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Fact checkers self-destructing over Ryan speech

Fact checkers self-destructing over Ryan speech

If you have been following the internets, you can see an anaphylactic reaction among supposed “fact checkers” over Paul Ryan’s brilliantly effective speech last night.

The section about the closing of a GM plant in Janesville during the Obama administration has been a particular area of attention (emphasis mine):

President Barack Obama, came to office during an economic crisis, as he has  reminded us a time or two.  Those are very tough days.  And any  fair measure of his record has to take that into account.

My own state  voted for President Obama.  When he talked about change, many people  liked the sound of it.

Especially in Janesville where we were about to lose a  major factory.  A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that G.M. plant.  Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said, “I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be  here for another 100 years.”    

That’s what he said in 2008.   Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year.  It  is locked up and empty to this day.  And that’s how it is in so many  towns where the recovery that was promised is no where in sight.

This set MSNBC’s talking heads on fire:

Here’s how Howard Fineman, “Editorial Director, Huffington Post Media Group. Analyst, NBC/MSNBC,” reacted to the speech:

And the nutroots, sometimes masquerading as fact checkers, has followed right along with that theme:

But what Ryan said was true.  The Janesville plant was closed in 2009 after Obama took over, and as part of the takeover of GM by the government.

That’s when the decision was taken to shutter the Janesville plant for good, as GM itself announced on June 26, 2009 (emphasis added):

General Motors selected its assembly plant in Orion Township, Mich. and stamping facility in Pontiac, Mich., to build its future small car, which will add to the automaker’s growing portfolio of U.S.-built, highly fuel-efficient cars, including the Chevrolet Cruze and Volt. Today’s announcement will restore approximately 1,400 jobs in total — 1,200 at Orion Assembly and 200 at Pontiac Metal Center, Building # 14….

“This is great news for our members at UAW Local 5960, Oakland County, and the State of Michigan, and shows the world the UAW can compete in the most competitive segment of the automotive industry,” said Cal Rapson, UAW Vice President and Director, UAW-GM Department. “My heart also goes out to our UAW members in Janesville, Wisc., and Spring Hill, Tenn.

There’s plenty more about how Ryan was correct.  Check out John Hayward’s post at Human Events about Janesville, (added) Jim Geraghty’s post and Conn Carroll’s timeline about Janesville, and John Nolte’s post about the absurd “fact checking” accusations flying from the mainstream media.

Yet another victim of liberal media bias, the liberal media itself.  They are every bit as much in the tank for Obama as in 2008.

Update:  It’s sad to see Glenn Kessler, the WaPo fact checker, throw his brand overboard, Ryan misleads on GM plant closing in hometown.

Ed Morrissey has more, Fact-checking the factcheckers on Ryan’s speech.


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Ryan spoke the truth.

IF people like Fineman is the LEAST concerned about outing lies, he has a rich, unmolested field awaiting him if he just looks into anything Biden or Pres. Composite have said.

He could labor in that field the rest of his life.

Midwest Rhino | August 30, 2012 at 11:13 am

The media was in the tank in 2008, but now their head is being held under, since Obama has a real record.

The leftist Oabamedia “blitzkrieg” of 2008 won’t work. They have to defend territory against superior factual forces. All the left can do is spam US with Obamaloney. 🙂

    Soccerdad in reply to Midwest Rhino. | August 30, 2012 at 11:40 am

    I agree with Midwest Rhino, the media has to work even harder because it isn’t just about promoting Obama, it’s about obscuring his record.
    But there’s another reason they’re so invested in this race. They know that if Obama loses it will be the final blow to their role as gatekeepers. They did their best in 2004, but they could make Obama all nice and shiny 4 years later.
    The proliferation of websites, of course means that there’s a lot more information out there now. Citizens United means that corporations won’t sit on the sidelines while unions and other “public interest groups” define the terms of the debate.
    I believe that if Obama loses it will be a huge financial loss for much of the media which counted on being the main arbiters of proper political debate for a lot longer. They have to fight extra hard to avoid losing that battle.

