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NOT BREAKING NEWS on Zimmerman being bloodied

NOT BREAKING NEWS on Zimmerman being bloodied

This is getting ridiculous.

The police report prepared the night of the Trayvon Martin shooting, long before it was expected that this case would get national attention, recited that the police observed Zimmerman with a bloody nose and rear head bleeding, and that Zimmerman was treated by paramedics.

I guess it’s possible police made this up, but that seems implausible given that it was a contemporaneous record before the police even knew if Zimmerman would be charged, much less that the case would become a political hot potato.

ABC News somehow obtained surveillance video from the police station to which Zimmerman was brought the night of the shooting, and proclaimed (along with other media outlets) that it was inconsistent with Zimmerman having been bloodied because there was no blood on him.

The Daily Caller did an enhanced video analysis and concluded the obvious, that the tape was not sufficiently clear to draw any conclusions, although there was some evidence of a rear head injury both from the video and the fact that a policeman examined the back of Zimmerman’s head.

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The reality is that the tape shows very little helping or hurting either side.

The police report says that Zimmerman was treated at the scene, so one would not expect him to still be bloody by the time he reached the police station (somewhere between 30-60 minutes later).  The video is from too far away and from an upper angle, and too grainy, for visual evidence to be conclusive of Zimmerman’s condition earlier in the night.

Next, CNN had an interview with an unidentified witness.  Listen to the interview, there is almost no detail in it.

The witness saw two men on the ground, it was dark and rainy so he couldn’t see much detail.  The big breaking news apparently was that he didn’t see blood on Zimmerman, but he admits he was some distance away, his view wasn’t clear, and he only saw Zimmerman from the side.  In other words, not much there there, but it is being blown up as some sort of important evidence.

Unless and until there is clear evidence to the contrary, such as paramedic records, I’ll trust the NOT BREAKING NEWS, the initial police report filled out that night which reported Zimmerman bloodied.


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There are two photos clearly showing the laceration on the back of Zimmerman’s head. Mr. Zimmerman was at the police station for at least 5 hours and probably received first aid at the scene. Head wounds bleed a lot and you know, the paramedics that treated Trayvon(CPR)would treat and stabilize any other wounded person before the police took them in to the police station.

jeannebodine | March 30, 2012 at 2:20 pm

Bbbbbut wait, wait! I just heard CBS News on the hour. And they said they spoke to the Funeral Director and he doesn’t remember Trayvon having any signs of injury on his hands. So I think that just about sums it all up for me. Oh, I know there was an autopsy but still, these videos & witnesses and long lost friends & acquaintances that are crawling out of the closets are much more believable. Because the MSM would never lie or distort the truth.

PS And I love the way NRO keeps saying we have to wait for the investigation to be completed by the professionals and yet they keep dropping all kinds of statements like “We know Zimmerman used excessive force”, etc. and the latest which includes 2nd hand anonymous memories from 10 years ago from someone that supposedly was hired to work with Zimmerman at “illegal” parties from that bastion of truthiness, the NY Daily News:

Was there EVER…in living memory…a more perfect example of a Collectivist “narrative” created by the Mushroom Media?

    Browndog in reply to Ragspierre. | March 30, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Clearly this story has gone waaaay beyond what happened that tragic night.

    Again, the leftist collective have highjacked it, and made the story about themselves.

      Browndog in reply to Browndog. | March 30, 2012 at 3:21 pm

      Case in point:

      (via Fox Nation)

      Black Panther Clashes Hard with CNN

      “He committed murder, he committed a hate crime,” Muhammad told Cooper, explaining, “we decided to take it upon ourselves and coalition with other groups, with other black people who have had enough.” Cooper tried to explain two key faults in their plan: that Zimmerman hadn’t been charged with anything, and “Trayvon’s parents don’t want you.” Neither seemed to matter. “We are military, we are here to support Trayvon’s family,” Muhammad argued, bizarrely, later adding they weren’t really doing this for Trayvon Martin– “they have killed millions of black men and women so not only are we calling for justice for Trayvon.”

        Ragspierre in reply to Browndog. | March 30, 2012 at 3:34 pm

        See, PETA never suffers from the problem of having its “victims” disown its advocacy.

        You really have to feel for the New Black Panthers. They are the Rodney Dangerfield of hate groups.

