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Cain fighting back

Cain fighting back

He’s seeking Ginger White’s phone records, and denying that the alleged trip to the Tyson-Holyfield fight (the one where Tyson bit his ear) ever took place.  Someone is lying, and we owe it to ourselves and the process to find out who.

From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

A review of the records by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution shows Cain sent 17 text messages to White, almost always responding to messages from her.

On Wednesday, Wood sent a letter to White’s attorney, Edward Buckley, asking for her phone records to “test her credibility and motive” for coming forward to the media. Wood, in the letter, said he wanted to “ascertain whether the decision to grant interviews was politically motivated and to determine whether she has received or [been] promised money for participating.” ….

She claims the retired McDonough executive lavished her with gifts and flew her around the country to meet him at places where he was speaking, or on one occasion, to Las Vegas to watch a Mike Tyson-Evander Holyfield boxing match. Cain denies that trip happened.

And now that the allegation is out there, anyone see Cain at the Tyson-Holyfield fight, or ever hear him talk about being at it?  We now have a definitive provable or unprovable fact.

Also, from Taegan Goddard:

Meanwhile, John DiStaso spoke to a prominent Cain supporter in New Hampshire who reports Cain told him that “today and tomorrow there will be releases of very important information concerning this woman and her claims and he said it will be good news for Herman Cain.”

I’m glad Cain is fighting back.  Either he will be exposed as a liar, or he will be vindicated.  We’re entitled to one of those, rather than the vague media frenzy netherworld the allegations now occupy.


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I hope they subpoena all of these women. If they’re lying, they should be sued for slander. It they’re not, then Cain is toast.

I think he is pissed and is ready to stop playing gentleman. it sucks it had to come to that, but the composure he has shown so far is unfathomable to me. I could not do it.

workingclass artist | December 1, 2011 at 4:02 pm

3 questions.

If Ginger White is “troubled” why return her calls?
( I would think an atty. wold do that for him )

Why give her any financial help at all for two years and not tell your wife about it?

How much financial help did he give her over 2 years.

Hey Prof, one good thing that might come out of this is if Cain wins, it will inoculate Herman and the others, too, going forward. Think of it as Nietzsche in play.

Klein let slip that it was the media attacking Cain.

Monday night, when this story broke there were a whole mess of ‘right side’ blogger intent on screaming every allegation from the rooftops, and thereby pronouncing Cain’s candidacy dead.



So where are they now? Why aren’t they so intent on resolving the details. Isn’t this becoming a prime example of the media double standard?

If this woman’s story is proven false these so called ‘right’ bloggers need to be force fed every last tidbit of refutation.

Won’t happen of course; they’ll go on their merry way. One of the reasons they did what they did is because they knew that either way they’d get away with it.

But a boy can dream, can’t he?

DINORightMarie | December 1, 2011 at 4:21 pm

I suspect a troll above me…….time will tell, I suppose. 😉

Herman Cain is a man who would make Obama look like the weaselly weakling he is, and would show up Obama in so many ways if they were to ever share the stage together. Herman Cain would be a HUGE, MASSIVE improvement over Obama, even with his lack of foreign policy experience. Because Herman Cain can LEAD. Cain is a man of morals and honor, which is why they are attacking him on that front.

(I heard on Rush today, BTW, that Klein (NYT?) let slip that the MSM is attacking him as part of their strategy….I didn’t get the show he played the clip from, so I can’t link. But this just puts the attacks into perspective, IMHO.)

Now, about the latest accusation: Cain tried to rise above it, but this is outright Alinsky playbook cr*p. He needs to stand up against this attack, if for no other reason than to prove to the Alinsky-ite leftists that Herman Cain won’t back down and give them the victory they so crave – a coward’s shoot-him-in-the-back victory. Which of course doesn’t matter to leftists – “by any means necessary” is their mantra.

The left must be exposed, defeated, and thrown into the ash heap of history, where all tyranny belongs.