    Cassandra Lite in reply to Midwest Rhino. | August 30, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Agree. The same people who keep telling us Obama didn’t mean what he said when he said “You didn’t build that” are now combing through Ryan’s text with a Talmudic comb, looking for loopholes that they can recontextualize as “lies”.

      Soccerdad in reply to Cassandra Lite. | August 30, 2012 at 2:07 pm

      Another example of this is that the WaPo has had a number of editorials demanding that Romney give the details of his tax plans because the number don’t add up. But wait a second. Did any of Obama’s promises about the economy come true? Is unemployment below 8%? Is it possible for ObamaCare to be solvent? The WaPo trusted the president even if the math of his promises couldn’t hold up. But they want a guarantee from Romney.

The thing is to put the Ryan smears out hard and fast. That’s what sticks. It isn’t about facts, it’s about pushing the narrative. Corrections can come after everyone has moved on…or not at all.

Romney/Ryan need an A-list team of first-responders to the media, say Palin, Gingrich and Giuliani. They could not only respond to these false charges and phony “fact checks” (thereby eating away at the media’s larger image as they exposed their great fraud of objectivity) but go on the offensive and fact-check THEM, attack THEIR veracity. If we had a team of high-profile political figures challenging the media at every turn, every day, over ALL their lies, we could play our own distraction game, harassing their flanks while Romney and Ryan campaigned. The media would come truly unglued.

Clearly, facts are racist!

I made a walking penis costume this morning, and it was really easy to do. Just put on the same tie Chris Matthews is wearing.
—Steven Green

See? This is how you do it, Breitbart style.

DINORightMarie | August 30, 2012 at 11:28 am

More debunking here, via The Right Scoop:

I agree 110% about having an A-list of debunkers on any and all airwaves, plus op-eds wherever they can get printed.

This is THEIR LYING, and Ryan is telling the truth. Expose them!

Don’t you just love it when a guy like Scott Walker has his facts like ducks in a row? The talkin’ haids were truly ablaze and close to the self destruct zone.

This is by far the best qualified team to ever run for president in my lifetime and if the dumbed down public is too stupid to realize that, shame on them!

I see an ever brightening glimmer of hope for positive results on Eviction Day…

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Fact-checking need for our self-destructive side:

“this would seem to still be a winnable seat, correct?

So what’s it going to be? Do we really need to win, or is it only acceptable if we win with the right kinds of candidates — a position that, from my perspective, seems ascendant, particularly in light of the convention rules power grab, and John Boehner’s surreal refusal to acknowledge the minority report and the dissenting delegates who were literally jumping up and down in front of him.

Seems to me some of the most quickly OUTRAGED of the Akin critics may have had a different agenda than the rest of us. Either that, or there are a whole lot of useful idiots out there or our side.

Oh, and just to forestall the inevitable response that I’m some sort of Akin apologist, let me say it again: For me, this was never about Akin. It was about the swarming, thoughtless, PC groupthink that helped damage one of our Senate candidates far worse than he needed be damaged by some inelegant phrasing in a local interview. It’s about a willingness to declare a controversial assertion made in the context of an exchange dealing with very complicated ethical and moral issues with their roots in the question of when exactly life begins,”unacceptable,” rather than wrong on the science — particularly when that declaration of finality comes from people who are displeased at being called climate deniers. It’s about the kneejerk effort to shun and shame and disavow — to adopt anti-intellectualism as a show of intellectual sophistication.

This was, and for me always has been, about how a fear of mockery by serial relativists and anti-foundationalists posing as our moral and intellectual betters, even as they’ve adopted a worldview that necessarily ends in some sort of totalitarianism, has come to control the public reactions, and the public stances, of many on the right — almost always to the detriment of classical liberalism and the Enlightenment’s epistemological paradigm. Which are the bulwarks against “progressivism” and the tyranny it demands.

