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Really, just really

Really, just really

Really, just really (emphasis mine):

Mitt Romney says he was “outgunned” in South Carolina, blaming attacks from Newt Gingrich for his defeat there earlier this month.

“I needed to make sure that instead of being outgunned in terms of attacks, that I responded aggressively — and hopefully that will have served me well here,” Romney said when asked by a reporter what lesson he took from his defeat in South Carolina.

“You know, in South Carolina we were vastly outspent with negative ads attacking me and we stood back and spoke about President Obama and suffered the consequence of that,” he added.

On the cusp of victory in Florida, Romney says he came out swinging here to prevent Gingrich from “defining” him, positioning himself as an unwilling negative campaigner forced into attacking his rival because that’s how it’s done.

“I would like to be spending more of our time focusing on President Obama…but I’m not going to stand back and allow another candidate to define me,” Romney said. “It would be wonderful if campaigns were nothing but positive,” he added, “but that’s certainly not the reality”

But the truth is that Romney outspent Gingrich about 2-1 in South Carolina, and over 4-1 in here the Sunshine State. Romney has also deployed an army of surrogates to bombard Gingrich with negative soundbites and statements. And Gingrich unilaterally withheld from running negative ads in Iowa, and saw his poll numbers collapse in the state amid millions of dollars in attacks from a pro-Romney Super PAC.

But then again, Romney was the true Reagan conservative who fought for the conservative message in the 1990s while Newt was running away from Reagan and conservatism.  Really, just really.


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Henry Hawkins | January 31, 2012 at 5:52 pm

This guy is nauseatingly unctious.

    This nastiness on McRomney’s part is why so many of us non-Romney people loathe him. This does not breed good will, and he’ll need a lot of it should he become the nominee (God forbid!). Does he really expect us to vote for him after this? Especially after we held our noses and pulled the lever for that back-stabbing bastard, McCain.

    Worse. He’s becoming an abomination.

Unctious and unscrupulous.

What a scumbag.

Snorkdoodle Whizbang | January 31, 2012 at 5:59 pm

It still amazes me that anyone could support this guy. I don’t know which is proposition is worse – that he’s unprincipled… or that he does have principles, but we don’t know just what the heck they are.

God is moving His servants in Christ to purge the republican leadership of it’s antiChrists! Vote for a new born-again leadership that the GOO may be in the Kingdom of God!

    Henry Hawkins in reply to ID_Neon. | January 31, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Shouldn’t you be recommending people pray for that, not vote for it? Or maybe you see the vote as more powerful than God? I don’t understand. That’s why I became a satanic cultist. Christianity is, like, complicated.

    Henry Hawkins
    12th Ring of Hell


      A person who seeks morality in a servant of God himself is without God for Christ came to forgive sinners not to make men righteous but to work righteousness Himself through men!

      It is the lack of God in both parties that both serve Satan that is causing the decline of America. Reagan was a man filled with Christ! Early America loved Christ!

      You cannot restore America without first becomg a slave for Christ!

      Without God it is not Possible!

      The GOP must be purged of secularists, who serve only Mammon and give America to the liberals!

        Henry Hawkins in reply to ID_Neon. | January 31, 2012 at 8:36 pm

        See now, Neon, you’re just confusing me worse.

        “It is the lack of God in both parties that both serve Satan that is causing the decline of America.”

        If both parties serve Satan, how come a Mormon and a Catholic are leading the pack? Heeeeeey, you’re not suggesting Mormonization and Catholicism are satanic, are you? If so, I’m pretty sure I can get you a great gig in my satanic cult, maybe as a union steward even. We satanists always saying ugly stuff like that, just like you.

        “You cannot restore America without first becomg a slave for Christ!”

        But, but, but… America has laws against slavery. You’d have to be some sort of satanist to want to enslave people. Dude, are you sure you’re working the right side of the grassline?

        “Without God it is not Possible!”

        Amen, brother. Without God, what would being a satanist mean? I’d be out of a job! And my herd of goats!

        “The GOP must be purged of secularists, who serve only Mammon and give America to the liberals!”

        Dude, you spelled it wrong. It’s not M-a-m-m-o-n. It’s R-o-m-n-e-y.

    CalMark in reply to ID_Neon. | January 31, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    With all due respect, it’s this kind of unnecessary God-mongering that is caricature conservatism.

