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The would-be murderers are shaking in their boots

The would-be murderers are shaking in their boots

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From The Daily News editorial cheering the draconian gun control law passed in NY State with no public discussion, no public debate, no normal waiting period, no time for Senators to read it, no likelihood of actually reducing crime, but great likelihood of making criminals of otherwise law abiding citizens who run afoul of its unusual provisions and who are not David Gregory:

No longer would would-be murderers be legally permitted to buy obscene amounts  of ammunition, enabling them to squeeze the trigger again, and again, and again,  in quick succession.

Oooh, the would-be murderers are shaking in their boots.  They’ll either completely disregard the law and buy illegal weapons from the same people who sell all the other illegal stuff — because they are, after all, “would-be murderers” — or they’ll bring two guns with them, or multiple magazines.

As to the “obscene amounts of ammunition,” they’ll buy a little at a time and stock up.  Never thought of that, did you Daily News.  You need to start thinking like a would-be murderer.

All the honest, law-abiding citizens, well they’ll wait longer to get a permit or will just give up trying.

The law-abiding citizens will be effectively disarmed.  The would-be murderers are laughing all the way to the nearest gun-free zone.


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If only they would pass a law outlawing crime…

It seems appropriate to quote Forrest Gump’s Mama at this time. “Stupid is as Stupid does!”

    Observer in reply to arnonerik. | January 16, 2013 at 7:16 am

    Speaking of stupid, I love the rationale for why they had to pass the legislation in a big hurry, without any time for public debate: they wanted to avoid a gun rush in NY gun stores.

    LOL. Yes, New Yorkers who wanted to purchase guns before this law went into effect now have no way to buy guns . . . unless they drive down to Virginia, Tennessee, Texas, or one of dozens of other states that lack such idiotic gun laws.

      picaro in reply to Observer. | January 16, 2013 at 6:55 pm

      The problem with “out of state” purchases is that most dealers will not sell to nonresidents. The Feds already require that firearms sales comply with the laws of the buyer’s state. The only way a NY resident can acquire a NY-banned gun or accessory is to arrange for someone to buy it for them and store it out of state. That is also a gray area, as the ATF may call it a straw purchase (like they facilitated in the Gunwalker scheme).

      Phillep Harding in reply to Observer. | January 17, 2013 at 6:38 pm

      Private handgun sellers are getting cautious about selling to people who might be from out of state.

theduchessofkitty | January 15, 2013 at 7:50 pm

As I said before, this is the PERFECT opportunity!

… for my Governor, Rick Perry.

Gun owners must consider a massive exodus of people and jobs away from NY and into all Red States. Not to mention, aren’t there a few gun manufacturers still in Upstate? Governor Perry should give them plenty of incentives to move their operations to this state – which would mean, lots of new jobs for TX, lots of new people here – and the incomes that follow. Gun owners who now feel unwanted in NY can find a refuge here.

Lots more money in the coffers of the Lone Star State, less for NY coffers. How’s that for a great idea?

Let’s see how New York draws blood out of turnips. Let’s see how NY can survive from the income of underwater basket-weaving manufacturers…

All of this rush to enact “gun control” edicts is just that, a knee jerk reaction without forethought.

Chicago where some of the toughest gun laws exist is also the location where the top gun murder rate exists. This is an assessment off the top of my head but if true renders the rush as totally inappropriate and senseless.

This is liberalism gone totally amok…

    betty in reply to GrumpyOne. | January 16, 2013 at 1:42 am

    “a knee jerk reaction without forethought.”

    I don’t agree. This is just another step in a well thought out plan to take advantage of any opportunity to disarm us.

If things continue as they are going, someday, maybe sooner than one would expect:

1. The ruling class may get quite a surprise from its armed Praetorian Guards.

2. The ruling class may get quite a surprise from its spiffy detention-without-a-warrant legislation. The upscale Alinskyites who want to seize power by any means ignore that revolutionary regimes often start devouring their own as soon as they’ve seized power.

DDsModernLife | January 15, 2013 at 7:54 pm

Last time I checked, murder was illegal. The Daily News is really putting the “moron” back in oxymoron, aren’t they? Do these people even listen to themselves? “Felony murder is no problem but worrying about that misdemeanor gun infraction is really keeping me awake at night!”

And when, despite the logic of gun-free zones, the murder rate climbs, they will say “we have to do more!”

All in all, though, given their politics and what may be coming, disarming Blue state residents seems like a good idea.

    Erasmus in reply to caseym54. | January 15, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    Hold up, caseym54. Most of the bluebottoms are in major metro areas like Manhattan and Albany and Rochester, although a strong contingent have admittedly (and sadly) infested most New York college towns. Get not too far out of the City Derangement Zones and you find some pretty sensible people in New York.

Yep, those legislators sure pulled the wool over the would-be murder’s eyes. I bet they are scrambling now.

