So Democrats now agree voter fraud exists and must be prevented? (Yes and No)
Now we have proof, but don’t expect Democrats to agree to prevent it.
The completely hyperventilated headline at the progressive “Crooks and Liars” website is Scott Walker Fan Indicted For Massive Voter Fraud.
What apparently happened is that someone who allegedly is a Walker supporter voted multiple times in multiple elections and encouraged others to do so. The total fraudulent vote count is in the single digits, maybe as high as 10-12 votes spread among different jurisdictions.
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel has more details:
A Shorewood man has been charged with more than a dozen counts of illegal voting, accused of casting multiple ballots in four elections in 2011 and 2012, including five in the 2012 gubernatorial recall.
Robert D. Monroe, 50, used addresses in Shorewood, Milwaukee and Indiana, according to the complaint, and cast some votes in the names of his son and his girlfriend’s son.
Does this matter? Yes, of course.
We have seen razor-tight elections. A few votes here or there could make a difference.
Voter fraud is not just about what we know — we never know how many fraudulent votes were cast because it is so rare that we catch someone.
The integrity of the entire system is at issue when we do not take substantive steps to prevent voter fraud. It’s not just about raw numbers.
That’s why simple steps such as showing identification are important.
Yet those simple steps are met by responses that it’s all a racist ruse. And frequently courts agree because there’s no proof of actual fraudulent votes being cast, even if there is provable ballot petition fraud.
So now we have proof. Voter fraud exists. Crooks and Liars terms it “massive.”
Will they now support reasonable steps to prevent such fraud in the future?
Don’t count on it.
Update: It goes without saying …
There was plenty of evidence for #VoterFraud before that: http://t.co/TjUetpgxVv @LegInsurrection
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Shaidle’s First Law For Understanding The Collective…
“It’s different when we do it.”
Start there, and all your questions are readily answered.
Voter fraud bad? Depends on who the votes were for…
This is “massive” but the report of possible double-voting from North Carolina, running in the thousands, is not a problem. Right. ANY vote fraud is a problem, no matter who’s doing it.
http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/06/24/video-trey-gowdy-nails-irs-commisioner-wall-congressional-hearing/
Trey Gowdy Nails The IRS Commisioner To The Wall In Congressional Hearing
Oops, wrong window.
Wrong window, but wonderful clip. I have already forwarded it to my email list. Thanks for posting this.
You’re welcome. I was trying to post it to the Tip Line.
Without voter fraud the commie dems wouldn’t be in power.
“Massive”?
If massive Black Panthers with Billy Clubs were involved with this handful of illegal votes then I would call this “Massive Voter Fraud.”
Leftists always point to “no evidence” as their main reason voter ID isn’t needed. But when some precincts in Philadelphia voted 110% of those registered, and came back 100% for Obama, you don’t need to be Sherlock Freakin’ Holmes to figure out what is going on.
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And it IS widespread. Here is how the typical Democrat scam works.
Precinct captains get a list of registered voters in their area, including how often they’ve voted in the past and if they voted absentee in the current election. Often they will even contact the voter to see if they plan to turn out.
The fraud comes from those who don’t. Others are sent in to vote in their names. Without ID requirements, it’s easy peasy – and once the vote is in, it isn’t coming off the total.
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This is why they are so opposed to ID laws. It won’t stop the fraud – the poll workers in heavily Democratic districts are as crooked as the precinct captains – but it will slow it down.
Remember there is no such thing as an honest Democrat. They are all corrupt to the core.
In Texas they had fine tuned that scheme by collecting a group of ‘voters’ (homeless people, or democrat activists, or union members) and putting them on a bus each day of early voting, and going from one early voting location after another and handing them voter registration cards as they step off the bus. Every time they step off the bus they are somebody else. Thankfully now in order to do that they have to supply a fake TXDL every time. Not saying Photo ID has completely eliminated that, but it has made such chicanery much more difficult.
I don’t know how much voter fraud there is, but I also don’t know if there would be any disparate racial impact on requiring ID at the polls.
The implication of the accusations of racism is that the legal citizens of some racial groups are less likely to have government ID than those of other racial groups. I do not know if this is true.
Maybe urban dwellers are less likely to have drivers licenses than suburban residents. I know that when I lived in Manhattan, I knew many people who did not have a car and did not have a drivers license. So I can understand that ghetto blacks and Hispanics in the big cities might not have drivers licenses. But they probably have some form of state ID.
How do you get your welfare checks cashed without ID? How do you get on WIC without an ID card? How do you get free medical care without an ID?
