Fulton County (GA) Prematurely Publishes Trump Indictment Docket Sheet
13 Felonies listed on docket, even though Grand Jury still meeting and hasn’t voted.
In case you had any doubt that Fani Willis is going to get an indictment against Donald Trump, there no longer is any doubt. The Fulton County, Georgia, Clerk’s Office published — then quickly took down — the docket sheet for the indictment of Trump. Even though the Grand Jury does not appear, as of yet, to have indicted Trump.
Reuters, whose correspondent had tweeted and then deleted about the indictment, reports:
The Fulton County, Georgia, court’s website briefly posted a document on Monday listing several criminal charges against former U.S. President Donald Trump that appeared related to his attempts to overturn his 2020 election defeat in the state, before taking the document down without explanation.
The Fulton County District Attorney’s office said in a statement that no charges had been filed against Trump.
The document was dated Aug. 14 and named Trump, citing the case as “open,” but is no longer available on the court’s website. Reuters was not immediately able to determine why the item was posted or removed.”The Reuters report that those charges were filed is inaccurate. Beyond that we cannot comment,” a spokesperson for the District Attorney’s office said.
I’m not sure what, if any, legal significance this has in terms of whether it leaves a Grand Jury indictment open to attack, but it certainly gives credence to the notion that Georgia was a done deal long ago.
Here are the charges listed:
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Rapid developments in Fulton County:
• Copy of possible Trump charges with case number 23SC188945 posted & removed (Reuters)
• Nearby Georgia Capitol closes security gates
• Traffic further limited near courthouse
• Some Tuesday witnesses asked to testify today@ATLNewsFirst— Brendan Keefe – Atlanta News First (@BrendanKeefe) August 14, 2023
NEWS: "The Fulton County District Attorney's Office has once against shown that they have no respect for the integrity of the grand jury process. This was not a simple administrative mistake. A proposed indictment should only be in the hands of the District Attorney's Office, yet…
— Henry Rodgers (@henryrodgersdc) August 14, 2023
This statement just further confuses what happened today. How did a “fictitious” document get posted on their website? Are they accusing Reuters of faking it? There’s no accountability here for a document that Trump allies are seizing on as proving the fix is in against him https://t.co/tBKbJBqqPp
— Garrett Haake (@GarrettHaake) August 14, 2023
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‘Sentence first—verdict afterwards’ – Queen of Hearts
“False Statements and Writings”…. three times even… wow! Is it me or only black DAs and AGs are spearheading this campaign of terror? Female to boot? “Restorative Justice”?
Fanni Willis – black people making other black people look stupid.
“Bring in the guilty party and we’ll give him a fair trial.”
This moron makes Russian prosecutors look like pikers.
Her kind have safe seats no matter what they do. High black population, and many of them vote race, not abilities.
The fix, as they say, is in. There is no possible doubt that all of this is a political persecution, not a criminal prosecution.
Remember the grand jury fore-whatever. She was certifiable.
“Persecution / Prosecution”
“Tow May Toe / Tah Mah Toe” according to the Nigerian Dictator Fanni Willis.
1) I has been clear for some time that there are a large number of Dems who should be facing RICO charges.
2) Question for lawyers, can Color of Law charges be brought against DAs, prosecutors?
Absolute immunity
Absolute Immunity Puts Prosecutors Above the Law
Who knew Trump was such a criminal? Biden justice!
Every Democrat/ Marxists DA wants DJT’s head on a silver plate, it will propel them up in government.
Maybe propel them out?
“The higher you climb the flagpole, the more your ass is exposed.”
Fanni’s Fanny is exposed for the world to see, and it’s not a pretty sight.
In other words he is being charged over trying to get the SoS to rig the election, and for trying to get the Speaker of the State House to rig the election, and for the fake electors.
I do not know if his attempt to get two major officials to annul the election (in other words rig the election) technically broke the law but this indictment will hurt Trump with the general population because they don’t care if it is criminal they care if it is immoral.
“they care if it is immoral”…. what?
Anyone with half a brain sees this for what it is nakedly political with no substance
The general public will see this as political persecution.
Yeah sure, Delusional Danny.
I mean not a single one of the other clownshow indictments has ‘hurt him with the general population’, but THIS one will totally do the job!
Just one more indictment, man, you know I”m good for it, this one is all I need and I’m good!!!!
If rational people care about morality, Dems will be toast.
Danny, try reading the transcript of Trump’s call to GA officials….he did, urged or suggested nothing illegal
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html
Danny,
Was the call ‘perfect’ no, but Trump didn’t ask anyone to overturn the result. He asked the SoS to do his damn job and oversee the election procedures and make appropriate challenges to violation of procedures by local officials. If that results in a particular County having their election voided due to illegal acts by their local officials that’s how the cookie crumbles.
