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Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooting (Open)

Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooting (Open)

There was a shooting at a Sikh Temple in Wisconsin this afternoon.  According to reports, seven people are dead,including the gunman, who was killed by police.

At this time not a lot more details are known.  Please feel free to keep us updated in the comments.

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Here are two local media sources:

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

NBC Channel 4

Anon Y. Mous | August 5, 2012 at 5:22 pm

Someone should start a pool on which media outfit will be the first to blame the Tea Party.

Ya know…

The U.N. Gun Control Treaty is not doing so hot.

First the Colorado shooting.

Now this.

Coincidence? I don’t believe it. Sorry.

    CalMark in reply to CalMark. | August 5, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    “…is being treated as a domestic terrorist incident, Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said.”

    Gee. We don’t even know anything about it, and yet our enlightened, oh-so-morally-superior government is automatically treating it as terrorism. And this for a group of non-Western people practicing a non-Western religion. I can only imagine what would happen if a Muslim opened up on a military base, screaming, “Allahu Akhbar!”

    Oh, wait. Never mind.

      Cassandra Lite in reply to CalMark. | August 5, 2012 at 6:39 pm

      “Law enforcement officials are treating the case as an act of domestic terrorism, police said, and the FBI is leading the investigation.”

      Translation: We’re comfortable labeling it terrorism so early in the investigation, unlike when shooters shout “Allahu akbar”, because in this case it’s a white dude. We believe he was a member of a right-wing hate group, maybe the Tea Party, that confused Sikhs for Muslims.

http://www.newstalk1130.com/main.html has streaming live covering of the event too.

theduchessofkitty | August 5, 2012 at 6:06 pm

This is so sad. 🙁

The story ran at the top of the news hour in Detroit area and was described as a hate crime, called people ignorant of the Sikh faith since 911 and CAIR issued a statement of Muslims standing with their Sikh brothers.

I doubt you’ll hear the Sikh squawking about gun control since they won the right for their children to carry small religious Sikh daggers in public schools.

Daggers ok, just don’t get caught wearing a Rosary or be pegged as a gang member

    Squires in reply to OcTEApi. | August 5, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    “Muslims standing with their Sikh brothers.”

    Uh, no. I’ve heard the kind of blood-libel commonly directed towards Sikhs by their “brothers”.

    Though groups like CAIR are always looking for dupes.

      CalMark in reply to Squires. | August 5, 2012 at 7:13 pm

      More like a political edge. Piggybacking on the backs of people whom members of your religion slaughter in droves in the “old country,” just to score dishonest political points.

      CAIR is truly contemptible.

    Jay Jones in reply to OcTEApi. | August 5, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    So their assertion was that we weren’t ignorant of the Sikh faith prior to 2001. But we are now? Or that 9/11 should have somehow caused us to learn more about the Sikhs, even though they’re unrelated to the attacks? (other than as victims)

    Or am I looking for logic where there is none?

This is certainly a tragedy for all – and I do expect the media and liberal politicians to use this tragic event, on the heels of the CO shooting, to garner support for “strong gun control”.

Yet everyday, innocent American citizens are victims of rape, assault, identity theft, theft, drunken driving, and murder at the hands of countless illegal, criminal aliens. Illegal, criminal aliens that have no right being in this country.

So I ask those on the other side of the spectrum …. where is your outrage on that issue?

CNN interviewed a witness who described him as a white male wearing a tank top with an obvious “9/11 tattoo”.

The perp seems some terribly ignorant white man who was passionate enough to get a 9/1l tattoo, but not smart enough to learn what a “Sikh” is.

Two shooting massacres in as many weeks.

*drum beat*

The Sikh ethos is one of equality of all people.

They have a string of martyrs killed by Islamic rulers dating back several centuries, including some who died to defend the Hindu majority.

They have been a fierce warrior class, as well, throughout modern history.

    Squires in reply to Ragspierre. | August 5, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    The string continues to this day:
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sikh-beheaded-by-taliban-wanted-to-bring-mother-to-golden-temple/583145/0

    Similar abductions and executions have taken place for refusing to pay the jizya, also.

    My initial guess was this shooting was either a lone act of jihad (organized Islamists would know that to target a minority group like Sikhs on our soil would be bad for their political/propaganda narratives), or some other crazy idiot who didn’t know the difference between Sikhs and Muslims.

    When the press came out stating that it had been labeled an act of “domestic terrorism” I had my answer. Had the killer been shouting “allahu akbar” we’d have been told not to rush to judgement, that details were hazy, that this had nothing to do with the Religion of Peace.

    It’s a shame we won’t be hanging the punk in a public square.