    This is politics, friend, not Sunday School. I doubt even Reagan would meet your standards for godliness. (Divorced and a well-known Hollywood womanizer when not married.)

      The Neon post more likely is attempting to mock Christianity and make fools of those who believe Neon is serious.

    Anchovy in reply to ID_Neon. | January 31, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Again, no thanks.

    Midwest Rhino in reply to ID_Neon. | January 31, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    The problem with going all medieval Christian on their arse … is that the anti-Christ reigns AFAIK … and I’m not buying into that, certainly not voting based on a doomsday religion of any sort. If you believe that, we are doomed, no point voting.

    Mitt nor Obama are the anti-Christ … but both have a phony story. Newt is no Jesus, but he really was a large figure in that Reagan era movement, perhaps more conservative than Reagan.

    Romney is just saying he thought he had buried the truth, but it resurfaced in SC, so he outspent Gingrich 5:1 in Florida to again bury the truth, with the help of Drudge, FOX, etc.

    Romney said he was outspent in SC, yet he actually outspent 2:1. More lies. I’d say 2+2=5 for Romney, but it is more like 4 > 2, by Mitt math.

    Don’t give me that old time religion … give me good guys in white hats … hi ho silver.

Well now, since Mitt will be outspent in the fall election, he’s got an excuse tucked away in his inside breast pocket!

Wonder if Mitt would graciously accept the post of US Ambassador to China under Obama 2.0?

Ray of sunshine: it’s all starting to come out now.

The Romney attack dogs. The Romney negativity bombardment. Newt’s positive campaign exploited ruthlessly by the Romney attack dogs in Iowa.

I’m not giving up just yet! Maybe I’m whistling past the graveyard. Just remember, McCain won FL but didn’t sew it up until Super Tuesday, and McCain, who was despised by the base, wasn’t hated nearly as much as Romney is. (Then again, McCain was the “his turn” guy in ’08.)

Chin up! Onward!

    Henry Hawkins in reply to CalMark. | January 31, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Good Lord, optimism is certainly warranted, and let us not mistake our anger for resignation! Hell, this primary has been leader-for-the-day for months and anything can happen – and has. Newt’s got the legs to hold on and weather the hurricanes (um, metaphorically he’s got the legs). This thing is far from over. If this were the NFL, it’s only Week 4…… of the preseason!

    Man up! Er, woman up!, Er… person up! I’ve thought my life was over about a dozen times, but I’m still the best looking, happiest man in NC.

I feel like every time he opens his mouth I just want to throw up. When is he going to learn that actually saying how you feel as an elitis doesn’t serve you well when you are so out of touch with who the regular voter is?

Henry Hawkins | January 31, 2012 at 6:13 pm

(I’m getting dizzy c & p-ing this in every other thread, but it fits so well. Apologies for the repetition, but it precisely quantifies the literally and officially record-setting Romney negativity).

Excerpts from an article outlining the negativity of the Florida portion of the GOP primary season:

“The analysis from Campaign Media Analysis Group (CMAG) shows a whopping 92% of ads airing in Florida over the past week were negative. The organization said Tuesday that was a record rate for political campaigns.

“Numbers from CMAG show a total of 11,586 television spots aired in Florida between January 23 and January 29. Of those spots, 10,633 were negative and 953 were positive.

“Of the 1,012 spots Newt Gingrich’s campaign ran, 95% were negative. Mitt Romney’s campaign ran 3,276 ads and 99% were negative.

“The two super PACs supporting the top candidates were more divergent in their ad strategies. Restore our Future, supporting Romney, ran 4,969 spots, all of which were negative. The Gingrich-backing Winning our Future ran 1,893 spots, and only 53% were negative.

“Correspondingly, the bulk of ads in Florida – 68% – were negative toward Gingrich. Twenty-three percent were anti-Romney spots. Gingrich got support from 9% of ads while pro-Romney spots accounted for less than 0.1%.”

[end quote]

Congratulations to Mitt Romney for accomplishing the most negative campaign ever measured, powered primarily by his super PAC. This guy’s an achiever.


How can people distort/lie about the truth sleep at night, or face themselves in a mirror ???
It frustrates the life out of me ….

    Squires in reply to MontereyZman. | January 31, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    It’s very simple, don’t you see: They lie to themselves. They lie to themselves most of all. For every lie that they formulate to mislead another, the first person they try it out on is themselves.

