Trump Picks Vice President: Ohio Sen. J.D. Vance
J.D. honorably served our Country in the Marine Corps, graduated from Ohio State “University in two years, Summa Cum Laude, and is a Yale Law School Graduate, where he was Editor of The Yale Law Journal, and President of the Yale Law Veterans Association.”
Former President Donald Trump’s vice president pick is…
Ohio Sen. J.D. Vance.
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DJT made a smart choice, but I hope that Vance declines the offer. He has too much to offer, long-term, to be Trump’s VP.
The offer was accepted way before the announcement
Long term may mean becoming the next standard bearer for the GOP and USA.
This is not something you decline after the announcement is made. If he didn’t want the spot he would have told them a long time ago. It would be a major embarrassment to offer someone the VP spot publicly and than have them publicly say no to you.
Trump to Deep State “try and kill me now bitches.”
Lolz. Why do you think the Deep State fears the guy who made a fortune in Silicon Valley?
Like Elon MusK?
A back-bencher who’s only been in the Senate for 2-years and has no notable legislative accomplishments of any kind to his name. Vance ran comfortably behind every GOP candidate on that same 2022 Ohio ballot. Ohio isn’t in play and there is no constituency that Vance brings that already isn’t in lockstep with Trump.
Worse yet, if they win, the most liberal GOP governor in America – Mike ‘Covid Lockdown’ DeWine is going to get to name Vance’s replacement. There is no real upside in this pick.
Trump was never in the Senate (or House) and had no legislative accomplishments. We don’t need more people who’ve never had a real job in any elective office.
Bullshit. We need people who have produced the results they say they’re going to produce.
We need a non RINO. Finally got one this time.
How do you know? Because he said so?
if they have already produced the results then they do not need to produce them
That’s the spirit! Who would you have picked?
In no particular order, Hawley, DeSantis, Youngkin, Paul, Mike Lee…people who have either been Executives who have a record of deliverables or have been in politics long enough to have stood for reelection so that we know exactly what they think. Someone who has been in the Senate for only 24-months has never had to take a tough vote. The only thing we know about Vance is what he’s told us.
Hawley might have been good. DeSantis would have been a waste of time and talent (He can do more as Florida’s governor.) Youngkin talked a big game to get elected, but has accomplished little else. Paul is too radical on foreign policy. Lee might have been good, but he seems better suited to the legislative branch.
Youngkin can’t do much because the VA legislature is Dem controlled.
Ditto what healthguysfu said about both houses of Virginia’s state legislature being controlled by Democrats. In addition, if Youngkin left the Governor’s mansion a year early we would lose his vetoes. He was elected before Dobbs; it will be very hard to elect another Republican governor after Dobbs.
Wouldn’t Winsome Sears inherit the veto pen?
And unlike Desantis, Youngkin only has a year left, and can’t be reelected, so moving jobs wouldn’t be that terrible for him.
DeSantis can’t be on the ticket, because he and Trump live in the same state.
He could be. If he were on the ticket and they got at least 285 electors, no problem, 15 of Florida’s electors can vote for Trump and someone else, and the other 15 for someone else and Desantis.
If they got fewer than 269 then they’ve lost anyway.
If they got between 270 and 284 then they’d have to look at how the house and senate came out. If the Rs held the senate then Florida’s electors would vote for Trump and someone else, and throw the VP election to the senate. If the Rs lost the senate but got a majority of state delegations in the house, then Florida’s electors would vote for someone else and Desantis, and throw the presidential election to the house.
Only if the Rs lost both, but still somehow managed to get between 270 and 284 electors, would they have to sacrifice Desantis, by having enough FL electors vote for Trump to push him over the top, and let the D senate elect Harris for VP. Not the end of the world, so long as Trump’s health remained good.
Anyway, it’s all moot now.