Our willingness to publicly scapegoat those who press uncomfortable issues, be it Derbyshire in a pointed rebuttal essay that touched on racial unpleasantries, Bill Bennett in a discussion on Freakanomics, or Akin, grasping for a way to navigate the political minefield that requires devoted pro-life politicians to justify themselves with respect to gotcha questions about babies conceived through rape, shows that we have surrendered much of the rhetorical playing field to the left, which is able to dictate what comes to constitute the legitimate — ahem — topics for public discussion. Or at the very least, compel us to speak of such things in such strained generalities that we can’t muster a clear or forceful argument.

Most disturbingly, at least to me, is that this capitulation is so ingrained, particularly on certain controversial subjects, that the left rarely has to push the issue these days. And that’s because those on our side don’t just have a tendency to self-censor, but now they will attack those on our side who don’t — just to get out ahead of the accusations and mockery they believe will be forthcoming, offered by those they know to be acting in bad faith, in order to save themselves some temporary political discomfort.

For a group of people who are always claiming an need to reclaim the country, they seem content to do so on the left’s terms and under the left’s rules. That to me represents a Pyrrhic victory. Unless, that is, politics has become just another team sport — and what matters are wins and not principles.

– Which might not be so bad, pragmatically-speaking, if we used one of those wins to push those principles, rather than consistently hiding them and tempering them in order to appeal to the “moderates and independents” who we insist will otherwise reject us. And we can’t win re-election if they reject us.”

At that point I was ready to put up a post calling BS but I noticed the memo contained a contact number so I did what a reporter who wants a question answered is supposed to do I called.

Not only did I get the company but I got Mr. Weaver himself, he agreed to talk to me.

I asked him about the poll and the internals. He told me the split was as follows:

Republicans 34%
Democrats 33%
Independents 33%

Talk about a balanced poll. I’ve never seen a poll so exactly split. and this split is consistent with the actual partisan split in Missouri. I asked why the internals were not included he said the internals were given both to the client and to Politico (which had this story but didn’t put them out in their piece.)

Mr. Weaver answered all my questions and agreed to be on this week’s DaTechGuy on DaRadio on Saturday.

If this poll is accurate it confirms what I said on the 24th.

For all of the grief you have gotten none of the underlying issues that were a problem for McCaskill are still there. The economy, Obamacare, unemployment the lot.

There are a lot of people on the right who might be embarrassed by an Akin victory. Apparently to the voters of Missouri they would be much more embarrassed by a McCaskill win.

    NC Mountain Girl in reply to syn. | August 30, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    An advocacy group paid a pollster and then got the result they wanted. Who exactly is the useful idiot here? Before I accept those numbers I want a lot more than the partisan breakout. I want to see the exact wording of every question in the order asked. Leading or false choice questions are often used to assure a predetermined result. I also want to know the backgrounds of those who did the calling. Vocal inflection can significantly effect results among low interest voters. A good pollster knows how to use all the tools out there to produce the result a client wants.

    As for swarming PC groupthink doing in a viable candidate I have yet to see it happen in 40 years of closely following politics. While everyone makes mistakes the good candidates always find a way to bounce back. It’s the the lazy, stupid show boaters who flounder, most often because they simply don’t know when to shut up.

    Owego in reply to syn. | August 30, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    A (very, for here) long read but, regarding the topic’s “dishonesty” thread, this, regarding establishment conservatives, caught my attention: “For a group of people who are always claiming an need to reclaim the country, they seem content to do so on the left’s terms and under the left’s rules.” Exactly correct.

    Part of any change must come at point of attack if you will: when one of the anointed talking heads asks a loaded question, a question based upon a false assumption, or an inaccurate fact, they should be called on it EVERY time before any discussion starts. Newt is best at this, hands down and folks believe that Paul Ryan will complete the job of exposing Joe Biden for the light weight dope he is, even if he needs first to straighten out an “impartial” moderator who has asked a loaded question containing an inaccuracy.

    Other champions who don’t suffer fools asking bad questions are Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson. We’re getting better at this, but there’s a long way to go.

    SmokeVanThorn in reply to syn. | August 30, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Jeff Goldstein has been brilliant on Akin.

    One of the best parts of the posts on this subject at proteinwisdom is when a commenter tries to refute Jeff’s characterizations of her, but in doing so demonstrate the behavior he denounces and she denies.

