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Erick Erickson is going to have to make a better case for Gov. Perry than this

Erick Erickson is going to have to make a better case for Gov. Perry than this

Perry’s high profile supporters do him no favors by acting like children.  (h/t reader Charles)


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Yeah. The sniping is irritating. As is all the crying poor over her waiting. God, aren’t we sick of the perpetual campaign? I for one am glad she is waiting, and the wisdom of it becomes clearer and clearer as the candidates rise and fall.

Greta was all smiles about SOMETHING the other night…

    Rosalie in reply to Rose. | September 30, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    I agree. If Christie throws his hat in the ring, he’s going to get his turn at being vetted, and good luck to that.

The Underground Conservative | September 30, 2011 at 2:56 pm

Now we have more Cocktail Party GOPers pushing Huckabee to get in the race. Great. Huckabee is right on pro-life, wrong on just about everything else. Big Nanny Stater, defended Moochelle’s Nanny State campaign against criticism from Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh.

2nd Ammendment Mother | September 30, 2011 at 3:03 pm

I agree, it’s pretty childish and goes against my belief that we’re doing ourselves no favors by beating up on our strongest voices. Even if she’s not in, she’s going to be a powerful cheerleader for whoever is the nominee.

Rent Free…

Guys, she’s not playing (as Ace puts it) some 4 dimensional chess game- politics and events are simply too fluid for anyone to have some 14 step master plan that doesn’t become obsolete every week and a half. Ace had a pretty good post on this earlier today. She’s simply found herself in a fix. She’s built up a following of devoted supporters who’ve backed her with a lot of time, money, and effort, who expect her to run, and she feels like she owes it to them. She’s also looking at the polls, both public and internal, and knows that her numbers are toxic with independents, and fairly grim with Republican primary voters to boot. So does she toss her supporters a bone and get into a primary race she’s going to lose and suffer all the lost prestige and influence that goes with such a loss, or does she disappoint all these diehards and stay out, saving herself from a degree of embarrassment and all the MSM triumphalism at her defeat?

I think this past spring and summer she thought she could turn things around with voters, and that she’d be drafted. It hasn’t happened, so she’s stuck with a lot of raised expectations, while at the same time, poll numbers that are either worsening, or at best, stagnant.

All the options are crappy, so why decide today what you can put off till tomorrow? Especially when unforeseen events might save her from even having to make a decision?

    RefudiateObama2012 in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    You might want to take another look at some of the polls. In some of the state polls, she beats Obama with the Indies.

      Cowboy Curtis in reply to RefudiateObama2012. | September 30, 2011 at 3:55 pm

      In what polls, by what companies? Are any of them in states that the Republicans wouldn’t carry even if they ran a one-eyed badger?

        Juba Doobai! in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 8:31 pm

        So Palin is living rent free in your head and you are trying to tell us what’s going on in hers? Your speculation is non productive and your assessment of her electoral chances are way off base. But, she’s told you she’s in a fix so none of that matters. Nice.

    workingclass artist in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    @Pasedena Phil

    The Bush money people are looking at 1980 only harsher with higher stakes.

    This election will be about the economy.

Palin made the end of September a rough timeline for when she would clear up her intentions so as not to “string along her supporters.” She’d only be stringing along her supporters if she wasn’t running by dragging it out. So by the fact that she hasn’t clarified that she’s not running by the date she gave, couldn’t we take it that she isn’t stringing her supporters along and could be running?

    I have never doubted that she IS running but she just hasn’t declared her candidacy yet. I follow her pretty closely, and nothing to date has changed my mind. I have complete faith in her ability to make her own decisions.

      doombroker in reply to Kitty. | September 30, 2011 at 9:01 pm

      Absolutely. She has never ruled out running, and she has never let me down yet with anything she has said. Her credentials are miles above anyone I see running, except for Cain, who is a like mind. I’ll wait on her till the last day, no worries.

Yeah, Red(Palin Hate)State is pretty well intolerable anymore.

She’s the media’s favorite candidate, that’s for sure.

Sarah Palin. “Rent Free” as @rightConcept says.