None of that means crap as poll after poll have shown…. It’s just the navel gazers trying to appear “tuned in and thoughtful” that bring up that sort of wet ball of meaninglessness
On the other hand Vance can perhaps shore up industrial Midwest support which is an important electoral college consideration. He is a Veteran, in particular a recent Vet deployed in GWOT which brings its own electoral plus. Vance has an intriguing background/story and his personal experience as an outsider probably resonates not only with many other people but with Trump. He owes some of his success as a candidate to Trump and his own basic philosophy about the Nation and the role of gov’t meshes with Trump’s views. I don’t foresee any obvious big disagreement between the two, certainly no back biting. Vance is a smart guy, had a tougher than average upbringing, Marine Corps combat Vet and he’s been in the Senate long enough to pick up the parliamentary maneuvering. Most valuable to me is his brand of thoughtful populism which pushes for results v rhetoric. The other factor is his age, born in ’84, understands the issues of younger American families and that’s going to be a factor as well. Sometimes the ‘OK, Boomer’ meme is overplayed but there is more than a grain of truth and relevance to it.
Youngkin may have been helpful in Virginia but not much beyond that. Bergum is a throwback to ’90s early ’00s chamber of commerce sort, their day has passed see Pence. Scott is too gentle. Rubio is from FL. Pompeo is an inside DC establishment operator. Noem shot her dog.
If Winsome Sears wasn’t barred b/c she’s a naturalized Citizen she would be my first choice but she has too strong a personality and is not sufficiently differential to Trump for him to have chosen her even if she was eligible to serve.
I agree with your statement regarding Winsome Sears. If she had been born in the U.S. she would’ve made an incredibly shrewd and attractive VP pick — a U.S. Army veteran, the current Lieutenant-Governor of Virginia, an unabashed and staunch conservative, and, dare I say it, a woman “of color,” which trait — although it shouldn’t matter, ideally — would help to bring support from black Americans.
It is too bad Allen West seems to have little desire to return to public office.
She hates Trump
Absolutely horrible pick
I was shocked at how she turned on a dime. I thought she was good at the beginning.
Vance is a great pick. The American story as he literally came from nothing. He fills a gap for Trump. I would have him working on domestic policy and selling whatever plan they come up with.
My dad’s from Ohio. I have a lot of family there and spend a lot of time there, particularly during the summer (I’m there right now). Ohio did not fall in love with Vance. The attack ads that Tim Ryan (and other special interests) ran against him were HIGHLY effective. While it doesn’t get much play in conservative media, Vance has rich history in Silicon Valley VC firms and that history did not look appealing to blue-collar Ohio workers. While he managed to win by 6-points, that was after an INSANE amount of money was infused into his campaign and the contest was a nail-biter until the last couple weeks. He still under-performed the Governor, AG and SecState by at least 6-points. He has a LOT of work to do to appeal to blue-collar workers.
BTW, While I applaud everyone’s military service and it’s nice to have vet close to the Oval Office, he’s no combat vet. He was an Air Wing POA officer. He does not rate the Combat Action Ribbon.
IMO, if you serve a deployment to the sandbox you qualify as a combat veteran b/c of the nature of the conflict, especially early on with lots of indirect fire from mortars/rockets. Lots of supposedly ‘non combat arms’ MOS were injured and killed inside the wire. Volunteering to serve in the USMC post 9/11, honorably serving including in Iraq and Haiti seems like a positive to me.
I defer to your local knowledge of Ohio though as I understand it his campaign was hampered by his populist policy stances that the more chamber of commerce, go along get along sorts of power brokers in the GoP establishment didn’t care for and didn’t exactly enthusiastically support him.
The rust belt will determine this election in my opinion.
I picked up his book Hillbilly Elegy Saturday. His life story and background will probably be very appealing to rust belt blue-collar working-class voters. To say that he did not come from a privileged background would be a gross understatement.
To graduate with honors from Ohio State then Yale Law School as the son of a single mother struggling with drug addiction and largely raised by his hillbilly grandmother is astounding to me.
Don’t know much about his venture capital time with Peter Thiel’s company but I have occasional indirect contact with Peter Thiel and sometimes converse with his close associates. My only conclusion from that experience is that Peter is no nonsense and results oriented. Since Vance excelled in that environment, he likely shares those traits.
