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  • It’s not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say, Orlando Sentinel. Actually, the biometric expert says it’s only a 40% match to Zimmerman, which raises the question why it would be that much if it’s not him, and the other expert does a non-technical voice analysis.  But, if it’s true that it’s not Zimmerman, that raises serious questions.  (added)  The forensics on the bullet wound will be critical — and will tell whether it is consistent with Zimmerman firing while on his back on the ground or not, or firing from above down.  If it is Trayvon crying for help, and the bullet wound indicates it was fired from someone standing over him, this case changes completely.  That’s why it is so important to know much, much more before reaching conclusions.

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Actually, the biometric expert says it’s only a 40% match to Zimmerman, which raises the question why it would be that much if it’s not him, and the other expert does a non-technical voice analysis.

What does the astrology expert say?

    Ragspierre in reply to myiq2xu. | March 31, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    And the Ouija board forensicologist…

    Trucker20 in reply to myiq2xu. | March 31, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    Biometrics expert in the article says if it were Zimmerman’s voice, the match would be above 90%.

      Milhouse in reply to Trucker20. | April 1, 2012 at 12:45 am

      How likely do you think it could be that Martin’s voice would be a 40% match for Zimmerman’s? It doesn’t seem at all likely to me. Since it has to be one or the other of them, doesn’t one have to be a total idiot not to conclude that it’s Zimmerman?

        Trucker20 in reply to Milhouse. | April 1, 2012 at 1:41 am

        The guy who actually does voice forensics for a living says he’d expect it to be above 90% for a match. Go read the article…

        Sorry if I’ll take that over a commenter on a blog.

        Plus, listening to the screams for help….it just does not sound like it’s coming from a large man, which Zimmerman was.

        It does, however, sound like it could be coming from a 17-year-old skinny kid, which Martin was.

          It does, however, sound like it could be coming from a 17-year-old skinny kid, which Martin was.

          How can you tell by listening to the voice that a person is skinny?

          Trucker20 in reply to Trucker20. | April 1, 2012 at 2:31 am

          Let’s call it the difference between a big guy yelling and a teenager yelling.

          Just my impression. The voice yelling/screaming/whatever didn’t sound like it was coming from a big guy.

          I’m just curious why so many are willing to automatically believe the story of a guy whose life and freedom could be on the line.

          Scared witless himself, with a dead boy at his feet and a smoking gun in his hand, better men than Zimmerman could, would, and have made up all kinds of stories to save their asses.

          White supremacists helpfully hacked into Martin’s Facebook page (or so they claim), and it shows posts about college apptitude tests and an interest in aeronautics. He sounds like a kid about to leave high school and trying to go somewhere in life.

          Zimmerman, in contrast, has spent nine years attending a community college (high school with ashtrays, we used to call them), and has yet to even get the basic “I’m not an idiot” degree offered at junior colleges. After nine years.

          “I believe that’s Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt,” Primeau says, stressing that the tone of the voice is a giveaway. “That’s a young man screaming.”

          Above is the actual quote from the article. I don’t see “17-year old skinny kid” here nor do I think that a 6’3″ kid weighing about 200 lbs would be classified as “skinny.”

          How can Primeau believe that the screaming came from a young man? Face it, Trayvon was well past puberty. Pain could alter either men’s voice pitch. Before this voice analysis was made, why didn’t these folks have recordings of both men’s voices to compare to the sounds on the tape? Does anyone really believe that there is not a recording of Trayvon’s voice somewhere … most likely on the answer message on his cell phone!

          The quality of the voice recordings had to be very poor, since it was picked up from telephone receivers remote from the location of the fight – and we know how tinny telephone mics are.

          Squires in reply to Trucker20. | April 1, 2012 at 6:35 am

          Yes, it was a scream which, as the enlightened Toure’ pointed out, could not possibly have come from a large man like… a 6′ tall football player.

          Or, say, this guy:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugElv05NkNA

          How far do you think the media ever has to go far to find an expert who is willing to agree with the Party’s narrative:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXhxPtEC878

          myiq2xu in reply to Trucker20. | April 1, 2012 at 10:16 am

          Zimmerman is 5’9″ which is hardly a big guy. Gaining weight doesn’t affect your voice.

          Trayvon was 6’2″ so which one of them is bigger?

