Democrats, Nonprofits Suing Trump Over Election Executive Order
Once again the Democrats think these people are too stupid to have documents needed to prove American citizenship.
President Donald Trump’s administration faces a lawsuit over his executive order to protect election integrity, including banning non-citizens from voting.
The plaintiffs:
- Democratic National Committee
- Democratic Governors Association
- Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
- Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
- Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer
- House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries
The Democrats disagree with many sections of Trump’s executive order, “Preserving and Protecting the Integrity of American Elections.”
But let’s concentrate on the portion of proof of citizenship because, once again, Democrats think people are too stupid to have the evidence.
The executive order says the person must have “a State or local official to record on the form the type of document that the applicant presented as documentary proof of United States citizenship, including the date of the document’s issuance, the date of the document’s expiration (if any), the office that issued the document, and any unique identification number associated with the document as required by the criteria in 52 U.S.C. 21083(a)(5)(A), while taking appropriate measures to ensure information security.”
The Democrats described the list of acceptable items for proof as too narrow because too many do not have them!
(A) a United States passport;
(B) an identification document compliant with the requirements of the REAL ID Act of 2005 (Public Law 109-13, Div. B) that indicates the applicant is a citizen of the United States;
(C) an official military identification card that indicates the applicant is a citizen of the United States; or
(D) a valid Federal or State government-issued photo identification if such identification indicates that the applicant is a United States citizen or if such identification is otherwise accompanied by proof of United States citizenship.
I really think Democrats believe minorities and immigrants are too stupid to obtain a driver’s license or an ID card.
How does an adult function without one of those? I have to take out my driver’s license to prove my identity way more often than I like.
I would not mind an extended list. Wyoming’s new law requiring proof of citizenship to vote has a decent list to show that you are an American citizen.
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This will further slow down the vote count in outlying cemeteries in Democrat districts.
It will be enjoined by a District Court trial judge.
A restraining order requires irreparable harm if the order is not entered.
With the exception of special elections to fill vacancies, there are not any elections in the near future.
Therefore, a TRO should not be issued because a near term harm does not exist.
Are you channeling Milhouse?
ngo the same bs as “non profit”
they make money or are a shadow government
but get to claim otherwise via lefty/rino definitions
further proof of government too big to succeed
doge this!!!!
Dems are racist, but c’mon, they don’t believe that immigrants are too stupid, this just impedes the cheating.
It’s not about immigrants. Immigrants, at least legal ones, have passports and thus ID. It’s more about people who have never traveled and thus had no need for a passport, and whose drivers’ license (if they have one, which not everyone does) is not REAL ID compliant.
Milhouse, that is the argument they use to say it’s “not fair” – but it’s a strawman argument..
Every state provides a non-driver ID, and does it for free if money is an issue. And Dems arguing that state IDs may not be Real ID compliant and hence, again, “not fair” is like the menandez brothers arguing for clemency as orphans – the Dems have deliberately and with malice afore thought fought making state IDs compliant for just this reason, – so valid voters would have no proof you could accept unless invalid (non citizen) voters could also use that type of ID to vote.
Bob
Milhouse seems correct to me. My own State of Alabama has just begun ‘Real ID’ availability. We have had a GoP Gov, LT Gov, AG, State Supreme CT and massive GoP majorities in the Legislature for more than a decade.
There is no way to blame d/prog for Alabama being late to implement the Real ID. Folks gotta suck it up (me included) and obtain primary docs like birth certificate to make it happen. It’s not hard, just time consuming. There’s gonna be MAGA folks in deeply Red States like Alabama who are gonna start bitching and moaning about it. We need to help them comply and hold their hand through the process if they will allow it. Some will raise hell, stomp off and pout no matter what and we gonna have to accept that.
My personal situation complies with Milhouse’s definition to a T. My DL Is intentionally not REAL ID compliant, and I refuse to apply for a passport. However, I do have a birth certificate, which proves my citizenship, and is on the list of acceptable documents when accompanied by a photo DL.
“Once again the Democrats think these people are too
stupidfugazi to have documents needed to prove American citizenship.”FIFY.
I also thought there were some Constitutional hurdles for Trump, but this is not a good look for Schumer and the DNC. The Complaint makes it clear they are in favor of illegals being allowed to vote.
What gender was the lawsuit? If it was a he, they can sing as they protest. I recommend, “A boy named Sue”:
My daddy left home when I was three.
And he didn’t leave much to ma and me.
So all I can do is yell and scream and call people names..
Some may have to update their documents but that shouldn’t be to big of a hurdle. I know my current drivers license is not real Id compliant but then Oklahoma really dragged it’s feet on that issue.
