Gee, I wonder why . . .
ALBANY, N.Y. — A new report from the nonprofit Tax Foundation shows people moving out of the state during the last decade took $45.6 billion in personal income from New York’s economy, the most in the nation.
The Washington, D.C.-based foundation says its calculations and map showing migration among states from 2000 to 2010 are based on Internal Revenue Service data.They show California the second-largest income loser, down $29.4 billion, followed by Illinois, down $20.4 billion.
The nonpartisan foundation says Florida had the biggest gain at $67.3 billion, followed by Arizona at $17.7 billion and Texas at $17.6 billion.
Among Northeastern states, New Hampshire gained $2.2 billion.
New Jersey lost $15.7 billion.
The total of personal income in New York was $646 billion in 2010.
The foundation says the data in 2010 dollars exclude births, deaths and foreign migration. (source)
Interestingly, the blue states losing their tax-paying citizens to red states are also those with the toughest gun laws and the highest state and local taxes. But I’m sure none of that has anything to do with the mass migration from blue to red states.
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“based on Internal Revenue Service data”
Well, I guess the IRS would know the data, wouldn’t they.
Here’s looking at you, folks..
My husband and I are part of the migration from blue to red. We voted with our wallets two years ago when we abandoned CA. It’s real sad because CA was once a paradise, economically and in every other respect. It was once magnificent. If ever there was an example of the holocaust that leftism is, one need only look at CA.
The problem with people moving out of blue states is that they tend to bring their blue state voting habits with them. I’ve been in Florida for 40 years now and I’ve seen it over and over again. New Yorkers are the worst.
Folks coming from blue states also have a tendency to look down on the local yokels. Irritating because we created the conditions that these superior beings find so attractive but which they work to destroy.
So true. My hubby and I are exceptions to that phenomenon, however. neither of us has ever voted for a ‘rat and we never will. We detest them with all our hearts, always have and always will. There have been appealing ‘rats come along from time to time, but we’d never vote for them because when you vote ‘rat, you’re voting for everything that party advocates.
We fled CA two years ago, also, and like you, we vote conservative all the way. I am seeing a blue trend here in Idaho, also, but at least it’s small. What is wrong with people? They flee a state because they can’t afford to live there and yet can’t let go of their liberal ideology. Can’t see the forest for the trees, I guess.
What does that mean? The IRS would know the data? Of course they would. W-2s and all that.
Yeah, they come to red states and then pollute them with their BS leftist views, get one of their own to run for office and, then incrementally, they take over, turning the state pink, then purple.
To name just a few in more recent times: CO, NV, NM, VA, FL & NH.
The problem in many red states is that the republicans are so entrenched that they are not used to competition. Add to the fact that the republican party is such crap at proselytizing to others and many in elected positions don’t (especially nationally) actually believe in what they are espousing.
Our side is good at snark and outrage, but it usually ends right there. The left keeps pushing and we keep compromising with them. People like John Boehner and McConnell are a problem, yes, but the responsibility falls squarely on the back of the voters who KEEP SENDING THEM BACK (Looking at you Alaska, Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia and my own district with complete idiot RINO Dave “Cap and Trade/Amnesty” Reichert).
Join your republican party locally like the Paul people have done and take them over.
The natives are a huge voting block, and still use a communal economic system. Many of the whites are willing to freeload off the gov’t (in large part because the gov’ts own such huge swaths of Alaska that our economy is crippled, but still…).
Alaska would be solidly Democrat, except for gun control, the anti hunters so powerful in the Left, and the enviro freaks trying to make so much of Alaska off limits to hunting and fishing.
Agree 100%.
We have been seeing this bumpersticker in Texas for the last 40 years:
We Don’t Care How You Used To Do Things Up North.
Now if they would just be content to adapt to their new surroundings…
I live in a part of Virginia that has seen a large influx of New Yorkers over the past decade. We’re fairly rural (I’m approx 1/4 mile from my nearest neighbor, and the nearest store is more than 10 miles away,) but the recent immigrants have lately decided that we our county should switch to curbside pickup.
Part of the attraction of our area is the low taxes that go along with the lack of development and most long time residents are quite happy with the current burn/haul system that is in place. Yet at a recent county meeting on the proposed curbside service, the spokesman for the group championing it made the statement that it could be done with “only” a 2% rise in property taxes.
The proggies are fleeing the high tax model of the blue states and trying to force that model on the red states they are moving to, apparently forgetting exactly why they left home in the first place.
It’s enough to make you weep.
I have to agree with JackRussellTerrierist though he left out Oregon and Washington, one of which tried to staunch the flow.
