Tucker Throws Heritage and Kevin Roberts Under The Bus After They Defended Him
After Roberts condemned antisemitism, Tucker called him “weak. he decided he wanted his job more than to tell the truth” and said Heritage never again will be “a force for good.”
No one saw this coming, except almost everyone.
For reasons I have articulated here several times (but probably not enough), after October 7 Tucker Carlson has devolved into non-stop normalization of antisemitism and neo-Nazism. He takes the worst people in the world and launders their noxious ideologies through tongue-bathing interviews, while himself regularly accusing people like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin and Israel supporters in general of dual or disloyalty.
"October 7th seems to have been interpreted by a lot of people as a permission slip to let their true feelings show. I think what we're seeing is the true @TuckerCarlson unrestrained coming out." pic.twitter.com/ZWxsfHu0dZ
— William A. Jacobson (@wajacobson) November 4, 2025
When Tucker promoted Nick Fuentes in a softball interview it was the culmination of two-years of Tucker’s Information Jihad against the Jews, and people who tried to ignore it no longer could.
But for some reason, Kevin Roberts, President of the Heritage Foundation, deemed it necessary to chime in by pledging eternal loyalty to Tucker.
There has been speculation that @Heritage is distancing itself from @TuckerCarlson over the past 24 hours.
I want to put that to rest right now—here are my thoughts: pic.twitter.com/F8bcxBIqKI
— Kevin Roberts (@KevinRobertsTX) October 30, 2025
That video defense of Tucker caused an earthquake in the conservative movement and its leading think tank, Heritage, with resignations and severed relationships. It’s unclear how deeply it has damaged Heritage long term, but it sacrificed its dignity at the alter of Tucker.
Roberts responded with a milquetoast-level apology and condemnation of antisemitism, but not criticism of Tucker.
Yesterday I said that I abhorred views expressed by Nick Fuentes—and that the best way to fight antisemitic ideas was to challenge them head on.
Fuentes replied on X by saying “I don’t know what exactly you ‘abhor’ about my views.” Allow me to elaborate—because there is plenty…
— Kevin Roberts (@KevinRobertsTX) October 31, 2025
So how did Tucker repay that loyalty? What thanks did Tucker give for Roberts risking Heritage in defense of Tucker?
Tucker just lashed out at Roberts and Heritage.
Missed this: After all that, Tucker Carlson harshly criticized Kevin Roberts in a Nov 19 appearance on the 1819 podcast. Here’s a snippet of his exchange with 1819 News CEO Bryan Dawson, where Carlson savages Roberts, a man he says he “knew and really liked” (past tense) but…
— Audrey Fahlberg (@AudreyFahlberg) November 21, 2025
[Emphasis added below]
KEY EXCHANGE around 16 min mark:
Carlson: There’s a man called Kevin Roberts, who I knew and really liked, took over the Heritage Foundation a couple of years ago, and I thought and—and that’s the biggest foundation in Washington, and I thought that he could steer it into a positive direction. I think he certainly wanted to. He tried. Um, and in the end, 10 days ago, he got—he was completely destroyed by this —by this fighting within the within the Republican party and the conservative movement. Very very sad. And and you know, I think the Heritage Foundation will—and I say this, again, with sadness because there are smart people there. They have a ton of money. They should be a force for good. But I don’t see how they ever will be.
Dawson: Not after that.
Carlson: Not after that.
Dawson: Absolutely cannibalized him.
Carlson: Yep. And he allowed it. He was—he was weak. he decided he wanted his job more than to tell the truth. And that’s a, you know, that’s a—a moment that I think every man faces inevitably in life. And, and I understand the fears. I mean, I’ve certainly been there a lot. And um, you know, not wanting to lose your job. I get it. I’m not judging. But you have to choose the truth because if you don’t, you’ll never recover. It’ll break you. Like Winston Smith at the end of 1984 who has been broken. You know, they’ve—they’ve shown him his greatest fears and something snapped inside of him. I can’t handle. he reached the end of his, his ability to to withstand uh the terror and the punishment and he gives in. But unfortunately, when you do give in, you know, it’s, it’s you’re, you’re done. You’re dead in a way. And so, just don’t do that. Just resolve not to do that.
Tucker Carlson torches @KevinRobertsTX, "who I knew, and really liked," saying, "He was weak. He decided he wanted his job more than to tell the truth."