    Darkstar58 in reply to MontereyZman. | January 31, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Because they know what is better for you, and you are just too stupid to realize it.

    If you all were smarter, then they wouldn’t have to lie in order to make you choose what you obviously need…

    Thats how they see it at least.

    How can people distort/lie about the truth sleep at night, or face themselves in a mirror ???

    A person without remorse, with no soul can.

holmes tuttle | January 31, 2012 at 6:18 pm


Even as a Newt supporter, I think you have to acknowledge his campaign had a bad week last week. There’s still time to correct it and fix it but he needs to realize the mistakes and take action:

1st. His debate on Monday the 23rd was below par. the debates were what won it for him in SC. He had a chance to really cement things in FL and he just blew it in that 1st debate. That wasn’t Romney’s fault, or the elites, or anyone else’s. If Newt performed on the 2rd like he did in either of the SC debates he wins FL, even with all of the attacks. Simple as that.

2nd. He needs to do a better job of rebutting Romney’s false attacks. Like the resigned in disgrace or was forced out. He did no such thing. The party underperformed in the 98 midterms and he resigned as a result. He could have stayed on, maybe wouldn’t have won the Speaker vote. Keep in mind the GOP still won the House that year, just with a few less seats.

Would Romney say Margaret Thatcher resigned in disgrace. She resigned after she saw she wasn’t going to win on the 1st ballot for the Conservative leadership. Roughly equal to Newt’s situation. Would he say Thatcher was a failed leader? Newt needs to have these facts ready and be able to bring them up and slap Romney down.

there have been 20 debates. To my knowledge Newt has not mentioned in any of them that there reason romney didn’t run for reelection in MA was because his approval rating was donw to 34% by the end of his term and he had zero chance of winning. He damaged the GOP in MA. The Senate lost 1 seat and the legislature 4 or 5 over his term. Romney basically abandoned any hopes of a second term to focus on running for President.

Why has Newt never mentioned that Romney was deeply unpopular in MA by the end of his term, mention his failed term as Governor and how he was so unpopular he left the door open for Patrick, losing the Gov for the GOP for the 1st timne in 16 years? And, btw, Patrick was the test run for Obama in 2008, managed by Axelrod. If Romney had won and beaten Patrick Obama may have never run in the 1st place. It was Patrick’s campaign that really convinced people it was doable.

These are basic facts Newt should bring up at every debate.

Under Newt the GOP took the House fo rthe 1st time in 40+ years. they held it for the next 12 years, despite Clinton’s popularity and his big win in 96. 5 more elections. Yes, smaller majorities, but still in control. By contrast look at the dems and Pelosi who won in 2006 and suffered an epic defeat only 4 years later. Newt had nothing to do with losing the House in 2006. That was all W and the GOP elites.

If that’s failed leadership what’s romney’s 4 year term, leaving at near 30% approval, costing his party seats in both houses of the state legislature and costing the GOP the Gov mansion for the 1st time in 16 years?

These are just a couple of examples of how he needs to be more on the ball.

Aside from just focusing on the mandate in Romneycare he needs to bring up the abortion issues. The $50 copay, the fatc that planned parenthood was appointed to a state health board under it. Issues that matter to a lot of conservatives.

Also, I think he needs to have a much more focused message of what his argument is. Romney has a one sentence agrument. “I succeeeded in business and turned around failed companies and I’ll do the same for the US economy”. It’s easily understood. What’s Newt’s one sentence argument? He needs one. Stop wasting time on moon colonies, Alinsky, food stamps, etc…

BTW, why does Newt never attack Romney’s economic credentials. Why does he never point out hat MA was 47 of 50 in job creatin under Romney, 48 of 50 in GDP growth, that it well underperformed the nation as a whole during his term? he should have these facts at the ready and spit them out at every debate. Make sure everyone knows them and leave Romney stammering. The facts show that whatever his business success, they in no way translated to his time as Gov and there’s no eveidence they’d do so as President. By contrast Newt actually has plenty of data that show that when he was in charge of the House and largely responsible for US economic policy, the economy performed at its best level arguably ever. He needs to make those contrasts, they’re easy enough to do.

I could go, but these are just som examples of improvements. there’s plenty of time left to turn things around, but he needs to start getting on the ball. romney adjusted after SC. Now Newt needs to adjust.