    Just like happened here.

Have they ever called Obama on one of his very many lies?

The long answer is NO.

Media beside themselves. Perhaps they sense the trip to Oz is over and were in Kansas again. What else explains their group struggle to keep the Wizard’s curtain in place?
Difficult to admit they were wrong about Obama so they find themselves trapped in the very box they created.

Never seen in the same room simultaneously, the truth and Democrats.

Fortunately more and more are waking up to this realization.

The real money quote from that GM press release you cite, Professor:

“Two other GM assembly plants in Spring Hill, Tenn. and Janesville, Wis. were also under consideration to build the future small car. … Janesville was placed on standby capacity in May 2009 and will remain in that status. ”

In other words, not only wasn’t it put on standby before 2009, but until late June 2009 there was a chance (however slight) it would be retooled for a different vehicle line.

So Howard Fineman speaks, and the next morning all the progressive thinkers, bloggers and site leaders are signing from the same page in the hymnal.

Boy howdy, it’s almost as if there’s some sort of behind-the-scenes coordination. Wonder if Ezra Klein has Son-of-Journolist up and running?

I listened to Rep. Ryan’s speech live, and I had no trouble following along. Ryan did not accuse Obama of closing the plant, he pointed out that Obama’s policies did not save the plant.

Pablo, above is right: it’s not the facts that matter, it’s the narrative. The famous old parable about how the lie is half-way around the world before the truth gets its trousers on is operative here. Fineman and the progressive talkers know it.

Even more than that, they’re desperate. They HAVE to get something out quickly to soothe their own people. Letting Ryan’s clear statements go unchallenged would depress the progressive folks even more. So (in their eyes) a dishonest response is better than no response at all.

Get used to it and be ready (ala Breitbart) to counter it. The progressive talkers will be dishonest because it’s all they have left, and they have to do something.

Henry Hawkins | August 30, 2012 at 12:06 pm

Add ‘fact checker’ to the long list of words and phrases rendered meaningless by the left’s dishonest abuse of them.

MaggotAtBroadAndWall | August 30, 2012 at 12:09 pm

Even though the GM plant did factually close in mid 2009 under Obama’s presidency, that is not the point Ryan was making, and the “fact checkers” know it.

Obama said if “our government” — meaning the American government, not necessarily his administion — were to intervene, then the plant should be able to operate for another 100 years. The government did intervene and the plant closed. Obama was wrong. He needs to be held accountable.

Obama made the idiotic, absurd claim that he could forsee the plant’s destiny 100 years into the future. But somehow Ryan is the liar for pointing out Obama’s moronic assertions.

Face it. Ryan is being “Palinized”. They intend to destroy him, just as they did Palin, to ruin his viability for 2016 and 2020.

We’ll see if the RINOs like Steve Schmidt, David Frum, and Nicole Wallace help destroy Ryan like they did Palin.

    NC Mountain Girl in reply to MaggotAtBroadAndWall. | August 30, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Ryan is not being “Palinized” It is significant the media is saying Ryan lied, not that he is stupid. Ryan was already a national political figure so the media can’t argue that he is stupid or ill prepared and expect it to stick. It did with Palin because very few voters knew who she was before McCain picked her and then some of McCain’s people set her up to fail before she could figure out on her own how the big time media works.

    “Obama made the idiotic, absurd claim that he could forsee the plant’s destiny 100 years into the future. ”

    Beyond that, there was a clear implication in Obama’s words that if elected HE would provide the government help to keep the plant open.

I see Ryan was talking about “saving” Medicare for future generations again. Can anyone tell me if Ryan’s Medicare plan allows one to opt-out of what would become the Medicare Voucher program?

If there is an opt-out, great. If not, it’s still the government confiscating your money from your paycheck and forcing you to spend it a certain way.

“Saving” Medicare and SS for the people who have already been forced to pay into it their entire working lives is fine, but I do NOT want to saddle future generations with forced participation social programs.

