Trump Scorches Report That Biden Won’t be Charged Over Handling of Classified Documents
“WE ARE LIVING IN A VERY CORRUPT COUNTRY!”
Sources leaked that Special Counsel Robert Hur likely won’t charge President Joe Biden over his handling of classified documents from when he served as vice president.
Maybe Trump should have stored classified documents in his garage beside his Corvette.
CNN tried to make Trump’s case sound worse than Biden’s because the National Archives tried to get back the documents, and the FBI had to get a search warrant for it.
But Biden’s team notified the National Archives immediately, even though he hasn’t been vice president SINCE 2016.
The DOJ has a policy not to indict a sitting president. But still. Hogwash.
Of course, Trump is ticked off. I’m not even a Trump person, and I’m furious about it:
WOW! FAKE NEWS CNN, THROUGH A LEAK FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF INJUSTICE, HAS JUST REPORTED THAT NO CHARGES WILL BE FILED IN THE (MUCH BIGGER THAN MINE!!!) CROOKED JOE BIDEN DOCUMENTS CASE. WE ARE LIVING IN A VERY CORRUPT COUNTRY!
How did the National Archives know about Trump’s documents but never mention Biden’s documents? Who knows how many classified documents are not secured around this country? (Looking at you, Hillary.)
I have a hard time believing that Biden just happened to remember that he had classified documents at his UPenn center and his Delaware home:
In January, the White House confirmed that personal attorneys for Biden discovered classified material in his post-presidency office at Washington’s Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement the previous November, days before the midterm elections.
CNN reported at the time that around 10 classified documents, some marked “top secret,” were found and related to the United Kingdom, Ukraine and Iran.
Other classified documents were recovered from Biden’s Wilmington, Del., home — where images from Hunter Biden’s abandoned laptop show a beaten up box of “Important Doc’s” and indicate Hunter had access to the family garage where documents were stored not far from where Biden’s 1967 Corvette Stingray was parked.
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There is no comment that can sum this up.
What about family conspiracy to sell classified documents?
Stolen elections have consequences.
Ari Fleischer was on Fox trying to make that same ridiculous argument. What a complete POS. And there was no pushback against his obvious idiocy and support of the total treasonous corruption of the federal government.
It is just amazing how these people can act as if the insane raid against Trump at Mar-A-Lago, press in tow, was anything but one of the most despicable, treasonous, and dangerous acts of government abuse in American history. UNREAL.
This is how things look as everything unravels at the end …
That does make the cases different. When the person with the documents returns them the standard procedure is to let them off with a warning. When a raid has to happen to get them back that is when charges happen.
Yeah? March 31, 2005:
Sandy Berger, who was President Clinton’s top national security aide, pleaded guilty Friday to taking classified documents from the National Archives and cutting them up with scissors.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7351422
We know where you are coming from.
Idiocy – Trump had a legal right to access documents from his Presidency and only had the documents for a year, under lock and key and protected by the Secret Service as well as private security. He also let them be reviewed by the govt. Biden had them for over 6 years and had no legal rights as a Veep and Senator
1. He had no right to those documents as former president
2. He did not let them be reviewed he lied about what he had and tried to get his lawyers to destroy them
3. Biden returned the documents when asked Trump didn’t.
You may not like it but Trump did everything he could to hand them a slam dunk case.
If Biden had refused to return those documents the cases would comparable.
Welcome back. Sorry to see that your rectocraniotomy was unsuccessful.
Hey, while you were gone, a whole bunch of your “peaceful Muslims” left you about 200 messages. You, and every other white American.
1. Trump, as President had the right to declassify anything and it’s on his word that what ever is declassified is declassified, as he is the very top of Government. There is no over arching Government entity that he has to apply to for declassifying what ever he wants.
2. FBI had been to his residence multiple times to review security arrangements for the documents and had been given access when ever they wanted.
3. Biden should NEVER have had any classified material as he had no power to declassify anything. Further more the documents were unsecured and anyone could have had access to them without anyone’s knowledge BUT all that is besides the point because at the end of the day Biden should NEVER have had any classified material at his home or at the University.
Whether Biden handed them over willingly is nether here nor there. That’s like saying the drug cartel guy, let’s call him Hunter, willingly handed over his cocaine to the police and therefore should not be prosecuted for possessing cocaine.
1. Biden had no right to the documents he stored in his Delaware home, in his Delaware garage, and at his UPenn office.
2. Biden lied when he claimed he didn’t haveany further classified documents after those that were found in his Delaware home. (They subsequently found caches of classified documents in his UPenn office closet and in the garage of his Delaware home)
3. Federal law makes mere possession of classified documents w/out proper authorization a serious federal felony. Does not matter when (or how) they were returned.