The SoS isn’t supposed to be a rubber stamp nor throw up his hands and say ‘watcha gonna do’ and ignore issues like bad voter registration lists, failure to follow elections statutes re ballot security, election integrity and protect registered voters from those who would invalidate their choice not to vote.
Well his concerns included outright lies about Dominion, and about PA (which even if true which they weren’t and he clearly knew the PA ones weren’t true doesn’t even hypothetically fall under a Georgia official).
“Raffensperger: Well, I listened to what the President has just said. President Trump, we’ve had several lawsuits and we’ve had to respond in court to the lawsuits and the contentions. Um, we don’t agree that you have won. And we don’t — I didn’t agree about the 200,000 number that you’d mentioned. And I can go through that point by point.
What we have done is we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going through the election issue by issue and then on the state House, the government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point on all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election. Going back, primarily what you’ve talked about here focused in on primarily, I believe, is the absentee ballot process. I don’t believe that you’re really questioning the Dominion machines. Because we did a hand retally, a 100% retally of all the ballots and compared them to what the machines said and came up with virtually the same result. Then we did the recount, and we got virtually the same result. So I guess we can probably take that off the table.
I don’t think there’s an issue about that. What you–
Trump: Well, Brad. Not that there’s not an issue, because we have a big issue with Dominion in other states and perhaps in yours. But we haven’t felt we needed to go there. And just to, you know, maybe put a little different spin on what Mark is saying, Mark Meadows, uh, yeah we’d like to go further, but we don’t really need to. We have all the votes we need.
You know, we won the state. If you took, these are the most minimal numbers, the numbers that I gave you, those are numbers that are certified, your absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses, your out of state voters 4,925. You know when you add them up, it’s many more times, it’s many times the 11,779 number. So we could go through, we have not gone through your Dominion. So we can’t give them blessing. I mean, in other states, we think we found tremendous corruption with Dominion machines but we’ll have to see.
But we only lost the state by that number, 11,000 votes, and 779. So with that being said, with just what we have, with just what we have we’re giving you minimal, minimal numbers. We’re doing the most conservative numbers possible, we’re many times, many, many times above the margin. And so we don’t really have to, Mark, I don’t think we have to go through …”
He was trying to get Raffensperger to change the election based on the Kraken/Dominion bs in that exchange.
Further in the conversation
“Well Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised.
But they — I guess there was a person Mr. Braynard who came to these meetings and presented data and he said that there was dead people, I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual number were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. So that’s wrong. There were two.”
From some examples of the pressure the SoS was being put under
“Trump: But Cleta, even before you do that, and not even including that, that’s why hardly even included that number, although in one state we have a tremendous amount of dead people. So I don’t know — I’m sure we do in Georgia, too. I’m sure we do in Georgia too.
But, um, we’re so far ahead. We’re so far ahead of these numbers, even the phony ballots of [name], known scammer. You know the Internet? You know what was trending on the Internet? “Where’s [name]?” Because they thought she’d be in jail. “Where’s [name]?” It’s crazy, it’s crazy. That was. The minimum number is 18,000 for [name], but they think it’s probably about 56,000, but the minimum number is 18,000 on the [name] night where she ran back in there when everybody was gone and stuffed, she stuffed the ballot boxes. Let’s face it, Brad, I mean. They did it in slow motion replay magnified, right? She stuffed the ballot boxes. They were stuffed like nobody had ever seen them stuffed before.
So there’s a term for it when it’s a machine instead of a ballot box, but she stuffed the machine. She stuffed the ballot — each ballot went three times they were showing: Here’s ballot No 1. Here it is second time, third time, next ballot.
I mean, look. Brad. We have a new tape that we’re going to release. It’s devastating. And by the way, that one event, that one event is much more than the 11,000 votes that we’re talking about. It’s uh, you know. That one event was a disaster. And it’s just, you know, but it was, it was something, it can’t be disputed. And again we have a version that you haven’t seen but it’s magnified. It’s magnified and you can see everything. For some reason they put it in three times, each ballot, and I don’t know why. I don’t know why three times. Why not five times, right? Go ahead.”
Every time the SoS debunked what Trump said Trump would continue the pressure and double down on his claims.
As I have stated and will state again I don’t know if the call was illegal.
I do know it was horrible behavior and not what we want from an elected official.
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Germany: We had our — this is Ryan Germany. We had our law enforcement officers talk to everyone who was who was there after that event came to light. GBI was with them as well as FBI agents.
Trump: Well, there’s no way they could — then they’re incompetent. They’re either dishonest or incompetent, okay?
Mitchell: Well, what did they find?