Of @Heritage, Tucker says, "They should be a force for good, but I don't see how they ever will be." h/t @AudreyFahlberg pic.twitter.com/4N8IVecUtf— Jason Hart (@jasonahart) November 21, 2025
The reactions summed it all up. From Rod Dreher who considered Tucker a friend:
Amazing. Kevin Roberts may have wrecked his career and the institution he leads, for the sake of defending Tucker Carlson … and Carlson has now thrown him under the bus. https://t.co/Y8qN0x1Lap
— Rod Dreher (@roddreher) November 21, 2025
And from many others.
Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas https://t.co/4iR0wIFxfP
— William A. Jacobson (@wajacobson) November 21, 2025
Kevin Roberts deserves this.
We tried to tell him there is no practical unity to be found with these people, but he insisted, chastizing those who were trying to help him.
And now he's been thrown overboard by Tucker anyway. So congrats. https://t.co/9dHu8vBi1G
— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) November 21, 2025
What a way for Tucker to thank @KevinRobertsTX – who should have denounced Tucker 18 months ago but instead spent @Heritage money sponsoring @TCNetwork, stood by as Tucker went full antisemite, and then denounced Tucker's CRITICS when Tucker tried to mainstream a neo-Nazi.
— Jason Hart (@jasonahart) November 21, 2025
Absolutely incredible. @KevinRobertsTX took all that heat and lost so many good people from Heritage just to avoid criticizing Tucker, and Tucker throws him right under the bus. All Kevin did was condemn antisemitism and that’s apparently too far for Tucker.
The loyalty only… https://t.co/YL8vQu3Khb
— AG (@AGHamilton29) November 21, 2025
Tucker is an arsonist. His objective is to burn down the entire conservative movement. And he’s very good at it.
He has never had any interest in what is best for Heritage. https://t.co/kHeKR5D62N
— Tim Chapman (@TimChapman) November 21, 2025
Tucker is dragging down not only the MAGA movement but will eventually his political project, JD Vance.
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The more Carlson exercises his free speech, the more abhorrent he becomes. Intolerant Christians are anathema.
The one that may benefit from this, absent a break, is Rubio. Vance should not wait much longer.
Megyn Kelly needs to stand up and be counted too, If she won’t then she’s suspect as well. Sometimes you just have to choose between friendship and decency and this is one of those times,
Talking heads will talk. Others will talk back. Politicians are different.
I listened to Kelly on The Fifth Column podcast where she was asked point blank by Moynihan about Tucker/Fuentes and she outright refused to comment saying Tucker was a friend of hers. Loyalty is one thing but sometimes you have to pull the ripcord.
Let’s not forget that Trump refused to trash TC and deliver a public rebuke when asked on camera. If we’re gonna demand public statements denouncing TC from our political class then let’s start at the top with DJT. If not then these demands for Vance/Rubio and others to do so ‘or else’ come across as more about helping the d/prog woke mob harm the political viability of Vance/Rubio than a principled stance that political figures should denounce TC.
Note I am not making any accusation towards you or anyone else, but attempting to explain how this failure to put DJT failure to denounce TC at the top of every list of political figures expected to denounce TC appears to some. We can be sure that any sort of fissure, including this one, will be exploited to the fullest by the d/prog woke mob…..despite the fact they just supported the election of a homicidal fantasy having dude as AG in VA, an ethically challenged Gov in NJ, a nutty Karen as Gov in VA and a far left socialist as Mayor of NYC.
Good point. I agree with you.
Look, Vance, Kelly, Trump all they have to do is say something like:
TC has been a friend (or supporter) of mine. I appreciate that but I can’t accept his antisemitic comments. For his own benefit he should do some soul searching.
And leave it at that. That’s sufficient to me, but probably not to others.
Eventually Trump may have to, but Vance at this point has a much greater connection and electoral prospects ahead that he must give thought to.
When offered the opportunity Trump refused. If any political figure is gonna be held to this standard then #1 on the list must be the sitting President.
If we’re giving Trump a pass until some ‘eventual’ but undefined future point to do so then we should back off any such demands/expectations of all others to act until that ‘eventually’ point arrives for Trump, who is the sitting President.
Yeah Vance has to look to 2028. But how many votes would he gain from Fuentes Groypers, 10 or 20 thousand? And how many decent people who do not think Hitler is cool will he lose by not denouncing him flat out. I mean like just come out and say I don’t support anti semitism, white nationalism, or neo nazis and furthermore I would rather not have their votes. Fuentes flat out called him a race traitor because his wife is Indian and Hindu. He made disparaging remarks about his kids. I personally think if he told Tucker and Fuentes to find someone else to support he would gain way more votes than he would lose. Of course the screaming about all Republicans and Conservatives are Nazis will never stop, that started way back and denouncing actual Nazis will not make it go away.
