Israel to ease self-defense gun restrictions after Jerusalem synagogue attack
Attack with a pistol, meat clevers and knives went on until police arrived and shot Palestinian perpetrators
Two East Jerusalem Arabs attacked a synagogue in Jerusalem during morning prayers, using meat clevers, knives and a pistol to kill the Rabbi and three worshipers.
The NY Times reports that all four were Rabbis.
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HEARTBREAKING PHOTO:
– R' Moshe Twersky (60)
– R' Kalmen Levin (55)
– R' Avram Goldberg (68)
– R' Arye Kupinsky (43) pic.twitter.com/fRdpiKNdXf
— Israel News Feed (@IsraelHatzolah) November 18, 2014
The Washington Post reports:
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused Palestinian leaders of inciting violence and promised to “respond harshly.” In the Palestinian-controlled Gaza Strip, calls over loudspeakers praised the attackers.
In East Jerusalem, crowds hurled stones at Israeli police fanning out around the neighborhood where the attackers lived.
The Associated Press, citing Israeli police, said those killed included one Briton and three Americans — among them Rabbi Moshe Twersky, who taught at an English-speaking religious school in Jerusalem and was a member of one of the most respected families in Orthodox scholarship….
Twersky’s grandfather, Joseph Soloveitchik, was a renowned Boston rabbi, and his father, Rabbi Yitzhak (Isadore) Twersky, was longtime director of The Center for Jewish Studies at Harvard.
Twersky’s brother, Mayer Twersky, one of the heads of Yeshiva University in New York, the flagship American school for Jewish Orthodox studies.
Here is raw video of the police shooting the perpetrators, and of the victims of the attack:
Hamas and other Palestinians celebrated.
I'm watching family members of the terrorist cousins speak in support of the massacre, asking "Give us more" (murdered people). #Jerusalem
— Becky Griffin (@dorothyofisrael) November 18, 2014
'SICKENING.' Photos of Gazans celebrating today's terror attack in Jerusalem http://t.co/EI0wiLlZXK
— TwitchyTeam (@TwitchyTeam) November 18, 2014
Palestinians on social media are vowing more such attacks:
In no time, this poster is distributed all over Palestinian social media, it reads "This is the way from now on":.. pic.twitter.com/MwQXtyH3C7
— Mudar Zahran (@Mudar_Zahran) November 18, 2014
This is reminiscent of the machete attack in London:
In response, Israel will ease its severe restrictions on carrying guns for self-defense.
The Times of Israel reports:
Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch pledged to ease controls on carrying weapons for self-defense after a gruesome terrorist attack at a Jerusalem synagogue that left four dead Tuesday
It was not clear exactly what new measures would be put in place, but it was reported that the move would apply to anyone licensed to carry a gun, such as private security guards and off-duty army officers.
The Jerusalem Post reports:
A spokesperson for Aharonovitch said that the minister meant that they would examine easing the restrictions with an emphasis on security personnel and ex-IDF officers, but did not say it could not potentially apply to the wider public.
Currently to receive a firearm permit you must be over 21, an Israeli resident for more than three years, have passed a mental and physical health exam, background checks by the Public Security Ministry and shooting exams and courses at a licensed gun range. The permit holder is then allowed to order a single firearm with a one-time supply of 50 bullets from a licensed dealer. They must then retake the licensing exam and undergo testing at a gun range every three years. There is also a stipulation requiring that any gun owner prove they have a safe at home to store the firearm.
At the scene of the attack on Tuesday, Aharonovitch called on Jewish residents of the city not to seek revenge for the attack and to allow the police to do their job.
“We are not in an easy period, [we are in] a period of terror attacks. I cannot promise that there won’t be another terror attack, but I can I promise we are doing everything we can to prevent it. But we cannot be everywhere,” he said.
Just saw group of US tourists being rushed out of Jerusalem's old city. One of them told the tour guide he wished he had brought his pistol.
— Sheera Frenkel (@sheeraf) November 18, 2014
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It’s time to Lock & Load, Israel!
Just one Hydra-Shok® administered center-mass stops a Palestinian with a cleaver every time!
I’d hate to waste ammo, but wouldn’t two to the chest & one to the head be more effective?
On the other hand, a dead tango means you didn’t really waste it, no?
Not even a half-measure response.
Every Israeli who wants to and can carry SHOULD carry.
