Jacksonville Republican Debate
Endgame assessment: It’s almost like there were two debates. Early on Romney scored points against Newt on Freddie Mac and the “wealth issue,” and Santorum scored major points against Romney on Romneycare. The first half of the debate was not strong for Newt, although I think the talk of the space program probably helped him in Florida even if it hurt him with the pundits.
The second half of the debate was much more sedate. I’m not sure there were any highlights, except for Romney deferring to Newt on Reagan and Newt getting to solidify his Reagan narrative. Given how quickly Romney folded on the issue, this has to help Newt as Romney’s campaign and supporters continue their attacks on Newt’s Reagan connection. Newt was able to drive this home in his closing — a big election with big choices, paycheck over foodstamps, etc.
If Newt needed a big moment, he didn’t get it. Romney was strong in the start, weaker as the night went on. Ron Paul was good throughout. I’d declare Santorum the winner, but I don’t think he’ll take votes from Newt or Romney.
At the third break:
On Reagan, Newt mentioned the video I ran of Nancy Reagan praising him! (but didn’t mention me). Lashed out at Romney coordinated attack. Newt gave a good history of his involvment, and Romney didn’t push it. Best part of night for Newt. Some on twitter say he should have gone after Romney harder on Reagan, but I’m not sure that would have helped rather than make him seem mean.
Rest of segment was ho hum.
At the second break:
Some back and forth between Newt and Blitzer over taxes, then Romney got involved on tax issue, giving another one of his speeches about hard work etc. On surface Romney got the better of it, just not sure how it ultimately plays out. Particularly when Newt suggested truce on personal attacks and Romney basically said no, in a round about way.
Discussion of space program pretty good for Newt in Florida, Romney basically threw cold water on it. Santorum was supportive of exploring space, but against new programs and big ideas. Basically all three then went after Newt on the issue.
Santorum went after Romney on Romneycare and Newt on mandate pretty hard, but mostly Romney, “we can’t give this issue away.” Romney came across very poorly, said to Santorum (who was animated) “it’s not worth getting angry about” – crowd booed. Up until this point Romney was doing well. Santorum went after him harder “your mandate is no different than Barack Obama’s mandate.”
Strong segment for Santorum and, yes, Paul.
At the first break:
A lot of discussion of immigration, back and forth between Newt and Romney, they each hit some singles, no extra bases.
Romney denied knowledge of running an ad saying Gingrich referred to Spanish as the language of the ghetto. Here’s the ad, right on his campaign website. Blitzer then hammered Romney by pointing out it’s his ad and at end he says he approved it. Good moment for Newt.
On Freddie, Romney got the better of the exchange. Freddie is a topic which just never works well for Newt.
Santorum had a pretty good presence, scored probably moment of night so far saying nothing wrong with what Newt did or Mitt did, and they should stop with “petty personal attacks.” Coming right after Romney scoring points on Newt about Freddie, it actuallly was a good save of Newt.
Before the start
First, listen to Mark Levin about the attacks on Newt. He says just about everything I wanted to say, but better. We are living in terrible times when a pretender to the conservativve throne is being crowned. “If this is what the conservative movement has become, then count me out.” Amen.
And then another voice of sanity:
Sarah Palin attacked Newt Gingrich’s detractors in an interview set to air tonight. “Look at Newt Gingrich, what’s going on with him, via the establishment’s attacks,” she told Fox Business Network. “They’re trying to crucify this man and rewrite history, and rewrite what it is that he has stood for all these years.”





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Yep, if this is what it means to be a Republican and vote Republican. Forget about it!
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I second that Amen!
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Levin needs to endorse Newt. If Romney wins FL that’s it. I know Mark like Santorum but he has to be honest and see that Rick has no chance in FL. None. Newt is the only one who can beat Romney in FL. The only one.
He needs all the help he can get. Only Newt can defeat the establishment right now. Standing by is and doing nothing is helping Romney.
Endorsements for Newt by Levin and Limbaugh and Hannity would be huge. Sean is a good friend of Newt’s. He knows him from back in his days in Atlanta before he was a big star. Newt was a big help to Sean’s early career. Rush has talked about Newt was the only one defending Reagan on CSPAN in the 80s and how those speeches were inspring to him and taught him conservatism.
Those 3 endorsing Newt would be huge. There’s still time for them to make a difference. If not now, when? Time is running out. We need all the help we can get. Everything.
Levin clearly doesn’t like Romney. Santorum is done. Mark has to see that. The best thing he can do to stop Romney is endorse Newt. He needs to be convinced of that.