Is this all Erick can think about? She must be the name that everyone keeps putting up in his face as the ONLY one who can beat Perry. Otherwise, why the games?

She is also living 24/7 in liberals’ minds, according to Jedediah Bila.

What I remember Sarah Palin saying in that impromptu interview back in Iowa is that the end of September was about right; she also said something about September/October. After Judge Napolitano got her to say “not in the next 24 hours” the other day, anyone thinking person should have known it was not gonna happen today (er, that is directed at you, Erick).

Why stoop to such inane childishness?

Methinks Erick doth protest too much.

    rightConcept in reply to DINORightMarie. | September 30, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    He might as well just move in next door. He’s become pretty unhinged where Palin is concerned.

    If she is so toxic and unelectable as all of these “professional” pundits say, why give her the time of day?


      Cowboy Curtis in reply to rightConcept. | September 30, 2011 at 4:39 pm

      Because he might be concerned, as I am, that Palin diehards are getting so devoted to an individual candidate that a portion of them will sit out the election when she isn’t the nominee. This under-siege, ‘everyone’s against us’ persecution complex that’s developing among some of her supporters is starting to border on tribalism (like among Paul supporters), and it bodes ill for both the party and conservatism, because when she is not the nominee, and she won’t be, it looks increasingly likely that some of them are going to take their ball and go home. And this election is way too important for any of us to want that to happen.

      Or, he thinks there is an outside shot she could win the nomination (I don’t), and he believes, like I do, that she’s a 35 state disaster waiting to happen in the general election.

      Look, I’ve been very open about leaning Perry for a while now. Its not because I think he’s perfect, its because I think he win, and that he’s the most conservative option at the moment who can do. If I thought Palin could reasonably expect to reach 270 electoral votes, I might give her another look. But I don’t, so I see no reason to. Hell, if I thought Cain could do it you could sign me up right now. But I’m going to support, wholeheartedly, whoever ends up being the nominee, because this election is way to important to let some soft-cult of personality feelings mess it up. What I’m increasingly concerned about is that I’m no longer getting that vibe from the Palin faction.

      These are politicians. They aren’t our pals. They are simply vehicles for policy, and there isn’t a one of them that’s the indispensable man. I’m asking that people not get so tied up in liking or loving Candidate X, or busy imagining enemies within their own camp, that they take their eye off the prize- Obama leaving office in January 2013.

        spiritof61 in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 4:54 pm

        It’s okay, cowboy. We get it. Palin supporters are cultists just like the Ronulans. You made your inane point; you can go now.

        Palin has already said ABO! So I think she’ll do whatever it takes to help the ultimate nominee if she doesn’t run.

        rightConcept in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 8:38 pm

        I am a “diehard”. I am waiting for her to tell me what she is doing. If she tells me she is out, then I will consider another candidate. Until then, Palin s my gal and I will hope she gets in.

          doombroker in reply to rightConcept. | September 30, 2011 at 9:08 pm

          What is it specifically about Sarah’s views that you don’t like anyway, Curtis? If she makes it in the primaries, do you see yourself writing in Perry or something, because it will be that, vote Dem, or stay home. If she makes it past the primaries, and you are going to vote Republican, she will be the one you’ll be voting for in all probability.

Funny how people have b&m for months about how annoying Palin supporters are – how the Palinistas will drive away anyone on the fence about supporting her.

Maybe Erickson should consider that he’s doing exactly the same thing for Perry – my attitude toward Perry has gone from “hmm let me see what he’s about ” to “good grief not only does he fall all over his tongue when he debates but his supporters are a-holes.”

Forgot to add – you know if Perry were to get the nomination supporters like Erickson will fully expect Palin to work to convince her supporters to fall in line and support him.

    Cowboy Curtis in reply to katiejane. | September 30, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Shouldn’t we all be expecting/demanding those who support the losing candidates to support the eventual nominee, whoever it might be? I know the Paul supporters have a history of throwing their little temper tantrums, but I would hope Palin supporters are a bit more clear-headed. I thought the objective was to get Obama out of office, not get Obama out of office only if my guy/gal is the one who’ll replace him.

      katiejane in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 4:38 pm

      There are consequences to calling people fools & idiots for months. There is a difference between voting for the nominee and going full court press for a candidate you don’t like. There are a couple of GOP candidates that I would not vote for – I would sit the election out because IMO they are no better than Obama.