It’s ridiculous to reduce your people to sheep waiting for wolves to show up. Make them all lions!
Should? Yes. Can? No. Never forget that Israel is not a free country, and the civil liberties we take for granted in the USA are not necessarily available there. Ironically the police and the courts are heavily biased towards Arabs and against Jews, especially religious ones. The real human rights violations are against Jews, not Arabs.
If Arabs cannot be trusted to live peacefully in Jerusalem then it is time to move them someplace else.
Like 6 feet under. They will be no different elsewhere.
The more Jews bleed and die from terrorist attacks, the more they perpetuate the cycle of violence.
World opinion weeps (for the two Palestinians killed)
When we fought the Nazis we didn’t stop till they were forced to surrender. Israel should do the same thing with the Palestinians.
We’re long past that point. Israel won’t be safe until all Muslims are wiped off the map.
Palestinian moral dilemma – when does one interrupt one’s celebration of the murder of Jews to mourn the death of the murderers?
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-big-palestinian-question-do-they.html#.VGtuZVfF8TE
Please pray for one of the policemen who rushed to the scene, a brave Druze policeman who took a bullet in the head in the shootout with the terrorists and is now in hospital fighting for his life.
What blows me away is that when unarmed Israelis or visiting Rabbis from the United States get gruesomely attacked and killed, your reaction is vengeance (“lock and load”, etc), and you become disgusted when Gazans support such gruesome actions. BOTH of you, Palestinians and Israelis, have blood on your hands. Your settlers run roughshod over defenseless farmers and Olive groves, your IDF lethally kill civilians, etc. Don’t you see each of your actions escalates an already dangerous situation. It just so happens in this sad situation, you are on the receiving end. Can’t you fathom that your responses now to this senseless violence is no different than Palestinians hopeless acts of violence like these Palestinians did against the Rabbis. There is a reason all these situations end like this. There also is a way to stop it, a way that neither of your sides seem interested in (maybe not even aware of) at this time.
You can’t COEXIST with people who want to kill you.
Yeah. You never see a COEXIST bumper sticker on a Muslim’s car, because Muslims don’t believe in coexistence and especially do not believe in showing any respect for other religions.
You only see those moronic bumper stickers on liberals’ cars, as their way of telling their inferiors that they must tolerate islamo-fascism.
There is no moral equivalence between the Arabs and the Israelis as you are arguing. Whatever mistakes Israel has made along the way, they pale in comparison – they’re not even on the same planet – to the violence and propaganda perpetrated by the Arabs (who call themselves “Palestinians”).
Dean, your assertions are simply not true, Israeli society does not “run roughshod over defenseless farmers and Olive groves” the IDF does not target civilians. Jewish Israelis want to live in peace with their Arab neighbors and support coexistence. And this even goes for Jews who were forced out of Arab countries (a far greater number when compared to Arabs who fled Israel at the founding of Israel). One would expect that these Jews, with their very direct experience of living in Arab countries and the brutality to which they were subjected and often having to flee with nothing more than the clothes on their back, would hate the Arabs and be justified in doing so. But they do not hate, they have gone on to rebuild their lives and create a flourishing state in the ME.
A state that should serve as an example to all of what can be achieved on a tiny sliver of land with no natural resources. Let’s run a thought experiment. Let’s pretend that Israel is situated on the gas wells of Qatar! Just imagine! Do you think in that situation that the Jews would be funding terrorism around the world as the Qataris are now doing with all the wealth from their natural resources?
Dear Ruth, open your eyes: since 1967 Israel has been OCCUPYING Palestine. The wall they built never enters 1967 boundaries, it always goes into and often deeply penetrates into Palestinian land. All the settlements, by all International accounts (even here in the United States), all settlements are ILLEGAL. The recent assault on Gaza has been denounced Internationally as war crimes. Settlers assault Palestinians, tear up their Olive groves, deface their places of worship and recently have even run over and killed a child, burned a teen to death, and torched a Mosque. Not one settler has been brought to justice. In fact, IDF often accompany them and stand back and allow them to do their damage. I could go on, but my point is THAT THESE THINGS ARE GOING ON and Israel, as the Occupier, is held legally responsible for all this by International law.
Yawn.
–Andrew, @LawSelfDefense
Dean, I do not support any claims that the United States should surrender land to the so-called Native American groups who were defeated in America. I do not think that Australia should be surrendered to the aborigines. I do not think that Israel should have surrendered the Sinai, nor the so-called occupied territory.