Trump: There’s only two answers, dishonesty or incompetence. There’s just no way. Look. There’s no way. And on the other thing, I said too, there is no way. I mean, there’s no way that these things could have been you know, you have all these different people that voted but they don’t live in Georgia anymore. What was that number, Cleta? That was a pretty good number too.
Mitchell: The number who have registered out of state after they moved from Georgia. And so they had a date when they moved from Georgia, they registered to vote out of state. And then it’s like 4,500, I don’t have that number right in front of me.
Trump: And then they came back in and they voted.
Mitchell: And voted. Yeah.
Trump: I thought that was a large number, though. It was in the 20s. The point is…
Germany: We’ve been going through each of those as well and those numbers that we got that Ms. Mitchell was just saying, they’re not accurate. Every one we’ve been through, are people that lived in Georgia, moved to a different state, but then moved back to Georgia legitimately. And in many cases
Trump: How many people do that? They moved out and then they said, “Ah, to hell with it I’ll move back.” You know, it doesn’t sound like a very normal … you mean, they moved out, and what, they missed it so much that they wanted to move back in? It’s crazy.
Germany: This is they moved back in years ago. This was not like something just before the election. So there’s something about that data that, it’s just not accurate.
Trump: Well, I don’t know, all I know is that it is certified. And they moved out of Georgia and they voted. It didn’t say they moved back in Cleta, did it?
Mitchell: No, but I mean, we’re looking at the voter registration. Again, if you have additional records, we’ve been asking for that, but you haven’t shared any of that with us. You just keep saying you investigated the allegations.
Trump: But, Cleta, a lot of it you don’t need to be shared. I mean, to be honest, they should share it. They should share it because you want to get to an honest election.
I won this election by hundreds of thousands of votes. There’s no way I lost Georgia. There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes. I’m just going by small numbers when you add them up they’re many times the 11,000. But I won that state by hundreds of thousands of votes.
Do you think it’s possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? Because that’s what the rumor is. And also that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their, uh, machinery.
Do you know anything about that? Because that’s illegal, right?
Germany: This is Ryan Germany. No, Dominion has not moved any machinery out of Fulton County.
Trump: But have they moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts?
Germany: No.
Trump: Are you sure, Ryan?
Germany: I’m sure. I’m sure, Mr. President.
Trump: What about, what about the ballots. The shredding of the ballots. Have they been shredding ballots?
Germany: The only investigation that we have into that — they have not been shredding any ballots. There was an issue in Cobb County where they were doing normal office shredding, getting rid of old stuff, and we investigated that. But this is stuff from, you know, from you know past elections.
Trump: I don’t know. It doesn’t pass the smell test because we hear they’re shredding thousands and thousands of ballots and now what they’re saying, “Oh, we’re just cleaning up the office.” So I don’t think they’re cleaning.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, they — people can say anything.
Trump: Oh this isn’t social media. This is Trump media. It’s not social media. It’s really not it’s not social media. I don’t care about social media. I couldn’t care less. Social media is Big Tech. Big Tech is on your side. I don’t even know why you have a side, because you should want to have an accurate election. And you’re a Republican.
Raffensperger: We believe that we do have an accurate election.
Trump: No, no you don’t. No, no you don’t. You don’t have. Not even close. You’re off by hundreds of thousands of votes. And just on the small numbers, you’re off on these numbers and these numbers can’t be just — well, why wont? — Okay. So you sent us into Cobb County for signature verification, right? You sent us into Cobb County, which we didn’t want to go into. And you said it would be open to the public. And we could have our – So we had our experts there they weren’t allowed into the room. But we didn’t want Cobb County. We wanted Fulton County. And you wouldn’t give it to us. Now, why aren’t we doing signature — and why can’t it be open to the public?
And why can’t we have professionals do it instead of rank amateurs who will never find anything and don’t want to find anything? They don’t want to find, you know, they don’t want to find anything. Someday you’ll tell me the reason why, because I don’t understand your reasoning, but someday you’ll tell me the reason why. But why don’t you want to find?
Germany: Mr. President, we chose Cobb County —
Trump: Why don’t you want to find … What?
Germany: Sorry, go ahead.
Trump: So why did you do Cobb County? We didn’t even request — we requested Fulton County, not Cobb County. Go ahead, please. Go ahead.
Germany: We chose Cobb County because that was the only county where there’s been any evidence submitted that the signature verification was not properly done.
Trump: No, but I told you. We’re not, we’re not saying that.
Mitchell: We did say that.
Trump: Fulton County. Look. Stacey, in my opinion, Stacey is as dishonest as they come. She has outplayed you … at everything. She got you to sign a totally unconstitutional agreement, which is a disastrous agreement. You can’t check signatures. I can’t imagine you’re allowed to do harvesting, I guess, in that agreement. That agreement is a disaster for this country. But she got you somehow to sign that thing and she has outsmarted you at every step.