So did Alabama. I had real ID in TX but moved home in ’21. At that time no real ID was offered. My DL expired this January and I couldn’t find a birth cert after the move nor my SSA.card (both in a special folder I can’t find). So I had to get the regular DL marked ‘not for Federal.purposes’.
Lots of folks in States who were late adopting real ID gonna be in a.similar boat. The wait for my birth cert ie 120+ days. Gotta get it before I can replace my SSA card. My retired DoD ID, my VA and military records other than DD214 aren’t acceptable on their own. Passport is long expired. So now I’m stuck waiting on inefficient blue County govt employees in my County of birth who frankly DGAF to process my request for a.replacement birth certificate. I suspect it’s gonna be longer than 120 days.
Trump’s executive order specifically excludes birth certificates. The president has decided that being born in America is no longer enough.
For Citizens to obtain ‘Real.ID’ in Alabama you need:
1. Proof of Citizenship with either a US Passport or birth certificate
2. Proof of SSA# with SSA Card or DD214,.a Medicaid card w the SSA# or W2 (Also need a state issued DL/ID to validate the name)
3. Proof of current address satisfied with current DL/ID + current utility bill or last year’s tax return or Mortgage or Vehicle registration or voter registration card.. Must have any two.
FWIW being born in the USA isn’t complete proof of citizenship by itself; see child of foreign diplomats as one example.
All very doable given time to work through the bureaucracy. Most States initiated the process long ago. The States like Alabama which delayed implementation of Real ID to the last couple years gonna take some time to work through the process.
IMO the next step should be to zero out/purge the voter registration rolls. Have everyone come in to register in their birth month by restricting service to others. After the first year open it up to regular access for everyone. Short.term pain for a far cleaner voter.registration roll which is the key for secure elections.
NJ has the same standards, probably the same everywhere. I had no idea where my SS card was and had to use a 1099 for SS benefits. I got a Real ID drivers’ license as I might need to travel for business. My wife has no interest in Real ID, but would be shocked to learn she could no longer vote after over 50 years of doing so. It also took 2 hours in the DMV office to get it done, even with an appointment. IMO this is unworkable.
It’s very workable….given individual willingness to expend time and effort to comply. The hold up is folks not knowing where their docs are and having to deal.with bureaucracy across several agencies and levels of govt to obtain them. Then show up to DMV and get Real ID.
“Trump’s executive order specifically excludes birth certificates.”
Didja miss this part?
(D) a valid Federal or State government-issued photo identification if such identification indicates that the applicant is a United States citizen or if such identification is otherwise accompanied by proof of United States citizenship (like a domestic birth certificate).
Once again the Democrats think these people are too stupid to have documents needed to prove American citizenship.
Well, those people DO consistently vote Democrat, so… yeah, they are dumb.
Democrats really do not believe that people are stupid.
They just want illegals to vote.
Their assumption is the illegals will vote democrat.
dems know their people are stupid
how else would they be able to give them this trade off
monthly money for the trade off of
no men in the home
insane levels of violence and drug use
the least educated people consistently
etcetc
As to non-profits suing….
They shouldn’t have standing, right? They can’t vote as a non-profit. Only individuals can vote, so only individuals can sue.
If you’re gonna play the Hawaiian Judge game, then you gotta understand the rules!
(And before Milhouse turns up to be pedantic, that IS just rhetoric. I know how it really works. But it would be fun to see someone slap them in the face with such an answer.)
As I’ve explained before, it’s really simple: Democrats ALWAYS have standing. Republicans NEVER have standing.
Presumably the nonprofits are suing on behalf of named plaintiffs whom they represent. And they have to establish those plaintiffs’ standing.
Or they can establish their own standing by showing, somehow, that they are themselves affected by this order. E.g. if their purpose is to help people register to vote, then the new requirements make their job more burdensome to carry out, so it costs them more money, which they have to raise. That would give them standing.
And there he is. Just like I predicted.
Even though I wrote it out.
Inefficient. Just grab a mirror and say Milhouse three times.
I would say Millhouse is to humor like a moth to a flame, but Milly is the one killing the humor.
The proper cliche is ants to a picnic.
About ten years ago, when Voter ID was called racist, discriminatory against elderly, disabled, minority, etc. I had to go the the local Social Security office. In order to get through the front door of the Federal Building, I had to produce photo ID. When I got the the very large waiting room, it was filled with minorities, the elderly, the disabled, etc. That’s when I realized the excuses for not having an ID were BS.
All the DMVs in my state are on bus routes. If someone can figure out the bus route, they can get to the DMV. People can get everywhere else but Dems don’t think they can get to the DMV?