I’m surprised that they editorial didn’t mention that Mayor Bloomie stopped would-be slurpers. You know, the people who would be risking their lives chugging down large soft drinks.

Obviously this isn’t about effectiveness. It’s about self serving politicos pandering before the cameras of vacuous lefty media to hand feed their empty headed viewers.

BannedbytheGuardian | January 15, 2013 at 8:08 pm

Bad Governance is bad governance no matter the target or the subject.

Legislators should pass an exam on the proposed legislation befor they could vote. Those who vote present ought be shots itch a specially registered & approved non assault rifle.

Henry Hawkins | January 15, 2013 at 8:09 pm

A couple busloads of Girl Scouts armed with slingshots could now take New York state by force.

What is wrong with this sentence?

would would-be…again, and again, and again

What is The Looney Tunes stutter, Alex?

When things like this happen without due process or a challenge, then “they” truly can do whatever they want. Obama’s turn tomorrow. This is exactly the point of the 2nd Amendment. This is tyranny.

    Which is worse: a tyrant acting like a tyrant, or the people we elected to protect our freedom being cowardly, and deserting us during battle?

    The GOP ‘leadership:’
    -Squeaker John Boehner, jackass extraordinaire
    -Eric Cantor, Majority Leader
    -Kevin McCarthy, Majority Whip
    -Cathy Rodgers, GOP Conference CHairman
    -James Lankford, GOP Policy Chairman
    -Reebus Preebus: GOP Chairman

The cartels and terrorists await their next shipment of Arms.

If I am a would-be killer, I really only need one round.

It is the person who is using a gun for DEFENSIVE purposes who needs multiple rounds.

    The criminals always have the advantage, which is why rational individuals increase the risk and opportunity cost for deviants to commit their crimes. The politicians, on the other hand, increase the risk to law-abiding citizens, which reinforces their election to exchange liberty for submission with benefits.

No longer would would-be murderers be legally permitted to…

Good Lord…the stupid is strong with this one.

    n.n in reply to K. | January 15, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Only law-abiding citizens are presumed to be guilty of violating the law. The criminals… Well, they by definition do not care what the laws proscribes. The law serves principally to regulate law-abiding members of society. It is rendered less effective when it is known that murderers will enjoy rehabilitation after the act.

    There is only one solution. Incarcerate law-abiding citizens in order to protect them from the criminals.

      Crawford in reply to n.n. | January 15, 2013 at 10:37 pm

      To the left, the law-abiding are suspect and deserve correction, while those convicted of crimes are victims who must be sheltered.

How many of the murders by gun are suicides?

How many of the murders by gun are committed by agents of the government?

How many of the murders by gun are committed by criminals before the fact?

How many of the murders by gun were armed by our federal government?

How many law-defying people (e.g. illegal aliens) enter this nation annually?

How many murders are committed with scalpels and vacuums?

Henry Hawkins | January 15, 2013 at 8:38 pm

I work with people ordered into substance abuse treatment by the court system. Many of them are petty crooks – burglars, shoplifters, light-fingered opportunists. When I ask drug addict burglars what they are most hoping to find when burglarizing a home or business, the first two items mentioned are cash and guns. They steal the ammunition too.

Draconian gun laws will simply drive the U.S. to an illegal parallel economy that the Greeks call paraoikonomia.” Victor Davis Hanson aptly describes the Greek attitude toward government controls with this vignette.

A full 1/3 of the economic transactions occurring at the birthplace of civilization are black market. Things are so bad in Greece that there is a set of bribery fees established to be paid to government workers – just to get permits issued or pensions filed. Three hundred euros is the going rate for a bribe to pass an automobile emission inspection. The cost to jump to the top of a waiting list for an operation in a state hospital – about 2,500 euros.

Our economy will change similarly. Ammunition will be sold in quantities in excess of those prescribed by law, large ammo magazines will be available as will so-called “assault” rifles. The law-abiding gun aficionados will be driven to the underground. Tax collections will fall and we will become Greece.

Lessee. After lots of hearings, deliberation and debate, Arizona passes a law making illegal immigration, um, illegal and the Federal courts knock it down. New York. after closed room deals amongst a cabal, and not a hearing or even a reading, passes a law straining the credible limits of “reasonable regulation” of a fundamental constitutional right (a printed one yet) and *crickets* ?

Were is the NRA on this? Shouldn’t be hard finding someone with standing to sue in federal court.

NY’s new gun law isn’t about guns, it’s about cheap grandstanding, the kind where someone else’s misfortune provides a topic and platform for a know-nothing con-artist who produces an elixir to solve a different problem that doesn’t exist anyway. New York state is the federal government writ small, a cheap, con-artist pol leading a corrupt debating society who, collectively, have the ability to enact meaningless legislation to rounds of their own applause.

