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How will it end?

How will it end?

Help me formulate possible answers for a reader poll asking that question.

Considering that some people wanted more than two alternative in the Flash Poll today, I’m taking suggestions.


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a) obama pretends to cave but does some other extra-legal maneuver around the Law

b) Boehner caves and the House accepts a deal with taxes that take place first and cuts later. (meaning no cuts)

c) Obama caves but the Dems in Congress don’t so no deal.

d) Boehner caves and the House revolts. No deal.

e) Boehner strikes a good deal and the House approves but the Senate (either because of Dems or because of RINOS (McCain, Snowe, Graham etal)

f) Deadlock and we all get to experience what a default amounts to for the future.

I’ll let you make those choices more succinct.

My guess is e or f.

    Kerrvillian in reply to jakee308. | July 11, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    jakee308 accurately predicts “b) Boehner caves and the House accepts a deal with taxes that take place first and cuts later. (meaning no cuts)”

    Sorry, Mr. Jacobson, that’s likely the outcome.

    Boehner talks a good game but when push comes to shove he’s a RINOs RINO.

    The Democrats play hardball while the Republicans play whiffle ball.

    Let’s look at what would happen if the Republicans actually got their stated way. There would be actual cuts that would prove to be hugely popular with the American voters. Something would be done about the deficit and soon there would be a balanced budget with Congress not spending more than they take in.

    That runs counter to what Boehner and company want.

I’m hoping that Boehner walks away from any deal that does not include an agreement to cap future spending, guarantees at least $4 trillion of spending, contains no tax increases and provides to reduce the debt ceiling to a specific, much lower debt level as it is paid down.

If he doesn’t, and this may be an even better outcome, then the compromise should be voted down in the House together with a signed letter by a large majority of Republicans, those that actually want to get re-elected next year, for the entire GOP House leadership to step down.

I believe there will be a very bad deal at the last minute when both sides will declare they did their best but this is the best they can do.

Let’s defy the August 2 deadline and dare Obama to default on US debt. Default is one option. Surrender is the other. After all, it was good enough for the Nazis and Japanese in WWII and this is every bit as much a threat to our freedom and WWII was.

Sorry left off part of e == Senate votes no on deal.

Yikes, another word missing in my comment.

“I’m hoping that Boehner walks away from any deal that does not include an agreement to cap future spending, guarantees at least $4 trillion of spending CUTS,…

Barack Obama will raise his one billion dollars in campaign funds and then drop out of the race, leaving the Democrats without a candidate. He also will mentally check out of the presidency, citing emotional distress, and let his wife and Valerie Jarrett run things using Woodrow Wilson’s illness as a justification. The DNC will draft Rahm Emmanuel to run in his place with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz as VP.

The GOP will nominate the dog from the “Maple Bacon” Youtube video with the cat that barks like a dog for VP; they will win in a landslide.

(If you meant “How will the debt negotiations end?” then my answer is: Boehner hold firm, but only because he sees the citizenry lighting their torches and sharpening their pitchforks. Being blind to the doings of the general populace, Obama will continue to demand tax increases. August will come; so will September. Geithner will be forced to do some actual work to keep the bills paid, and the USA will muddle through again. Short version: same old, same old.)

    That’s what I’ve been saying. He’ll keep running until the GOP nominates its best Democrat, “the only one who can beat Obama”, and then pull a switcheroo by nominating Hillary.

    The GOP needs to nominate a bona fide conservative Republican rather than again select someone who is really close to the Dem on issues but represents the “lesser of two evils”, the “not Obama” candidate.

Coloring a bit outside the lines, I question if BHO were to be charged in a court of law of being an educated, well-spoken and intelligent alumnus of Harvard Law School would there be sufficient evidence to convict? Beyond a reasonable doubt?

Boehner stiffly holding position with a hard stance on taxes, begins to soften after repeated manipulations by Obama’s slippery grip on the facts.


A compromise is worked out that nobody is really happy with. It doesn’t matter, because Obumbler vetoes it anyway, thinking he can bluff his way through a shut-down and score some campaigning points by hanging it on the Republicans. Disaster ensues.

Another question, “When will it end?” August 2nd is three weeks away, but we all know it an ‘artificial’ date. I can’t remember, but did the Prez mention he wanted them to meet every day (including weekends) until resolved ?

“He also will mentally check out of the presidency”

wcgreen, the Prof is talking about future events, not something that’s already happened. 🙁

Oops – I was sure I closed the italics after “future.”