I’ve seen them here. They come in and say we can raise taxes X to fund this and we’ll still be better off than where we came from.
WA’s and OR’s bluism has been in the making quite a bit longer than the states I listed. On the left coast, much of the blue starting stinking up the place 40 years ago with the advent of the environazis.
WA is far more NIMBY and Libertarian than Mexifornia. Although with our “all mail in and no id needed” voting, we will be just like them sooner than later.
I question myself why I even vote here, it’s not like the King County democrat party that counts the votes will count my vote anyways.
Gee, I wonder why . . .
Bush!
We live in a blue county in a red state, with 80% of the county in one way or another dependent on the government, $900 million dollars in public and pension debt and declining necessary services (police and fire). They announced the latest “tiny” tax increase last night primarily needed to service all the debt.
So, with all of the kids officially out of the nest, hubby and I are relocating just as fast as we possibly can.
Good move. When that one goes off the shockwave will be deadly.
Check out North Carolina: Beautiful beaches and mountains, ACC basketball, BBQ, long springs and falls, mild winters, Republican governor, state house, and state senate, and #4 among the states attracting emigrants. Oh, and me. I’m a great neighbor.
I’m so pleased with our new all-Republican government in NC. They’ve cut personal and corporate taxes, fixed some of the stupid gun laws, and industry is already flocking to NC. Our long Democrat nightmare may be over!
Not to mention photo ID for voting. Awesome. Libs are going apeshit from the mts to the coast. During one of the ‘Moral Monday’ protests, an undercover tea partier passed around a petition to sign that demanded the state education budget be returned to the level it was when the Dems were in power and all the libs signed it, teachers included. Then it was revealed that the new guys, GOP, had actually increased the ed budget. lol
If you aren’t already, check out the blog Carolina Plott Hound (weird name, I know – state dog). It’s a Drudge Report knock-off, a news aggregator, but covers only NC news and politics:
http://www.carolinaplotthound.com/
Thanks for the pointer to the PlottHound site. Got it bookmarked!
The fact that the Republicans increased the education budget isn’t stopping the libs from holding “protests” over teacher pay cuts, though. The media is carrying water for them, too. I heard several “news” stories on how Republicans hate teachers on AM radio yesterday.
The hubby and I are your and Henry’s neighbors just across the TN line. Howdy. 🙂 We’re headed to Hatteras next month for a week at the beach. I miss my ocean. When we moved, NC was still too blue for us, so we became ‘volunteers’. If we ever move again, it’ll probably be NC.
We got married in TN, part of a trip up and down the mountains. I love east TN.
We love it, too.
When we told friends in CA where we were moving, a few asked, in astonishment, “Huh? You’re moving……where?” I would reply, “Yes, east Tennessee. We’ve decided to move back to the United States.”
Add me and my family to the list. We are moving to Texas… The Hubs leaves for Texas in two weeks, I will follow with our boys in December. I’m sad to leave. Where we currently live is still a paradise, but quickly changing for the worse. I do have great fear and trepidation about moving, but hope for a better life for my boys. There are very few opportunities left here and without opportunities life will be very hard for them. I was recently chatting with a doctor who said he could earn 4 times as much living elsewhere, and that’s part of the problem. Wages have not kept up with the cost of living and taxes add insult to injury.
Soon to be formerly SoCA Conservative Mom
To She who was formerly known as SoCA Conservative Mom,
I am a born & raised Texas girl.
It was a fine place to grow up. Many fond memories.
You could do far far worse than move to Texas.
I was looking forward to moving until I found out about the hurricanes and alligators, oh and summer when it’s 110F with 100% humidity. Is big hair still in in Texas?
Don’t worry about Texas alligators. The mosquitoes kill them, eat them and make cowboy boots out of them to sell to tourists.
NC. Very few gators.
Henry, shouldn’t you mention the copperheads and cottonmouths?
I understand completely. We bailed 1.5 years ago.
Welcome to Texas honey! As a transplanted Texican myself, there’s a Texas saying for folks like you and me, and don’t be afraid to use it: “I wasn’t born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could!”. Also if driving in there is a big sign as you enter Texas: “Welcome to Texas, Drive Friendly!” and heh “Please Don’t Flail The Pecan Trees”! along the side of the road….
Good news is that the money is now running out. The next few years are going to be interesting, probably not in a good way at all.
“We can’t be out of money! The printing presses still work!”
Yep.. all the treasury has to do is mint a $16 trillion coin and all the debt will vanish into thin air.
I’d like to see the data if you removed retirees moving to a warmer climate. (especially FL and AZ)
I’m sure some of the numbers are a result of this. But the retirees certainly aren’t moving to CA. And I’m sure a better cost of living is also part of the reason to retire elsewhere.