        Cowboy Curtis in reply to katiejane. | September 30, 2011 at 4:42 pm

        And that’s exactly why there’s so much hostility to this growing Cult of Sarah.

        And if RS and the like are who you’re angry at, why take it out on the eventual nominee, or the American people for that matter? Ultimately its the latter that will be the real losers if Obama is elected.

          katiejane in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 5:15 pm

          If people like Erickson are big blog players in GOP politics you’d think they – and YOU – would be smart enough to realize that the way to keep the Palin supporters in the fold is NOT to insult them and the person they support.
          You and Eric apparently are so worried that the Palin base won’t be good little voters that you’ll beat on them until the nominee is ultinmately chosen and then you’ll be surprised if the Palin supporters aren’t eager to help.

          Bottom line – STOP CALLING PALIN SUPPORTERS STUPID CULTISTS if you want us to come around and support the nominee if it’s not Palin. Do we call most of you liars when you pretend that you’d support Palin if she got nominated?

          The GOP wouldn’t want any committed supporters who will donate money and time, slog through the snow in NH and Iowa, attend caucuses, car pool other people, go door to door, hand out leaflets, raise money, man the phones, make phone calls from home, proselytize voters, defend and support their candidate, become dedicated volunteers, write letters to the editor, argue positions, derail attacks, face down the MSM, attend rallies, register and vote, and mobilize a vigorious GOTV operation.

          No what the GOP should do according to you is denigrate and insult these people. And you talk about losing.

          Cowboy Curtis in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 7:22 pm

          Nothing illustrates a well considered and dispassionate argument like all caps.

          I’m not a blogger, I didn’t call anyone stupid, and I didn’t even tell you not to support the woman. And why wouldn’t I support any republican nominee over Obama? (Well, Ron Paul would give me some pause, given, you know, that he’s more than a little crazy)

          I do, however, have to look on with some amazement as a certain stripe of conservatives fall over themselves in devotion to a politician. Not just her ideas or positions, but the actual individual herself. And it isn’t because I’ve never seen it before, its because I have- in 2008. So I find myself stunned to see people so critical of the Cult of Obama, and that’s what it was, coalescing into similar mindset about their candidate of choice. It was a bad idea when people did it for Andrew Jackson, for FDR, for Obama, and its a bad idea with Palin. These are politicians, they’re not the physical embodiment of virtue or all you hold dear. She isn’t your mom, your sister, or your grandmother, she’s a person you’ve never met, who doesn’t know your name, who runs for political office. All of this personal loyalty is unwarranted, for her or any other politician. And honestly, I think this sort of loyalty to a politician, any politician, is bad for a republic. We should be profoundly skeptical of anyone seeking the powers of office, not enthralled by them.

          katiejane, no one called you “stupid cultists” and certain not in caps (denoting shouting). I would consider you more like petulent children throwing your adoration at a female Piped Piper who does nothing but give you speeches full of red meat platitudes.

          Do you not think that the comments here, and elsewhere, by Palin supporters are just a little bit overboard? Comments like those who think she is giving coded messages to her adoring fans that she is running because she showed up on Greta’s show in a “running” suit? My God, how far do you people have to stretch reality?

          She was clear that she would give y’all her decision by the end of September. Well, it’s the end of September, and Sarah is MIA. And you seem to think that you Palinistas are the only ones entitled to support a candidate, in your case, a non-candidate. So you bash RS because Erik makes note that Sarah is, still, MIA.

          But continue to fund her. She doesn’t have to account for the money you send her because she is not bound by FEC rules as a non-candidate. She can continue to ride around in her bus, organized for her by Greta’s tort lawyer husband, and take your money. She can sit in her chair, and Monday morning quarterback, and you will eat it up like pudding.

          Get it through your heads; Palin is NOT a saint, she’s not Jeanne D’Arc, she is a living, breathing person and you radicals are no better than the Obamabots. Same action, different person.

          Why don’t you ask the good professor why he never complains about comments on the other candidates? Ummmmm?