At my DMV you can now schedule an appt to save time too
Neither my DL nor my CPL are realID compliant nor do they indicate that I am a citizen. I was never in the military, I don’t have a passport, and expecting me to change either of those is ridiculous.
Wouldn’t presenting a social security card along with a state ID or birth certificate be proof of citizenship for this? I’m basically in the same boat as you and figured this was what I would have to do. I think those are what you need to get a real ID anyway.
I last saw my social security card about 40 years ago. I’ve never needed it because I have used my passport as ID to get jobs. But suppose I was self-employed, or held the same job since before ID was needed to get one, then I could easily not have a passport either and without the card what would I do to comply with the new rules?
I support requiring proof of eligibility to vote, because the alternative is just to take people’s word for it, and to me that’s not acceptable. But the inevitable result is that some eligible people will not be able to vote. To me that’s an acceptable tradeoff, but I completely understand that some people will disagree, and they have every right to try to persuade the courts that they’re right.
without the card what would I do to comply with the new rules?
Go and get one?
Y’all do know you can get another SS card, right?
You do know you can get a new copy of your birth certificate, right?
Maybe people ARE too stupid to get proper ID. In which case, they shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
I do still have my original SS card and I know where it is.
I mean “original,” as in containing the memory-holed tagline,
FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES ONLY — NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION.
It would tickle me immensely to throw that broken promise (lie) back in their faces on whatever day they demand that exact card for identification of my citizenship.
The latest DOGE news shows that social security numbers and passports have been given out to illegals. So a birth certificate ans naturalization papers are needed for full verification now.
The acceptable forms of ID are listed in the article. Neither SS cards nor birth certificates are mentioned.
It’s entirely easy and you need stop whining and get it done. I got mine 6 years ago and renewed it again two weeks ago. It’s not hard at all; In my state you need to complete the requirements in three areas::
1. Certified Birth Certificate (easy to get) costs like $25
2. Your SS card or a W-2 with your SSAN on it or a Form-1099 (any type) with your SSAN on it, or even a “No Social Security Number verification letter from the Social Security Administration” (because some people don’t have one or want one).
3. Any two third-party documents to show your residency — utility bills, professional licenses, financial statements (broker, bank, lender, etc.), insurance policies, medical bills, any current educational institution (and there even rules for homeschooled kids like mine).
You know the biggest problem with the requirements to get a RealID or a passport?
While the list is comprehensive and the instructions are actually pretty clear (“One of these, or one each of those”), it’s so danged long that people get intimidated by it. There are so many possibilities for proving who you are, people get afraid! (That, and so many simply don’t know how to read directions.)
Exactly the sort of people you want marking ballots for 65 offices, ten referenda, and 16 initiatives.
Whining? You do understand the difference between “them darkies are too stupid and too broke to get a free state ID” and someone who’s had a DL since I was a teenager suddenly wondering how the hell that’s not good enough and how silly the alternate requirements are?
Every state now issues REAL ID-compliant IDs, and you’ll need one to board flights or access government buildings in a little over a month. Probably best to get on that.
Neither my DL nor my CPL are realID compliant
So you or your state are in violation of current federal law? I hope you don’t want to fly anywhere.
Some of us really don’t.
Or enter federal government buildings.
Or travel to countries that don’t honor my rights,
Hell, I won’t even travel to some STATES.
I haven’t been on a plane since 2000 and the only federal buildings I’ve been in since then are national Park bathrooms.
why doesnt an ebt card qualify as a real id??
Because they give them to non-citizens.
Yes, you don’t have to be a citizen to get one. Same for drivers’ licenses that aren’t REAL ID compliant. There’s no reason why a drivers’ license should say what country you’re a citizen of, because it’s completely irrelevant to your ability to drive, which is what a license is supposed to be for. It’s not supposed to be for ID. But now that it is used for that purpose it needs more information, and REAL ID requires that it show citizenship, which you have to prove, so if you can’t prove it you get a noncompliant license, which is still perfectly good for its actual purpose.
I suppose they could make EBT cards REAL ID compliant too, but they’d still have to issue noncompliant cards for those who can’t provide the necessary documents but are still eligible for benefits.
agree ..you dont have to be a citizen etc
and therein lies another problem we could solve at the same time
you should not get tax funding especially if you’re not a citizen
Hoping for a Leftist Judge to help their side I bet
Anything that President Trump issues the Dems are suing. It is clear that any citizen has proper documents, but this will stop illegal and fake voting. These District Judges should not be accepting these cases.
No, it is not at all clear that “any citizen has proper documents”. On the contrary it’s completely clear and agreed by all parties that many citizens don’t have them, and will now have to get them, which may be difficult and/or expensive. The question is whether that’s an acceptable tradeoff for more secure elections. I think it is, but those who disagree are entitled to try to persuade the courts that it isn’t.
which may be difficult and/or expensive
Which is where the bullcarp enters the discussion. They are not, and never really have been in the last 60+ years.