You’d also have to factor in all those who took retirement at the end of 2013 because of the increased tax burden on working. That’s the column hubby and I are in – with a 40% increase in our federal tax bill due to a couple of good investments – we’re in the position of having to reduce our exposure, which includes not working anymore.
We escaped into Free America early in 2011.
Massachusetts plates came off the car and were replaced with an ARIZONA plate.
Not Sorry and not sorry we’re not sorry.
2011 was when I, too, left Massachusetts (for Florida), and despite the oddities of the last election (Florida has 67 counties, 54 went to Romney, only 13 to Obama–some of the latter with more voting than there were registered voters. Big surprise.), I have zero regrets.
The thing that I found really interesting about this piece was that Florida, with no state income tax at all, has the biggest gain. Of course, the taxes on other things are quite high, but over all cost of living (with the exception of auto insurance) is much lower than in Mass.
Florida huh?
You’ll find the cost of living far less throughout the South. Everytime I go to East Texas to visit my in-laws I’m amazed at how cheap most things are– aside from gas.
Welcome. I made the move here to AZ (from northern Virginia) 22 years ago. Never regretted it.
How timely. For several weeks now, I’ve been looking at states to relocate to from IL, now that my wife and I are both retired. The one benefit of living in IL, is that our retirement pensions are exempt from state income tax. But Oh! The politics here. Such a punitive approach to governance.
WY, TN, TX, SD are all possibilities. And my old home state of WA, while a blue state, at least has no income tax. If only Seattle would oust Baghdad Jim.
No state income tax on your pension here in Texas – in fact, we’ve got several folks in our neighborhood that are IL retirees – and depending on the kind of place you want to live and what “amenities” you’re looking for – the cost of living is extremely low in many parts of the state.
Here in NC we just exempted Social Security from the State Income Tax. Wooooo-hoooo!
Thanks for the info. Spent a summer there while working for Boeing back in ’80 – Richardson/Plano area. Did a lot of driving around, seeing the sights and enjoyed it immensely. Was so sad to read that the Biblical Arts Museum burned to the ground and with it, the incredible Pentecost mural.
Plano is a little more upscale than other parts of the State, but if you can take your time and look around there are lots of options in all price ranges in that part of the State.
And no… the move wasn’t a retirement move.
Meridith Whitney’s book. The 50 states are not the same! People are fleeing both coasts because their homes lost values. They haven’t recovered from the bust. Taxes are too high. And, the JOBS LEFT TOWN!
People are going to where the jobs are. The states that are growing are all in our “middle” … what the left calls “fly over country.” Did you know the “housing bubble” didn’t take place in any of these states? Their budgets are balanced. And, not only can you find jobs, you can also find affordable housing. Nice neighbors. Good schools. And, welcoming communities.
This is why Mitch Daniels of Indiana makes a viable presidential candidate. (If the GOP’s entrenched elites, give him an opportunity to reach the nomination.)
Meanwhile, if ya want your pants scared off ya, look to see Jesse Ventura’s Conspiracy Theory. It’s what can happen IF we can’t deal with the political elites soon.
HINT: The GOP Elites like Mitch Daniels. He’s the one who wants to call a truce on social issues. And was a budget director, I believe, for W during his first term.
It’s his family that doesn’t want him to run.
But is he better than Christie or Rubio? By far.
He switched IN state employees to HSAs, which is THE way to go for healthcare coverage and saved the state millions.
Also made it a right to work state, I believe.
He’s also better than John Kasich of OH, IMO.
All of you in red states that are starting to see population inflows need to read The Blueprint: How the Democrats Won Colorado and prepare accordingly. Becoming active and involved in your state’s GOP, if you aren’t already, is a start.
Governor Cuomo just issued a statement to the effect of, “Nothing to see here, move along!”
What’s coming? “Resident Escrow accounts” residents will need to set up, along with emmigration penalties. Higher estate taxes. These States CANNOT adapt to the reality of their failures and so will seek to divert the cost to others.
If California weren’t so damned kookoo I would move back but the situation there just won’t let up. What a wonderful and beautiful state from top to bottom.
I loved California. It was the hardest thing I’ve ever done to leave it. But when you’re afraid to go to the grocery store after dark, a store you’ve been going to since you were 11, it was time to leave.
I left California about 8 or 9 years ago, and just about every news story that comes out of there confirms the wisodm of that choice. It’s been run into the ground by the Dems and public workers’ union.
And it’s become a just plain unfriendly place. The old hometown is a crapball now. I get sad every time I go back to visit my family.
Isn’t this a national action similar to that which occurred over the years in Detroit?