A great line for Newt to use at the debate “In this present crisis, putting the same GOP establishment that got us into this mess back in power is not the solution to the problem we face, the GOP establishment IS the problem. The establishment MUST be defeated.”
Would be a great way to pay tribute to Reagan’s inaugural and every true Reaganite would instantly get it.
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You are 100% right. I have been very frustrated with the fact that these guys have not gotten into the game especially now when it is obvious that this is a Mitt/Newt primary. AND Sarah too, time to get off the sidelines and make a difference.
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Don’t you realize that none of these guys will endorse anyone? Their broadcast partners, stations and commercial sponsors will not allow it.
They can — and they do — lean on the scale for one candidate or another. But that is it.
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“Levin needs to endorse Newt.”
So does Sarah. Time to make it clear.
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Thank you for your continuing series on this topic. I have no problem with factual political criticism of any candidate’s character, actions, judgment, or policies. That’s not what’s been happening, to Republican candidate after candidate. American politicians have a long history of crossing the line from criticism to slander, and the American public has, from time to time, rejected politicians’ excesses.
I think the experience of Grover Cleveland is quite instructive. Mr. Cleveland was a reformer who was an admitted adulterer. He won the popular vote for President three times.
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As a life-long Indie, and from the Carter malaise on Right of the GOP, I’ve sworn pretty much from 110 days in to Dear Leader’s regime that I will not support the party of Rove & Co.
Token opposition to Progressivism.
Thank you all(except Issa) who have endorsed Romney and perfect the politics of personal destruction.
You have made my case for me.
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Then there’s Byron York’s tweet today:
“Romney hits Gingrich even harder on 90′s ethics case. ow.ly/8Huqk On the other hand, have they read this? ow.ly/8HuuM”
https://twitter.com/#!/ByronYork/statuses/162596193812234240
The problem is not the Romney camp (or the Gingrich camp, though Gingrich has pulled his bad ads because of push back). The problem is the conservative media and pundits who are either spreading or not reporting on how false these charges are and how destructive allowing them to stand is.
They are blowing up conservatism and any claim to ethics they had. Being for a candidate is one thing. Asking questions is another. But allowing a huge false issue to stand when you have evidence it is false is appalling.
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I’ll vote for anyone who’s name isn’t Obama, but….well, that these four are our only options makes me want to beat my head against a rock.
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I just made a small contribution to Newt. Romney sickens me. Romney is a complete phoney. I have many problems with Newt. But if elected, I believe Newt would address the problems of the federal government in ways that Romney never would consider.
Here’s my bottom line: I would rather go down fighting for Newt than have Romney as the nominee. If Romney is the nominee, I’m going to tune out, turn on and drop out! Yes, I’ll hold my nose and vote for him over Obama, but that is it.
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“If Romney is the nominee, I’m going to tune out, turn on and drop out! Yes, I’ll hold my nose and vote for him over Obama, but that is it.”
I can’t even promise that I’ll even do that much. Why should I go pull the lever for a “lite” version of the guy we’re trying to get rid of?
(My prediction remains: Romney gets the nomination. Romney loses to Obama.)
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Romney: I’ll fix immigration by keeping the same system we have now!
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For everyone that wrote off Perry for his stance on illegal immigration- how are you liking the debate so far?
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I appreciate the sentiment, but I didn’t write Perry off for just his stance on illegal immigration. There were three solid reasons:
1. Perry’s lack of debate abilities
2. Perry’s failure to present his solid resume well
3. Um, uh… lemmesee.. uh…..
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New boy here.
Just remember this: The country is in big trouble. The people responsible for this come from the ruling class on both sides of the aisle.
The country’s problems will not be cured by simply getting rid of Obama. They are far bigger than that.
There needs to be a regime change. We are on the cusp of a major political cataclyism. In major upheavals, sometimes babies get thrown out with the bathwater but this cannot deter us from our goal of getting rid of the those who profit from the status quo. We must return to the founder’s ideals.
At this point I will not say who is the best of the “not Romneys”. None of them is perfect, to say the least, but you go to war with what you have.
Romney, however nice a guy he may or may not be, cannot be allowed to win. He represents a class of people who fancy themselves to be aristocrats. You know who I mean: the blue bloods who consider themselves to be American royalty: who consider themselves to be our betters: who consider themselves to be higher purpose persons, if you will.
Their values are the antithesis of America’s original principles and are analogous to those of the British rulers that colonists rebelled against over two hundred years ago.
You have to make up your mind. Are you a loyalist or are you a patriot?
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Mitt just said that English was the official language of the United States. When did that law pass, Mitt, hmmm?
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Ooops! He just stepped into some serious merde!