Right now there’s as much of a discernible connection between “Temple of Doom” being on yesterday as any political ideology being the driving factor for the shooting.

But regarding the attacks on Bachmann: Are those that associate her with the shooting unaware of Sikhs and Muslims not being the same thing? Or are they assuming the shooter was ignorant of that? The latter strikes me as odd as this doesn’t seem random and the most basic amount of research would have shown the clear distinction.

    CalMark in reply to Jay Jones. | August 5, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    You are right. Let’s follow the leftist logic train:

    1. Bachmann is a racist hater because she questions the radical Muslim ties of an Obama appointee.

    2. Sikhs are not Muslims.

    3. All white people like Bachmann — like the guy who shot up the temple — are ignorant, hateful racists. They’re too stupid to understand the difference between “Sikh” and “Muslim.”

    Therefore, Bachmann is responsible.

    Makes sense to them, I guess.

    That said, I have a very bad feeling about this, if the guy turns out to be some kind of fringe-kook, rogue pseudo-conservative.

The Sikh temple massacre is being called an act of domestic terrorism. Is the Aurora massacre being called one too? The only thing I can find is Rev. Jesse Jackson calling Holmes’ act as such, but I don’t consider him an authoritative source.

LukeHandCool | August 5, 2012 at 7:22 pm

Idealogues on the left have to refrain from trying to use the murder of seven people as a political football.

Cool heads must prevail so as not to prejudice the integrity of the law enforcement and judicial systems.

Please lefties, resist the itchy temptation … if only so you don’t once again end up with egg on your faces.

Henry Hawkins | August 5, 2012 at 7:28 pm

That local police quickly labeled this domestic terrorism and called in the FBI suggests they have ample evidence already that it’s domestic terrorism, perhaps testimony from survivors about what the shooter was saying before and as he shot up the place, or by what they found on his person. That he is white means nothing right now. You can be full blown crazy, but if you shout the right things while shooting – domestic terrorism.

Of COURSE the lib media will be spinning this right out of the gate. We know this like we know babies shit their diapers. My goal is not to do the same. I’m going to wait for more information.

    CalMark in reply to Henry Hawkins. | August 5, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Several facts frighten me about what I expect to be politicization of this tragedy:

    1. Instant FBI involvement, which means Obama & Co. are running this show;
    2. Immediate information blackout (highly unusual), with first briefing tomorrow. It’s as though they have something they want to keep “pure” for the right presentation spin.
    3. The few “leaks” talk about “white” and “9/11 tattoo.”

    Call me paranoid. But I think they have information that, if played correctly, (they believe) could prove very damaging for conservatives, Obama’s opponents, and gun rights.

like zimmerman and lougher incedents, we ALL need to wait and not speculate.
not saying people here are, but on tons of other sites they are.
and speculation gets quoted in other places.

Yet another link in the growing chain of these occurances. How likely are we to find rationale for causation in the political \ cause arena? What respect for the dead do we exhibit when we shoehorn that factor into primary consideration in our quest for understanding? Do we not then place our agenda over those dead?

    raven in reply to secondwind. | August 5, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Good questions, but sadly long ago answered by the imperatives of Leftist ideology. The hundreds of thousands killed for the “agenda” in the 20th century answered it on a wholesale basis; the modern media’s diseased rush for blame in recent times has on a retail basis.

Nice shooting, Milwaukee PD.

From the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Police have cordoned off the 3700 block of E. Holmes Ave., just south of downtown Cudahy. A large contingent of law enforcement and fire department vehicles are in the vicinity. The neighborhood was being evacuated.

Ted Slater, a neighbor, said the property police were searching was the second floor of a two-story duplex. It’s a two-story white duplex with red trim. Slater said police had been searching the other level and that police were seen on the upper-level balcony behind the building.

A military-style Humvee with FBI markings on the side of it moved up the street shortly After 6 p.m. with its lights flashing, moving along the west end of the block.. There is a lot of activity including officers in military gear.

Alma Reyes lives on the corner, three houses from the property in question. She was unable to get to her home with her two young daughters. She said the duplex had been vacant until recently.

In July of 2009 there was a spectacular 3-day fire at Patrick Cudahy Meat Company. $326 Million in damages – started by two brothers in the 3600 block of East Holmes who shot a military flare that accidentally landed on the roof of the company.

I mourn the dead but hope they are in a higher life. My thoughts are with those close to them. I wish full recoveries for the survivors and the traumatized.

kbob_in_katy | August 5, 2012 at 8:17 pm

We must wait for the facts. So far, all we have are results. Like an algebra problem, there are many variables that can lead us to the result. Let us hope that sane people with cool heads are allowed to take charge and see what made this happen.