I can believe Herman Cain would fight against this, and sacrifice his shot at the presidency both to clear his name and to show the left that REAL MEN and TRUE LEADERS don’t just sit down and shut up, to stop the attacks. Because that never works. Bullies never stop, when their target (i.e. victim) is down, cowering, withdrawing. No, that is when they go in for the “fun” of total humiliation. In the case of these Chicago thugs, it would be to destroy the man and his career.

They don’t play around; to them, this is total war. Take no prisoners. To the bitter end.

That is what we are up against, my friends. Get ready. Because 2012 will be like 1968 on steroids, if I am right.

The left smells blood in the water – and it is their own. They are full of fear. Terrified, in fact. I hope I’m wrong, but I doubt it. The OWS types – and the left overall – are just regrouping during the winter…… Be prepared.

DINORightMarie | December 1, 2011 at 4:45 pm

Another interesting read about this Cain attack mess from Ann Coulter.

And here is the link to Rush and the Klein comments he mentioned on his show today.

DINORightMarie | December 1, 2011 at 5:31 pm

Herman Cain is an admirable man. From his Facebook post:

“I think Thomas Jefferson said ti best: All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.”

He is going to clear his name, exposing and defeating these smear merchants. Good!

As someone who has espoused his support for Herman Cain on this website as well as on American Thinker, I have purposely been silent concerning these allegations against Herman Cain in order to listen and evaluate the situation which has been rather difficult to do since NONE of the women who first came out with these allegations have come forth with any evidence that they said they would put forth. In my heart of hearts I have believed that Herman was not the man that these women have claimed him to be and I am happy that Herman has now begun his counterattack against these women.

Herman, the long knives are out to get you because you have struck a chord with the American electorate and your candidacy, whether it is successful or not, could have dangerous, long term consequences for the Democrat’s hegemony over the votes of Americans of African descent and the Demo(n)rats know this. I learned at a very young age that politics is a contact sport and is played for keeps and the older I become the more disgusted I get with the political process but, as the saying goes, it is what it is.

Good Luck Herman!!

I grow weary of this (isn’t everyone?).

Today, Cain met with the editors of the Union-Leader in New Hampshire and told them that he made certain payments to Ginger White for “rent” and “monthly support” but reiterated that they did not have an affair. Just friends…And Herman is a softie about helping people who are out of pocket…Bur wait, also, his wife did not know abouf his “friendship” with Ginger until the latter made her press announcement.

I’m sure all of us married men have had 13-year friendships with younger women who need money and paid their rent while just happening not to mention it to our wives.

All I can say is that anyone who believes this tale is, to put it kindly, credulous.

    Tamminator in reply to JEBurke. | December 1, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Where’s the link to the story that says Herman Cain’s wife didn’t know? I’d like to see that story.
    And here’s a great article that you may want to read about friendships between men and women. I have at least 3 good male friends, and my husband doesn’t mind in the least. In fact, some of them are his best buds!

      JEBurke in reply to Tamminator. | December 2, 2011 at 1:18 am

      Jeez, you must be living in a cave. It is not an “article that says” his wife did not know. Herman said it in a New Hampshire Union-Leader interview and repeated several times on various Fox shows when asked.

      Here is the link to the Union-Leader. At the link, you will find another link to video of the interview so you can see ol’ Herman actually speak the words.

      In the future, try to keep up.

    janitor in reply to JEBurke. | December 1, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    I’m sure all of us married men have had 13-year friendships with younger women who need money and paid their rent while just happening not to mention it to our wives.

    I can’t help having similar thoughts.

Herman Cain is not a saint. He is probably a sinner. I hope he is not too big a sinner. But Cain most of all is a chump.

Why? He’s a black man who is naively challenging a black, sitting President whose only talent is slinging mud. Obama, according to reports, has already written off the white working class and has pinned his reelection hopes on a coalition of black and Latino voters. Cain was an obvious threat to that coalition.