Henry Hawkins | January 31, 2012 at 6:24 pm

Like all professional liars, Romney knows that a lie takes about ten seconds to utter and the other guy will need at least two weeks to clear it up. (Ask any businessperson about false flags, purposeful rumors, fake stock data, etc.) That’s why Romney lies so close to the primary dates.

I’ve come to realize there are three things to remember when you think about Romney:

1) Just ignore Bain Capital and the possibility of questionable actions; questioning it is anti-Capitalism and you shouldn’t do it

2) Just ignore everything he has ever said prior to 2008; he has clearly stated he has changed his mind on everything he ever stood for

3) Just ignore everything he ever did as Governor; Democrats controlled the Congress so he had to just go along with what they wanted.

Meanwhile, we are supposedly to judge him on… a smile?

Otherwise, who the hell knows; he wont give us a reason to vote for him and instead just has all his bots running around telling us to ignore all of his actual actions and principles he now distances himself from.

This is seriously the worst campaign I have ever seen a man run – it is based solely off spending record levels of money to smear everyone else (with extreme help from the establishment) and let the Democrats praise you as “the only serious” and “inevitable” choice until it becomes true.

Realistically, its down to a two man race at this point and will have to choose one of the two. As I stated in another thread here, the way I see it is we have a distinct choice:

– One man has championed and passed more Conservative Agenda bills then any man currently alive today

– One man has the single most Liberal Agenda record of any Governor the last 50 years

Those two things can not be taken away; they are just fact. So the question is, which one do you choose?

That little Q and A with Romney just reinforces how disingenuous the guy is. He got beat in SC because there are a lot of conservatives in the state and they didn’t like him, even though he spent twice the money of Newt he still lost, not because he was “out defined” but because he is a liberal and a liar. In Florida Mitt has out spent Newt by five times, basically making sure his was the only message heard, not to mention his lying surrogates who came out from under their rocks to pretend that Newt was somehow against Reagan and Mitt was the true conservative. Shameful, just shameful.

Up is down, left is right, ignorance is strength etc.

Sounding more and more like a liberal everyday.

Really??? Pretty sure a little pee just came out. I feel a little sheepish for taking this blog seriously after reviewing this silliness. When the likes Malkin will not dare support Newt as a matter of priciple you have to at least pause right

    Darkstar58 in reply to bswaner. | January 31, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    and when the likes of Michael Reagan and Fred Thompson endorse Newt, you have to at least open-up your bigoted mind…

    Malkin is pro-Romney. She only endorsed Santorum when he was safely out of contention. This is similar to when a blue-dog Democrat gets permission from Pelosi to vote against a bill when there is already a safe Democratic majority. Her only purpose to endorse Santorum is to keep the anti-Romney vote split. If you want to know what Malkin really thinks, you have to follow her sockpuppets over at HotAir which is all Romney, all the time.

Windy City Commentary | January 31, 2012 at 6:45 pm

Guess what? Rick Santorum is now focused on attacking Newt in other states. Way to go Ricky; are you looking for a position in Romney’s cabinet?

I’m not an authority on the LDS church, but I’m pretty sure that lying through your teeth is not something they would consider a virtue.

holmes tuttle | January 31, 2012 at 6:57 pm

Another thing is that as long as Santorum is around taking up a chunk of the non-Romney vote it’s going to be very tough. Just no way around that.

But Newt needs to adapt. He’s a military historian. In 1942 the US landed Armies in North Africa and ended up meeting the Germans in a place called Kasserine Pass in Tunisia. It didn’t go well, to say the least. Did we give up? Did Eisenhower withdraw and cede the area to Rommel? No, we regrouped and learned from what happened. We brought in Patton as a new commander. Fairly soon after we turned the tide and by the end of 42 the Afrika Corps was history.

Or Newt could use the Civil War analogy. Took Lincoln a bit before he settled on Grant. Before Gettysburg and Chamberlain on Little Round Top changed the course of US history.

Was it over when the German bombed pearl Harbor! “Germans?. Forget it, he’s rolling.”

But look, if Romney outspends him 4 or 5 to 1 in every state and airs 99% negative ads nonstop, it’s going to be very difficult for Newt to win. It’s like if you into battle with a water gun and the other guy brings out a gatling gun. I don’t care how tough you are or how smart, it’s not going to end well.