You may not like it but Biden violated federal law governing classified documents and should have been charged with the same alleged crimes as Trump.
It doesn’t matter at what point those documents were returned. Mere possession w/out proper authorization is a serious violation of federal law governing classified documents.
#3 is beyond stupid even for you, Danny. There is no “oops, I didn’t mean to take these” exclusion concerning classified docs.
LOL.
That is utterly retarded. There is no standard procedure about letting someone take classified documents and then giving them back if someone asks.
Trump had every right to take the documents he had. Biden had no right to have any of those documents he had scattered around the east coast, from Chinatown to his friggin garage.
Go crawl back under your rock.
No he did not have the right. Why is it some people are dense enough to think we have presidents for life? We don’t. He had no right to the documents.
By the way yes there are standard procedures in deciding on if they go to charges. What got Trump the charges was he refused to turn the documents back over to the government after repeated requests from the government at many levels.
As President, Trump DID have a right to those documents. Biden, on the other hand, had taken documents as a senator and as vice president. Neither position provided such rights.
Again, federal law governing classified documents makes it a serious federal offense simply to be in possession of classified documents without proper authorization. It does not matter when they are returned. Mere possession of the documents is a violation of federal law concerning classified documents.
The whole “But Biden returned them immediately when he found them.” narrative was the propaganda spin of the Biden regime put on it and has no basis in law.
You possess the classified documents without proper authorization you have violated federal law concerning classified documents.
•• Biden’s Delaware Home
•• Biden’s Garage at his Delaware Home
•• Biden’s Closet at his UPenn Center Office
And that’s all she wrote.
This is an example of head where daylight does not shine. Presidents can have and declassify documents, VP have no rights.
But they were Trump’s documents, he was allowed to keep what he wanted, Biden on the other hand,……!
Bullshite. Utter bullshite. Federal law makes it a serious felony to simply be in possession of classified documents without proper authorization and has nothing to do with when or if you ever return them. You have them in your possession without proper authorization you have violated federal law governing classified documents.. So it makes no difference when or how they are returned and isn’t “standard procedure” to let the person off with a “warning” simply because they gave them back. Again, mere possession of the documents w/out authorization is a crime.
No it doesn’t not. Article 2 extends the reclassification process only to the President. Biden had no right to even possess them so that’s completely irrelevant. That’s also a civil process too. Smh
You are 100 percent right. That was affirmed in Dept of the Navy v. Egan. This guy is FOS
Kind of like Hamas with so called journalists in tow
Or, the FBI and other alphabet law enfarcement with journalists in tow.
My experience is that classified documents have control numbers and once a year a lady from security goes through your safe and makes sure everything charged to you is there and nothing not charged to you is there.
Sort of a positive control mechanism.
Apparently, they just hand boxes of them over to Senators.
When you store a classic vehicle, it’s important to chock the tires with something heavy, so it doesn’t take off and roll downhill like a Democratic presidential administration.
Biden stole documents when he was a Senator and VP so there are no control numbers for anyone to check since he stole them. I wonder if the control lady checked his garage behind his Corvette for the numbers?
Pretty sure the control numbers are attached to the copies of the documents when they are created, not when they are handed out.
some animals are more equal then others …
paraphrasing animal farm.
that is what this is feeling like
The big difference is that Trump, as president, has the authority to declassify his documents while Senator and VP Biden did not.
Biden did not have authority to have those documents.
Neither did Hunter… or Xi.
The 1978 Presidential Documents Act doesn’t apply to selling the VP’s office.
What about all the Biden people that monkeyed around with these documents?
What about the documents that remain inaccessible, such as Univ. of Delaware? Will they ever be seen?
Another reason not to trust the administration of justice in America, which seems to target the wrong people while letting violators go scott free.
Sorry. Did not mean to offend monkeys.
I wonder if the “leak” is a trial balloon, meant to determine just how much public outrage there would be if Biden were allowed to get away from this without any charges.
Perhaps the media on the sane side of the political aisle should do its best to shine the spotlight on this so that people will start talking about it.
“public outrage”
inform the public in the AM and by lunchtime they’ve already forgotten
Sad, but too true.
He’s their pedophile, they were never going to charge him
Penn Center? You mean the one with classified documents about Ukraine run by the guy sitting next to Brandon on stage when he bragged about the Quid Pro Quo that went against Obama’s administration guidelines? The one that got over $60,000,000 from companies tied to the Chinese Government? That one?