          Cowboy you and retireo5 are definitely Perry-krishnas. Labeling Palin supporters cultists by you 2 cultists is a laugh. You Perry-krishnas need Palins’s supporters and you have alienated them by all your name calling. It is your own fault that your candidate will not get the nomination. Next election maybe you will think again before you start a war within the party. Now you will have to suffer the consequences for behaving like children. Sorry but you have to pay for your sins.

          rightConcept in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 8:42 pm

          @Cowboy.. you are kidding yourself if you think Erickson’s latest unhinged rant on Palin isn’t motivated my his devotion to Rick Perry. He’s a Perrypusher and Palin is a threat to Perry should she get in.

          Cowboy Curtis in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 8:57 pm

          JRD, thank you for so eloquently illustrating everything I’ve been talking about today in a single, small comment. You even managed to fit in Divine retribution. Hats off.

          JRD, I traveled (on a damn bus, no less) from Houston to Washington, D.C. to hear Palin speak. I was clearly in her camp. No longer.

          I think she is yanking everyone’s chain. And I don’t like that. She has dissed almost everyone she ever campaigned for, except the RINO McCain.

          Unlike you, I can admit that Rick Perry has some flaws. You see, in Texas, we don’t participate in hero worship.

          Cowboy Curtis in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 9:08 pm

          rightConcept, I wouldn’t know, I only visit RS a few times a week.
          As for Palin being a threat to Perry, well, I think she would snuff out the Bachmann and Santorum campaigns. She might hurt Cain a bit, then eventually a lot, because he’s got a habit of doing really awesome and then saying something that gets him in trouble. Folks who are for Newt aren’t going to her, and I doubt she takes anything from Perry or Romney. Those two guys will rise or fall by their own performances.

          You guys act like I’m telling you I hope she won’t run, when the fact is, I’m not. I simply don’t care. Hell, at this point I kinda hope she does, just so we can be done with the drama. All she’s going to do is eat up votes from second and third tier candidates and vie with Ron Paul for third place in these contests.

          rightConcept in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 9:12 pm

          @retire05… not to nitpic, but the question posed to Palin was whether September/OCTOBER was a good time to decide.

          People like Erickson don’t make me mad, they do have me scratching my head at times. We all know he likes Perry and he is behaving exactly like the “cultists” he derides.

          Palin will either get in the race or she won’t. I don’t feel she is stringing me along one bit because the election is 14 months out. Plenty of time to see what happens in the primaries.

          And lets face it. If Palin had entered the race earlier, the other candidates would never have been thoroughly vetted.

          rightConcept in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 9:16 pm

          @retire05.. I will be very curious to see your reaction when Palin announces she is in and is not “yanking everyone’s chain”.

      Juba Doobai! in reply to Cowboy Curtis. | September 30, 2011 at 8:39 pm

      RINO’s don’t have a record of doing this. If Palin is the nominee, will Christie, who has been dismissive of her, support her? I don’t think so. The RINO’s are doing everything they can to undermine her and Christie has already very publicly done his bit. I’ll vote third party before I vote RINO because, with RINO’s, we’ll get to the same place Obama is taking us, just a little bit slower.

        Why would any one back Palin when her own people in Iowa says that if she doesn’t get in, they won’t back anyone else?

        You are asking others to do what Palin people are not willing to do.

          Juba Doobai! in reply to retire05. | September 30, 2011 at 9:11 pm

          RINOs have a proven track record of abandoning the norm of supporting the victorious candidate. It was CowboyCurtis who was whining about whether Palinistas would support a victorious RINO. If we cannot depend on you all to support our victorious Conservative candidate, as she will be, do not expect reciprocity from us. That is the history of the GOP; use Conservatives and then tell us to get lost when the GOP is in power. In 2010, that abuse manifested itself in open RINO warfare against and refusal to support Conservative candidates. The reward for that is going to come back to you all. We don’t owe you all jack. We owe the country a candidate grounded in the Constitution and who will seek the people’s interests. So, go ahead and bad mouth our candidate. Go ahead and do everything to undermine her when she wins. We don’t care because we never expected otherwise from RINO’s. In return, we will take our votes and our money and give them to people who respect us and will implement policies that will serve us instead of the political machine.