          Milhouse in reply to Trucker20. | April 1, 2012 at 2:21 pm

          Answer the question. What do you think the odds are that Martin’s voice could be a 40% match for Zimmerman’s? Note that this so-called “professional” BS artist doesn’t address that, because he can’t.

          And how on earth can you tell someone’s weight from his voice? What effect do you think weight has on the voice box? You’re just making things up now, and you damn well know it.

          Milhouse in reply to Trucker20. | April 1, 2012 at 2:22 pm

          I’m just curious why so many are willing to automatically believe the story of a guy whose life and freedom could be on the line.

          I’m curious why so many idiots like you are willing to automatically believe a story told by nobody, a hypothetical story invented by people who were not there and can’t possibly know, and are willing to indict someone for a crime on that basis.

    Estragon in reply to myiq2xu. | April 1, 2012 at 2:58 am

    The witnesses, including the 911 callers who were inside their homes as this took place in their back yards, all reported it was Zimmerman yelling. They described him and his assailant.

    The expert says only a 48% when he would expect 90+, but they don’t ask him about the difference between almost whispering on the phone and screaming for your life.

As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it’s not Zimmerman,” Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon’s, because he didn’t have a sample of the teen’s voice to compare.

Umm, what about Trayvon’s cell phone “voice”, sir?

    William A. Jacobson in reply to JP. | March 31, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    What cell phone voice? Is there a recording of him?

      Reportedly, and this is even more dubious than the “Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea”, the unidentified teenage girl friend just happened to be recording the conversation she had with him on her cell phone!

        William A. Jacobson in reply to donb. | March 31, 2012 at 11:48 pm

        The attorney for the Martin family was on TV the other night (it was either O’Reilly or Hannity) and said there is no recording, just a phone record.

      How about the answer message that he most likely recorded for his cell phone? I would assume that the police must have his cell phone.

      I would think yes, (’tis bad to do) that the love interest he was speaking to, OR has, saved messages from Trayvon.

      And yes, those could be down the history whole by now..

        JP in reply to JP. | April 1, 2012 at 10:01 am

        OOPPS! “whole” = hole. What’s a letter or three, huh?

          Just blame your iPad for any typos, JP. That’s what I do. Even if I haven’t been using it. That’s what all the Kool Kidz do. #protip

… the biometric expert says it’s only a 40% match to Zimmerman …

Voice, smoice.

The next thing we know, those so-called audiological experts will tell us that they’re somehow able to place Zimmerman in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963.

Phooey! Show me the autopsy.

    Indubitably!

      Trucker20 in reply to Joy. | March 31, 2012 at 11:34 pm

      The guy who prepared the body said there was no damage at all to the hands or fingers that would indicate that Martin had been punching anybody.

        William A. Jacobson in reply to Trucker20. | March 31, 2012 at 11:49 pm

        I’m not sure punching someone in the nose would leave wounds on the hands. So assuming it it true, it doesn’t prove or disprove anything.

          If he was merely ‘punched in the nose’, that puts the lie to Zimmerman’s claim of being sat on and repeatedly hit then, doesn’t it? Kinda makes the whole “had to kill him because I was being beaten to death” story fall apart too.

          The guy who prepared the body said the hands looked pristine.

          I’m not sure why Zimmerman gets so much benefit of the doubt when he was desperately trying to avoid being arrested for murder and willing to say whatever he thought would get him off.

          At least two witnesses saw one man on top of the other, beating him. Several witnesses heard someone screaming for help. The screaming can be heard on one of the 911 calls.

          If Trayvon was’nt doing the beating he was the one being beaten. Where are those injuries?

          William A. Jacobson in reply to William A. Jacobson. | April 1, 2012 at 12:35 am

          Witness interviewed by police that night apparently confirmed Trayvon was on top, although other witnesses are less clear, and also local TV interviewed a witness, I believe the same person, who said the same thing on video. As to lack of hand injuries, I guess they’ll need hand injury experts if that’s going to be part of the prosecution’s case. Zimmerman gets the same benefit of the doubt any accused person gets because there’s a presumption of innocence. It may be that Zimmerman committed a crime, there’s just not enough evidence in the public domain yet for us to make that determination. When charges are brought we’ll find out what the prosecution has.

          How about because he has a presumption of innocence?

