Elizabeth Warren has developed a story line to counter questions about her claims to Native American, minority, and woman of color status based upon family lore that has no documentary support. But only when you compare her recent response during a Patch.com livechat with her own campaign website, is it clear just how precise she has to be about her wording.
From Friday’s Patch.com livechat (note that it took her 5 minutes to post a response):
Patch: The first question came from a reader in Lynnfield. “Although there is a relatively small number of Mass. voters of Native American descent, do you feel you have addressed their concerns about your own statements involving your heritage?”
Elizabeth Warren: Growing up, my mother and grandparents often talked about our family’s Native American heritage. As a kid, I never asked them for documentation–what kid would?
But growing up, I knew that my parents had been very much in love, but that my father’s family said they couldn’t get married because my mother was part Cherokee and part Delaware. So they eloped. We grew up with this all our lives.
I never asked for–and never got–any benefit in school or in jobs. The people who hired me have said that they didn’t even know about it when they recruited me–and it played no role in my hiring.
So there it is.
Then, from Elizabeth Warren’s own campaign website, in a section entitled “Truth Team” [emphasis hers]:
When Elizabeth was growing up, her mother and grandparents often talked about her family’s Native American heritage. She never thought to ask her Mom or her grandparents for documentation – what kid would?
But Elizabeth knew, even as a child, that her parents had eloped because her father’s family didn’t approve of her mother’s background – part Cherokee, part Delaware. This was an important part of Elizabeth’s family story.
Elizabeth’s heritage had no role in her hiring – the people who recruited and hired Elizabeth for her teaching jobs have all said they were not even aware of her Native American heritage when she was recruited.
There’s a saying that people who tell the truth don’t need to remember which story to tell. Elizabeth Warren seems to need to remember which story to tell.
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Reportedly her siblings are mum on this issue – just not speaking out. You’d think if it was true, they’d publicly back up Lieawatha’s claims. It must be strange for Lieawatha to have her siblings remain completely quiet on this one.
Something that has always amused me…
This Haaavid don(na) goes into full “hep me, hep me…!!!” panic mode when a reporter asks her “heritage” questions after trying to stammer “hammered” by rote a few times, yet…
Sarah Palin (moron, doncha know?) can speak passionately and articulate sound policy and principles extemporaneously at the drop of a hat.
It seems a puzzlement.
not puzzling at all.
ones a real person the other is a cigar store totem pole.
You mean you want a candidate that is capable of thinking on their feet? Next you’ll tell me that debates aren’t competitions of who is better at reciting their campaign prepared talking points! I’m keeping my eye on you, and I have the thought police on speed dial.
For the first time in 20 years I’m looking forward to visiting my in-laws in western Massachusetts…Berkshire county should be a real circus…
Can Harvard explain how Warren’s lack of credentials qualified her? They of course have an interest in covering the fact that they had later listed Warren as Native American for their own diversity purposes, while requiring no documentation of that now revealed lie.
Warren’s careful proof that she got no benefit from her phony claim is that Harvard allegedly said it was not even known at the time. But what did they REALLY know, and when did they know it?
And why did Warren accept these minority hire accolades for so long, without bothering to try to document her own claims. What child would question her parents? But what adult would accept these accolades without questioning the record, and what real lawyer would put the label of “Cherokee” in print, without question?
Warren had credentials. She’d been a law professor prior to Haaaavid. Were they Haaaavid quality creds? Dunno, as I give very little thought or attention to law school inside baseball crap.
As with most “affirmative action”, it isn’t a matter of “go-no-go” in terms of being outright unqualified. It is a matter of degrees of discrimination based on some identity group, which is completely extraneous to any real concept of “diversity”.
And I’d defy anyone, anywhere to make the argument that Princess Running Bare has brought one iota of REAL diversity to the Haaaavid environment.
yeah, I don’t know if she was actually Harvard qualified, but several here have noted they didn’t think so. And certainly Harvard did advertise her Native American diversity, apparently without question.