My two cents: I believe Gov. Palin has consistently indicated that the September timeframe would be that by which she would REACH her decision as to whether to run, not that she would ANNOUNCE her decision by that timeframe.

I understand that ‘Red State 4 Perry’ doesn’t like the treat that a Palin candidacy poses, but why the obsession? Unless….unless they realize their candidate is sinking fast.

    mdw9661 in reply to mdw9661. | September 30, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    s/b threat

    workingclass artist in reply to mdw9661. | September 30, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Palin continues to collect money for a presidential candidacy that will not happen. Some folks see that as a problem.

      There is no doubt you are aware SarahPAC raises campaign funds for Conservative candidates running for Senate and House seats?

      Palin has not yet raised funds for her presidential run so why do people have a problem?

    retire05 in reply to mdw9661. | September 30, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Why the obsession of Palinistas over someone who is not even a one term governor and who had not achieved anything in the last 2 1/2 years but hire a bus driver?

      rightConcept in reply to retire05. | September 30, 2011 at 9:20 pm

      You claim you were Palin supporter but this comment right here puts the lie to that.

      If you don’t know why conservatives are excited about her, I just don’t know what to tell you. But spouting the left’s talking points is not helping your cause.

        Sorry, my excitement about Palin dissapated a long time ago. Had she not resigned her office, had she actually done something besides yap about “positive change”, had she actually promoted certain legislation, had she gotten in the race two months ago, I might have supported her.

        But her treatment of Christine O’Donnell, her bashing not Perry, but my entire damn state, that did it for me.

          rightConcept in reply to retire05. | September 30, 2011 at 10:16 pm

          So in other words you really don’t know anything about her resume. Well just say so.

          I know you are aware that just about every criticism commonly voiced about Perry hasd been snatched out the echo chamber and repeated mindlessly, even though it is misinterpreted, elided, or just plain wrong. The TX so-called DREAM thing, for example. (Which you have well explained and rightly defended.)

          Has it occurded to you that the criticisms of Palin are in exactly the same boat and equally specious? The “Quitter” thing, for example?

          You ably defend Perry but you speciously attack Palin — just as the Palin partisans do the opposite.

          Is it too much to ask that both sides grow up here?

She may decide to be a candidate. If she does, then people may vote for her in the primary. If she is selected, we should vote for her in the general. The rest, including juvenile games to promote a preferred candidate at the expense of another, is so lame; and, in the meantime, she is a private citizen, who has not expressed any ambition of leading this nation.

It seems that Perry’s supporters should be more concerned about his advocacy and promotion of a selective rule of law. This has a long history in America (and the world), and while some people conveniently ignore history, many others do not.

It’s one thing to pass a “Dream Act” for the children of illegal aliens; but, was it a compromise in order to remove incentive from progressive displacement of American men, women, and children, or was there an ulterior motive that does not serve the interests of American citizens?

Red State passed its expiration date with me a long time ago. The treatment of Jamie Radtke just sealed the deal. Anyone seriously interested in real citizen activism and thoughtful analysis would do better reading many other website, Legal Insurrection being one of the best among them.

By the way: I do plan to vote for the Republican candidate. However, if that candidate is NOT Palin, a lot of the “extras” I may do will be tied into that candidates treatment of her and her supporters. By “extras”, I mean donations, phone-banking, and general grassroots involvement — the very thing that can make or break an election. Calling me a “cultist” for feeling this way is rather like Perry telling audience members they were “heartless” in the last debate — not a very sensible way to get people inspired to go all in for the win.

I guess his strategy is to insult and belittle Palin and her supporters so that they vote for Perry. Not really sure that will turn out the way he expects. Likely be as effective as calling the majority of republican primary voters heartless.

    retire05 in reply to tbobalik. | September 30, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    And C4P is not guilty of the same thing? Seems like everytime I check over there they are bashing one of the other candidates in support for their non-candidate.

      votermom in reply to retire05. | September 30, 2011 at 9:40 pm

      The commenters may bash but none of the C4P frontpagers do.

        retire05 in reply to votermom. | September 30, 2011 at 9:56 pm

        Bull, two weeks ago the front page of C4P had 20 articles on it (I counted them); five of them were bashing Perry and one was bashing Bachmann.