          Doesn’t Trayvon also have (er…had) a presumption of innocence?

          Zimmerman gets the benefit of the doubt….that a person facing life in prison or worse gets. In other words, Zimmerman is in a position where he is highly, highly motivated to say whatever he needs to say to save his ass.

          He has a criminal record involving violence against a police officer.

          He has a background of domestic abuse requiring legal action.

          A former co-worker says he has a temper and can ‘snap’ and likes being in control. He described an incident where Zimmerman physically threw a woman, resulting in a broken ankle for her.

          He has a history of following people…even some people in the complex complained that he followed them home…and not in a good way.

          He has a history of over-reacting to minor things…he allegedly followed some guy who spat at his car…and the incident escalated until the cops were called. Who does that over something silly like ‘spitting at a car’? (in that case, the guy says Zimmerman was tailgating and he spit his gum out the window, but whatever.)

          All these things about Zimmerman show an underachiever with an anger-management problem and a tendency to either lose control, or not be sure where the control line was in any given situation.

          He has a criminal record … He has a background of domestic abuse … A former co-worker says he has a temper …. He has a history of following people … He has a history of over-reacting to minor things…

          He also tore that little tag off his mattress once. On purpose. For real.

          He even posted wildly speculative accusations on a blog once without linking his sources.

          You’re seriously comparing some kind of violence towards a police officer, past history of domestic violence, an alleged tendency to ‘snap’, and a history of intimidating behavior to “tearing the tag off a mattress”?

          Get real, dude.

          The pattern of Zimmerman as we understand it to this point indicates a menace with an anger problem…and then he got a gun.

          And now a boy is dead.

          And you make light of it.

          He has a criminal record involving violence against a police officer … He has a background of domestic abuse requiring legal action …

          Here’s the first link that came up in a (non-google) search I did for “george zimmerman violence against police officer”:

          WPTV – George Zimmerman was arrested before Trayvon Martin case, accused of domestic violence, fighting

          The article adds a “Rest of the Story” component many of us have come to expect when researching non-sourced speculation.

          In other words, I am right. Thanks.

          And let me amend ‘criminal record’ to arrest record, as I believe the charges were dropped.

          I am looking at the pattern of behavior of Zimmerman. The pattern, not a particular event.

          You are making light of a someone’s dead child by joking about ‘tearing off mattress tags’

          And let me amend ‘criminal record’ to arrest record, as I believe the charges were dropped.

          Therein lies the value of sourcing statements.

          The first statement you made, “He has a criminal record involving violence against a police officer”, was not factual. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence”.

          I’ve worked with kids just like Trayvon. It doesn’t please me that he was killed. We must sort fact from exaggeration to get as clear a picture as we can about what actually happened.

          And the original charges were: “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both third-class felonies.

          Don’t forget to mention that, just because the charges were lowered and he agreed to enter an “alcohol education” program to make them go away.

          I got that from the source you provided.

          If you make light of the violent pattern Zimmerman has by saying that ‘tearing off mattress tabs is also illegal,’ don’t presume to lecture me, pal.

          Go look up your own sources…this thing has been going around the block for a week or more now….if you haven’t been keeping up, I’m not doing your legwork for you.

          seen many dead bodies where no bruising on hands when I know they were hit moments before. often by taxis going autobahn speeds.
          and can repeatedly hit someone in nose and it may be soft enough (especially if hands/arms in way) to not show a bruise on a dark skinned person.
          I’d wait for ME and not funeral director before attaching too much weight on bruising.

          Trucker 20
          Sure, Zimmerman doesn’t come across as a sympathetic character, and he probably should not have followed Martin when the police officer told him he does not need to. But if it’s true that he was on the ground with Martin trying to wrestle away his gum, he no doubt felt threatened.

          Doesn’t Trayvon also have (er…had) a presumption of innocence?

          No, he does not. As you know very well. If he were alive and facing charges then he would be entitled to such a presumption; since he isn’t, he doesn’t. You know this; you are arguing in bad faith.

          In other words, I am right

          No, you are wrong.

          If you make light of the violent pattern Zimmerman has by saying that ‘tearing off mattress tabs is also illegal,’ don’t presume to lecture me, pal.