I watched the ABC Nightly News last night-

To see if they would cower from their initial “finding” that Zimmerman had no injuries to his head-in light of the Daily Caller’s enhancement of the still.

Instead, they lead the newscast with it. So what did they do?

They used the same still shot the Daily Caller used that clearly showed the injury to his head-


They pixelated(sp) the top of his head–said “This still shot clearly shows no obvious injury”…in a direct rebuke of the Daily Caller story.

If anyone DVR’d it, take a look.


But wait, there’s more AND if you order within..

Shelia says, he broke his own nose

    Ragspierre in reply to JP. | March 30, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Was that before or after Zimmerman (white Hispanic) “hunted Poor Trayvon(tm) down like a dog”…???

    This is CRITICAL to understanding the true depravity of this crime…er…conspiracy…

      After. George thinks “oh yeah, my wounds”.

      Curb, one leg straddles street, other on grass, scrapes back of head. Shows his athletic ability with free position move, ahhh, got my nose.

        JP in reply to JP. | March 30, 2012 at 5:33 pm

        DAMN! All that took place, immediately after neighbor #1 and 2: say, ‘George, George, uhh, could ya’ kinda’ cut that screaming down, it’s scary’

    Steve in reply to JP. | March 30, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Sigh… for a short moment I thought she would stay out of it. I really don’t know how the woman gets elected, even for a moon bat she’s incoherent and obviously self-serving.

    On the other hand Michael Berry should have some new bits today. Another day in Houston.

Further, the full video (not the edited one everyone is seeing, but the full 6 min. video) shows him walking down a hallway inside the police station.

You can clearly see that his nose is a lighter shade than the rest of his face–as in having a bandage on it.

Or, as someone on the blogosphere noted:

Either he has a bandage on, or someone stuck a Caucasian clown nose on him.

The Daily Caller did an enhanced video analysis and concluded the obvious, that the tape was not sufficiently clear to draw any conclusions

Just pull out that image enhancement software used so ofthen on CSI NY, etc. and have it just make up stuff.
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    Neo in reply to Neo. | March 30, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    This reminds me of the ancient art of “Cold War” crate-ology .. the art of determining out what is in shipping crates using satellite images.

broken noses don’t always gush blood, or bleed at all.

check out althouse for the details.

    Ragspierre in reply to drozz. | March 30, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Dude…no way, man. When you break your nose, you bleed out, man. Fersure, dude.

    (According to one poster I read on another site.)

Don’t paramedics keep records? I would assume they would carefully document injuries and treatments, if for nothing else liability reasons.

    Neo in reply to Anchovy. | March 30, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    They still do send bills

    Estragon in reply to Anchovy. | March 31, 2012 at 1:00 am

    They keep records, but violations of HIPPA privacy protections can bring large suits that are hard to defend.

    Not all broken noses end up needing to be set, often they are just fractures. In fact, it is entirely possible that after the EMTs treated him and stopped the bleeding, neither he nor they may have realized it was broken. One report even said the break was discovered when he went to his own doctor later.

The Martin’s lawyer was interviewed by Bill O’Rielly last night. He says this video in and of itself is grounds for arrest, and put it in the hands of a jury.

I found his legal arguments less than impressive.

But, I guess you don’t need an A list lawyer if you have an entire nation acting as the prosecutor.


Ann Althouse takes’s “blood splatter expert” Marsha Clark to the woodshed:

    Ragspierre in reply to Browndog. | March 30, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    If you are referring to Crump, the guy is just barely articulate. I was amazed the one time I heard him.

    Plus, what he said was ethically prohibited under Texas standards, and I figure Florida cannot be that different.

    davod in reply to Browndog. | March 30, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    This evening O’reilly used Trevon’s cherubic likeness for the photo.

I tweeted Matt Gutman (the slacker narrating the video) about how pathetic his lack of mentioning Zimmerman getting first aid was. Nothing. Someone else tweeted an article from the AP that had GZ’s lawyer saying he went to the hospital the next day. Gutman made up that the lawyer backed away from that statement though no such sentence existed in the article. Its pretty much slander.

Does reasonable doubt establish guilt or preserve innocence?

    Ragspierre in reply to n.n. | March 30, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Zimmerman is…at law…innocent. He has no burden to show anything.

