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How do you make peace with a sick society?

How do you make peace with a sick society?

“one is entitled to wonder whether there is a majority of Palestinians who would ever agree to any form of compromise with Israel”

Read the whole thing, at the link.  Khaled Abu Toameh, An Arab View …  (h/t Jeffrey Goldberg):

There is nothing more nauseating than watching people celebrate as rockets are being fired toward Israel from the Gaza Strip.

This is what happened last week when Hamas fired rockets at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

As soon as the sirens went off, many Palestinians took to the streets and rooftops, especially in Jerusalem’s Arab neighborhoods, to cheer Hamas. Sometimes they responded to the Hamas rockets by launching fireworks into the air as a sign of joy, and chanting, “We are all Hamas!” and, “O Jews, the army of Mohammed is coming after you!”

Scenes of jubilation over the rocket attacks on Israel were also reported in several Palestinian cities in the West Bank, including Ramallah, the center of Palestinian “pragmatism and moderation.”

Later, upon learning that Hamas’s rockets had failed to kill Israelis in the two cities, the Palestinians voiced disappointment.

Never mind that the rockets could have fallen on their heads. As far as these Palestinians are concerned, there is no problem if a number of Arabs are killed on the way to destroying Israel.

The celebrations reflect the strong hostility that many Palestinians continue to feel toward Israel despite 20 years of a peace process, and billions of dollars of Western aid. This hostility is the direct result of years of anti-Israel and anti-Western incitement in the Arab and Islamic world.

The hostility is directed not only toward Israel, but also its friends — above all, the United States.

Similar outbursts of joy had erupted in many parts of the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem immediately after Palestinians heard of the 9/11 terror attacks in the US….

No one is expecting the Palestinians to express solidarity or sympathy with Israel in its confrontation with Hamas.

But when many Palestinians express their joy in public over the firing of rockets and missiles at Israeli cities, one is entitled to wonder whether there is a majority of Palestinians who would ever agree to any form of compromise with Israel.

In today’s world of the Palestinians, anyone who talks about peace with Israel is a traitor and a collaborator; but anyone who calls for the destruction of Israel and fires rockets at Tel Aviv and Jerusalem is a hero.


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When I read the headline I believed it was a lead-in to an article about American society.

    legacyrepublican in reply to Rick. | November 22, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Sadly, I think you have more than hit the nail on the head.

    The hatred in this country for conservatives and their values is quickly getting to a point where, as one person I respect puts it, that their acting out on us will be considered “acts of justice.”

    One only need think of the ad to know it coming out of the closet more and moore.

      LukeHandCool in reply to legacyrepublican. | November 22, 2012 at 12:21 pm


      I’m not calling for a full-on Hugh Beaumont scene …

      … just for American adults to act a bit more like Ward and June Cleaver. Just a tiny bit.

      LukeHandCool (who, while living in Japan, gave free English lessons to a nice, older lady living in the same building who’d always been very kind to Luke’s mother-in-law. Her English was quite good, so Luke used episodes of “Leave it to Beaver,” which his mother had taped and sent him for the purpose of increasing her fluency in a fun way, devoid of the usual textbooks. The lady fell in love with the Cleaver family instantly … perhaps a bit too much … for as, when Eddie Haskell finally made an appearance, Luke paused the videotape to introduce Eddie. Luke told her Eddie was a phony … always sickeningly polite to parents, such as Ward and June, but in reality a brat, who liked to pick on Beaver. Her face immediately showed disbelief, which quickly became angry scorn that someone could possibly mistreat her beloved Beaver. Luke thought about reminding her that these were all just actors playing parts in a TV series)

    paddy in reply to Rick. | November 22, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Yep….me too.

    Does that make us the doctor, the patient, or the shocked family desperately praying out in the corridor…..?

Various media, including Israeli, are saying the ceasefire is “holding.” A friend of mine in Israel emails that only 20 odd rockets fell in Israel last night….”holding” evidently means merely that Israel has not yet responded to continued rocket attack. See, the ceasefire is solely dependent upon Israel being “peacefully” shot at without shooting back.

I never-ever forget the description of the Palestinian ‘Mindset’ by Dr.Fouad Ajami, in a Dennis Prager interview a few years back: “Belligerent Self-Pity.”

Or, was it ‘The Arab Mindset’? Either works, but it is beyond perfect for the Palis. Try PEACE with that,’Yo!