          He has no violent pattern. His confrontation with the policeman who was trying to arrest his friend involved no violence. That’s why the charge was reduced. And the domestic allegation was dropped without action and never proved, so you have no grounds for assuming it ever happened. Therefore his record is exactly as clean as someone who jaywalked or removed a mattress tag.

        Milwaukee in reply to Trucker20. | April 1, 2012 at 12:40 am

        Does banging somebody’s head against the ground cause damage to ones fingers? Could Martin have been wearing gloves? (Do they fit? Do we acquit? Sorry, wrong case.)

        Do we have any settled science here?

        Have we forgotten this is a gated community? How does one get into a gated community? Have we seen video from the convenience store where Martin bought his treats? What about the letters from the police telling Zimmerman to knock off the patrol work? Or the internal police documents complaining about him? Haven’t seen those yet.

          janitor in reply to Milwaukee. | April 1, 2012 at 12:51 am

          If you’re walking, you just walk in. The gates in many communities aren’t really gates, only keep out vehicle traffic.

          Trucker20 in reply to Milwaukee. | April 1, 2012 at 2:08 am

          And if you’re on foot, there may be other walkways, paths, etc., besides just the roads intended for vehicles. Some ‘gated communities’ are more gated than others.

    Milwaukee in reply to Samuel Keck. | April 1, 2012 at 12:41 am

    With triangulation of voice recorders, Zimmerman was on the grassy knoll. Of course, I’m not sure the term “Hispanic” had been coined at that time, so I’m not sure what he was.

Buy Israeli goods month? Cool! I’m out of Sabra hummus, which is the best–nom nom nom!!! And as summer is coming, I think I’ll go get a new pair of Naot sandals.

The Court of Public Opinion has almost seated a full twelve volunteer jurors: http://www.therightscoop.com/higher-def-surveillance-video-appears-to-show-wound-on-zimmermans-head/#comment-482460742

They must be really great jurors since they have already delivered their verdict without hearing the prosecution and defense attorneys and witnesses submit their testimonies and evidence.

    Anchovy in reply to Uncle Samuel. | April 1, 2012 at 12:07 am

    Yes, well this certainly is one way to streamline the criminal justice system. If we eliminate juries, judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys and all the court costs, we could save some serious cash.

    Of course the social service costs, and alcohol rehab costs society will incur from all of the unemployed lawyers might mitigate the original cash savings.

Carl’s tip jar is clanking with my contribution. Let’s get it in gear for our Israeli friend!

OT: Human Achiement Hour starts in 3 minutes Pacific Standard. Lights on!

Ok on the Toure thing.
This guy is crazy. First off he brings up the “C” word thing again, even though many people have suggested it was “punk” which really isn’t the same thing.
Secondly, we’ve got tons of people still arguing over whose voice that is in the tapes. But at 17, you’re mostly past the “voice change” stage which means that both of them are going to have “men” voices not “boy voices.”
Plus I don’t trust voice analysis all too much in these cases since my voice goes up about an Octive when I’m trying to be nice to someone on the phone and about an octive and a half when I’m panicked.

Was the 40% match done with a sample of his voice at the same levels of stress, pain, urgency, and panic, and also recorded over the same cell phone, cell tower, and weather conditions and using the same receiver, recorder, and land line links?

I didn’ think so.

I spent years (more than 12) subject to biometric voice matching for access to each area of my worksite. A 70% match on a single sample with all of the above matching was considered very good. Multiple samples (with everything matching) could improve the results, and the equipment frequently ask me to provide multiple samples. With all of the uncompensated variable in this situation, I think anything over 20% is a d**n good match.

    William A. Jacobson in reply to donb. | April 1, 2012 at 12:40 am

    That’s the problem with experts, particularly in soft areas. There often are two experts who look at the same evidence and come to different conclusions. I don’t know if voice analysis is like handwriting analysis (an area I’ve had a lot of experience with), but if it is, it’s very iffy.

      I lost all trust in forensic “scientists” of this sort during the Lindy Chamberlain trial, when I saw how they didn’t seem to understand the concept of “beyond reasonable doubt”. Half the things they testified under oath to were mere educated guesses, and much of the rest was “the most likely explanation”, which is good enough for a lot of purposes but not for convicting someone of a crime.