The Deep State isn’t going to charge Sundowner with any crimes, he is their Puppet
Tone deaf is way too mild a description for yet another instance of application of rules based on political affiliation. Eroding the public’s faith, confidence and basic respect for our societal institutions by the deliberate choices of the establishment is gonna have severe consequences at some point. Once the institutions are perceived as irredeemably partisan there’s no coming back from that loss of respect. We largely depend on voluntary compliance and if the public no longer respects the institutions or their political leaders the public may just decide to begin ignoring them and refusing to voluntarily comply with a host of things. We.see a bit of this recently in BLM, Antifa, Eco extremists and the Hamas rallies; all of whom are creations of the left. The center/right has refrained from similar actions so far with J6 the one notable exception and it has been wildly mischaracterized.
“Once the institutions are perceived as irredeemably partisan there’s no coming back from that loss of respect.”
I have a mental picture of a mafia thug lounging back with his pistol and baseball bat, grinning, and asking ‘so what are you gonna do about it, huh?”
On the other hand you could substitute the image of the nice, polite Tea Party crowds….who suddenly begin to act like leftist crowds of Antifa. Will it happen? I hope to hell it doesn’t come to that. I spent 26+ years in uniform and saw duty in multiple places where order broke down and insurgency/civil war took place; we should avoid that at almost any cost.
It seems DC is just itching for America to go full on revolt against them.
yeah! but who’s volunteering to be in the vanguard?
a bunch of oldtimers with their walkers and canes?
Sadly true.
Like the saying goes, the older you get, the less the threat of a life sentence — or even death by cop — impresses you.
It’s not a tittle different than what we ask of every one of our soldiers… and they have a lot more to lose than we do.
you’d be surprised how many “old timers” still have it in them and and their late stage in life figure, “what the hell”
We’re cowards
Otherwise the Jan 6 political prisoners would have been released by now
Trump chose not to pardon them so take it up with him.
It would have been wrong to do so in his 2 weeks left, not fully cognizant of the who and what.
However, in May, 2023, at Saint Anselm College, he said: “I am inclined to pardon many of them. I can’t say for every single one, because a couple of them, probably they got out of control. And it’ll be very early on.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-pardon-large-portion-jan-6-rioters-rcna83873
You want to give him a pass? Ok but that doesn’t alter the fact he had the power to do so and didn’t use it. IMO he should have used the power then and pardoned the crowd for the potential minor charges. He could have excluded acts of violence, theft or vandalism. That would have resolved most of the issues.
You cannot get to the bottom of it in 2 weeks. That’s why he gets a pass, as you say. It would have been irresponsible otherwise, as he said, because there were some that should not be pardoned.
Just because you have power does not mean you must exercise it, in this and many instances.
So you can call it giving a pass, but it was more that the clock ran out.
One of the clocks ran out, the one counting down the days Trump had left to take any meaningful action with a blanket pardon for all minor potential charges. It was a bad decision IMO and you disagree with my analysis/opinion which is totes ok.
What’s less ok is the Trump supporters from J6 still behind bars, some who have not yet had a trial. We don’t hear much from the Trump campaign about these folks, their legal troubles and the very high costs they incurred stemming from going to DC to support Trump and ‘Stop the Steal’.
can you pardon someone that hasn’t been charged with a crime?
Yes, of course you can (if you’re the president, that is). Where could anyone have got the idea that you can’t? You can pardon someone without even knowing who they are, simply by pardoning everyone who did something, or participated in something. That goes all the way back to George Washington.
Have you seriously never heard of Ford pardoning Nixon, or of Carter pardoning all Vietnam-era draft dodgers?
And that’s the key point…IF you are President. IMO, wasting the opportunity in Jan ’21 while still in office to pardon lesser offenses but now seeming to suggest he may do so if returned to the office isn’t exactly a flex or something to hang your hat on.
It wasn’t as if in Jan ’21 there was any mystery about the ideology of the bureaucracy or the cheerleaders in media demanding harsh punishment for what they were calling an ‘insurrection’. We had most of Congress flipping out including weirdos like Sen Graham wanted to know why the Capital Police didn’t shoot more folks; ‘You have a gun why didn’t you shoot them’ was how I remember the quote.
Let’s not gloss over the fact the Pelosi as Speaker ran the Capital Police. So we have a politicised FBI/DoJ (about to to become more so with Biden appointees), Capital PD under control of Pelosi, media cheerleaders for max punishment and Congress pretty much united in demanding very harsh treatment to include some who seemed to favor summary execution.