    Florida law EXPRESSLY forbids arresting someone without probable cause and (if I recall rightly) a good faith belief they can be prosecuted successfully, which I thought was interesting.

      Actually, my question is directed to the progressive inclination to presume guilt. Not only has it been progressive, but it seems to have climaxed recently.

Heaven help us if they find out Zimmerman plays Lacrosse.

    Browndog in reply to Anchovy. | March 30, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    If they ever find out he ever used the word “slut”
    it will most certainly qualify him for the death penalty.

More twitter fun with Gutman. He has a convo going with Matt Boyle from The DC and he’s demanding to know why there was no bandage after Boyle informed him of the gash on his head. Comedy gold.

The black community is so SURE that this was a murder it’s not going to matter what any witnesses say. If a witness supports Zimmerman’s side they must be lying – if they are sure it was murder they are speaking FACTS. Since black men have been being killed for years – somebody gotta pay.

    Anchovy in reply to katiejane. | March 30, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    One would think that black folks would be especially sensitive to lynch mob rhetoric and lynch mob mentality.

      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Anchovy. | March 31, 2012 at 5:26 pm

      If that’s actually true and not just a put-on to further their victimhood in order to get a free ride and special privileges, why would they want to do that to whites, especially when none of them living today have ever seen or heard of a lynching in their lifetime or their parent’s lifetime?

      Is it not because of what their culture has taught them?

      Why do blacks use falsely-placed nooses to fake “hate” crimes against themselves?

      Are they really sensitive to lynchings, or are they merely using the notion of lynchings to advance their victimhood as a PRESENT-DAY condition and so-called ‘white guilt’ in order to continue the freebies and special privileges into the future?

      Or maybe you were being facetious? 🙂

    Ragspierre in reply to katiejane. | March 30, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Oh, it isn’t just a “black community” thing.

    It is a Collectivist thing.

    “The same folks who want to kill workers’ rights in the work place are the same folks who want to kill voters’ votes … and now they are literally supporting legislation that is literally killing our children.”
    –AFL-CIO Executive Vice President Arlene Holt Baker

    Yah. She literally said that.


    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to katiejane. | March 31, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    I think most of them kow they aren’t speaking facts. Most are actually revealing a wish they hold because they have been taught from the cradle that they are victims of whites, and whites owe them. They view this as an opportunity for vengeance, a payday, attention, and eventually an excuse to loot, beat, rape, rob and kill. It is a function of the larger part of black American culture to indoctrinate their ranks with the belief that whites are responsible for their problems, their criminal acts, their poverty, their lack of education, their promiscuity, the whole nine yards, all supposedly because of American slavery. It’s actually taught in schools now that whites are largely responsible for most of humankind’s ills. Have a look at a social studies text book used for elementary school education in the public school system.

    The truth is that there is not a country on the face of this planet run by blacks that is successful in any First World context. It’s all a big shakedown. Without the ingenuity, productivity and financial and political largesse of the other races, a large percentage of blacks would eventually disappear – certainly most of those not residing in traditional tribal environments in Africa. That should have become evident to everyone during and after Hurricane Katrina, if they didn’t already know it. That’s just the way it is, and I think most people know this, whether they will admit it or not. It certainly goes against the grain of all we’ve been taught for decades now.

I wonder if Zimmerman will be crossing party lines after he gets no-billed. I would be shredding any DEm doc in the house right now. Ingrates! All of them ! 🙂

The get Zimmerman crowd is accomplishing nothing. Nothing other than destroying their own credibility. Taking portions of the MSM with them too.

The longer they keep this up the more obviously they fall into one of two camps. The vultures looking to exploit the events for political gain, and the others just looking for a payout.

    Browndog in reply to EBL. | March 30, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    “They are using the corpse of Trayvon Martin as a human shield to conceal their ideological agenda and protect themselves against criticism.”


    BannedbytheGuardian in reply to EBL. | March 30, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    I have stopped going to Stacey because I don’t want to read about Santorum & am sick of Adjoran.

    But that Rashomon reference is very apt .

    It is even more bleak in Japanese.

President Obama had a chance to be “Presidential” in all of this. Instead he inflamed the issue.