We’re chumps too if we believe such a threat would not attract Axelrod’s attention. Whether the most experienced, political, sexual hit man in the country (see Ann Coulter’s article) saw an opportunity and seized it or made the whole Cain mutiny up out of whole cloth is almost irrelevant.

The scary point is Axelrod’s methods work on an American public steeped in celebrity, gossip and reality-show titillation. Sex sells and scandal breaks politicians as efficiently as my cats break Christmas tree ornaments.

Maybe Allen West is right. Maybe it’s time we move on. The Cain thing is getting stale. Axelrod, the media and the American public are no doubt stoked for another salacious scandal.

So chumps, the suspense is killing me. Who’s next?

Newt? He’s had an interesting marital history. My guess, though, is that Allen West had better be careful what he wishes for. West has said he’s willing to run as Newt’s VP. West better hope he’s got videotape of every closed door meeting he’s ever had with a female junior officer.

As soon as her story begins to fall apart or show signs of being untrue, they will trot out the next accuser and annonymous tipsters.

The media WILL NOT spend any air time circulating the facts of how the prior accusers were completely bogus, but will instead put the NEXT bogus accuser on an endless loop.

BTW- this is exactly how bogus accusations work in family court. The mom can throw bogus accusations at the wall all day long, and the dad goes broke proving they are false. Based on what I see as a champion of father’s rights, Cain is screwed.

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Cain’s already outed himself as a liar. I had a list of his lies within the first three days after the Politico story broke – and he had ten days to get his story straight (unless you believe he just had too many sexual misconduct allegations in his past to know which ones the story might be about). It was over a dozen, IIRC, all self-serving.

I remember the ones about the settlements at NRA pretty clearly, though, because as I watched him that Monday appearing everywhere to fight the story, I first realized he was just lying.

First, he said he knew nothing about any settlements. Then he said “If they did, I hope it wasn’t much because nothing happened.”

Then he said there had been settlements, but they were just standard severance pay the women would have gotten anyway, 2-3 months salary.

Then he said he first claimed there were no settlements because he didn’t think of them as “settlements,” he thought of them as “agreements,” because that’s what they are called in business. (With a straight face, even Bill Clinton was impressed on that one).

Then he said that as CEO of the trade association, he had no specific knowledge of the terms of employee settlements – even though they were based on misconduct claims against him personally.

Now, if you are gullible enough to believe any of that pack of lies, I suppose there is no point discussing the matter with you further.

Enjoy your Kool Aid.

    JEBurke in reply to Estragon. | December 2, 2011 at 1:32 am

    The man is proving to be one of the most shameless liars ever to run for office. Considering that career politicians are professional liars and this is Herman’s first run for office, he may be setting some sort of record. Then again, his lying is so transparent and his and his “campaign’s” serial silly responses so chaotic and amateurish that it makes you sort of admire how smoothly the pros do it!

    In any case, you are right about the Kool Aid going around. Ginger could release a video of her in bed with Herman and his fans wouldn’t even lose a beat. It would be a doctored tape or it would be a Herman look alike or they would shift to taking the it’s-only-sex line or something else. In 24 hours, they would be back to demandjng REAL PROOF in all caps.

Okay, sports fans, you are good with statistics, so riddle me this: What percentage of married men who carry on a 13+ year “friendship” with another woman and regularly “help her out financially” over that period of time and keep both the friendship and the money secret from their wives actually did nothing wrong?

Perform your calculations NOW.

Okay, time’s up! Did you remember to carry the bum?

I am embarrassed for all the intelligent and educated Cain supporters who blindly accept the crap they are being fed.

Since I believe that the affair never happened his not telling his wife about helping her and others, indicates the lack of significance of this woman, not an effort to conceal. This woman claims that she attended the Tyson/Holyfield fight with him during their 13 year affair. The last T/H fight occurred 14.5 years ago (28 Jun 1997). All people, but especially stupid ones who lie should research the facts they use to bolster those lies.