In Cumo’s mind the only pale in the country you can buy magazines is NY. Because murder’s can’t possibly bypass this restriction by driving a little bit to a neighboring state. I think there is a fundamental problem in setting up laws that treat everyone as though they are madmen just because there are crazy people. Laws should be aimed at rationale people, acting as rationale people. Trying to legislate based on insanity is setting up your state to be a giant insane asylum.

Ohforpetessake this is just unspeakably stupid.

Assault weapons like the Bushmaster AR-15 used to mow down first-graders: banned for sale. And all weapons of this type already in circulation would smartly be tracked in a statewide registry.

So because someone would buy a few thousand rounds at one time it makes them suspicious?
I know people that go through a few thousand rounds a month. Why would they want to go to the store twice a day to get ammo?
The vast majority of people who buy bulk ammo are doing it to save money and time, not to go and commit some mass murder.

Another prime example of either ignorance or just plain evil intent of these political actors.

I’m personally going with “evil intent.”

A government that fears an armed citizenry must be doing something to earn that fear, such as infringing on the freedoms and Rights of its citizens.

A government that fears an armed citizenry should be replaced.

I wonder who will be the first to challenge this sweeping law in court. Maybe the NRA, because this can’t be legal.

I just read through the entire statute. It sure look like a whole lot of infringement to me.

BannedbytheGuardian | January 15, 2013 at 10:05 pm

it is a shame Britain has restricted guns.

Currently there is a war brewing between Feminists & Tranny Johnnie ComeLatelys.

I could enjoy an all out gunfight .As it is. It will be fought by boring Hate Laws.

Where did anyone actually get the idea that most journalists are smart? When you were in college did you meet many really smart English major or Journalism majors?

If math were easier there would be far fewer English and Journalism majors.

Never let a crisis go to waste. These @!#%tards are really beginning to make me angry. Not enough to become a “Would be you know what” but enough to tell those pudknockers where to stick it.

If there ever was a case for civil disobedience, I think this issue makes me a true believer in that mode of dissent.

SoCA Conservative Mom | January 15, 2013 at 11:02 pm

Hmm, I wonder if they bothered to ask anyone in the UK or Australia about what happens after guns are banned. Spike in gun crime in NY in 3… 2… 1…

    BannedbytheGuardian in reply to SoCA Conservative Mom. | January 16, 2013 at 1:26 am

    I have the answers for Australia.

    Death by firearms 2010 .

    Suicide 170

    Homicide 30

    Open finding 31.

    This for a population of 22.5 million. There has been a steady increase in guns since the 1996 buy back/ amnesty but it is proportional to the increase in population.

    It is estimated there is a firearm in every eighth household . It is accepted for rural areas & les so for city.

    It is a completely different society with only indigenous ‘ blacks ‘ who are not at all like Afro –

    All policemen are arm unlike Britain.

Arguing facts…
When will everybody get past THIS fact: fascists don’t care about facts. They let the non fascists deal with facts, to keep them distracted.


Mssrs. Speer, Himmler and Goering: were you men aware of the fact that most Jews were in fact very patriotic Germans?

Albert Speer: Who cared? I wanted to be the official architect of Germany.

Heinrich Himmler: Who cared? I wanted to be the second most powerful man in Germany.

Herman Goering: Who cared? I wanted to eat and vacation like Michelle Obama.

Mr. Sharpton, your reaction? —

Al Sharpton: I’m wit Goering!

All of this is just the usual liberal reaction….
Fire, Ready, Aim.

Did the New York state legislature just make it a crime to merely OWN a firearm?

See page 22 of the posted bill, s2230:

§ 41-a. The penal law is amended by adding a new section 265.01-b to 5 read as follows:

6 § 265.01-b Criminal possession of a firearm.

7 A person is guilty of criminal possession of a firearm when he or she:
(1) possesses any firearm or; (2) lawfully possesses a firearm prior to
9 the effective date of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen
10 which added this section subject to the registration requirements of
11 subdivision sixteen-a of section 400.00 of this chapter and knowingly
12 fails to register such firearm pursuant to such subdivision.
13 Criminal possession of a firearm is a class E felony.

Do we have any lawyers here?

“We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them.

One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt.

Now that’s the system, Mr. Rearden, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

– Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” – 1957

Just to clarify for your liberal readers, if you have any. “Obscene amounts of ammunition” are for target practice. If you want to murder someone you only need a few rounds.

I am a little late to this thread, but could someone point to a factual summary (or provide one) of the key points of the new NY law. I saw some tidbits on the news, and this does not seem like a huge leap from NY’s already restrictive gun laws. e.g. Magazine can only hold 7 rounds down from 10?

If you want to protect your home, you can still easily buy a shotgun or rifle? right? you can still get a handgun (after getting thru the red tape)

So what is the real bad thing going on her compared to old NY law?

Mister Natural | January 16, 2013 at 11:42 am

we need a kellogg-briand pact for criminals

gee, can’t you just drive to Pa. or NJ and buy as much ammo as your little heart desires ?

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