      (For the record, I believed in Mrs Chamberlain’s innocence from the very beginning, and was not in the least surprised when she was eventually exonerated.)

      oh, so they ARE like lawyers 🙂
      sorry could not resist 🙂

    Trucker20 in reply to donb. | April 1, 2012 at 9:28 am

    So you were ‘subject to’ voice-matching for your work. You weren’t actually doing it yourself.

    That’s like claiming you know something about locksmithing because you use keys and locks.

    You don’t say what years you worked in this situation, but you do say it was for 12 years. Given the exponential increase in technology year-by-year, unless your experience is very recent, I’d say the software today is likely a whole lot better than when you were at that job.

    Also mentioned in the article is that voice-recognition technology (biometrics) has becomes a significant means of tracking terrorists worldwide, so it seems reasonable to infer that the technology is quite a bit better than you remember, unless your experience was very, very recent.

NBC TV has been caught maliciously editing the Zimmerman-dispatcher tape to make Zimmerman look like a racist. 3/31/12, “NBC to do ‘internal investigation’ on Zimmerman segment,” Washington Post, Eric Wemple. It’s conducting an ‘investigation.’ MSNBC has been caught doing the same in a published version. 3/30/12, “MSNBC Fixes False Report Which Made Zimmerman Look Racist, Doesn’t Acknowledge Error,” NewsBusters. So far neither has apologized, admitted anything, or said why they’d seek to inflame racial hatred and violence.

Is it too early to announce that during this year’s commemoration of V. I. Lenin’s Birthday, known by some barbarians as “Earth Day,” my yard light shall be on all day and night to ensure that none shall put up anything nearby that might distract from the sorrow of that tragedy and its adverse effect on our world? Recall that day what Lenin reaped on our world, leading to Stalin, Mao, and the power-hungry fools like as many in today’s DNC!

My comment might be as relevant to this posting as what our vaunted media are doing to try Mr. Zimmerman.

OBTW: Tribe hummus is pretty good too and it’s cheaper in our area stores than Sabra, which is excellent too. What we need is a good Israeli source of flat breads for the turkey roll-ups we’ve been making recently, truly delicious with spicy hummus.

    Trucker20 in reply to Doug Wright. | April 1, 2012 at 1:46 am

    Much better and cheaper to make your own hummus.

      Taxpayer1234 in reply to Trucker20. | April 1, 2012 at 11:13 am

      I’d prefer to buy it from people who know how to make it. That’s why I don’t make my own sushi, either.

        Trucker20 in reply to Taxpayer1234. | April 2, 2012 at 10:29 am

        Once you learn how, then you are in the “those who know how to make it” club, and believe me, home-made is better than store-bought, and the ingredients are cheap.

        But if you want to continue to pay a lot for a tiny container while I can make a big delicious batch for a little over a buck, by all means…it’s a free country. Knock yourself out.

You’re seriously comparing some kind of violence towards a police officer, past history of domestic violence, an alleged tendency to ‘snap’, and a history of intimidating behavior to “tearing the tag off a mattress”?

It’s called Hyperbole.

The real message was in the second sentence. I’m still waiting for the sources for your statements which I consider to be hyperbolic.

BannedbytheGuardian | April 1, 2012 at 6:04 am

Well it certainly eradicated Azaria as a name.

BTW there is another inquiry that is about to wind up.

It is still basically unsolved.

*raises hand* I have a question. If you’ve just had your nose broken and on the ground getting pummelled, even if the person beating you up backed away for a nanosecond, giving the fear and pain you’re in, why is it a bad thing to eliminate the threat as soon as you could get your gun clear? Wouldn’t a reasonable person, when reviewing the testimony and witness statements, say the beatee could safely assume the beater may jump back on them and therefore additional bodily injury may be forthcoming up to and including death? Heck…I’m a layperson but as things happen fast in these situations and there isn’t much chance when emotions and adrenaline kick in to do any cerebral thinking, I think most of us would react to protect ourselves with whatever we had. Even if St. Trayvon (and yeah, I’m not buying the crap he was all angelic out for Skittles and Tea) had backed up and Zimmerman had staggered to his feet, if they’re still facing each other and Trayvon didn’t turn to run, it changes nothing IMO. He was still a threat. It’s going to be interesting to see what the grand jury decideds. A lesser included offense? You all have to know that nothing less than George’s severed head will appease some people. So sad we’ve come to mob rule now, thanks to a mob rule, community organizer president.