But yeah, good point … even if Lieawatha was 1/4 Cherokee, she was full blood liberal, offering no new genetics to the Harvard cloning process. 🙂
Is Warren still a child? She used that childish belief right up through her law degree, and never thought to question? She still has not quite let go of the childish claim.
So Elizabeth, do you still believe in the tooth fairy? Santa Claus? The Easter Bunny? You still act like a child. Do we need another senator that has childish beliefs, like the wonders of a utopian socialist world, despite real world evidence of socialist/communist states collapsing and crushing individual freedoms. Do you believe in “Hope and Change” and other childish illusions?
We don’t need a senator that still thinks like a child.
“Is Warren still a child? She used that childish belief right up through her law degree, and never thought to question?”
The part that crawls all over me is that she has NEVER tried to contact these important people in her own family…her Indian family.
I know more about my in-laws than Warren does about her “own people”.
Exactly … I’m just trotting out a simple argument for Warren’s “I still think like a child” defense. She can either admit she remains childish, or admit (as you point out) that she really didn’t care about meeting other Native Americans or documenting her own position, only about using the title.
But I’m not a professional arguer, so you may be able to frame that more clearly. 🙂
Exactly … I’m just trotting out a simple argument for Warren’s “I still think like a child” defense. She can either admit she remains childish, or admit (as you point out) that she really didn’t care about meeting other Native Americans or documenting her own position, only about using the title.
But I’m not a professional arguer, so you may be able to frame that more clearly. 🙂
Hey, professional arguers use repetition. See! You’re good!
Rags, seems from what we’ve learned about how you argue… run around yellin’ Racist, You’re a Liar and a HoMo that you may be related to Warren.
I can buy that she never felt it necessary to investigate her family heritage. I know there are certain legends in my own family that I doubt have ever been investigated for documentation.
What I can’t buy is that this woman could EVER look at herself in the mirror and refer to herself as a “woman of color” and then seriously have herself listed in directories as a minority.
THAT’S the offensive part in my eyes.
“part Cherokee, part Delaware”
Where/when did the “part Delaware” come from ?
I wondered that too.
At first I thought she meant part Chicken
-part Delaware Chicken!
That’s Delaware Blue Hen
I wonder if she knows that the Cherokees fought for the South in the civil war? You know, to keep slavery legal.
1. I got a fundraising request from the Brown campaign. They try to hide it, but they sound worried.
The long and short of my reply will be that before Brown asks me for money, he’d better try to mend fences with the Tea Party. (Right now I’m trying to keep my language objective, but I’ll have a lot to say if Warren is elected.)
2. An election that’s too close to call is close enough to steal.
3. Warren’s grassroots opponents are doing a great job so far, but IMHO another—unmistakable—shoe has to drop for the odds to shift against her.
Elizabeth Warren’s other big problem is the fact that she is a carpetbagger who was selected by the National Democratic Party to be the next senator from Massachusetts. Here are some crazy fundraising numbers:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/elizabeth_warren_campaign_donations/?p1=News_links
The Boston Globe article notes that a majority of Elizabeth Warren’s itemized donations come from out of state. Does that happen much???
As a commenter to the Globe article wrote, “Yup, Liz wants to represent us in Massachusetts.
That’s why she’s collecting money in Los Angeles, New York, and Hollywood.
The people of this state took a look and closed their pocketbooks. What does that tell you?”
I call BULLSH!T on this. Prejudice against having Indian blood in Oklahoma? Two chances of that happening: slim and none. Slim is still losing weight, and none [sic] is in a convent.
Obviously, this BS is aimed at northeastern Progressocrats and not at your garden variety part-Indian Oklahoman.
Lizzy and I are cut from the same historically-poor, whitetrash, rural Oklahoma cloth, though mine has a helluva lot more Indian in it. I can see right through this fool.
“There’s a saying that people who tell the truth don’t need to remember which story to tell. Elizabeth Warren seems to need to remember which story to tell.”
I remember someone wiser than me stating, “A person who lies often often develops a need for it to become the truth,” (to them).
Do you think this has happened in this case or is it still gross denial?