        Tell your tales to your children, not me.

      tbobalik in reply to retire05. | September 30, 2011 at 11:23 pm

      Your going with the they did it first argument? Well, how can I possible respond to such inspired reasoning? Guess I will just have to go with the trusty old grow up please.

      katiejane in reply to retire05. | October 1, 2011 at 9:48 am

      C4P is openly a specific candidate site – it is a Palin site so why wouldn’t the posters there openly favor her.

      Supposedly RedState is a general political site – a conservative site but not dedicated to the support of one specific candidate.

    votermom in reply to tbobalik. | September 30, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    I guess his strategy is to insult and belittle Palin and her supporters so that they vote for Perry. Not really sure that will turn out the way he expects.

    It’s funny – this is exactly how the Obama supporters treated the Hillary supporters in the 2008 primaries – and then they were shocked that half of them went puma.

workingclass artist | September 30, 2011 at 5:43 pm

Palin repeatedly said she would decide at the end of September. Now she says she’ll decide at maybe the end of October or maybe November but please send money to her superpac anyway.


Why does this have to related to Gov. Perry? It’s not.

The countdown illustrates the absurdity of an issue Palin created and continues to exploit.

The GOP is stuck with a “front runner” who can’t get above 24% to save his life and yet most of the candidates are trailing or barely ahead of the most unpopular president in my lifetime in the polls. Speaks volumes about how utterly lame the current field is.

Running a liberal Democrat is the same plan that resulted in Meg Whitman losing to Jerry Brown (the most unpopular politician in CA) last November even after outspending him by 5-6 times over.

The Bush money is panicking because it is becoming almost certain that Obama will not be allowed to run for re-election for lack of money and public outcry by his base. Can any of the many liberals in the Bush RINO stampede beat Hillary? No. The Clinton economy vs the Bush economy is a loser for the GOP. Without Obama in the race, they need a better candidate. Cain is the guy.

Professer, considering the things that your readers have said against other candidate, perhaps you should change the name of this blog to The Pandering For Palin Place.

Eric Erickson is simply obeying his bosses orders to post Redstate’s infantile stuff; Erickson was bought cheap, he hasn’t a say in anything.

I’m fairly disgusted with now. Between Erick Erickson and Moe Lane they are acting like a couple sophomores. Look, I get that people usually don’t view Palin down the middle. You either love her or hate her, but at the end of the day let’s leave the hating to the left. This attack on Palin by Erick is uncalled for. It truly makes me wonder if it’s a woman thing? I can’t ever recall a political figure causing so much irrational behavior in people. Legal insurrection doesn’t cheer lead for Palin, but they do insist on a fair shake for her. Anyhow, maybe it’s just the lack of sleep catching up with Erick today.

I can’t hardly believe this. I posted some comments at stating how childish I though these attacks on Palin were and got banned. I now get “601 Database redigestation error” when I try to go to the site. Honestly, is there any adult in the room at redstate?

The next election 2012 event in all 50 states is the Primary.
I won’t be voting for Christie, Paul, Pawlenty…who else should I name? I won’t be voting for an RNC Establishment candidate. I won’t be voting for a big government keynesian global warming candidate.
I will be voting in the primary for a conservative candidate I think most likely duplicate the recovery from “The Progressive Era” and the deepest 20th Century depression [the 1920 Depression]

Who I’ll vote for in the 2012 General Election is not an answerable or relevant question until after the Convention.

I’ve stayed out of Redstate today but as an interesting and useful reference this piece from HillBuzz [A Palin Partisan]

When have presidential candidates announced their campaigns for the White House?

Retire05 and cowboycurtis are Perry cultists who like to come on and bash Palin. The amazing thing is, had it not been for Palin, Perry would not have won re-election. Retire05, maybe forgetfulness is a problem? Do you remember the 2010 election? Do you remember Palin’s endorsement win rate? She brought the GOP the House and the bastards blamed her for losing them the Senate. Nice going.