All that was absolutely known by Trump at the time and it was very clear these folks were gonna get railroaded …yet Trump didn’t offer a pardon for the lessor offenses but now says he might do it if elected? Not exactly a clear cut promise to accompany his less than impressive record on this issue.
Biden is a Dem … therefore rules
do not apply … simple… he can do pretty much what he wants and there is very little push back … now
during Covid .. the USSC did smack
him back telling him he didn’t have the authority to do many of the things he tried. but that was rare….
I hope no=one is surprised by this
Mary Chastain: How did the National Archives know about Trump’s documents
Some of the documents were kept in the White House residence. The White House Counsel, Pat Cipollone, determined they were government records that should be returned to the government. They weren’t. The Archives made a written request for the return of the documents in May 2021. If Trump had returned them with an “Oops!”, that would have been the end of it.
Mary Chastain: I have a hard time believing that Biden just happened to remember that he had classified documents at his UPenn center and his Delaware home
He didn’t. The documents were discovered by Biden’s personal attorneys when packing files. It was reported to the Archives, which took possession the next day. Biden then allowed additional searches, which resulted in a small number of additional documents being discovered.
ChrisPeters: As President, Trump DID have a right to those documents.
Once Trump was no longer president, he was no longer authorized to keep classified documents. When the government requested them, he had an obligation to return them. When the courts ordered them returned, and he refused, that makes his retention “willful”.
ChrisPeters: Biden, on the other hand, had taken documents as a senator and as vice president.
The Vice President has the power to classify documents. Senators often have legal access to classified documents. No one has the right to keep government documents after leaving office.
Lucifer Morningstar: You possess the classified documents without proper authorization you have violated federal law concerning classified documents.
There are caveats: The documents have to be relating to the national defense; and possession has to be willful and not due to, for instance, an administrative error.
MarkS: But they were Trump’s documents, he was allowed to keep what he wanted
No. They are government documents.
“How did the National Archives know about Trump’s documents but never mention Biden’s documents? Who knows how many classified documents are not secured around this country? (Looking at you, Hillary.)”
That’s easy. Look at it this way, the subpoena and search warrant requested/looked for documents marked classified. What documents did the DOJ and FBI know that Trump had that fell into that category? The binder of documents formally ordered declassified Trump’s last full day in office, that implicated two organizations, the FBI’s Counterintelligence Div (CID) and the DOJ’s Counterintelligence and Export branch (CEB), in malfeasance, perfidy, and misfeasance in the Crossfire Hurricane and Mueller investigations. Turns out, the branch chief for the CEB is one Jay Bratt. He very likely is the one who initiated the request by Archives (authorized by the FJB WH). He definitely is the one who subpoenaed the documents, refused Trump’s attorneys’ request for extensions of time and for rolling production, who then used their failure to respond quickly enough as justification for the MAL search warrant, where he denied Trump’s attorneys’ request to be there to oversee it (and we know that some of the scenes from the raid were fabricated). He then signed the indictment – but apparently before the FJB Administration could yank Trump’s security, and possibly reclassify some of the documents he had. Not surprisingly, he gained a second hat through these shenanigans – he is also now Jack Smith’s Deputy Special Counsel.
And what about the other organization implicated in that declassified binder? The FBI’s CID ran the MAL raid, and no doubt are the ones who searched through the hundreds of boxes of documents for any still marked as classified. That’s partially because they have high enough security clearances. Remember the CID? Yes, that is where Peter Strzok was a section chief. They are the ones who half heartedly searched Crooked Hillary’s email server, and apparently generated the careless but not reckless excuse that D Comey used to white wash her crimes. They also were the ones who set up Flynn in their § 1001 perjury trap, and lied by omission, and even commission, on the four Carter Page FISA warrants.
Bruce Hayden: What documents did the DOJ and FBI know that Trump had that fell into that category?
That’s easy. Trump had documents regarding U.S. and foreign nuclear capabilities.
And? As President he has every right to what ever he wants. That’s how the system works.
If Trump says they are declassified that is the end of the story. There is no higher authority he has to apply to for approval since his word IS approval:
mailman: As President he has every right to what ever he wants.
* Trump isn’t president.
* Most classification is under the administrative authority of the president, but Trump is charged under 18 U.S. Code § 793, which doesn’t require classification.
* Nuclear secrets are not under the administrative authority of the president, but protected by statute.
* Even if declassified, they remain government property.
* Regardless of the status of the documents, Trump had to surrender them pursuant to court order.
* There is probable cause evidence that Trump conspired to obstruct the return of the documents pursuant to court order.