I was recently required to present ID to visit my mother in the hospital. I sometimes need to show ID (even at my age!) to get into a showroom or club – to avoid claims of age discrimination, they card everyone, even us old-timers.
So, how many adult US citizens don’t have ID? Is this really an issue for any legal voter? Or is this just a BS accusation made by the leftists to shut us up?
Voter fraud, by Democrats? Perish the thought. I reviewed petitions for True the Vote during the Scott Walker recall in WI. The obscure, illegible, incomplete, and “notables” (Mickey Mouse) aside, it’s difficult to believe how flagrant and in-your-face many petitioners were. You had to see them to believe it. Over fifty five thousand ineligible signatures and counting when the effort concluded. Numbers here:
http://www.westernfreepress.com/2012/03/04/true-the-vote-wisconsin-review-finds-governor-scott-walker-recall-petition-problems/
Voter ID required, voting in person, or with valid absentee ballot are way we’ll get a handle on this. Voting in advance and on-line should be prohibited. Voting is important; election day is known months in advance, if you can’t be bothered to make a place for it on your schedule, don’t vote. I traveled extensively during my work years, don’t tell me it can’t be done. These may be difficult but the alternative is the corrupt, ineffective system we have now, multiplied by a factor of ten. That’s before we get to the certain-to-come problems with electronic voting machines. (What could possibly go wrong there?)
Vote fraud has long since gone wholesale. If tens of thousands of fake votes are needed, then they will be produced.
How about in MS, if you are democrat and you didn’t vote in the primary; you can vote now? That’s why Cochran is courting minorities.
Let’s apply a little logic here.
1.) This guy voted under his own name every, single time. Voter ID would not have changed a thing. This isn’t an example of how voter ID is necessary, it’s an example of how badly voter ID sucks at preventing this sort of crime.
2.) Did everyone miss the part where the guy was busted? Guess what? The system works. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
1) Voter ID is still necessary even if it wouldn’t have caught this crime
2) The system is still broken. You don’t seriously believe this was the only fraudulent vote in the election, do you?
“Voter ID is still necessary even if it wouldn’t have caught this crime”
That’s just a declaration without any evidence at all. I could argue that all voter fraud is committed by Republicans and present MORE evidence that you just did.
The second argument is just as nonsensical. I don’t care how vivid your imagination is. It’s not proof of anything. Just because your paranoia is limitless doesn’t mean your evidence is.
I’m also not going to give you evidence for the proposition that ID should be presented to access accounts at a bank or receive government benefits.
What’s nonsense is your supposition that who got caught represents the sum total of vote fraud. I doubt you’d countenance such an outrageous claim for any other crime.
Your argument fails on its face.
If there were no voter fraud, there is still no reason to object to procedures that insure against it.
Do you think there is no voter fraud?
This guy voted under his own name every, single time
Unfortunately the Sentinel-Journal story said otherwise:
and cast some votes in the names of his son and his girlfriend’s son
So, according to the news item, he did indeed vote under his own name. And others as well.
Q.E.D.
I would want to know how many people registered as Democrats have been investigated as opposed to how many registered as Republicans.
I’m also curious how he got busted.
Not to argue your final point, but your two assertions are contradictory.
In the first, you argue that since he used his real name, he would use his real ID, so voter ID would not have helped.
In the second, you argue that since he is caught, the current system works.
The fallacy: He was caught because he used his same name. If he had used different names, he likely would not have been caught. Voter ID would make him use his real name. So it seems voter ID would in fact help the existing system catch fraud.
All your argument really says is that if people are acting in ways that would not violate a voter ID law, they can be caught. That is hardly an argument against a voter ID law, but it may be an argument for the stupidity of the guy using his own name.
Its good to hate your enemy (hypocrisy, lies) but better to understand them – not to forgive them but to render them harmless.
First, its good that a lying skunk was caught fixing his votes for Walker. We don’t need him or want him.
Its really a crying shame that this doesn’t encourage the press to look at more voter fraud.
The press painted this a massive fraud. There is real massive fraud and its by Democrats. If an exhaustive study were truly undertaken to inventory and detail all voting frauds and attempts at voting fraud the study would surely find that there are a few dishonest Republicans and a few honest Democrats.
The main stream press with some exceptions is actually clueless about voter fraud. This is important. Again, with the exceptions of some Democratic attack dogs and hard core leftists, the main stream press really has no idea about voter fraud.
This means they can be influenced to take a look at it.