    Trucker20 in reply to caambers. | April 1, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Sounds like an excellent argument for gun control, I’d say.

    Zimmerman precipitated this situation, and if he got into a fight, and got his butt kicked, too bad for him. He’ll know better next time. NOBODY NEEDED TO DIE.

    I’d like to know what well-regulated militia Zimmerman was a part of.

    It’s time to bring the “well-regulated militia” language of the second amendment back into public view from wherever you gun-nuts have hidden it.

      “Sounds like an excellent argument for gun control, I’d say.”

      Yes. Because the average Black Yoof is sooooo much safer in cities where Democrats have enacted draconian “gun control” laws.

      DC, Chicago….

      Midwest Rhino in reply to Trucker20. | April 1, 2012 at 11:01 am

      If you mean Zimmerman observing and calling 911 precipitated the confrontation … maybe, sorta. But Zimmerman reported Martin first turned toward him, then ran away, while still talking to 911. He said he ran toward the back entrance, which maps have indicated was toward Martin’s Dad’s girlfriend’s place, (only a block away?).

      Zimmerman was out of his truck, and with 911 for another minute, arranging to meet the dispatched officer. No indication he continued following, certainly wasn’t running. Every indication I’ve seen is Martin had to go back and decided to confront Zimmerman. Even his gf’s prepared statement has Zimmerman speaking first … he wasn’t running “home”.

      Also I’m just hearing that Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend did not go to police first, or maybe refused to cooperate with them. She went to a lawyer first. Perhaps that is smart in any case, but it seems a more likely action if she was witness to Martin’s plan to confront, than if she had just (audibly) witnessed the murder of her completely innocent boyfriend. She knows more. Her released statement is crafted (imo).

      Do screams like that come from the guy delivering the beating? This caller says the guy on top had a white t-shirt. (confirming other witnesses) That was Martin. Except he had long sleeves I guess … maybe he rolled them up?
      (call 4, at the 3:10 mark)
      http://mysanfordherald.com/view/full_story/17920502/article-Sanford-police-release-911-calls-in-Trayvon-Martin-shooting?instance=news_page

      Let’s wait till other experts weigh in. This case is being prosecuted by the media, and they can bring in any expert they want. The “prosecution” has altered phone calls, and snuck out police surveillance that shows wounds, but claims it does not show them … but this prosecution convicts before there is any defense … very convenient.

      Martin could have run “home” and been there before Zimmerman finished his call(if the Dad’s gf’s home in the gated community info is correct). It seems he instead decided to precipitate a confrontation.

      Milhouse in reply to Trucker20. | April 1, 2012 at 2:41 pm

      Zimmerman, like every American who owns a weapon, is part of the USA militia. “Militia” means the armed populace. And “well-regulated” means well-trained.

      And in any case, the second amendment applies to everyone, whether they’re in the militia or not; the militia clause is the reason for the amendment, not the substance. If the first amendment had said “a well-informed public being necessary for a free society, the freedom of the press shall not be abridged”, would that change the meaning of the freedom at all? No, of course it wouldn’t. So why do you pretend the second amendment is different?

Seems to me that the undertaker’s remarks about Trayvon Martin’s hands showing no signs of bruising or swelling are not probative of anything. It typically takes some time for bruising and swelling to develop on skin that has been injured (from throwing hard punches, for example), and the body must be alive during that time. If blood and fluids have stopped circulating in the body because the body is dead, there will be no bruising and swelling. Trayon Martin died within seconds of punching Zimmerman, so the absence of bruising and swelling on his hands proves nothing.

you know with the past violence to PO charges you’;d think they would WANT to lock Z up and would look for the slightest reason.

    Plus, if Florida really is run by Racist RethugliKKKans™!!11!!! as they claim, why wouldn’t said Racist RethugliKKKans™!!11!!! jump at the chance to lock up an Hispanic Democrat?

Rex Murphy in the National Post:

“People are not symbols. Facts are not plastic, to be heated and molded to produce a narrative. The news is not a parable. Martin Zimmerman is not ‘white America’ any more than Trevyor Martin is ‘black America.’

“We should stay our own judgments in this case, hold on to the presumption of innocence, drain politics from the story, and await what the courts have to say. Insofar as such people can be, those who would inflame this story should be ignored.”

Amen.

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