And I hate to imagine what’s going to happen on Monday or Tuesday, but it’s very scary to people. You know, where the ballots flow in out of nowhere. It’s very scary to people. That consent decree is a disaster. It’s a disaster. A very good lawyer who examined it said they’ve never seen anything like it.
Raffensperger: Harvesting is still illegal in the state of Georgia. And that settlement agreement did not change that one iota.
Trump: It’s not a settlement agreement, it’s a consent decree. It even says consent decree on it, doesn’t it? It uses the term consent decree. It doesn’t say settlement agree. It’s a consent decree. It’s a disaster.
Raffensperger: It’s a settlement agreement.
Trump: What’s written on top of it?
Raffensperger: Ryan?
Germany: I don’t have it in front of me, but it was not entered by the court, it’s not a court order.”
The Georgia SoS did oversee the election.
Not all horrible behavior is illegal, but that was a call that never should have happened.
The fact is the SoS interpreted the call as a threat.
I think the people who got too angry and rioted on Jan 6th got railroaded even when guilty. Even if illegal b=eing railroaded and guilty are not contradictory, and I am against railroading.
But it is clear the call was unacceptable even if legal. You don’t pressure state officials to change results you don’t like.
No, they don’t.
No, he explicitly said he wasn’t doing that. “we have a big issue with Dominion in other states and perhaps in yours. But we haven’t felt we needed to go there. […] So we could go through, we have not gone through your Dominion. So we can’t give them blessing. I mean, in other states, we think we found tremendous corruption with Dominion machines but we’ll have to see.” So although he believed the Kraken/Dominion BS that he was being fed, he explicitly was not relying on it in this call.
What’s wrong with that? Why on earth should he have just accepted whatever the guy was telling him? We know Raffensperger was giving him facts and Powell was giving him BS, but he didn’t know that and had no reason to give him more credence than her.
It was neither illegal nor horrible. The fact is that even without Dominion or the “suitcases”, it’s very likely that the GA result was stolen, that there were more than 12,000 fraudulent and/or invalid votes cast for Biden and the state’s Republican slate of electors should have had their votes counted. And maybe if Trump’s people had concentrated from the beginning on finding the necessary evidence for 12,000 such votes they might have managed to do it by the deadline (though it’s unlikely). But the fact that the burden of evidence is so tough doesn’t change the underlying reality. Which means that urging someone to vindicate that reality is neither illegal nor immoral nor even fattening. What it was is futile, but that’s not something most voters care much about.
Look, Sidney Powell is a lunatic. But Cleta Mitchell is definitely not. Nor is she dishonest. And she was with Trump on this call. Do you think she did anything illegal or horrible?
A threat of what? And more to the point, to do what? I can understand that he felt he was being threatened with political consequences if he refused to do the right thing by the Republican candidate — and so he should have been! It was completely right to make such a threat, given Trump’s premise that there were so many invalid votes that finding actionable evidence for a mere 12,000 of them should be a cinch. If that premise were correct, and Raffensperger had failed to do everything he could to find those votes, he would deserve to be banned for life from the GOP and all conservative circles.
So no, the call was completely acceptable, and there is no way to spin it as illegal. The indictment is far more criminal than anything Trump is accused of. It’s underlying premise is the outright and knowing lie that when Trump said to find the votes he really meant to invent them. There is no way Raffensperger thought that’s what he meant, and there is no way this Willis creature really thinks that’s what he meant.
No, Danny, he is being politically persecuted, and whether you support him in the GOP primary (and I adamantly do not) or not, this is unacceptable. Trump did not try to “rig” anything; he just wanted legit votes found and counted as was clear from the transcript of the call that’s been released.
Look, I don’t want Trump to win the GOP nomination, either, but piling on over completely bogus charges is just wrong. Trump did nothing wrong here. And your idea that this indictment, should it occur, will change anyone’s mind is just wishful thinking. He’s been indicted umpteen times, impeached twice, and blah blah blah. Anyone who is going to be swayed against him, already was, and anyone who supports him will continue (rightly) to do so.
The problem with these malicious banana republic persecutions is that they make people like me want to vote for Trump (even though I know he can’t win the general because he’s seriously and truly and deeply toxic to far too many of the potential cross-over voters needed to win, but that’s before this potential indictment).
I would not be voting “for” Trump, but for our country. We cannot have this type of political persecution of political opponents in our country. We. Just. Can. Not. That you can’t understand that makes me sad.
Fuzzy-footed one, you and I don’t see eye-to-eye regarding the Great Cheeto but we both recognize persecution of political stance, and pine for a return to decency.