    JayDick in reply to angela. | August 30, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    The choices Ryan’s latest Medicare plan provides are:

    1. Medicare as we now know it.
    2. One of the premium support plans.

    I don’t think “none of the above” is an option, at least for the part A hospitalization insurance.

    I’m not sure how Romney’s plan is different.

      creeper in reply to JayDick. | August 30, 2012 at 6:26 pm

      I believe Ryan’s plan would preserve Medicare as we know it for anyone currently over 65 but provide vouchers for younger people to invest in their own retirement accounts. At least that’s the way I understood it from one of Romney’s speeches.

      Don’t know about any “opt-out” but I suspect not.

I remember when Howard Fineman was touted by liberals and some conservatives as professional and fair journalist. Now we can see what he has always been – a liberal, Democrat party promoting hack. I used to be a hard core liberal and I fell for their anti-Republican meta-slander fully. It was the very atmosphere of the political news coverage: Republicans: greedy, evil, liars. Now that it’s been unmasked, it becomes clear to see, but they have no shame, just more lies and vitriol.

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Sharpton is a loudmouthed prick. Walker put him in his place [not tp be interpreted as a racist comment].
Loudmouthed “Mr. Ed” the talking jackass, wants Walker to give him a guarantee. What about Obama’s “guarantee” that the shovel ready jobs are waitng for the stimulus money?
I am sick and tired of these loudmouths twisting every Republicans words and calling them liars.

“Today’s announcement will restore approximately 1,400 jobs in total — 1,200 at Orion Assembly…”

will restore?
The UAW contract provides that laid off union workers and transfers from other states get first shot at those jobs.

That’s not new job creation, that’s FUBU (for us by you) keeping my union pals fat and happy with your loot.

GM to idle, retool Detroit Hamtramck plant
2 days ago
Line retooling paid for by Obama first year 100% tax expensing initiative…
Oh yeah it’s FREE!

Yep, taxpayers are paying for 100% of the cost of the new line at the Hamtramck plant and it was announced that the jobs would only be filled by referrals from current union workers .. the general public need not apply.

I live in the heart of the auto manufacturing sector and my county received a whopping $500 million in Obama StimuLess.
You’d think we’d be whistling Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah out of our assholes by now…
…there are MANY Obambots here who lost good paying jobs, who are now slaving a fricken temp-job in some small shop who still claim they’d be out of work without their benevolent Dear Leader.

This euphemism for old-fashioned editorializing by spinning the facts, now known as “Fact Checking” has got to stop.

Talk about an abuse in truth in advertising! Please, it’s just a liberal interpreting things through the lens of his liberal worldview, and giving his opinion on what’s true and what isn’t.

It’s opinion dressed up as fact checking.

If the subject were mathematics … okay, we could call it fact checking. But it isn’t mathematics … it’s open to interpretation and an interplay of many competing “facts.”

Someone needs to start, individually or as a consortium of conservative bloggers, a “Fact Checking the Fact Checkers” column for widespread dissemination, perhaps through the WSJ and the Washington Examiner, etc.

    VetHusbandFather in reply to LukeHandCool. | August 30, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    I totally agree. Many a time have I read a “fact check” article and wished I could post a rebuttal. A blog could be dedicated to just that alone.

Update at Hot Air:

Update III: BuzzFeed’s Andrew Kaczynski finds this promise from Barack Obama in June 2008, after the notice went out that the plant would shut down over the next several months, emphasis mine:

“Reports that the GM plant I visited in Janesville may shut down sooner than expected are a painful reminder of the tough economic times facing working families across this country. This news is also a reminder that Washington needs to finally live up to its promise to help our automakers compete in our global economy. As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.” Source: /

Sounds like a promise — and it certainly did to the people of Janesville. Will the “fact” checkers fact-check themselves now?

Top of the hour news on KFI 640 AM, Los Angeles during a Rush break had this same stuff spewing. I usually can put up with their news flash, but this was a new low (IMO.)

Oh, and also a chevy volt commercial… talk about the media helping Obama!!!

This is an hilarious argument.