Tucker Carlson is a huge disappointment. As for Kevin Roberts at Heritage, your friend just gave you a shiv right in your belly.
Carlson is a despicable worm.
He is a classic antisemite and honestly, I think he hates America even though he talks about how much he loves this country.
Has nothing to do with his Christian faith. Christians can be mistaken or do something wrong, too. But TRUE Christians can be/will be corrected. More non christians are intolerant.
Intolerant Christians are no different than intolerant Muslims or intolerant Jews for that matter (except for that whole killing Jews part Muslims have down pat).
Intolerant Jews have no power, unlike their intolerant brethren.
They help elect democrats
Do what? First off that’s the same sort of goofy wokiesta leftist argument used by the intolerant lefty mob which seems to claim that only ‘cis, white Christian Men’ can possibly be ‘ists full of isms/phobes’ as only they have power due to the ‘perpetual patriarchy of oppression’.
Secondly it just isn’t true. There’s ten or so US Senators and about two dozen members HoR. The Governors of Pennsylvania, Illinois, Colorado, North Carolina and Hawaii. Lots of Mayors, councilmen, commissioners and State Legislators.
In the Trump admin the Commerce Sec and EPA Sec. Lots of principal deputy Sec. Plus Steve Whitkoff as special envoy.
Then there’s Stephen Miller who is probably the single most influential person in the Trump WH other than DJT himself. Those are only the major National political figures not the financial/corporate leaders or the cultural figures that have their own degree of influence and power.
Let’s drop attempts to use the language of the woke/lefty oppression olympics, race cards and victim status seeking/style points and leave those distasteful things to the lefty d/prog woke mob.
None of the people you list are “intolerant Jews”.
Depends upon the definition of intolerant.
or the context.
Maybe/maybe not I suspect that claim depends on the subject of intolerance. All five of those Governors seem fairly intolerant of Trump Admin efforts to deport illegal aliens… but any claim that ‘Jews’ have no power is Cray Cray and that seems the core of the claim.
Intolerant Christians do not have open arms and are not loathe to engage in discrimination toward Jews, historically, and others that do not meet their standards.
Could you reference a few historical American public figures and present day American public figures to whom you apply the label of ‘intolerant Christian’ so we can review their concrete actions to gain a better understanding of what you mean by this term? I have no clue what the scope of this term you used encompasses.
Tucker and Owens are sideshows. Everyone should just ignore them and let them shout into the void.
I did not walk away from watching the Fuentes interview by Tucker with any positive view of Fuentes. You “tongue bathing” comment seems to be coming from your estimation of Tucker not aggressively disagreeing with Fuentes.
I came to the interview from Ben Shapiro’s “take down” of this interview. What sent me to the Tucker interview was Ben’s use of Fuentes’ own video clips. Making me wonder why Ben had to go there.
One can criticize Tucker for what he did not do. But one cannot pretend that Tucker was agreeing. I saw a mild disagreement on certain topics but no agreement, but silence on others.
That isn’t the point. Tucker’s process is to give a megaphone to Jew haters and just pretend that it is a normal interview so that such hatred can be legitimized as just another opinion in the tapestry of ideas. Lies and conspiracy theories about Jews is not the same thing as debate over zero-based budgeting or the merits of wealth distribution vs buying a nuclear submarine.
Hosting an ‘interview’ with a nut job like Fuentes is not the same as.endorsement of.Fuentes views. True enough and TC DID engage more in that ‘interview’ than most others, but the lack of consistent pushback on Fuentes forcing him to defend false presumptions in his statements/claims turned it into an ‘open Mic night’ as opposed to an interview.
There’s a phrase from Pro Wrestling called ‘a rub’. In essence there’s a young guy the company wants to promote but need to get fans to support. To do so the company books a match with an established veteran wrestler with huge credibility/fan following. When the younger guy wins or even has a solid showing with the veteran winning with a ‘dirty trick’ the crowd and tv audience see the younger guy in a new light. Now he’s gained instant credibility by his appearance in the same ring with the older, established wrestler. That’s kinda what happened with TC, he let himself be used to give a sense of credibility to Fuentes. Of course TC has just as much 1A right to play host on his podcast to whomever he wants as the folks opposed to that have a 1A right to oppose it.