Only the Israelis have surrendered land that they have won in war. They have done so seeking peace. It has never worked.
One point is all it will take to show how brainwashed you are. You mention 1967 borders. There is no such thing and never was any such thing. The lines (such are they were) of 1967 were armistice lines (cease fire lines). They were never intended to be borders nor did anyone consider them to be borders until the commie disinformation specialists decided to call them borders.
Here’s a free second point. Occupy? That is exactly what those Jordanians (sometimes called Palestinians or Samaritans) are doing. They all belong on the other side of the Jordan River but the King of Jordan doesn’t want them because they are ‘disruptive’ troublemakers.
Get educated with truth. Your life will improve.
The West Bank was meant to be Israeli and has been occupied by the Jordanians from 1949 to 1967.
The Jordanians dealt with terrorist by killing their family members. The KGB dealt the Hamas kidnapping their diplomatic staff in the same way. They identified the leader of the kidnappers and kidnapped his uncle. Then they delivered the uncles testicles, and then the dead uncle. Hamas never again bothered Russian diplomatic staff. Sorta gotta speak a language they understand. Capisce?
That “occupation” comes about as a result of Palestinians’ relentless attacks on Israel, resulting in all-out war.
What part of “We won” do you not understand? Wars have consequences, too.
Using the logic of “occupation”, Germany should demand their borders be from pre-1944. Israel gave back the Sinai. Israel recognized Gaza. Israels borders have resulted from defeating attacks from neighboring Arab states. Recent incursion into Gaza was after 7000 rockets shot into Israel, not counting the tunnels for terrorism. The true measure of issues here can be summed into one question. “If the Palestinians accepted the Oslo Accords and quit attacks on Israel, would there be any further use of force by Israel?” Before your knee jerks… the answer would be “no” and there would be peace.
“What blows me away is that when unarmed Israelis or visiting Rabbis from the United States get gruesomely attacked and killed, your reaction is vengeance”
No, ya moron. Self-defense is NOT “vengeance”. It is suppression of murderous terrorism in the instant, and has NOTHING to do with vengeance, justice, retribution…any of that good bullshit.
It has to do with STOPPING an attack by RIGHT.
Dear Ragspierre, so, if its not vengeance, why would Israel come out and say (now that they’ve killed the two perpetrators of this gruesome assault, the killing of defenseless civilians), they up it a notch and go and demolish their homes. What do you call that?
The settlers they caught, who torched to death the Palestinian teen, did they go and demolish their parents homes? The IDF solders who assassinated two Palestinian teens (caught on camera by CNN), did they go and demolish their homes?
Just because you are armed to the teeth and willing to use lethal force against those you are subjugating, doesn’t mean you “have it under control.” As gruesome and as horrible as it is, killing and maiming and assaults and name calling by both sides only escalates an already jacked up situation where BOTH SIDES are fueling it.
Yawn.
–Andrew, @LawSelfDefense
“What do you call that?”
You REALLY have trouble with basic concepts, huh? Focus on “self-defense”, moron. It IS what this thread is about.
Talk about overcomplicating things.
You come at me with a deadly weapon with the reasonably perceived intent to cause me death or grave bodily harm, and I will shoot you through the head.
Easy, peasy.
–Andrew, @LawSelfDefense
And note that the witness in the second video said it took ten minutes for police to get there.
Even in Israel.
No, center of mass and always double-tap.
Engaging center of mass at a charging, knife-wielding attacker is an uncertain business with a pistol caliber weapon.
Center mass hits won’t stop their forward momentum, and it won’t kill them for some seconds, during which time they’re carving you up, and likely causing more serious injuries to you with their knife than you did to them them with your bullets.
And I don’t concern myself overly much with round count. I’ll use as much force as reasonably necessary to neutralize the attack, and no more, however many rounds that may be. That’s what the law allows.
–Andrew, @LawSelfDefense
Head v. center mass = false dichotomy. Do both. And more:
Head, head, chest, chest, head, head, chest, chest, nuts, nuts, head, chest, nuts, warning shot.
Sure. My split times are under 0.20 seconds when time is of the essence.