LOL, we may not see eye-to-eye on that one thing, but you make me laugh (“Great Cheeto” lmao), and we definitely both “get it.” 😛
“ he can’t win the general because he’s seriously and truly and deeply toxic to far too many of the potential cross-over voters needed to win”
So toxic he got the most votes ever for a Republican Presidential nominee?
Or that voters are so stupid they’d vote for another 4 years of Biden and the utopia he has delivered eh?
Bloody clown show 😂😂
He did well in the ’20 election, and he definitely built on his lead. But don’t you think that the constant media hysteria, the bogus J6 clown show kangaroo court, and resulting fear of “mega-MAGAs” inspired by Biden’s blood-red speech had any impact at all? Because newsflash: they did.
Trump is beyond toxic to too many needed cross-over voters now. I think it’s unjust, but it doesn’t matter what I think, it just matters that these voters would literally rather have a decrepit, corrupt “president” than . . . that other guy with all the drama and constant upset. At this point, Trump couldn’t beat Hillary in a fair election (as he did in 2016) because he is literally more reviled by more people than even Hillary Clinton. Let that sink in.
“But don’t you think that the constant media hysteria, the bogus J6 clown show kangaroo court, and resulting fear of “mega-MAGAs” inspired by Biden’s blood-red speech had any impact at all? “
This has an impact with people who will only ever vote Democrat.
Anyone else capable of rubbing two or more functioning brain cells together sees what this is all about and will vote for America (that isn’t controlled by Democrats).
People reviled Hillary because she was a truly horrid woman with no redeeming features. Nothing more than a creature of the swamp.
And in spite of the Democrat media running cover for her and trying to build her up as this amazing woman people still reviled her exactly because she was a horrid piece of work.
Secondly, even though the Democrats ran near 110% negative stories about Trump right through his Presidency he still got the most votes for a Republican Presidential nominee in history . He even got more votes than Barry, peace be upon him!!
People who are capable of thinking for themselves also realise they had it better under Trump than they do now.
Those who follow world events have probably noticed that we are now much closer to a nuclear exchange than we were at any point during Trumps Presidency.
People who aren’t blinded by their hatred of Trump probably realise that every day that goes by gives them more evidence of the stark differences between Trumps economy that allowed all sections of society to benefit vs Bidenflation and never ending shortages, cost increases, crime increases and the deteriorating state of security around the world.
And then you need to ask yourself who you had a better life under, Trump or Biden.
Your hatred of Trump is irrational and I think somewhere deep down you need Trump to lose so you can feel good about yourself that at least your vote for him didn’t put someone in office that you irrationally hate.
Weirdo comment, mailman. I just don’t think Trump can win the general because he is toxic to too many voters. You can ramble on about that all you like, but it doesn’t change the data. Nor my opinion.
Do you think that the left won’t do the same to anyone that the Republicans nominate? They already started in on Desantis accusing him of being a censor and fascist, Tim Scott will be the “black face of white supremacy” and all the other candidates will face similar accusations if nominated unless they are so milquetoast that they already stand no chance of winning.
You can say independent voters are turned off by the daily drama s-storm following Trump until you’re blue in the face, but people refuse to hear it and translate as:
“This has an impact with people who will only ever vote Democrat.”
And then loop it, forever.
The endless attacks on Trump are effective on independent voters to a point. What happens after that point is anyone’s guess.
You may be right [or wrong]. I am wondering on what facts are you basing your literal statement:
“At this point, Trump couldn’t beat Hillary in a fair election (as he did in 2016) because he is literally more reviled by more people than even Hillary Clinton. Let that sink in.”
Danny hatred to the nth power?
Danny hatred? What are you talking about? I don’t hate Danny. Not even a tiny bit. I actually like him very much. But then, I have no trouble liking people with whom I don’t agree on every single thing (waves happily at scooterjay).
No matter how even-handed you try to be, it will never be enough for the Trumpets.
The political criminalization of opposition is 100% wrong no matter who is the target,
But that’s not enough for Trumpets: They want you to completely ignore what your eyes and ears tell you about Trump’s warts, too. It’s odd how they mirror BLM levels of mandatory devotion to their rallying point, sadder still that they don’t see this glaringly obvious pitfall…among other serious flaws like the “don’t vote/rigged/only vote for trump” spiral.
I totally agree, but I’m not trying to appease anyone, just stating exactly what I think. (As usual, heh.) I don’t think what is happening with these Trump witch hunts is good for our country (understatement, they are downright dangerous to our country), and nothing anyone can or has said will change that.