From what I understand from a friend who is very active in Ohio GOP politics, Vance ran behind DeWine and La Rose in every demo. But, he really struggled to connect with blue-collar voters. Granted, those voters were Tim Ryan’s bread & butter. But, the Ryan campaign and other Dem pacs were able to effectively paint Vance as an entitled guy, which is weird considering his background. But, the results spoke for themselves. The incumbent GOP SecState Frank La Rose (prior-service Ranger/Special Forces Group Staff NCO w/Bronze Star) won reelection by 20-points and DeWine by 25 or more points. Vance won by 6-points.
Well there’s lots of blue collar union organization leaders that endorse the d/prog year after year and they keep their hold on power so…a substantial # of those blue collar members keep voting to return these d/prog endorsing leaders to union office.
It seems to me that we are in the midst of a political realignment and the institutions haven’t yet caught up and many folks are struggling to embrace the changes. The GoP has become the more populist party, more main St less Wall.St while keeping most of the traditional values or at least openly rejecting the Cray Cray culture crap the d/prog push; transgender nonsense, calls for bigger govt socialism, over regulation, abortion on demand up to and in some cases after the birth of a child, forever war foolishness, runaway govt spending, picking up govt debt to stick our children with the tab.
This realignment is ongoing and the final lines ain’t drawn yet. I suspect that JD Vance is more popular than some may believe, certainly he is gonna be more able to present a populist laced message than the other potential nominees who weren’t chosen.
DeWine was an incumbent that ran against Nan Whaley, the Mayor of Dayton.
LaRose was an incumbent that against Chelsea Clark, a Forest Park council member.
Unfair to compare them, popular statewide politicians running against nobodies, to the Vance, a first timer, running against a sitting congreeman with a national reputation.
That comment was directed to TargaGTS, if it was not clear already.
Air Wing POA Officer – a Power of Attorney Officer, an officer who assists the troops in making a Power of Attorney? I was not a Marine and if it doesn’t involve Power of Attorney then I don’t know that abbreviation.
PAO – Public Affairs Officer.
Dude you know how fucking hard it is to get the combat action medal? My crew filed 2 reports to get that medal because we were shot at from the ground and were denied TWICE. All the other crews that filed were also denied but the E9s and O5s that came out for a 45 day “tour” ended up getting them because the base came under attack while they were there. Allot of the same assholes got bronze stars just for being there with their rank. If you were on the ground, lived or flew into/out of a combat zone you are a combat vet, period. I spent over 430 total days in Iraq over 3 years so yeah I might know what I’m talking about.
Ryan has two fatal flaws that Vance doesn’t have, Ryan is not a likeable character, zero charm or charisma, He may have been liked in the district but you now have to appeal to a statewide voter base. His presidential bid was a total flop. The second fatal flaw, a career in politics when the move was to elect outsiders. My family was is from SE Ohio with many relatives still there. The region was in decades of steady decline, the fracking industry completely changed the region and brought in much needed capital, wealth and jobs.
She hates Trump
Absolutely horrible pick
Like I stated no way in hell Trump overlooks her lack of deference and unwillingness to kiss the ring. She does posses a strength of character and personal story that’s very powerful. The VP does owe loyalty to the POTUS but that loyalty is to the office not the person who holds the office. Vance has populist views in line with DJT and is IMO the best pick among the last four potential picks being bounced around in public; Vance, Youngkin, Bergum, Rubio.
Actually he doesn’t. The VP doesn’t work for the P, and isn’t his subordinate. But a VP candidate had better show loyalty to the P candidate, or the campaign will be a disaster. (And vice versa, as we saw disastrously with McCain’s disloyalty to Palin.)
Sure, the VP holds a separate Constitutional Office and has distinct Constitutional duties.. In the modern era the expectation is that the VP supports the President serving as an extension v a separate entity. Despite the 12th amendment reform to election as VP this evolution in how the role of the office of VP is perceived. I believe it was LBJ declared it ‘not worth a bucket of warm spit’. The modern expectation is that the VP owes loyalty to the office of the President in assisting to pass and implement the policies of the President.