Why I carry a spare mag (at least one). 🙂
–Andrew, @LawSelfDefense
Where have we seen this before locally? Yes, locally:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/23/us/new-york-police-attacked/
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Hatchet-Attack-NYPD-Officers-Act-of-Terror-FBI-Director-James-Comey-282999611.html
So, how do you train to handle such a threat?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2008/11/beyond-the-tueller-drill.aspx
http://jeffcoopersmozambiquedrill.blogspot.com/
Not like the movies or television now, is it? It is obvious that calling 911 and waiting for the police to arrive will get you and yours killed or maimed, especially if you are in a posted gun-free zone, also know as a posted disarmed victim zone. What to do? Start by changing your mindset to one that you will prepare yourself to act immediately with overwhelming force when presented with the same threat.
http://salutetargets.com/blog/salute-to-jeff-cooper/
Wow, Dean, you’re absolutely correct. I never thought of it what way before. I can see it now.
-The leader of Israel advocates driving all Muslims into the sea.
-Israeli citizens go out of their way to murder innocent children.
-Zionist Israelis regularly commit suicide attacks against civilian Palestinians.
-Heartless Jewish Israelis publicly celebrate the murder of innocent civilians with candy.
….Hold on a second. That’s not right. {slaps forehead} Oh, what was I thinking, that’s what Muslims do to Jewish Israelis. Silly me. What was I thinking?
Um, no. While the land of Israel is not without sin, there is no equivalence, any more than there was between the US and the USSR.
“While the land of Israel is not without sin…”
No human being is without sin, but Islam glories in doing evil in the name of good: Robbery, rape, murder, slavery, genocide.
lethally kill?
Dean Olson: your IDF lethally kill civilians
Lt. Kaffe: lethally kill?
Col. Jessup: Is there any other kind?
They rape Olive orchards, too. Full of Olives.
I wonder if Pop-Eye is aware…???
Well blow me down!
That is “Olive Oyl”, a fine lady.
Yes, there’s always been a way to stop it: the way we guaranteed no attacks on Americans by Japanese. “Kill us and you and everyone around you dies.” Then do it.
Let’s keep our priorities straight as we maintain a sense of proportion:
Any word yet on whether the Israeli police’s response was disproportionate?
The murder victims were three Americans and one Brit. They were not “visiting”; they live there. The neighborhood is English-speaking; I know it very well.
One of the victims was from Kansas City.
Sobering thought. This year, more US citizens have been murdered by Palestinian Arab terrorism than have been murdered at the hands of ISIS. And yet we are fighting ISIS and giving money to the Palestinian terror groups (directly and indirectly via the UN).
An America continues to give 3 billion every year to Israel and opens it’s weapons for Israeli purchases. Whether you are wielding an axe against defenseless Rabbis, or dropping cluster bombs and DIME bombs and white phosphorus on civilian Gaza areas, its TERRORISM. In the one case, it’s rag tag groups, in the other it’s an actual nation.
Killing, is killing, no matter what name you put to it. It’s one of the commandments. Israel has no intent in “negotiating a peace.” Check the bylaws of all those parties in power. Israel’s intent is to go for the whole cookie. At any cost.
So. Boring.
–Andrew, @LawSelfDefense
What must it be like to have such a cognitive deficit?
You wanna see how it looks to “go for the whole cookie”? Get some video of ISIS, Imperial Japan, or the Nazis. Hell, the Khmer Rouge did it with cheap plastic bags. The Jordanians were MUCH better at killing the Palestinians than Jews ever were.
Whadda moron.
“Killing is killing”
So there is no difference between Nazi Germany waging a genocidal war and the allies bombing the sh*t out of Germany? So you think I am morally compromised when I honor those who brought hellfire to the fascists?
To be fair, the police got there pretty much right away, and were engaged in a shoot-out. One policeman was badly wounded. And this is a country where soldiers with military weapons are common, and yes, it makes one feel safe. But there aren’t a lot of soldiers in this neighborhood, and I doubt even if the residents could carry,they would bring their weapons into a synagogue.
Free fire zones are great for evil doers. Good people who bring their guns to protect worshipers are doing God’s work.
Dean Olson: “BOTH of you, Palestinians and Israelis, have blood on your hands.”
Moral equivalence, gotta love it. Israeli culture is no “better” or “superior” to Arab culture.
PROOF:
ISIS has seen the latest Gruber video released and is said to be recoiling in shock and disbelief.