Freedom of Speech isn’t a pick and choose right. Let everyone speak and decide for yourself who is a nutter.
But neither does it guarantee an audience. Carlson gave him that.
I’d argue it was Carson’s 2.5 million ish subscribers and the millions (maybe tens of millions?) more who choose to periodically view unpaid clips that create the audience. TC can’t compel people to watch, the viewers ain’t a captive audience, they could always cut their subscription and/or avoid generating site traffic for him.
That they don’t seems to indicate they disagree with the intensity of the kurfluffle. Maybe its worth a deeper exploration of what else is being said and discussed there apart from surface level claims of ‘ists, isms and phobes’ about TC if nothing else to try and figure out the allure, what themes are.resonating, why they resonate… if just to try and understand those folks motives before taking the easy path of writing off the lot as incorrigible ‘ists full of isms and phobes’ or as HRC put it ‘deplorables’.
You sir are as brainless as they could come. I really mean that you are either extremely malicious or lack a brain.
Freedom of speech is the ability to talk without the government shutting you down.
Who the F told you Nick Fuentes has a right to be mainstreamed into the conservative movement?
Nick Fuentes is able to talk, in fact he speaks for a living.
Tucker Carlson speaks for a living to.
Nobody suggested in any way bringing the long arm of the law on them or locking them up or forcibly silencing them.
We are right now discussing was it the right thing to do and should we allow Tucker Carlson a man who has been actively promoting Nazism for over a year to remain the leading voice of the conservative movement.
I know which side of that I am on.
You are free to remain a liar and continue lying to yourself and dehumanizing all who oppose Nazism.
I pick basic human decency.
Do some soul searching and ask yourself how you went so dramatically wrong that you equate freedom of speech with a right to a tongue bath from somebody else.
I hear that he tears those labels off of pillows and pokes little puppies with sticks.
Juggles kittens too
Does he hurl little people?
Couple of meanings to the word “hurl” you know.
Carlson is CCP owned. That’s where all of his bullshit rhetoric is coming from. Bunch of morons worried about the evil Jew, when it’s the evil Chinese trying to crater our country. And they’re doing a pretty good job of it.
Are we still on this topic? Who gives a rat’s tuchus about Carlson at this point. He’s just a has-been Fox news commentator that’s desperately attempting to stay in relevant in the public view and the money flowing into his coffers. That is all. If we all just ignore Carlson, stop writing about him, stop pontificating about him, stop talking about him he’ll fade away into well deserved obscurity as just another third-rate conspiracy wackaloon preaching the gospel of Jewish conspiracies and chemtrails. to an ever decreasing number of people. We’ve all got better things to do than obsess over Tucker Carlson. So let’s just go on to other topics and leave Carlson to piss in the wind. He doesn’t deserve anything better, that’s for sure.
I am DEEPLY uncomfortable about this current cry for everyone to denounce Tucker Carlson publicly.
Is Tucker an antiSemite? Maybe.
Anti-Israel? Apparently.
Are the two always the same? Some insist they are.
Is this some sort of philosophical line in the sand that no one must be allowed to cross? I disagree. It reeks of purity and thought policing.
And to demonstrate, it is quite likely that this statement will itself be condemned as antiSemetic.
The irony is, I firmly believe that Jew-h8 is demonically inspired and is and has been a tool of Satan forever. As an entirely separate issue, I firmly support Isrel’s actions in regard to Gaza and the problem of the Gazan “civilians” if such a thing exists.
What I don’t support is this current implacable drive in some quarters to make unquestioning, overwhelming support of Israel the hill upon which MAGA must die.
Well.said. Let the d.prog wokiesta loons keep their monopoly on ‘You Can’t Say That’ style outrage. Especially when were seeing more frequent demands for third hand denunciation though curiously not aimed at Trump who very publicly and pointedly refused to denounce TC. Not true for everyone else though they are seemingly subject to the following;
Person 1/Fuentes is Bad. Person 2/TC conducted an interview of Person 1/Fuentes …ergo Person 2/TC is Bad. Now morphed into claims/demand of Persons 3- Infinity (everyone else) who fails to denounce Person 2/TC are also Bad.
Not quite for me. My view is:
Person 1/Fuentes is Bad. Person 2/TC conducted an interview of Person 1/Fuentes without pushback or framing …ergo Person 2/TC is Suspect. Now morphed into claims/demand of Persons 3- Infinity (everyone else) who fails to criticize and/or distance themselves from Person 2/TC are showing moral cowardice.