It was John Garner, VP for FDR’s first two terms, perhaps in a conversation with LBJ. What he said was “piss”, but it was reported as “spit”.
And yes, people have built up this expectation, but that’s all it is. There is no legal basis for it, so once the election is over if a VP wants to turn against the president he’s entirely within his legal and moral rights and there’s nothing the president can do about it. But during the campaign mutual loyalty is necessary, or the ticket is almost guaranteed to crash and burn.
Vance’s young and blue collar roots certainly don’t hurt in WI, MI, PA. He is also to young and inexperienced to be a candidate in 2028, so will be totally focused on being the VP.
I hear all of the other choices who didn’t make the short list (Hawley, Youngin, ect), they are effective and more important where they already are!
So, then, you’ve just described the White Obama.
Maybe not a bad strategy after all.
Unfortunate but not unexpected
Guess whiskers were not the issue some made them to be. Vance has room to grow and bring the country behind him. Compared to Harris, a high ceiling vs. a low bar.
Now, to get him to either shave, or grow a proper beard. Scruff is so 2000s.
I speak as a long-,time beard-o. 47 years on the one you see in my avatar.
This is still the 2000s and some like their scruff, which can also last for decades. To think that it mattered to Trump was silly, as some media reported, illustrates how shallow they were, unless he was, in fact, chosen solely for the whiskers. Maybe those journalists should ask.
Especially since one of his kids has a beard
In that photo? That isn’t scruff. It’s a perfectly fine Jeremy Boreing beard. And he runs a men’s grooming company.
Carson was my #1
But Vance was #2
Hoping his anti Trump bs from year’s past was youth inexperience
johnnys been dead for a while
Tsk tsk…
Vance will be tough for DeSantis to overcome, if he indeed becomes VP
If he puts on the kneepads to kowtow to Putin, I think he’d be vulnerable
Ukraine is still taking volunteers if you’re so adamant about defending Zelenskyy. He isn’t exactly a sympathetic figure; jailing clergy, taking over TV and radio stations, true censorship and suppression, imprisonment of his political oppression, cancelling of elections….and most tragically allowing himself to be used by neocon stooge like Victoria Nuland to do the bidding of the DC uni party and the failed foreign policy establishment.
IMO we have seen what the “genius” ticket of Biden/Harris has delivered. This guy graduated Ohio State Summa Cum Laude in two years and was editor of the Yale Law Journal. Trump will be a lame duck on Day 1, since he can’t run again. I have always said that this election should have been for the next generation, for both parties. Although 39-year old Vance was not my first choice, this sets the party up well for the future.
I see one term, freedom to stomp on the right toes, as a great opportunity.
From my cheap seat this is a great selection; young, energetic, smart, a true Americana story of humble to accomplished…and a Senator, which is nothing to slouch about.
I trust PDJT’s instincts, especially now after he’s been in the show…and…who – by all accounts – just won The Election in July.
God Speed for both.
Trump’s ‘instincts’ gave us Pence, Rex Tillerson, Omaroso, Sacramucci, Fauci, Milley, Esper…I could go on and on. Trump has an UNCANNY ability to surround himself with losers.
Did you get possessed by ‘JR’?
Trump’s Achilles Heel is his personnel choices, which is odd considering he’s the first businessman we’ve had in the White House in generations. But, it’s undeniable. For whatever reason, he picks hugely disloyal people who often times aren’t very conservative at all. When I said ‘I could go one and on’ that wasn’t hyperbole. The list of people he put into REALLY important positions that were absolutely dreadful is incredibly long.
Vance could turn out to be a great conservative. A few more years in the Senate, we would have known for certain. There is a reasonably substantial list of people we know right now would be hugely reliable conservative Presidents, if given the chance.