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Why does Newt keep getting caught in Romney’s bs? Address the question that was posted. Who care about Romney’s investments? This is Gingrich throwing it away.
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Santorum is the only one even kinda sounding good. God help us all.
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I thought Santorum looked like the only adult on stage in that first segment.
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Just my thought, but I think Santorum won it at the end with his comment about taking the personal attacks out and just focusing on the issues.
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Just as Hillary supporters created the PUMA movement to oppose Barack becoming the nominee, Newt supporters need to come up with something sinilar to PUMA. Quickly.
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Ugh, Romney and Newt are at it again.
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Blitzer asked if we could move on, and then brings it all back up again. STOP ALREADY!
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“Romney denied knowledge of running an ad saying Gingrich referred to Spanish as the language of the ghetto. Here’s the ad, right on his campaign website.”
Projecting much, Mitt?
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Romney gives that Manchurian Candidate like feel to the debate
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The problem with endorsing either Romney or Gingrich is that whatever you want to believe about them, there is an abundance of actual footage of them that proves it.
That’s the problem with these polymorphic chameleon candidates. Whatever evidence you need to prove your point, you can find it because they’ve been on every side of every issue at one time or another. Both are more concerned with winning battles than winning wars. They’ll say anything to win. Not worth the emotional investment. There is no “there” there.
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But only one of the two has actually DONE anything. That’s the difference.
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“There is no “there” there.”
Resoundingly false in Newt’s case. On the contrary, the problem could be stated as an abundance of “there.”
This constant equivalence is a drag.
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Wow..I’m finally on a thread where someone types “polymorphic.” A first for me.
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Yeah, here I am putting my 2 cents in and I use a $2 word. I’ll go broke fast if I keep that up.
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I hate to say it but Paul has had a couple of good zingers tonight..
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Hey! Did you know that Paul was a physician? And he was a physician in the Air Force in 1962? Wow.. who knew? (Make you think of anyone else?).
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Re: Grandiose ideas, remember what everyone said about Reagan’s Star Wars
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Romney NEVER promises things people want to hear. Unreal.
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Re: Moon colony.
Mitt trashes Newt. Hey, Mitt: what’s your VISION? You know, about space and stuff.
P.S. Newt said 90% private sector. There’s probably a way to do it. Romney doesn’t even want to look at it. Some businessman–some patriot.
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Romney is dissing the idea that corporate America “wants a colony on the moon.” This colony on the moon business is a stand-in for space exploration generally, and he’s dead wrong. Newt should have come right back with specific reference to companies like Space-X, Virgin Galactic, XCOR, ULA, and so on. The idea that shrinking government means shrinking our horizons is false and electoral poison for conservatism.
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1. The idea that shrinking government means shrinking our horizons is false and electoral poison for conservatism.
Absolutely.
2. I view conservative principles as tools you pack in the wagon on the way to the frontier, i.e. the future.
3. A fledgling nation with uncertain viability once sent Lewis and Clark to survey the continent. Silly, huh?
I don’t close my eyes to the current crisis, but it is appropriate to bring up long-range issues like space though they may seem hypothetical to some people. Unless civilization self-destructs, they will not be hypothetical by the time Kathleen is a grandmother, and perhaps well before that.
4. By the way, it’s been some time since Kathleen posted.
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something dawned on me…
You know how we hear so much of this “inevitable”, “only serious”, “a real threat”, etc coming from the Democrats with regard to Romney.
They also give this “crazy”, “unelectable”, “self-destructive” narrative when talking about Newt.
When listening to their words, one would get the sense that they really want to run against Newt and are fearful of Romney
…so, why aren’t they helping bury Mitt for good? Instead, they seem to be trying to do it to Newt!
Right now, when his polling is down an a competitor is in a position to cut the legs out of his campaign, the Democrats could be moving full force against Mitt and line themselves up perfectly for what they claim they want; a Newt v. Obama election. So where are they?
They aren’t stupid when it comes to this kind of stuff – in fact, they are extremely cunning in attacks against competitors. So where are they?
I wonder if all these Establishment types and doomsayers will take notice of the Democrats seemingly enjoying watching (the “unelectable”) Newt get pounded while the candidate they supposedly fear, Romney, is oddly being left nearly alone by the left at this, his weakest point (so far)
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Santorum hit Romneycare-FINALLY! Also hit Newt but Romney will take the biggest hit.
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Santorum is really a very nasty little man. His campaign has no hope, and here he is, still attacking Newt. What a jerk.
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Romney: Ma healthcare–came together with “citizens of the nation”….MA is a nation???
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I’m not surprised; makes perfect sense.
