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If this is what passes for victory

If this is what passes for victory

As mentioned earlier, the Obama administration and media are touting Gaddafi’s overthrow as a great foreign policy victory.

But Gaddafi’s body has hardly gone cold, and Libya already has a strict Islamist government, see all the links at MemeorandumAndrew Sullivan also rounds up some of the related horrors, such as the execution of pro-Gaddafi civilians.

NATO’s military and special forces disposed of a tyrant by exceeding the U.N. mandate, under the guise of protecting civilians.  And the result is not a wind of freedom blowing across the North African desert, but likely generations of religious tyranny.

Just like in Egypt, we were very good at forcing out the tyrant, but completely negligent in helping plan the future which would result from our actions.

I’m not sure how much more of these types of victories we can stand.


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RefudiateObama2012 | October 24, 2011 at 1:06 pm

The caliphate is growing. Glenn Beck has been right all along.

Cassandra Lite | October 24, 2011 at 1:15 pm

What’s the problem? The important thing is that the Zionist entity isn’t adding housing units to its suburbs.

There IS no victory in the Middle East. If they have democracy, they vote to persecute Christians and Jews. If they have a dictatorship, the dictator maintains control by appealing to the people’s hatred of Christians and Jews.

There is no hope. All we can do is 1.) Drill in Alaska; 2.) Ignore the Middle East.

I R A Darth Aggie | October 24, 2011 at 1:24 pm

Pyrrhus of Epirus is on line 1…

Obama’s foreign policy: dig a hole and see what fills it. Can’t wait to see how that works out in Iraq.

This is exactly why we should stay out of Syria too.

Assad, like Gaddafi, is a monster.

If we depose him, the Muslim Brotherhood will take over. About 10% of the population is Christian, 13% are Shia (including the Alawites – the Sect Assad belongs to). Once Assad is gone, the Christians and Shia, particularly the Alawites, will suffer greatly.

When Muslims tell western reporters they want to be ‘free’, the reporters assume they want to establish a liberal, European style social-democracy. They have no concept of such a thing. What they mean is: they want to be free to impose Sharia Law.

Obama has replaced an aging impotent dictator with an Islamic Republic. This is a major catastrophe. He is trying to pretend its a victory – and the media will do everything they can to help.

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This was never about victory for freedom and self determination. The Great Taquiyya in Chief of the USA is doing exactly what he intended to do. Create havoc in the ME, weaken and hopefully destroy Israel and force America from having any influence in that part of the world. Touche Barry!

Well, we seem to be very good about bitching when things go wrong. But we really need a coherent dogma on how we would like these things taken care of. Do we support the tyrant when they may be more “stable,” sit back and watch, or send troops in every time and make sure the resulting government plays nice? It bugs me that we don’t seem to know what we would do in this situation and it is unacceptable to sit back and throw rocks at Obama when things go bad without an alternative. We’re the ones who will have to make these decisions in the future, likely sooner rather than later.

Subotai Bahadur | October 24, 2011 at 3:42 pm

If there is not a Latin saying to the effect that: “Consistency in results reveals consistency of actual intent.”; there should be.

While the Duck of Death was at best something that normal people would scrape off of their shoe; he had made relative peace with us and the West years before. He had turned over his nuclear weapons program to us, and ceased supporting terrorism as far as we could tell. I will grant that he had threatened an oil embargo against the EU after they insulted him publicly, but had not done so.

Within the limited range of possibilities that can be defined as success for American foreign policy in the Middle East; that was a success for American interests.

Similarly for Tunisia and Egypt. Tunisia is now under the control of the Muslim Brotherhood. Egypt is under control of the Muslim Brotherhood and/or Al Quada; and Egyptian ground forces are in the Sinai and their air forces patrolling overhead in violation of the Camp David Treaty with Israel. All this after Obama supported the overthrow of the rulers who made up that success.

Those states who actively threaten and sponsor attacks on ourselves and our allies, q.v. Turkey, Syria and Iran; are treated with kid gloves.

The rational conclusion is that the result in Libya is consistent with the intended result of the White House. And that the dispersal of anti-aircraft missiles, munitions, and possibly the Duck’s as yet unaccounted for stock of nerve agents and mustard gas to terrorist groups [at least Hamas in Gaza for some of the missiles] is just lagniappe.

From his point of view, he is winning. And we will see much more of this.

Subotai Bahadur

nordic_prince | October 24, 2011 at 3:46 pm

What never ceases to amaze me is how some people seem to think that the new devil that gets into power will be any better than the old devil. History is replete with examples of this downward spiral: from the shah of Iran to the ayatollahs, from Chiang Kai-shek to Mao Tse-tung, from Kim Il-sung to Kim Jong-il, and so on – when has the new guy *ever* been an improvement over the old one?

I’m afraid Santayana’s axiom will be proven anew not only in Egypt, but now Libya as well.

Boys and Girls —

Let’s not forget the 20,000 (+/–) shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles that “disappeared” during the revolution. At least with what’s-his-name in power, those SAMs were secure.

You think Gunwalker was bad; wait until these missiles take a walk. How long will it be before a U.S. or EL AL airliner gets whacked?

Just sayin’

This administration is breaking anvils. Break an anvil once, it could be a mistake. Break two anvils, it could be that one is really inept. To break as many anvils as this crowd has, it’s evil intent.