But for me, it’s not about Trump or his cult, it’s about America. Where Trump comes into play, he’s just the symbol in a way, the victim of the corruption and descent into banana republic status that we are watching occur in real time. It could be anyone, including a Democrat, and I would be just as ticked off at the threat to our Constitutional Republic this sort of shady persecution of political opponents poses.
I can’t worry about what I can’t change, and I certainly can’t change these rabid Only Trumpers. They will vote only for Trump, no matter who wins the GOP nomination, and that can be maddening because, to normal people, that’s a vote for Biden (or Newsom), but they don’t care. Literally don’t care.
So that is on them, they WANT the nation to fail, to completely collapse, if they can’t have Trump. And that’s disgusting. They are apparently so deluded they think that this will cause a sudden fold in the fabric of time and we’ll magically be transported back to 1776. But that’s not how nations rise back from the ashes of governmental and societal collapse. Ever. But they think they know better than the entire history of the world clearly shows. It’s bizarre. But here we are.
All of that stuff will be deployed against anybody else who dares to run against a Democrat. It don’t matter how clean you are they’ll try to Tar you with any brush they can find true or not, they don’t care. We’re not dealing with people who run by a code of conduct or have morals of any sort, we’re running against communists.
Pres. Trump’s “warts” are purest Halloween stick on effects. As noted above, they will dig up or manufacture new “warts” on any Republican that dares compete with their nominee. They are already doing it with DeSantis.
Pres. Trump has the “advantage” of already bearing the false attacks and will gain the sympathy of many voters that are seeing this persecution for what it is. It is also a perfect backdrop for the Biden Crime Family exploits in commercial whataboutism.
You thought the 2016 election was a fair election?
Wow. I think that speaks volumes about your powers of observation and any value they might have.
The Democrats realized that they’d lost about halfway through the night and tried to pull the ‘close everything down’ scam but they didn’t have the ready infrastructure for quick mass fraud in place yet.
So all they had was the fraud they’d already used –and it wasn’t enough.
They got better over the course of the by-elections and midterms and had the apparatus in place for 2020 likely by 2019.
But it was too much, so it showed. So they relied on the media and their nevertrumper allies on the right to brazen the steal through.
And, thanks to them, we stand on the edge of economic collapse, civil war and a nuclear holocaust.
Thanks!
The Danny hatred reference was Danny’s hatred of Trump, not your hatred of Danny, which does not exist.
Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying, as I found that super puzzling. Well, I can’t speak for Danny, but I don’t “hate” Trump. I think he did many good (some even great) things as president, but I just don’t think he can win a general. If he gets the GOP nomination, I’ll vote for him, but it won’t matter how I vote since whomever the GOP nominee is will win Florida quite handily (due in no small part to our governor’s work on cleaning up the blue areas of the state to minimize Democrat cheating).
Trumps downfall was beating Hillary at her own game. It is pretty obvious it was stepped up in 2020.
Shine, it was evident prior to Jan 2017.
“I know he can’t win the general because he’s seriously and truly and deeply toxic to far too many of the potential cross-over voters needed to win”
The fact is that you don’t know anything of the sort, or how this will play out, especially as we learn the malfeasance that has occurred.
It’s also in the realm of reality that cross-over voters will deem the persecution of Trump and Democrats’ antics as even more toxic because there is a tangible basis to make such a conclusion.
What I wrote was
“In other words he is being charged over trying to get the SoS to rig the election, and for trying to get the Speaker of the State House to rig the election, and for the fake electors.
I do not know if his attempt to get two major officials to annul the election (in other words rig the election) technically broke the law but this indictment will hurt Trump with the general population because they don’t care if it is criminal they care if it is immoral.”
Which I stand by. I am agnostic on if it was illegal but on was the call acceptable? On that I am 100% no.
The indictment is very clearly over the pair of calls he made.
The most likely outcome is either a pardon by Brian Kemp or a hung jury.
Politically however I do think the calls weaken Trump a lot. I don’t think anyone in the center will listen to him trying to badger a Republican official telling him what he doesn’t want to hear about the election results, and results of his investigation favorably.
Yes, and what you wrote is the exact opposite of what happened. He was trying to get the SoS and the Speaker to unrig the election, which he (probably correctly) was convinced had been rigged. They correctly told him that they couldn’t unrig it. That doesn’t make his asking them illegal, and it doesn’t make it unacceptable.
Immoral? That’s absurd,
So you would have been fine with Hillary calling her friends in Philadelphia to change the results in 2016 so the PA Electoral Votes would go to her instead of the winner?
That is what Trump did, the people he tried to badger into rigging the election stood up to him and said no which is why he tried to get them to lose in 2022.
Spare the red herrings, please.
In other words you admit you are only defending the behavior because it is Trump?
Deception. Talk about immoral!
How is your calling him immoral any different than his haters?