Any good manager would recognize the trend…
Check out this site “How Money Walks” by Travis H Brown http://www.howmoneywalks.com/web-app/ who has a book with the same name. Mr Brown has compiled data from 1992-2010 on adjusted gross incomes lost or gained by states and which sates gained or lost it into an interactive US map. Not surprisingly California, New York and Illinois are the biggest losers with Texas and Florida the big winners the last couple of decades. Kevin D. Williamson on National Review also writes about this very fact today.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/356404/suicide-pact-kevin-d-williamson
“The nine states with the highest personal-income-tax rates lost $100 billion in AGI from 1995 to 2010. The nine states without any personal-income tax gained $146 billion. In all, some $2 trillion has moved between the states during the years for which Brown has data, and the pattern consistently favors low-tax jurisdictions.”
Yet year after year Democrat run states, instead of lowering taxes and regulations, think up new ways to squeeze more money from a shrinking population. Like California, trying to retroactively tax small business owners with interest on tax credits legally taken but now found to be unconstitutional by the State Supreme Court years later.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/19/california-businesses-fuming-over-retroactive-120m-tax-grab/
It won’t be long before the only people left in states like these will be illegal aliens, welfare recipients, and government workers shelling out a diminishing pie.
Not quite. CA is FULL of limousine libtards with lots and lots of money. They won’t leave. Ever.
What CA is becoming is a coven of the very rich and a haven for the dependent poor.
Illinois still has a fairly sane income tax situation but one party rule became the norm after Republicans like George Ryan destroyed the brand.
In the early 90s I knew a lot of politically ambitious young Republicans in Illinois. Corruption inside the Republican party alienated many of them. When the Republicans couldn’t defeat Quinn after the Blago scandals I think a lot more people decide to bail and leave the state. The chance of righting the ship with a Democrat governor and a Democrat legislature is nil.
It is interesting that
It’s hard to understand that George Ryan destroyed the ‘pub brand in IL but obastard hasn’t destroyed the ‘rat brand?
Wow…people moving from colder states to warmer states…I bet they are retired too. People have been moving to Florida and Arizona for decades due to the climate…not taxes or gun laws.
It’s a lot more than that. People, especially those who own businesses, are leaving because of taxes and rapidly increasing costs.
Retirees are not moving to warm blue states. They can’t afford it.
Unfortunately for your errant assumption, hot, humid states like Montana, Maine, Vermont, etc. are on the list of states gaining from other states.
LOL! 🙂
So how are you going to explain my family’s move? We are both in our 40’s, 2 children ages 7 and 5, moving from the San Diego area to the Houston area. San Diego has better weather… warm winters, cool summers and little rain. You can say we are retirees looking for warmer weather.
This looks like good news on the surface, but it should terrify Red State citizens..These refugees are infected with Blue State disease, and bring a desire to remake the redstates in the image of home..look at what has happened in Montana, Colorado and even Nevada.. these refugees want the benefits of fiscal conservatism, but become the worst NIMBY’s, start to promote the wackiest Blue State ideas, gun control, big government, etc., and begin to swing elections…and once they have ruined a state..they move on
Call it ‘the Locust Effect.’
Yeah, I feel like I should remove the California plates from my car before crossing the state line and reassure everyone I meet that I won’t be voting for Team Blue.
Get ’em off fast. We did. CA plates are a cop magnet in blue states! 🙂
eh….I meant ‘red’ states.
Immigrants from blue states should not be allowed to vote or breed.
Was in Naples for a week last year. Never met anybody who knew anybody from Florida.
These relocations should be the only redistributions of wealth that occur anywhere in this great country.
Yes, because they’re VOLUNTARY.
Joel Kotkin writes about demographic trends at Forbes.
One statistic he mentioned several months ago that stuck with me is the share of the population that is under 10 years old. According to him, the “under 10” population in Texas rose by 17% between 2000 and 2010, and every state in the former Confederacy saw growth in that segment of between 5% and 10% except Louisiana and Mississippi which were hardest hit by Katrina. the under 10 population in states like New York, New Jersey, Illinois, and California actually declined between 2000 and 2010.
So not only are blue state losing population to net domestic migration, but they are reproducing less than “red” states. If these trends persist until 2020, we’re going to see another big shift in reapportionment in the House that benefits “red” states after the 2020 census.
The trick will be keeping “red” states red in the face of these big demographic changes. Now we know why Democrats are so focused on turning Texas blue.
Found the article.
“How the South Will Rise to Power Again”:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2013/01/31/how-the-south-will-rise-to-power-again/
Stay out of Carolina, you goddamned Y*nkees. We have enough of your progressive cancer here already.