No lefty yet has disputed Ryans central assertion that the economy still stinks, after four years and hundreds of billions of “stimulus”. All they dispute are the examples he cites. This is like arguing with the doctor who tells you that you caught a flu, since you have a high temperature and chills, but you respond by saying “my temperature isn’t really, really high it’s only moderately high”.

Hey, guess what lefties? The economy is sick and the Emocrats have failed to fix it with all their crony capitalism, their union layoffs and their industrial nationalizations. Don’t like the Janesville example? Ok, fine: pick your own examples. But, meanwhike, it goes unchallenged that Obama is a miserable failure.

    MTF in reply to MTF. | August 30, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    I meant union “payoffs”. iPad spell correct is an adventure. The “Emocrat” should have been “Democrat” and that was my own fat-thumbed error. Sorry.

      liesel409 in reply to MTF. | August 30, 2012 at 7:06 pm

      I liked “Emocrat” and found it accurately descriptive. Emo-crat. Yup, that’s them. All emotion, no facts. ☺

SmokeVanThorn | August 30, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Kessler is the guy who gave four Pinocchios – i.e., labelled as a lie – the contention that Obama said, “If you’ve got a business – you didn’t build that.”

Seems like he’s building his “brand” – pure leftist bullshit.

from fox…

2. Deceiving

On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.

while I have limited exposure to this writer I have never seen anything good for conservatives from her.
don’t know much about her.

    from her own site

    Fox News asked me to write the liberal response to Paul Ryan’s GOP convention speech last night. So I did. I described it in three words: Dazzling, Deceiving and Distracting.

    Here’s a sample:

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Looking forward to MSNBC’s aggressive rapid-response fact-checking next week. On my way to buy extra popcorn now.

If this is the hill they’ve chosen as worth dying on, they’re gonna die. They looked and acted like the panicked, sycophantic total fools they are. Almost missing Olby.

And at least Fineman is overtly confessing he’s no longer a journalist (as if he ever was) and that HuffPo has no business calling him an Editor.

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NC Mountain Girl | August 30, 2012 at 1:55 pm

I wish I could find the article. Back in 2008 a writer from a family of newspaper people offered an explanation for what ails the media. He suggested that the smart people all left for other fields in the 90s when many of the big media companies offered senior people buyouts so they could diversity their newsrooms. The older editors and producers who stayed suspect they are screwed financially as they watch circulation and viewership drop. Their response to having made the wrong career choice has been to completely drop the pretense and become openly and viciously partisan. They are losing audience/readership anyway, so they might as well go out with the legacy of having done everything possible to push their agenda.

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So I guess the “Progressives” are too stupid to do basic research. All you have to do is to google Wisconsin 2009 WARN Notice and you can find this:
18-Feb-09 General Motors Corporation, Janesville Janesville Light Truck and Utility Vehicle Manufacturing 336112 Closing 113 23-Apr-09 NPR/Isuzu Truck line closed down
1000 General Motors Drive (new)
Janesville, WI 53546
contact: Tom Hogan, Personnel Director
336112 Closing 113 23-Apr-09 NPR/Isuzu Truck line closed down
Here is the URL:

Even FOX piled on.

They say the plant closed in 2008. Where is the truth?

    OcTEApi in reply to creeper. | August 30, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    They say?

    The opinion article at Fox is one Sally Kohn

    Sally Kohn: Another Step to the Left by Fox News

    GrumpyOne in reply to creeper. | August 31, 2012 at 5:57 am

    The plant was “idled” in December of 2008. Obama promised if elected that plant would still be here a “hundred years from now,” during his campaign.

    This plant is still “idled” and could be reopened should the need for it arise.

    Ryan was dead on with his statement.

The closer we get to the campaign itself, the more rabid the MSM is getting and the more they close ranks around their beloved Messiah, The Won, He Who Lowered the Seas, Our Bower In Chief. It was pretty obvious in 2008 who the MSM wanted to win then and now they’re in a panic because Obama has small clay feet with large verbal rocks being thrown his way.

How much more can Paul Krugman take before he once again calls for Obama to seize control and rule as he wishes? Krugman’s pain must be excruciating, perhaps it even hurts!

./Reality returns! 🙂