An interesting perspective on the Israeli decision to let Hamas off the hook:

Crushing Hamas in a ground invasion would commit Israel to occupying Gaza again–taking troops and wealth away from the fight with Iran and Hezbollah. Maybe this was enough to reduce the intensity of attacks. Egypt’s involvement could be a good thing if Morsi can be threatened enough to control the terrorists.

You can’t make peace with a sick society. Palestinian children are raised to hate Jews. Nothing will change until that changes.

I am sick and tired of the perspective shown to us by the leftie media. Pierre Rehov’s video makes me more sure than ever whose side they are really on.

Just going to the obvious “politics” The Obama Administration seems to have gotten what it wanted.
All we heard from Obama at the beginning of this was a restatment of the obvious. Any nation has the right to defend itself. No big statement in that particularly. Egypt was able to talk with Hamas because they are able to and certainly saw an opportunity to inject itself into the negotiations. The days and rockets rolled by. Then we learned negotiations were making some progress. The price of oil went up thru all of this which is predictable. Once again the oil countries there win.
Then Hillary arrives on the 18th green to sink the putt of the week. Media obviously sees this as a victory for Hillary. In other words one ceasefire = a mess in Libya with 4 dead Americans.
Assuming the ceasefire works?
Public perception: Israel loses stature. Egypt becomes a key player. The US comes in to share adult roles with Egypt in an argument between two children. Hamas enjoys the same warped gains it seeks by playing the victim.

I see it as a sly/subliminal distancing by the US so far as Israel is concerned. The US will step in at the end after the lesser folks have the negotions done.

Here is an Israeli Blog that gets it right in my opinion. Note the comments about what part Obama may have played in the arm twisting for a ceasefire. I know both of the principal commenters on that topic and trust their judgment.

Palestinian is to humanity as flea is to insect.

Why cede the name “Palestinian”, Wm? They are Arabs who have no history in Israel, Gaza, Judea and Samaria.

Waiting for these Arabs to behave like people, to get past their hate is a luxury Jews cannot afford. The basis of the Arabs’ hate and desire to slaughter Jews is koranic. To have a true peace would require the destruction of the koran and a reordering of the Arab mind. You could say well, Egypt once made peace with Israel. Not really. Egypt got back land they lost in a fight and then did not really do what they had to, though there were instances of cooperation. Egypt safely did nothing that would cause conflict with the rest of the Arabs. Just enough to get back Sinai.

When your “holy” book tells you to kill Jews, peace is really unlikely.

They are still seething that the combined might of Islamic states failed to, once again, unseat Jews from the Middle East.

No. This time. They are there to stay.

“Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.” – Golda Meir

Hating on the people the world calls Palestinian does not solve their problem. Yes, there are sick sick jihadists who will never accept the terms of Israel being allowed to exist. However, many of those people are also victims. Walid Shoebat’s family had Jordanian passports until 1967 when Arafat invented Palestinian, against the will of many of the people. They did not choose to be refugees, it was thrusted upon them by Arafat and PLO.
Israeli Avi Lipkin (pen name Victor Mordecai) has spoken and written publicly about the Palestinians who just want to live and rear their families but have the bootheel on their neck. Those people have no freedom, they are pawns to get refugee money from the west by corruptocrats in charge. Avi said he hired a bunch of Palestinians for construction and their government said if you work for that Jew, we will kill all of you. They replied “Go ahead” because they have no hope. Israel provides the electricity, groceries, water, sanitation for them and many of them just want to live, you know. Just offering a balance hopefully, they are not all jihadists.

    Juba Doobai! in reply to beloved2. | November 23, 2012 at 1:59 am

    If they are victims, their own fellow Arabs made them so. Then they, in obedience to their koran made themselves so. They don’t have to teach their children to hate and kill Jews, but they do. They don’t have to hand out sweets when their children slaughter Jews, but they do. They don’t have to call the murderers of Jews “martyrs”, but they do.

    The Arabs are no one’s pawn. They are not pieces to be moved on a board. Instead, they are free agents acting out of koran-inspired hatred and possessing the ability to change, but they will not. The ones who live good lives inside Israel make common cause with the rabble outside of Israel. Who is forcing them? No one but their own filthy minds and their koran-inspired hatred of Jews.

    Silence betokens consent, is the legal maxim. If the Arabs desire something else besides jihad (required by the koran), then let them speak up, demand peace, and be willing to pay the price in blood for peace. Instead, they pay the price in blood for jihad and blame the Jews for every Jew killed.