Here is what we like about Palin: she has firm principles upon which she bases her policy decisions. She is a rock solid Conservative ands has no Democrat history to bleed through into policy. We know what her policy positions are because she has articulated them clearly, in print and by voice. Perry? Here’s a paper bag, see if you can teach him to talk his way out of it. She has worked hard to spread the Conservative message and raises money to increase the numbers of Conservatives in DC. She thinks of the people as well as of her family, and she has a proven track record of being fiscally prudent with the people’s money. She has been battling Obama since 2008 and has survived every attack he and his lickspittles in the press, including Couric and Gibson, have thrown at her. She is the most vetted candidate in US election history, not even Reagan was vetted like she is. There are no surprises although dirt may be invented to throw at her. She is that rare wo der, like Reagan, an honest and ethical politician.

Now, if you two Perrybots don’t think that a politician like that is not worth supporting, that says more about you than it does about her.

If we are Palinistas it’s because we are fedup of corrupt cronyism in politics (hello, Rick Perry), we are fed up of being lied to, we are fed up of weathervanes masquerading as people serving our interests. We are just plain and simply fed up of what the Perrybots and Christiebots support.

Do you hear us now?

    Are you delusional? Perry was winning elections before anyone knew who Sarah Palin was? And he didn’t need her help, not in the least. So you better check your facts, bubba. And yeah, I remember Palin’s endorsement win rate. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

    If you are so fed up with crony capitalism, then explain how you can back Palin who accepted gubernatorial campaign contributions from a lobbyist? Explain why she chose a lobbyist as her running mate. Explain why she decided to dump the entire cost of vaccinating Alaskan girls with Gardasil on the rest of the nation?

    Now, one thing you can say for Perry, he really tells you like it is, unlike Palin who is going to announce in September, no, wait, maybe October, but then, maybe not until November after it is too late to register for the Michigan primary.

    You are being played like a cheap fiddle. And as long as you bash Perry, I will continue to rail on the Quitter from Alaska.

      Juba Doobai! in reply to retire05. | September 30, 2011 at 9:27 pm

      You were bashing Palin long before I ever said a word about Perry.

      Perry may have won elections in the past, but he danged sure need “the Quitter from Alaska” to help him win the last one. Keep on slinging that mud, dude. Unlike you, we have long memories.

      FYI, Palin, because of Alaskan law, was the strongest gubernatorial executive in the nation, Perry the weakest because of Texan law.

      All your silly questions have been discussed and debunked already on this blog, yet you keep repeating the same old lies. Forgetful? You know she’s no crony capitalist, and you know what she did in Alaska that makes the RINO’s fear that she will destroy their political machine power.

      Perry can tell you like it is because he doesn’t have much to tell you. Palin can both tell you and write it out for you so you can throw it back in her face.

        You have to be smoking crack if you think Perry needed the Quitter from Alaska to help him win against RINO KBH or Sanctuary City Bill White. But just keep telling yourself that, bubba.

        And if you knew your butt from a biscut, you would know that a) the claim is that the Lt.Governor’s office is the strongest in the state and Perry was Lt. Gov for longer than Palin was governor and b) the governor’s office became stronger with Ma Ferguson. If you are going to talk about Texas, learn something about it.

        So taking money from a lobbyist, but not just any lobbyist, and OIL lobbyist, is not “crony” capitalism? You are in the “Solid denial” column.

        Now, perhaps you can tell me what it is exactly that you think Palin has done since she bailed on her office? What legislation did she promote and rallied the troops to support? When did she stand on the steps of the Capitol, giving a presser, telling her adoring fans to vote for this or vote against that?

        How do you justify her association with a Democrat bundler?

        Palin has her own set of warts, even if you refuse to see them.

        And what’s with her not being in touch with her own people in Iowa for the last three weeks? Doesn’t sound like someone who is running to me.

      rightConcept in reply to retire05. | September 30, 2011 at 9:28 pm

      lol 60%+ is “a stopped clock is right twice a day”?