You have illustrated you’re as biased as Jack Smith and Fanni Willis.
Tell me you would have been fine with the Hillary trying to get Pedro Cortes to change the results of the election in 2016.
Tell you? How nice.
You act like the Communist didn’t go all out after the 2016 election to try to change the electoral votes before they were counted in Congress. If you don’t think that Hillary had some hand in that well then you’re just proving how much you really are in the shallow end of the gene pool
Again, he was badgering them to unrig the election. Were Mrs Clinton to have reason to believe in good faith that she had actually won PA, and that the announced outcome was the result of fraud that could be detected in time and cured, she would have been absolutely within her rights to demand that her party colleagues in that state do so. However that is a very unrealistic scenario, because:
(a) As she knew well, the balance of electoral fraud, especially in PA, tilts heavily in favor of Democrats. Not only unorganized, distributed fraud by individuals, which is merely facilitated by Democrat officials, but also organized fraud by those officials themselves. It’s her party, she knows what it does.
(b) Unlike Trump she is a very intelligent and well-informed person, and a lawyer to boot, so she knows how the system works, what sort of evidence one needs to produce, and by when, in order to challenge the outcome in a state, and if she had been in Trump’s position, with the Dem equivalent of the clowns feeding her these stories, she would have known not to believe them. She would have seen the flaws in their narrative and pointed them out to them, rather than get on the phone to the SoS and make a fool of herself.
Yes, she is highly intelligent and well-informed. Dishonest and crooked, but nobody’s fool or ignoramus.
Clearly such action isnt illegal given Hillary hasn’t been charged with the same crimes Trump is charged with.
Therefore, if it wasn’t illegal when Hillary did it, its still not illegal if Trump did the same thing.
Hillary didn’t do the things Trump is charged with. She didn’t try to get any secretaries of state to change the outcome for their state. Trump did, but he did so honestly and legally. Had Clinton done so it would have been dishonest, because she knew there was no state where fixing fraud would help her.
Why would Pres. Trump do what was done by Biden in 2020? Hillary would have done that and more if she didn’t think it was a guaranteed win for her.
Danny, you have to be the biggest moron to comment on this site. Even a broken clock is right more than you, and that’s merely a stroke of luck.
In other words insults instead of arguments like usual.
Frankly I turn to hear because of the professor, and because his commenters are worth reading even when I disagree with them.
Cultist morons like you are not.
Tell me you would have been fine with the same call between Hillary and Cortes
Fûck off Danny. Clearly you are happy with degradation of our legal foundations, lawfare, and election rigging that denies the votes of law abiding citizens.
All for the benefit of a single party that has a rich history of hanging blacks in the streets, starting civil wars, and denying humans their constitutional rights. KKK, BLM, Antifa, all good democrats who insist on wearing hoods and face coverings to hide their identities while committing mayhem in the streets.
Go away.
You’ve obviously been seriously abused by the media. I’m sorry they did this to you. Do you think that Trump colluded with Russia? Did he call Nazi’s fine people or tell people to drink bleach? If you answered yes to any of those, it might be time to cut the media cord. They’re causing Brian damage.
Still waiting for some legal expert to explain how Trump could commit a crime in GA when he wasn’t even in the state?
“Ummmm, he was on TV in Georgia, so he was here! Duh!!!!!!”, said Fanni Willis.
You do realize how monumentally stupid this statement is, right?
That is a really stupid comment. Where could you have got the idea that one must physically be in a state in order to commit a crime there?
Ignorant, not stupid. He simply asked for an explanation. That is what you excel at.
Asking for an explanation requires a reason why an explanation is required. In this case, it requires a premise that one cannot commit a crime in a state without being physically present there. Where could he have got that premise, which is obviously incorrect?
Don’t be daft…it’s obviously written in a sarcastic tone.
Surprised they didn’t announce the verdict as well. It would save a great deal of time dealing with that pesky trial and all the inconvenient facts that get in the way of their railroad.
They can put out anything they want if it’s not official. When it’s official, then the grand jury has spoken.
Perhaps, but they are handing ammunition to any defense lawyers especially when it comes to appeals. Jury tampering and all that
Outside of some comedy movie, I’ve never seen anything like the perversion of law and process going on at all levels. Some supervisory authority must step in here.
This is an existential crisis requiring a supervisory authority along the lines of Sodom and Gomorrah, or Noah’s Ark.
I’d say it’s more like an echo of the Stalin show trials. History never repeats itself but it does rhyme
Nothing says ‘we runnin a totes professional outfit’ like this sort of crap. If you’re gonna railroad someone at least have the courtesy to ensure the train runs on time.
Well Chief, apparently Fanni made the train arrive early.
