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House “fiscal cliff” updates

House “fiscal cliff” updates

No one can type as fast as Twitter, so I’m embedding my Twitter “fiscal cliff” feed below.

The big news this afternoon is that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor apparently is opposing the Senate bill in its current form. Senate Democrats are saying they will not take up any amdended bills sent back by the House.

We’ll see how things develop, and I’ll post an update if there’s anything definitive.

Update 7:35 p.m. — various reports are that there will be a vote in the House on the Senate bill as is sometime tonight as Republicans were not able to get 218 Republican votes for an amendment with spending cuts.

Update 8:15 p.m. — there will be a vote tonight, probably around 9 p.m. 11 p.m. Eastern.  I’ll start a new post once the voting starts.

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Are you kidding me? The House menfolk can’t even tie their shoes. Wearing loafers is a dead on sign on that point.

And, not to be ‘sexist’. Ladies of the House, those high heels on those shoes, go to the back of the foot.

Question: The original Bill (the Bush Tax Cuts) expired Tuesday at 12:01am. The Senate Bill Amending the original Bill was not passed until 3:45am (or there about). So can an expired Bill, that by the Constitution Revenue Bills must be initiated in the House, be Amended by the Senate after expiration and thus bypass the Constitution.

Anyone???

    snopercod in reply to aposematic. | January 1, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    The bill the Senate voted on in the wee hours of this morning was H.R.8 which, in it’s original form, originated in the House:

    Latest Title: American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012
    Sponsor: Rep Camp, Dave [MI-4] (introduced 7/24/2012) Cosponsors (28)
    Related Bills: H.RES.747, H.R.6169, S.3401, S.3413, S.3417
    Latest Major Action: 1/1/2013 Passed/agreed to in Senate. Status: Passed Senate, under the order of 1/1/2013, having achieved 60 votes in the affirmative, with an amendment and an amendment to the Title by Yea-Nay Vote. 89 – 8. Record Vote Number: 251.

    That version of the bill passed the House on August 1st. Then Harry Reid got his hands on it, amended it early this morning by totally replacing the entire text of the House bill, then passed it this morning. After Reid got done with H.R. 8, only the bill number remained in its original form. Early this morning, Reid introduced and the Senate passed S.AMDT.3448 “In the nature of a substitute”. Not a single Senator on either side of the isle actually read the new text.

    Totally replacing the text of a House-passed bill (as Reid also did with Obamacare) makes a travesty of Article I, Section 7 which specifies that “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives”.

It’s always been my impression that Members of the House were elected to legislate … not negotiate.

Regular order, if you please, Mr. Speaker.

Freddie Sykes | January 1, 2013 at 5:18 pm

House needs to stress that any tax bill it passes will be retroactive to 1/1.

Obama is going to play the same cards at each and every upcoming crisis. The House will either rollover or have to say no somewhere down the line. Given that each House member only needs to please the voters in their district, I say they should go Zen: pass the bills they believe in and let the chips fall where they may. It is not as if the current course is sustainable.

CBO scores the Senate bill…

4 trillion in NEW debt over 10 years.

Yep, no spending cuts, higher taxes, less economic growth… yep, that’s really solve our fiscal insolvency!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-01/cbo-estimates-obama-tax-cuts-add-4-trillion-deficit-over-next-decade

If the stories are true and the House repubs tie spending cuts to this so called stop-gap bill from the Senate, then I will at least respect them for having the spine to try and at least move towards a path of some level of fiscal sanity.

the crappy Obot MSM are too stupid to even have a damn clue to know how deep in fiscal doo-doo we are as a nation!

First, laws should be passed through regular order, rather than Soviet-style backroom discussions and near-unanimous approval by rubber-stamp legislatures. The lawmaking gyrations of the last few weeks have been unseemly and an international embarrassment unworthy of Earth’s sole superpower.

Second, the House is not the Senate’s handmaiden. The House of Representatives is under no obligation to swallow whole whatever the Senate tries to cram down its throat. And vice-versa.

Third, the measure approved this morning stinks.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/336691/house-should-overhaul-disastrous-senate-deal-deroy-murdock

Read the whole thing.

Just say no! How bad does a bill have to be to get to no?

BannedbytheGuardian | January 1, 2013 at 6:16 pm

Caligula had the right idea .

His appointed congress critter always voted NAAAAY.l

Give me something to believe in…

Gonna blame us anyway?

(Hoist the flag)…AOSHQ banner.

Amazed, I am, that seemingly few have noticed that half of this “fiscal cliff” Bill contains much of the 2009 …one time only “porkulus” spending…

EMERGENCIES..

I want to see tax cuts out for the Entertainment Industry…if Obama thinks we need tax revenue so badly, let’s start with his buddies who always claim “they should pay more taxes” yet never stroke the check.

Then on to other camps.

I say Let It Burn. Quit hiding the pain…let’s get everyone (well, those of us who actually work) feeling that pain…and then maybe we’ll see some action.

I’m tired of paying for the “Free Lunch” that others are getting. Maybe I should just f’n quit and get my free lunch too.
/rant off

Someone remind me again why we have a republican party? I mean if their role is to rubberstamp the agenda of Reid and Obama, they can do it as democrats.

I look forward to the meeting of DeMint and Palin, after Boehner folds.

From Newt Gingrich✔@newtgingrich

“My simple message to house republicans is “dont cave”! You can amend the bill and the Senate will have to face reality that you exist.”

As I suspected he would do from the word go…

…Boehner would rather pass the Senate Bill with democrats, than do the right thing.

Cheers, you asshole.

The House GOP should take this opportunity for some “radically extreme” tax reform. Tie the debt ceiling to a 15% across the board cut in spending as well as a 15% flat tax.

Via Twitchy-

Eric Cantor opposes Senate’s fiscal cliff bill; Liberals reply: ‘F**k you!’

http://twitchy.com/2013/01/01/eric-cantor-opposes-senates-fiscal-cliff-bill-liberals-reply-fk-you/

To Witchy, John Boehner says “here, here!”

The GOP has the spine of Gumby.

I can’t wait until Reid sends over a new Assault Weapons Ban and Beohner rushes it to the floor, chanting Yes Sir, What else can I do for you sir?

I’m beginning to understand why some people just refuse to vote.

    rangered in reply to Sanddog. | January 2, 2013 at 5:11 am

    For all those Gun owners who had pinned their last hopes on the Republican majority in the House, this should send shivers down their spine as they rush to their hardware store for new shovels and a GPS unit, pvc pipe and glue. Not only will Congress have bankrupted future generations for as far into the future as I can imagine, but they are going to turn the majority of citizens into criminals.

    Granted it was 40 years ago, but I remember being taught in Civics class about Americans who stood up to tyranny and took unpopular stands. We were told that there would always be such men in our free land. Doesn’t really seem that long ago, wonder what happened?.

Thomas Paine once wrote an essay, on a pamphlet, printed by a hand press, distributed by hand on street corners, under penalty of public hanging by the neck until dead.

Today, we have anonymous writers, stenographers, repeating what others have written, in the safety of their ipads….

…The worst fear…is violating their terms of service.

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