Wish there were a preview feature.

“Oh, yeah. Oooh, ahhh, that’s how it always starts. Then later there’s running and screaming.”
– Dr. Ian Malcolm, The Lost World: Jurassic Park (1997)

Not sure if you like “joke” options, but this quote seemed appropriate to me.

I’m not interested in making conjecture about the outcome of the budget talks. What I hope happens is that Boehner and the Republicans get some balls and simply walk out and say that Obama is simply not negotiating in good faith, but instead, he is playing political games and trying to manipulate the negotiations for his political gain to the detriment of our nation. That way they could place the blame squarely where it belongs – on the charlatan. Then let Obama try to spin his way out of that very clear statement of fact.

To follow malclave’s theme,”This thing will get out of hand and we’ll be lucky to live through it.”

common tater | July 12, 2011 at 12:15 am

Whatever happens/ doesn’t happen by Aug 2, it’ll be de fault of one side or the other.

The Nuanced Leftist Pseudo-Professorial not saying what he means Obama

DINORightMarie | July 12, 2011 at 7:37 am

My crystal ball says:

Boehner will not accept a deal where ANY taxes are raised (no closed loopholes, etc., either). He has seen what the Dems have done in the past, and he understands that trap, how it will be used against him and all Republicans.

He will not allow a tax or “revenue” increase that will kill jobs. (Do you get his tweets on Twitter? Any and all tweets are about #jobs. That is what he ran on in Ohio, and that is his priority.) Even with his RINOish ways, he will not cave on this – because he wants to be reelected, and because he knows this ploy from his past time in the House. Been there. Done that. Once burned, etc…..

August 2nd will come, and…no deal. Should the current “$2B in cuts” deal emerge, Reid will kill it; the House will vote down any compromise that increases “revenue” off the backs of small jobs creators, i.e. those pesky loopholes everyone keeps bringing up. (You know….like my mortgage tax deduction, my children/dependent deduction – those are the “loopholes” the are taking about, folks – not those “eeeeevil ‘millionaires and billionaires’. It’s you and me who they are targeting to gouge; the ‘millionaires and billionaires’ is class warfare BS).

When August 2nd comes, there will be no resulting “crisis” crash. The debt issue will then have to be addressed using the Constitution’s outlined priorities (which is Sarah Palin has been saying, BTW). Obama and the Dems will demagogue the issue, but Boehner, Canter, McConnell, DeMint and many others will take the message to the people – online, at town halls, and via new media. They will get on Fox News (which is being quite liberal these days….hmmmmm), and a majority of the people will see that the squeaky wheel Dems are just Chicken Littles. (Except for those MSNBC watcher-types, who will never believe the truth, anyway.)

As Rush said on-air, they want this issue over before Aug. 2nd. Why that date? Could it be because they don’t want those town halls to be flooded with people saying, “Don’t cave! We’ve got your back! No deal!”? There is no real pressure for Boehner to cave, not from his constituents and base. It is the media, the Dems, that are turning the screws.

OT, but related: There is SO MUCH material the Republicans can use to advertise, illustrating the lying, hypocritical, demagoguing leftist liberal Democrats’ (redundant, I know, but they need to be ID’d clearly) tactics. This is yet another example of: “see – they said the world would end if they didn’t get their way….wrong again!”

This is just more fodder – if Republicans are smart enough to see it and use it.

The question reminds me of a bit of dialog….

Emperor Turhan: I would very much like to have seen a Vorlon.
[he closes his eyes; when he reopens them, Kosh is standing over him]
Emperor Turhan: How will this end?
Kosh: In fire.

Juba Doobai! | July 12, 2011 at 9:49 am

Boehner caves and weeps.
Obama blames Boehner for raising taxes on the middle class.

The dispute right now is between the crazy Dems who do not care if the whole world burns, as long as they can soak somebody for new taxes, and the Republicans who actually care about what happens to the country. I predict a small face-saving cave on the part of the Republicans in exchange for the cooperation of some rational Dems who are trapped in a metaphorical burning house by their crazy leaders.

End result: A large spending cut in existing and future budgets with a token tax increase. The token tax increase will be treated as Godzilla by both the far left and right, and many gallons of ink and billions of electrons will lose their lives in the struggle, but at least the country will survive.

Thought experiment: If the Dems still had a majority in the House, and 2/3 in the Senate, how would they treat this?

(Russ, you beat me to the quote, darnit )