Liberals always claim their ideas are the ideas of each and everyone in the country – the people aren’t supposed to be able to think for themselves, least the make what you are certain is the wrong choice. Case in point, “the 99%”; which somehow represents me and you and our families and anyone we know that isn’t a multimillionaire.
But that too makes sense – After-all, how is Communism ever going to work if people can make up their own minds? Duh…
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Santorum is eating Romney’s lunch on his healthcare. Good
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Whoops…Wolfie was trying to protect Mitt by shutting up Santorum. Didn’t work. The damage is done.
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“It’s not worth getting angry about.”
You heard the man.
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yes it is Mitt … you’re bragging about Romneycare, while Rick points out it is basically Obamacare. A LOT of people are very ANGRY about that. You can’t just laugh us off (I hope)
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What the heck is going on here? It appears that Newt has tranferred his ‘fire in the belly’ to Rick.
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yeah, I am thinking the same thing. Newt needs to get back in there .. NOW
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I thought the same thing. I keep waiting for him to get feisty with Rino Romney or with Wolf.
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Did Newt just suggest Rubio as his VP? Brilliant move!
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Oh boy, I’m really excited about the next question (NOT)
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yeah, i wish that these guys would say “let’s stick to the issues that matter”..
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Not me. I want to see Newt hit Romney hard, harder and hardest.
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Rick is acting in effect as Newt’s surrogate here. Attacking Romney in a way that Newt can’t because Newt has been for a mandate, but he never crafted a huge plan to implement it. Thank you, Rick!
If Santorum had started fighting this well for conservative principles early on, he might have had a chance. But, he left it to Newt. Unfortunately for Santorum, this is a death gasp for his campaign.
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Is it me or does Wolf Blitzer look like a funeral director?
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Who would ” fire him ” ?? Mitt or his blind trust ?
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Did you hear that? Wolf B. sez, “Why would your wife make the best First Lady?…When we come back…”
Taxpayer $$ being flung down the Green Energy Toilet, deficit spending that can never be repaid, our military slashed to the bone, an “Arab Spring” which surrounds our single ally in the Mideast with violent militant governments, the U.S. housing market flat on it’s back, a President who divides us into pliable voting blocs and promotes dependence, and CNN’s moderator wants to talk about prospective First Ladies?
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Romney: ” I became more conservative as a Gov” Oh really?? Prove it!
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“I’ve never voted for a Democrat if there wasn’t a Republican on the ballot.” Um, yeah. Whatevs. Real man or principle.
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TYPO CORRECTION: “I’ve never voted for a Democrat if there WAS a Republican on the ballot.” Um, yeah. Whatevs. Real man or principle.
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Proved a lie by Larry Sabato via tweet during the debate. When Mitt voted for liberal Tsongas, George HW Bush was on the ballot against Pat Buchanan. MITT chose to vote in the Dem Primary.
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Here’s link to tweet, https://twitter.com/#!/LarrySabato/status/162725092768489475
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Newt frames the Palestinian/Israeli fight in real terms. He knows what he is talking about.
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Proof that the longer campaign is making Romney a better candidate. His defense of his taxes and his wealth were his best yet.
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On that issue he was better, but utterly flummoxed on Romneycare. The no need to get angry comment was an especially stunning stumble.
Still, Palin was right that the longer the contest goes on the better for the candidates. It’s the reverse for the Democrats because they are never attacked in the MSM. But, Republicans will have the kitchen sink thrown at them. Better that it is thrown early and in the smaller venue of the Republican primary than later as an October surprise to stun voters.
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Agreed on Romneycare. Interesting that to me he was much better on that way back in the first few debates last May and in the summer. He had something like a 5 point difference on how Romneycare differed from Obamacare. He has it in him to better defend the issue.
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With Obamacare looming like the sword of
Damocles over our collective throats, a solid defense of Romneycare serves exactly one American, Mitt Romney, and no one else. Well, except Obama.
A defense of Romneycare is a defense of Obamacare.
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On FOX’s Special Report tonight, the panel all agreed that if the argument is over who is more Reaganesque, Newt wins that argument hands down.
Santorum skewered Romenycare pretty good … and Mitt just shrugged it off and said don’t get mad, (at me cramming Obamaneycare down everyone’s throat after the election).
Sorry Mitt … we’re mad as hell. Mitt can’t even get through the primaries without adMITTing he’ll flip back to government health care.
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Newt gives a great answer on faith. Romney…well, Romney talks a lot and his claque cheers wildly. (Must have bussed ‘em in by the gross.)
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Has anyone else noticed: a Mitt Romney ad has been running over the masthead through the whole debate.
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