Other people’s mileage may vary
IMO trying to rope in the rest of the world to become involved with this TC /Fuentes kurfluffle is a horribly bad idea. It seems broadly intolerant and overly entitled to demand everyone else must conform to your own beliefs or be declared morally suspect. By this logic everyone must also denounce Heritage AND those who work there AND those who accept any aid from Heritage AND those who don’t denounce the persons who didn’t denounce those persons who didn’t denounce those persons in a never ending cycle of denouncing people to the nth degree.
There’s a whole lot more issues besides TC interview of Fuentes to create these sorts of ‘with us or against us/my way or the hwy’ demands for adherence to someone else’ moral code. I belive it is opening up Pandora’s box to green light that sort of point by point, issue by issue demand for uniformity of belief/action is gonna leave everyone falling short of perfection and none of us able to join with each other to advance our shared interests b/c we’re denouncing each other over one or more failures to comply with some demand to denounce someone else.
Everyone? no!
I’ve said distance not denounce or at least that’s my point of view.
If your anti-Israel existence you’re an antisemite.
If your an antisemite your likely anti-Israel existence.
your comment is not antisemitic in my opinion.
I for one don’t believe in unquestioning, overwhelming support for Israel. I’m not MAGA though.
Apparently Trump doesn’t even believe in that because he has pushed Israel into cease fires
and positions that are probably what they don’t want.
It’s fine to criticize aspects and actions of Israel both historical and current. It is fine to criticize their leaders. However, it is not fine to exclusively criticize Israel or to criticize without recognizing the positive aspects and history and actions of Israel. It is not fine to demand the elimination of Israel
It is fine to criticize aspects of the US-Israel relationship. It is fine to question whether they still require foreign aid or whether it should be phased out over time. These are reasonable questions to consider. However demanding BDS, or the stoppage of all aid without stopping aid to other countries, or stopping all arm sales to Israel without stopping the sales made to other countries, or severing the US-Israel relationship, well, that is not all right.
I definitely agree.
Fair enough. But it’s gone well beyond Israel at this point. It’s about antisemitism and other reprehensible “isms” at this point. Mainly due to Tucker and a few Tucker wannabees; Candace Owens is going down fast with her crazy conspiracy theories about Macron, etc. Tucker projects hate, not just toward Jews. I don’t see how you can call yourself a Christian and project such hate. Tucker even says nutty things about WWII and Churchill and even Bonhoffer, a literal saint. Unbelievable.
I’d argue the real issue is the declining support for ‘American Empire’. That’s to say the basis of America First (modern) is to put the well being, the security, safety and economic prosperity of US Citizens as THE single most important criteria. They don’t want to send Foreign aid to ANY Nation or be in ‘entangling alliances’ as President Washington warned about, with ANY Nation. That does include Israel but isn’t specifically directed at Israel or some plot to do Israel dirty by singling out Israel for special/harsh treatment but rather to apply the same standards/criteria universally.
What seems to be happening here is part of a struggle between the establishment neocons and their faux libertarian (tax costs, less regulation only) allies who are declining in power/influence V center/right populists who are asserting themselves and demanding changes. The neocons will happily label as antisemitism anything that doesn’t offer support for Israel in a cynical bid to retain their power and influence. That doesn’t diminish Fuentes being a kooky antisemitic weirdo, he is, but there’s a much bigger story here than simple antisemitism.
This is IMO why you see folks trying to pull JD Vance and others into the mix about TC hosting Fuentes. Practically every figure who is pushing the ‘Vance and everyone else must denounce TC’ narrative is ALSO a believer in the neocon American Empire establishment. Some aren’t and have more narrow concerns about anti Jewish bigotry which with Fuentes are entirely valid, less so for TC (still legitimately troubling). This is at least in part, a wedge issue deployed to wrest power back from newly ascendant center/right populism. Who benefits from a schism? The old guard neocon establishment and the d/prog wokiestas that’s who. Both are opposed to the America First movement b/c it threatens their power, influence.
How many groypers are there? Does anyone have a reliable figure?
The last line in the article demonstrates what all this manufactured canceling rage is about – the purpose behind the civil war. The same people who tried and failed to dump Trump for Desantis are now trying to preemptively destroy JD Vance by association. Sorry guys, but you are once again losing.
I consider this Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes and Kevin Roberts fiasco to be merely a distraction. As such, they should take it offline and discuss among yourselves. It doesn’t help me one bit, so from my point of view .. bugger off.