So, Newt needs to assess and adjust his strategy accordingly. Needs to figure out a way to deal with the negative ads and attacks. Obviously what he tried in FL didn’t work and shouldn’t be repeated.

My suggestion is to really focus and end all the distractions. No more moon colonies, no more diversions or excursions. No more talk of the 7 debates and Saul Alinsky. Look, lets be honest no one knows who Saul ALinsky is. Everyone does know about the eocnomy and jobs and too much spending and the deficit and Obamacare and big govt, etc…

He needs to have a very clear and concise message on the economy. Specific, but understandable. Find a ingle issue or two he can really run on. Reagan had the Panama Canal in 76. Bush had his tax cuts and retoring honor and dignity to the WH So. Help. Me. God. in 00. McCain had the Surge in 08. Kerry had his war record. Obama had the 1st black President thing. Clinton had his man from hope deal and “it’s the economy, stupid”. Romney has the I’m just a business guy who will fix the economy a la Phil Hartman and his “I’m just a caveman” schtick from 80s SNL.

Even the departed candidates this year had a schtick. Perry’s was “I’m the Jobs governor”. Cain’s was pretty much the same as Romney’s + 999 + See, Republicans and conservatives aren’t racist, we’ll see your half black-half white President and raise you a full on 100% black President.

What’s Newt’s angle? So far it seems to be “I’m going to challenge Obama to 7 debates that will in all likelihood never take place, and spend the rest of the campaign comparing Obama to some 60s era dead guy that 99.9% of Americans never heard of and have no idea who he is”. He also seems to be saying I’m Ronald Reagan for good measure, when, despite Newt’s achievements and contributions to the party and conservatism, on a personal and political level(and I say this as someone who hopes he wins this), he’s simply nowhere near Reagan. I hope he does better in those Lincoln Douglas debates with Obama than the 2 FL debates, btw.

He needs a positive message that people can latch onto and follow. A slogan/sentence. That’s what the big consultants are for. Newt was able to do it in 94 with the Contract. He needs a big idea like that now. A unifying theme. He needs a Carville, Axelrod, Rove, Atwater, etc… Someone that can help him with this stuff. Anyone here have any ideas?

Maybe borrow a line from Shakespeare. “Once more unto the breach, dear friends”. He can get out his contributins and record in the part yand movement, his record as Speaker, and say that he was happy being a grandfather and being retired, but things are so bad the old gunslinger needed to come out one last time. Sort of like Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven. Show the fight. Like Pacino in Scent of a Woman. “If I was the man I was years ago I’d take a flamethrower to this place!”

Maybe something along the lines of “I ran Congress and led the Republican Party during the best economic period in our nation’s history. I did it before and I’ll do it again. Everything you care about and say you want to see happen-balanced budget, reduced spending, entitlement reform, pay down the debt, shrink govt, economic growth, low unemployment, millions of new jobs, etc… – I’m the only one who has already done it and knows how to do it again. Romney’s record doesn’t even begin to measure on any level. I’m the only one who can make that contrast with Obama.” But figure out a pithy sentence or two to sum that up in.

He needs that one sentence that sums up his candidacy and argument, like all successful candidates have. Any suggestions? If I think of any, I’ll post them later.

    Agreed. He should limit his responses to his endorsements by Michael Reagan, referencing the honor of being the recipient of the torch of the Reagan Revolution, and the endorsements by Art Laffer (of Reagan’s “supply-side” economics), Thomas Sowell, Rick Perry (the jobs governor), and Fred Thompson. For the rest, he should refer people to a collection of videos at his website (which somehow lacks a list of endorsements!).

    He should go back to focusing on a positive campaign, making the case for how the vision he shared with Reagan is the actual compassionate conservativism, not of handouts but of opportunity. I liked Steve Forbes’ slogan when he ran, “Hope, Growth, and Opportunity”.

    The only ad he needs to run mentioning Romney might be something featuring the Romney quote Mark Steyn used: “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.”

    Hope Change in reply to holmes tuttle. | February 1, 2012 at 1:09 am

    Hi holmes tuttle. Sounds like you do this for a living or something. But you’re focused on the imagery. Maybe that works. But the point of Newt is the Big Ideas. Paycheck not food stamps. fair resolution of immigration issues and secure the border. reform and simplify taxes for low Rates and high Revenues. Bring manufacturing home. Dream again. — I thought the SPACE POLICY speech was absolutely terrific. It made me feel eager.