May God, in his infinte mercy, take the innocent victims into his charge. And may the perpetrator, no matter his motive, background or condition, burn in the hottest part of hell for what he has done.

Subotai Bahadur | August 5, 2012 at 9:40 pm

1. It is the norm in this country for the Federal government to issue a statement that “There are no known ties to terrorism” literally the moment that the first news bulletins break. This will be repeated loudly as soon as there is the first indication that there is a Muslim involved. Too many examples to doubt it.

2. The immediate statement that it was domestic terrorism is a marker that they have a non-Muslim perpetrator or patsy. Think Marinus Van der Lubbe as a possibility.

3. I’m pretty sure if that is the case, that the TEA Party will be blamed. The US Army is already using them as their notational enemy in their written contingency plans when preparing for domestic activity:

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/08/bringing-war-back-home-full-spectrum.html

4. The fact that the Sikhs are freedom loving, capitalist, and closer to being Americans in outlook than any other people from the Indian subcontinent would make targeting them even more desirable for a provocation.

Subotai Bahadur

BannedbytheGuardian | August 5, 2012 at 10:02 pm

I had a Sikh neighbour who hailed from The Punjab. One day I asked him what is what like to be a Sikh during the Golden temple Wars.-his father was an officer in the Indian Army.

He said they knew very little of it as they did not have television.

Even after the assassination of Indira Ghandi Sikhs were not blood libeled.

Interesting if mass communications would make for a different outcome today in India.

    After Indira’s assassination thousands of Sikhs were massacred by her political machine’s goons.

    I don’t know whether that resulted in any blood libel coming about amongst that particular part of the Hindu population, but I’ve generally gotten the impression that it’s not the case in the wider population. I’ve seen Hindus mentioning more then once how their parents taught them how the Sikhs had protected Hindus from forced conversion and mass slaughter at the hands of the Religion of Peace.

    As I noted in another comment above, I have heard ugly and thoroughly ignorant blood-libel against Sikhs come from the Muslim side of things. What can I say? Narcissists, and narcissistic ideologies, absolutely hate people who dare defend themselves, and must twist the truth to make their would-be victims the wrongdoers.

    Hence the inventing of garbage like: “Sikhs only cut their hair after they’ve killed a Muslim.”

      BannedbytheGuardian in reply to Squires. | August 6, 2012 at 12:44 am

      I am reporting this from my neighbour’s perspective. He saw no bad effects eg his father did not lose his job.

      Might be stuff happened elsewhere but not that he saw/experienced.

      Nice vegetarian food though.

        The pogrom occurred mostly in and around Delhi, IIRC, spurred on by leaders in Indira’s party (including, I believe her son). If he was in Punjab he would have been far from it.

        The irony is that she was the one who helped put the unstable separatist who seized the Golden Temple into power in the first place. She thought he was someone she could use as part of her own political machine.

Oh Jeebus…here we go!! This nutball had 9/11 tattooed on his arm, multiple other tats, a shaved head, and reportedly a former member of the US Army…therefore he is a white supremacist (Even though, from what sketchy info I’m reading so far he wasn’t affiliated with ANYBODY)!!! Case closed. Sorry MSM, crazy is crazy, no matter your background. But as long as it fits the narrative, you’ll run with it.

TrooperJohnSmith | August 5, 2012 at 11:51 pm

Perspective: Every weekend, the shootings in Chicago add up to a massacre, often of Aurora proportions. Every weekend. Chicago. Proud home of the nation’s toughest gun laws!

Every weekend.

Stew on that, anti-gun hammerheads! 👿

“More guns, less crime.” – John Lott, PhD.

So he supposedly was an Army vet: That makes the 9/11 tattoo, the multiple other tattoos and the shaved head the norm. Or at least close to the norm.

Of course, this brings up more questions then it answers (# of deployments, location, did he do any tribal engagement, did he have any TBI or diagnosed PTSD?). Hopefully, that info will come out.

What I can’t help being afraid of is that, no matter what facts come out from this point on, some people in Homeland Security have already had some dangerous biases confirmed.

    Jay Jones in reply to Jay Jones. | August 6, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Via CBS: “Page enlisted in the Army in April 1992 and was given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He was last stationed in Fort Bragg, N.C., serving in the psychological operations unit.”

    One thing to wait and see if the reporting on the less-than-honorable changes to dishonorable. The latter precludes gun possession.

    Get ready for plenty of reporting on psy-ops to include shots of military gates, fences and buildings. All with ominous music and voice-overs.

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