Either get on board the only viable train at the station…or not…your choice. But understand this is Round 2 and if you can’t see that PDJT has developed serious chops in this arena (what I call historical nitpicking while living in the past) and not realizing that a man like him actually learns from former errors, like who to trust…is fully counterproductive to the real goal. Like him or not, he is all we have, and Round 1 in The Oval Office behind The Resolute Desk proved the man gets it done without equivocation but Battleship-sized cajones. I like that for a President (strong but fair), and will take that over The Husk and his Handlers any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
…otherwise we end up with The Destroyers who want America’s demise which includes We The People, and as we saw two short days ago, will take out anyone they determine an enemy to their reprehensible goals, which is for a strong and free America. I for one am unwilling to watch the Cretins ruin the greatest country ever devised and have to have some trust he knows what he is doing. Besides, The hand of God is upon him….not me, not you, not anyone else. Him. I trust his VP pick and his look to the future in those he will surround himself this time around.
SISU MAGA ™ FIGHT!
[geez…”which ISN’T for a strong…America.” Long day.]
@camperfixer: “Either get on board the only viable train at the station…or not…your choice.” There is the problem right there, that we the people ONLY have two choices, or rather two parties, that are allowed to compete in the voting Olympics. The old cliche’ of “lessor of to evils” is so worn out now, it’s pathetic. If a candidate or party does not represent my values, morals and ethics that way I want them to, then it’s my choice not to vote/participate at all. There are not logical arguments to force me to vote for something I do not support or cannot support or don’t desire to participate in. That “viable train” is still going to run on corrupt rails, rotting ties, deferred maintenance, regulators that turn a blind eye because they are paid off, employees that are not qualified running through an utterly broken and corrupt countryside with no future.
The Democrats and Republicans are two cheeks on the same ass and I have no desire to participate any further in this clusterfuck. It’s my choice.
IMO more service in DC is LAST flipping thing we need. We need far more folks from outside the DC establishment who have yet to become beholden to the uni party cabal. The old paradigms are broken and corrupted, they should no longer be viewed as some sort of mandatory CV.
thats one way to look at it b/c you are not wrong
but the other pov is
he is willing to allow people to come in and show what they got
and since he knows he is still in charge he will dispense with them as opposed to letting them linger on …vp not included there
trump is conservative in the sense that he is pro american
whereas the dnc can only CLAIM THEY are pro american but their actions show the love of communism is all they always have been and will be about
My thought
commoChief
exactly
he threw the spanner in the works at the uniparty and they went ballistic
for over a century now the gop has pretended and after the 1960’s the pretend gave way to surrender
the msm won the war and the dems have been smooth sailing since
First time…shame on them
This time….. better be payback to the first timers.
I don’t think many of us appreciated how deep the Deep State was nor how many RINOs were hiding in conservative clothing. Pence turned out to be a turncoat and when he had a chance to be an Adams or a Jefferson, showed he was an Arnold.
Exactly. Most of us view this stuff from the cheap seats filtered or manipulated through any media source, we are limited.
Thank God he picked a whip smart, young, conservative firebrand. Maybe this will usher in 12 years of conservative rule. I just hope that before returning to normality the left is steamrolled into oblivion by the utilization of the same abuses they used to ruin the country. I also hope it gets personal and the most egregious traitors are utterly ruined.
Honestly, I think the fact that Vance was not initially sold on Trump in 2016 (for the record neighter was I until the first Thursday/Friday in September 2016) are huge points in his favor. Besides, how can you go against the first Vice Presidential candidate since 1869 with a beard.
Funny…shades of “They’ll never elect a Catholic”… only more petty. A beard?…when half the young males are walking around with a 3-day scruff? Give me a break. That’s because they have little else to complain about so are digging.
BTW…to clarify…I was agreeing with you about the beard while being critical of those who have somehow made this “a thing”.
Maybe its a generational issue? Gen X and under doesn’t care about facial hair the same way most boomers dumped wearing hats that the prior generations saw as somehow necessary.
Lincoln had a beard, Grant, several others
hillary
kentaji
warren
dont forget them
Lincoln didn’t have a beard when he campaigned. He grew it after the election.