This is the same old tripe we hear about the US being just as guilty of terrorism as the ISIS or any other evil regime. People who say those kind of things do not live in the same world that I live in. They say that because we have gone into the Middle EAst and killed we have created the bad guys there and are responsible for the results. That’s like saying when the cops go into a gang house and kill several of them that they then caused the deaths that the gangs will eventually commit.
I share the same sentiment as ConradCA. The time has long been past to play Mr. Nice Guy.
The reaction of the Gazans as well as the attack on a gathering to worship the LORD shows as clearly as can possibly be that radical Islamists do not worship the one God, the one Jews and Christians worship. The Palestinian cause is wholly subsumed into a death cult.
After centuries of Muslim violence, Dean Olson wants to blame Jews.
I would like to see Dean Olson forced to live near people who want to kill him and who have weapons.
Read the news coverage. Note how Muslims get violently angry when Jews want to pray at the Temple Mount. Those peaceful, tolerant Muslims that we are supposed to care about.
Dean Olson “There also is a way to stop it, a way that neither of your sides seem interested in (maybe not even aware of) at this time.”
Uh, no. Are you really so clueless as to believe that the Muslims want peaceful coexistence? Are you really unaware that they want to kill all the Jews? Do you not know anything about what Muslims say to each other, rather than the lies they tell Westerners? It’s all documented, with photographs and audio-video recordings. What’s more, all this “we want peace” bullsh*t is a recent tactic of the Muslims: They used to be completely open to all about their genocidal intentions. Study the historical record. Get a clue. And in the meantime stop trying to give moral instruction to people who know more than you.
Arabs celebrate in the streets when Jews are murdered, even while little babies are murdered. Even in synagogues.
Jews do not.
Note the difference.
The Middle East would be infinitely better if there were no Muslims within 1000 miles of Jerusalem.
I’ve got a better idea: Give all the Muslims a one-way ticket to Mars. Let them have fun destroying each other in their own little corner of the solar system, and leave the rest of us in relative peace.
Dear pst314, that is not true.
Israelis not only celebrated in the streets the recent attack on Gaza, they facebooked, twittered, and texted all kinds of congratulations….while Israel proceeded to kill over 2,000 civilians in Gaza.
So don’t get your blood pressure up over what Palestinians are doing now. Yes, its wrong. The “problem” is now you are on the receiving end, where while Gaza was being blown to bits, they were.
Neither is right.
Dean: are aware that before “Gaza was blown to bits” many rockets were being launched out of Gaze towards Israeli? I would support the IDF identifying rocket launch sites and destroying every building within 100 meters of said sight. When enough palestinians are living in tents perhaps they will consider not launching rockets into Israel.
Not only should the IDF have blown up the tunnels, but they should have pumped sea water into them, to further collapse the tunnels, filling them with silt. Had the ground settled as this happened, that would have been just dessert to those who supported the tunnel building, actively and passively.
Israelis did not celebrate because civilians in Gaza might be dying. They celebrated because the IDF was destroying the sites and people that had been launching rockets at them. (And sending terrorists from tunnels.)
You’re a liar.
You should have stopped at “Muslims”.
Muslim pogroms in the 1930’s.
Muslim pogroms in the 1920’s.
Muslim pogroms at the turn of the century.
Muslim pogroms in the late 1800’s.
Muslim pogroms in the mid 1800’s.
Need I continue, Dean Olson?
Just checked the archives. This “Dean Olson” never sticks around to argue anything. Merely drops a few lies into the comment thread and moves on.
Dear pst314, your pogroms comments are quite outdated (30s, 20s, 1800s). What about the current word for it, “OCCUPATION”. Yes, it has to do with “who is in power.” Most world history is not pretty. So, what would you call what Israel is doing as Occupiers of Palestine? Now Israel is in the driver’s seat. Not very pretty.
“Occupation” of land seized from invaders.
Entirely reasonable to keep that land forever.
Or do you think Israel should give back the land and make itself vastly more vulnerable to attack and invasion? Give the land back to people who still say they want to “drive the Jews into the sea”?
“your pogroms comments are quite outdated”
Not at all: My point is that Islam has always been a violently intolerant religion, with a special hatred for Jews. Therefore, it is entirely reasonable for Jews to have a homeland of their own where they are not under the boot heel of Muslims.
Dear pst314,
Your comment about not seeing a bumper sticker on a Muslim car (coexist) says it backwards: it’s Israeli’s that crashed the party back in 1967, armed to the teeth and taking over all of the Palestinian land. “Coexist” would mean not having private, special roads only for settlers, not having settlers walking around armed to the teeth, would mean Palestinians not living under Israeli Occupation. THAT is what coexist would mean.