    If the American people decide to back Newt because of the Big Ideas, I truly believe that the Establishment will not be able to stop us. The NorthEastern Liberals who have retired to Florida don’t get Newt. Romney was able to turn enough people off, make them disgusted with everyone, that Newt wasn’t able to excite them and win.

    But not all states are like Florida. At some point, people are going to get to know Romney. and many people in other states are already excited to vote for Newt.

    AND I’m hoping that there are conservatives in other states who will not be susceptible to Romney’s lie-machine.

    Maybe your suggestions can help Newt. I’m not knowledgeable about how to run a campaign. I would say find out more about what Newt is all about, though.

    After all, Newt got the majority in the House in 1994 —
    for the ungrateful Republicans who turned on him because — gasp —
    he told what books to read over the recess breaks when they were home. OOOO they didn’t like his management style. I’m sure it was more than that and they probably had legitimate complaints, but really, what a bunch of weaselly, short-sighted babies.

    We have GOT to attract a better kind of person to politics, And I think that means we have GOT to make it impossible to get rich from politics. We need people who are genuinely interested in helping our country be great, not people who are looking to do insider trading or peddle influence.

    Newt is trying to get his message out on the Big Ideas. Newt has put worth more information about what he plans to do — for example, to reverse about 40% of what Obama has done — on ON NEWT’S FIRST DAY in office, on Inauguration Day, in the afternoon. The information is already taking shape, is already being written and some is already on Newt’s website. This is more than the average campaign ever tells anyone, ever, or probably even ever knows, itself!

    Also, the stuff about the 7 debates is important. This is how Newt plans to force a contrast between himself and Obama. don’t you see, even if Obama refuses to debate, NEwt gets the news coverage. It starts the momentum swirling in the other direction. I totally see how this will work. And it’s part of the overall plan.

    Your suggestions about Callista might be good. I don’t know. I’ve begun to like Callista very much. It took me a while.

    I watched Callista and Newt in some very, very long receiving lines at campaign stops in Iowa (saw it on C-SPAN) and I began to like her very much. She is quiet and kind. She leans forward to talk to people in a gentle, kind way. I like how Callista gets along with Newt’s daughters and the grandchildren. I think if Newt wins, we’ll see a lot of the grandchildren in the White House. I would love that.

    To me, Callista looks like someone who has helped Newt find himself, find his spiritual core, make peace inside himself. I think she is honest with him, supports him, encourages him and helps him stay real and down-to-earth.

    I even like the hair now. I like the way she is always beautifully dressed. I would love to see her more causal for an occasion that is casual, but I appreciate that she always looks pretty and classy. You know she would be someone we could respect as first lady.

    If Newt wins this nomination, as I have said before, I think Newt will win the general election.

    I think we will have Callista to thank for the fact that Newt has found himself and has the courage and patience to go through this trial of fire for our children and grandchildren, so that they may live free, as we have lived free.

    Newt seems to me to be a person with a mission and a fire of love for our country and its possible future. He admires Lincoln, Washington, Reagan. This is the kind of person who unselfishly would go through this. We are so lucky to have Newt.

    I’m going to do everything I can to help Newt get elected. God bless us every one.

Romney has learned well — from Obama.

Big Orwell fan, this Romney

Worse than McCain.

To all you interested in the Mormon Church, here is THE quintessential link:

Rick Ross is a cult deprogramer who is an expert witness in court. He is fair and balanced as the comments at this link show. He is NOT a Christian Apologist trying to smear the Mormon faith, or a Mormon Apologist trying to defend it.

No matter how you cut it, when this information gets out I don’t think there is ANY way a Mormon can get elected to NATIONAL office. (Harry Reid is a Nevada-only elected official).

Mormonism (in my opinion) is the FIRST science-fiction cult/religion…Scientology is a newcomer by comparison.

Also of note: Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Mao are all members in good standing with the LDS (Mormons).

…of course they are all members after death, baptized into the faith…as are all your dead grand-parents, great aunts and uncles and as will be you and your children after you.

Yes, we are “all Mormons” after death, thanks to the odd practices of the Mormon church (who also use this as a chance to get courts to award unclaimed estates to the church.)

Lies and thievery don’t exist to a Mormon as long as it is at the expense of a non-Mormon. Mitt speaks with a forked-tongue but don’t fret…He is allowed to by his religion since we are just unwashed savages.