This guy’s going to have a lot of work to do. He’s got to now expand beyond Ohio and get lots of people behind him.
For strategic reasons, this is an odd choice.
I do like Vance though.
Trump now controls the RNC and is not heavily influenced by the establishment wing like he was in his first rodeo. He knows that this election will be decided in the rust belt by blue collar workers whom the Globalist uniparty types have abandoned. I am reading Hillbilly Elegy which is Vance’s personal story and even more the story of millions of struggling working-class people in Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. I predict that he will solidify Trump’s appeal to those blue-collar voters and deliver at least one of the key rust belt states to the GOP. If he accomplishes that mission, then Trump is our next President.
And if you grew up around those type of people in any of those “industrial or farm areas”, you get it and why Sen. Vance is a great pick.
I grew up outside a large Army base. Lots of those types of people in my circle growing up, particularly the career NCO’s whose families were the majority of folks living in my neighborhood. I suspect that once they learn about Vance, they will be adamant supporters.
I haven’t read his book (yet). I live about an hour outside the city he grew up in, so the area is familiar.
And in my experience, hillbillies and rednecks have actual useful skills. Unlike life-long politicians.
Bet he doesn’t think you’re an idiot if you vote for Trump now!
A lot has changed since 2016. I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016, but I did in 2020, and will again this year.
while a can of tuna could defeat kamala in a debate
nice to see someone who can define what a women is and what a man is
mr j.dddddd vance!
It’s The Ohio State University. j/k
As one who grew up in Ohio and still has family all over the state including rural areas he was a solid pick. His personality and measured style is a sharp contrast to Trump. He will destroy Harris ( not a high bar). He has contacts in the mega donor crowd. The race now becomes a clash between the government outsiders vs the career insiders.
Based on the people who absolutely did not want Vance, some of the scummiest, worst characters in and around politics …. It’s a pretty good reason and argument for the guy
I haven’t had time to read any of the comments yet, so I don’t know whether anyone has raised it, but to me one giant red flag is that Vance worked at Sidley Austin. That’s almost as bad as having worked at Perkins Coie.
Then again Mike Lee worked there too, and he turned out OK despite that.
JD Vance has as much experience as Community Org Obama had when he was elected President, more when his military experience is included. Learning as VP first & being able to step in to the Oval Office after for 8 years sounds like a plan
And who said that was a good idea?
How is that experience relevant to the job?
I’m not sure what this means, but the presidency will be vacant in 4 years, not 8.
First of all, I’m making a comparison. Take it as you want.
Secondly, reading comprehension is important. That’s what I said, “being able to step into the Oval Office after, ( key word there) for 8 years sounds like a plan“.
I don’t know what language that is, but it’s not English.
Milhouse,
I get it, you are a very smart person. And I’m not. Thank you for pointing that out. Everyone else was kind enough to scroll on bye without being condescending & rude.
I have an opinion. I stated it. Maybe not as eloquently as you might have.
You have a nice day.
All it took is the nomination of Vance to end the bogus Democrat calls for unity and civility and let them get back to their usual name calling, lying, and slurring gutter politics. I knew it wouldn’t last more than a few days. They can’t help themselves—lies and slurs are all they’ve got due to their reprehensible ideology.
I’m not sure about Vance. I hope Trump showed better hiring judgement than he has in the past.
I read Hillbilly Elegy. Vance had a totally disfunctional youth. I know people can overcome their pasts, but I wonder about this. His mother was a drug addict who couldn’t keep a husband or boyfriend over time. His grandmother, who partially raised him and whom he idolized, came off as a psycho who carried a pistol and threatened or shot anyone who angered her. IIRC correctly, she shot her husband, but not fatally.
The biggest turnoff for me was a single line, which, paraphrased, said “Obama was wonderful.” Vance’s book was published in 2016.
I am glad that Trump didn’t go the DIE route. Also, Vance is young, so hopefully he can carry the MAGA torch forward.
Vance certainly overcame his youth! Graduated from The Ohio State University with Summa Cum Laude (the top achievement level) and then his J.D. from Yale University.