Bananas all around. Hell of a way to run a Republic. Anyone who has access to large quantities of Bananas might consider tossing a few on stage everywhere a Democrat pol is speaking..
Love it !!
I don’t think Biden needs the help, but a good pratfall is a thing of joy…
You see the problem is low information people like Danny who believe every Democrat utterance about “that call” without question.
And because there are so many of these low information types, like Danny, Democrats keep pumping this shit out because people like Danny keep getting hard over this crap 😂
If the fabled call showed what they claimed, they wouldn’t have needed to cherry pick a sentence out of a transcript and then try to delete the call recording.
They would have simply released the entire call.
As with so many other things, the very fact that they tried to destroy the recording instead of releasing it, tells you exactly about what it shows.
This 🤌🤌
They did not cherry pick, Trump called in order to demand the SoS use his power to change the results of the election.
Deranged interpretation. Dershowitz right now is saying they did exactly the same thing in 2000. Good to see you want to criminalize according to your politics.
I just quoted a lot from the conversation earlier in the thread and yes he was trying to badger the SoS to change results.
“Demand” is now “badger.” Well done. Still deranged. You want to criminalize politics.
Badger? So you’re saying he was arguing with the secretary of state, is that some sort of a criminal offense?
I went over that call and he 100% was trying to pressure the SoS to change the results.
There really is no other way to interpret the conversation as a whole.
The Jury is going to see the conversation involving the State House Speaker so if that isn’t exactly what we have been told it is we will know.
Trump did something horrible. Illegal or not it was horrible and that will have an election impact making him significantly less electable (although his electability now is abysmal) and thanks to the rally to the leader impact Democrats hope for will ironically make him more likely to win the primary.
Just reverse it and say Hillary tried to make a PA statewide elected official change the PA results in 2016 because she really won and you can’t let the stolen election stand…..no you wouldn’t.
Read the conversation there is no way to think Trump was not demanding the SoS change the results if you read it. Listening makes it worst, the tone Trump has makes it clear he was trying to badger a result.
Man, wait until you discover what Democrats did to over turn 2016. Its gonna Blow. Your. Mind. Dannygirl.
Hillary’s “call” was to initiate the whole “Russian collusion” farce, before and after the election.
Was that acceptable?
Yes, you’re a high information person….quite high on the information selectively pumped from the Trumpaganda shitblogs.
Childish ad homenems do not aid your argument.
Pardon, ad hominems.
You are misusing ad hominem (essentially name calling) when I was merely being succinct.
Unless maybe you think calling him a “high information person” as a direct response to his “low information person” comment is somehow name calling.
All of his information is selectively filtered to only listen to one side of an argument. That’s no better than a blind ideological progressive…and no that’s not ad hominem either; it’s an analogy based on the poor quality of his sources of information.
Dear Danny the MSMs viewers are for the most part decent people (but very ignorant). The problem is their viewers honestly and unwittingly believe what is broadcast at them …They eat that crap up hook line and sinker and for that reasonn will never admit they were misled and wrong when the truth finally is admitted by MSM …
The only felony crimes committed are those committed against Donald Trump.
BTW, when you think about it what we have here is an Insurrection without guns. Racketeering without money. Lying without proof the statements are false, never mind intent.
It’s not just Democrat corruption, it’s the philosophical Democrat version of metaphysics.
Everything they say relies on an invisible, recently created world that only blue checkmarks can see.
He is going to be indicted because he tried to rig an election, and badger important officials into annulling the results of how millions of people voted, and because of the fake elector b.s.
Illegal or not that was at best appalling behavior. In this country the winner of the election gets the dam office not the loser.
Danny Danny Danny the winner (obideN) is really THE BIGGEST LOSER in America’s history. So in the end the voters are the biggest losers for sure as they are now “subjects” of the King of Corruption and are being force fed his bs.
He’s going to be indicted because communists don’t like his politics. Much like Stalin they’ll probably get the Justice they seek at least for now
Generally people rig things BEFORE they happen. Like what the democrats did leading up to election month.
Why are you not over at Vox cheering on your fellow leftists?
Or National Review?
Ironclaw and Danny, this is one situation where both of your arguments that sound mutually exlcusive are actually both correct.
Trump is going to be indicted because of malfeasance surrounding an election that Ironclaw’s side wants to completely ignore.
Trump is also going to be indicted because of selective political weaponization of the government (after all, Trump is hardly the first person to do something like this). I can’t tell whether Danny wants to ignore this side of it or not, but I tend towards yes right now based on his statement here.
Danny everyone knows that the demoncrappers accuse their opponents of doing exactly what they have been doing for at least half a century .. Demoncraps are the evil side of the good versus the evil.. PS everybody, obideN now acknowledges he has 7 grandchildren but she don’t get no offshore bank account…