Now, he could correct this mess by calling off the New Black Panthers, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Tell the public that this will all be handled by a Grand Jury.

But, I digress…never let a crisis go to waste.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Scorpio51. | March 31, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    The thing is, you make the point beautifully that they ARE letting a crisis go to waste, inasmuch as obathturd could have stepped up and put the nix on all this BS, thus actually looking presidential because of having ACTED presidential for once in his lying life. Instead, he proves himself to be a community organizer and nothing more, once again.

The reality is that the tape shows very little helping or hurting either side.

Actually, it does… Remember one of the first complaints by the grievance mongers was that Zimmerman was NEVER arrested. FALSE. The tape clearly shows Zimmerman brought into the police station in handcuffs.

The police don’t transport people in handcuffs to the station unless they are formally arrested! In order to be arrested you must be charged! This is basic law and procedure all over the country.

The police only handcuff people when 1) they arrest someone they charge. 2) hold someone at the scene of a crime for initial questioning and then release at the scene or 3) transport an arrested person from the scene of a crime to the police station, from a jail to county lockup, from lockup to courtroom/arraignment.

Zimmerman was initially arrested by the uniformed officers, brought to the station, handed over to detectives who then punted to the district attorney who declined to charge him for a lack of evidence.

The grievance mongers would like you and the rest of the Black community to forget that Zimmerman was arrested as it doesn’t fit the narrative.

    Ragspierre in reply to dscott. | March 30, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    I know this is counter-intuitive, but…

    whether someone in CUSTODY is under arrest is a close question of law.

    It is often hotly contested in criminal trials. Texas, for instance, does not recognize the idea of a “formal arrest” (or didn’t last I checked). The determination of an “arrest” is a fact-intensive question of law.

      dmacleo in reply to Ragspierre. | March 30, 2012 at 7:19 pm

      in military we (MP’s) could NOT arrest people (that takes arrest warrant powers) but we COULD (hell, often did) APPREHEND them.
      the arrest was secondary to the apprehension for us, driven by the official filing of charges.
      this was on foreign soils too but I THINK the same basic “setup” is used in many places.

Turns out the Sanford Police are indeed racist:

Police: Zimmerman’s back was wet

(no, I’m not going to tag this or anything else as sarc/
it’s really not that hard to figure out–unless you’re totally without any sense of humor)

I’ll say this, the race threats are being tossed around like candy today. anyone that dares question is getting slammed on conservative sites by tons of people I’ve never seen before.

All of this stuff is irrelevant to the basic question, though. The case presents as self-defense UNLESS Zimmerman threw the first punch or otherwise initiated physical contact. Granted, he’s the only witness, but if he says he didn’t and there is no evidence to contradict him, there simply is no case to be made.

What do they propose to do? Get that faker Jonathan Edwards to contact Trayvon in the Other Side to get his version?

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Estragon. | March 31, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    You know, your post and this site in general do an excellent job of presenting the simplicity, calmness and smooth consistency of ordinaty logic.

    In order to succeed, the left must rely on grand, complicated schemes and theories that defy logic and the standards of rationality they apply to solving their own real problems. It’s such a scam, it is so contrived and it really is the prescribed Alinsky method of manipulation – target, accuse, distort, lie, shout and berate the enemy, which is Truth, into submission, no matter it takes.

    There is such a great deal of difference in the noise level between the peace we find in truth and the anxiousness of lies.

The Left KNOWS that Obama has FAILED and are now desperate to incite ANY uprising they can grasp to try to generate an iota of motivation in their depressed minions.

The police report clearly indicates that Zimmerman was blodied and cleand up at the site of the shooting. News organizations that say otherwise lie in order to promote racial bias.

I agree it’s ridiculous. Unless and until someone can show why the two officers who arrived first — or the sargeant, lieutenant and others who arrived within minutes — not to mention the SFD paramedics who reportedly treated Zimmerman or the detectives who questioned him within an hour or so or the prosecutor who decided against charges wouid lie to protect Zimmerman from charges, I’m going to assume he had some wounds. It would have to be a pretty crowded conspiracy, and a pretty lame one too. If they wanted to pull a cover up, risking their jobs and jail, they surely could have done something more convincing (i can think of a dozen, starting with planting a knife on Martin or testifying that Zimmerman looked crazy with fear when they arrived).