      Palin has quite an accomplished resume. Had you been a supporter as you claimed in this thread, you would know that.

    workingclass artist in reply to Juba Doobai!. | September 30, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Of course when Palin doesn’t run what’s left of her supporters will have a collective tantrum, turn their anger on other candidates(especially Perry) and blame the vast GOP conspiracy instead of looking at the disappointing reality. Politicians aren’t celebrities.

    Nobody can live up to that kind of adoration, I expect it of liberals they make a habit of it building shrines but conservatives?

    Even Reagan was human.

    I really do not understand the whole Palin vs Perry thing, and why people who adhere to one or the other resort to terms like “cultist” and “bot” and feel the need to go picnicking on easch other. I guess this is fun, somehow?

    The truth — the truth of the non-bot, non-cultist, non-insulting variety — is that Perry and Palin are, in all substantive ways, identical. (Well, OK … I think Palin is better looking — there my dumb gratutious comment for the zealots out there. Now, I’ll up the ante by mentioning that my girlfriend can’t make her mind on that point.)

    Now that the zealots have something to chew on, look at the realities.

    Both Perry and Palin are good people and proven effective leaders. Both live in the real world. Both understand the proper role of the government. Both love their country. Both know how to work and what it’s like to have to work; neither is a Pelosi/Hillary/Obama “gimmegimme-daddy, affirmative-action” nut-case.

    Both have a decent handle on fiscal realities; both understand what is strangling our prosperity. Both know how to work with (and deal with) those who disagree with them. Both know how to make tough decisions that many will misunderstand and that will be unpopular, especially with those who are ignorant of the specifics.

    Both are, at heart, honorable; both say what they mean and mean what they say; both abhor the kind of casual corruption that is Obama’s way of life. Both have strong morals but neither is a bigot (again unlike Obama, who has no morals whatsoever and is a dyed-in-the-wool bigot.)

    Either would be a fine President – so much better than the current infestation as to be beyond imagining.

    Of the declared candidates, Perry is the best qualified. (Cain is a very good man and a stirring speaker but his resume IMHO does not well qualify him to be POTUS. Romney is not to be trusted and — at best — is a middle manager type; useful for admin purposes, useless and possibly dangerous as a leader, as he will always more lead than leader.)

    Palin is the best of the undeclared candidates. I read a lot out “Gov. Awesome” but Christie has shown me nothing that makes me take him seriously as POTUS – like Romney, he’s a short-term gov of a state that is pretty insignicant outside its own borders. Christie might well grow in stature, but he’s not there yet.

    Now, I must I know a lot more about Palin, having followed her closely since 2007, than I do about Perry (though I’m a quick study). So I’m somewhat more certain of my evaluation of Palin’s merits than Perry’s. But the bottom line remains: either is fine; both are better than the available alternatives.

    So it’s up to you guys: you can either keep going with your silly rants about “crony-this” and “quitter-that” and make yourself look infantile, or you can face reality and try to do something positive.

    I don’t want to spoil your fun here, but if you want to taken seriously — and not help to elect Obama-lite — both sides need to back off.

    Of course, if you don’t care about that, then by all means, carry on.

TeaPartyPatriot4ever | September 30, 2011 at 8:57 pm

Not only is this guy an idiot, he’s annoying.. lol..

I’ve been disappointed by PJM too as they seem to be pushing Perry big time although I think he’s a supposed to be blogger there. Whatever. They’ve gone after Cain this week.

It’s ironic that all the blogs on the right that have been screeching about Palinistas for so long don’t see how pathetic they sound.

I am a Perry supporter and I can tell you that the elites at Red State have been all swooning over Herman Cain as their savior since the debates. I have never posted a bad thing about Sarah Palin. I think she’s great. I also think that the postings at Red State regarding her not entering the race today were stupid,childish and self-indulgent. However, if you try and voice that opinion at Red State you get banned. Perry is not to blame for this, Erick Ericson is. He has already gotten on the Cain band-wagon bigtime. So, if you are going to choose an inappropriate target to get mad at then at least choose the person Erickson is supporting…Cain. Leave Perry out of this. I appreciate that Sarah Palin has very passionate supporters that care about the country just as much as I do, I would not insult them like this. Hold Erick Ericson responsible for his own mess.

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