The ones trampled under foot have been Palestinians, having their lands illegally confiscated, their holy site continually infringed on (yes, I am aware Israeli also see it as their holy site, the original place of the Temple. That was 2,000 years ago. The Mosque has been on that site for 1,400 years.)
Why would a Palestinian even think of putting that kind of bumper sticker on their car, after all that Israel has done to them?
In response, Israel will ease its severe restrictions on carrying guns for self-defense.
The fact that Israel has such severe restrictions implies that it isn’t really serious about defense.
Fixing the barn door after the horses are out is a loser’s tactic.
The amount of energy it would take to refute bullshit like Dean’s is an order of magnitude greater than it would take to produce it. Couple that with the fact that beliefs not built upon facts or logic are impervious to contradicting facts and logic, and the effort is revealed as pointless.
Bullshit? Hardly. Some ‒ enough ‒ of it is very real. Jewish massacres, bombings and other atrocities by the likes of Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi (a.k.a. Stern Gang) are part of history and won’t go away.
Quite a few of these historical events can be justified as legitimate operations against genuine military targets. Even the most notorious and bloodiest, Irgun’s bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946, had a sensible tactical aim (i.e., it was not merely an exercise in piling up bodies of innocent bystanders), and so was arguably not an act of terrorism at all, despite conventional classification as such. (And of course the target in that case hadn’t anything to do with Arabs.)
Israel’s critics today lump all this ancient history (most of it from the 1946-57 time frame) in with more recent defensive operations and declare them all to be atrocities. This tactic is both intellectually indefensible and futile, as it’s so obviously false.
But so is a glib declaration that it’s all bullshit.
It’s not bullshit. Rather, it’s irrelevant. What matters to anyone outside of the Middle East is what’s happening now and what’s going to happen in the future, and who’s going to export it. Since Munich in 1972, we’ve known the answer to that one ‒ it’ll be Arabs, not Israelis, who will be turning massacre and terrorism into a major export industry. And that, to the outside world, is intolerable. A world full of big vulnerable machines ‒ like cruise ships and airplanes ‒ can’t afford to dismiss terrorism as a bit of local color. And that means that today, terrorists are the enemy, not Israel.
And “terrorists” means … who? Palestinians, Persians, or Muslims; all good choices. Most members of all these groups are pretty sedate, and as harmless as the rest of us. But “most” may not be good enough.
I’ll bet you blame Bush for all of Obama’s failings.
The bullshit referred to is Dean’s, or rather, the style of argument he employs that offers evidence especially selected out of the whole, allows no contradictory evidences, and therefore cannot be refuted – in the opinion of Dean, of course. That is bullshit.
Good points tom swift. Your accounting all the way back to 1947 show what a vulnerable people do when they experience their back up to the wall and have come out of horrendous, nightmarish, inhuman barbarity in Europe. They fight with what they have at hand, like David did with his sling shot. Not much of weapon, but he was creative with it.
Don’t you think anybody who has been abused, taken advantage of, trampled under foot and not having any legal recourse to seek justice would start turning to the dark side.
Israel acts like all Muslims hate them. Probably most Muslims don’t give a crap. BUT what Israel does with its terrible, overwhelming fire power does get noticed by other countries, which in Israel’s case happens to be many Muslim states, let alone the people they are using these horrendous weapons on.
To contend “Muslims want to do us in” is to forget Israel policy (check the charters of those parties now in power) declare there will never be a two state solution. Israel’s intent is not to see peace brokered but to confiscate as much of the pie as possible and to kick out or kill as many Palestinians as they can. You’d have to be blind, deaf and dumb not to be able to pick that up by all their consistent actions.
Israel has lucked out, so far, with the American press because of the lopsided coverage and the lockstep support of our Congress (not even the Israeli political system rejoices in all that is done in the name of Israel as our dysfunctional Congress does. And our lame press is almost as bad. But, the truth is getting out here in America. Eyes wide open.
Don’t you love the trolls? They come here and spew their talking points and then challenge us to spend an hour refuting them.
Visit a Synagogue and you hear talk of how to live in peace and love with all people.
Visit a mosque and you will hear talk about “infidels” who must be fought and subjugated and killed.
All around the world. Can’t be avoided when it is a corner stone of the faith.