Connecticut drivers licenses have DO on them if they cannot be used to vote. Driving Only.
I hereby propose we allow Phillip-Morris to sponsor the elections. With every completed ballot turned in, the voter gets an individually-wrapped cigarette. Oh, with proper ID, of course.
Oh, wait. I can do one better. Print the ballots with tobacco-derived ink, thus requiring ID to receive.
ID to buy cigarettes does not have to show citizenship. You don’t even have to be a US resident to buy cigarettes.
And individually-wrapped cigarettes are illegal. That’s what Eric whats-his-name, the guy on Staten Island who decided he wasn’t going to be arrested and gave himself a heart attack, was being arrested for. It’s a federal law.
Wow. I knew this one would de-activate your irony bone.
I do believe George Floyd was also a notorious purveyor of “loosies.”
You posted the criteria yourself but seem to have missed the fact that a driver’s license or ID card does not count if it isn’t REAL ID compliant, which many states’ cards are not. Even in states where REAL ID compliant licenses are available, many/most people don’t have them.
And in states where it is available, getting it is not always that simple, because you have to prove to the state that you are a citizen, and doing that isn’t always that simple. You need ID to get ID, and to get that ID you need ID too. A birth certificate is worth almost no points, and there are still some elderly people who can’t get copies of their birth certificate because no certificate was ever issued in the first place.
I know people who were in such a bind. In one case the only ID the person had was a birth certificate (worth 1 point) and an expired passport (worth 0 points). The only thing the expired passport was good for was to renew it, so in the end that’s what he did, and then everyone else was happy with the new passport. But they wouldn’t take the old one at all, even though the passport office was happy to renew it just on the basis of the old one! Go figure that out. And had he not had an expired passport he would still have no ID and no way to get any.
I know someone else, a French citizen, who needed a valid birth certificate to get his passport renewed, but needed a valid passport to get his birth certificate. The only solution in his case was that his parents had some connection to a senator, who pulled some strings for him. Without that his only solution would have been to become a US citizen (for which he had enough documentation) and get a US passport.
I know someone else who had changed her name when she was married 50 years earlier, but ran into trouble proving the marriage and thus the name change because it took place on a USAF base in occupied Japan and they couldn’t find the records. Until she sorted it out, which took some doing, she couldn’t open a new bank account in her married name that she’d had for 50 years.
Every state issues REAL ID-compliant IDs. The last state to fall in line was Oklahoma back in 2020, and if people haven’t bothered to deal with it in the last five years then nothing is really going to solve their problem.
And yet they’re US citizens and entitled to vote.
I’m OK with this mostly because voting is not a constitutional right. Nowhere in the US constitution will you find such a right. On the contrary, the 14th amendment explicitly acknowledges that states at the time could exclude people from the franchise on the basis of race, and while it penalized them for doing so it didn’t prevent them. That’s why the 15th amendment was necessary, which made the penalty provision of the 14th moot. Subsequent amendments further restricted states’ ability to exclude people from the franchise, but none of them establish an actual constitutional right to vote; they just say that states can’t restrict it in certain ways, but can restrict it in any other way.
So I’m OK with a small number of eligible voter being turned away because they can’t prove they’re eligible. Not everyone is OK with that, and it’s dishonest to claim that the problem doesn’t exist.
Another point, DL in NJ expire every 4 years on your birthday. As a practical matter DMV in this state could not come close to giving everyone without one an appointment for a new Real ID compliant license off cycle.
Which is why they have had something like 19 years to implement it. That sort of whinging excuse is why the deadline got delayed at least TWICE.
And yet they’re US citizens and entitled to vote.
Not if they don’t want to go to the effort, they don’t. That’s the point. And, it’s not like you have to go through it again and again. Most voting registration is permanent if you actually vote every 2-4 years. It IS a privilege to vote, honestly – it’s not a natural right. If you don’t want to exercise it, fine. But don’t demand it be effortless and without consequence to you.
“voting is not a constitutional right. Nowhere in the US constitution will you find such a right.”
The 26th Amendment explicitly enumerates “the right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote.”
So do the 15th, 19th, and 24th. They all refer not to a constitutional right but to a right granted by the states. States choose to create a right to vote, and are free to limit it in any way they please except those prohibited by these four amendments.
Sorry, no. It says “citizens of the United States,” a distinct classification created by the 14th amendment as being something other than state citizenship, and it is administered by federal, not state, authority.
Alabama hadn’t begun Real ID availability in ’21 when I moved back from TX. It just kicked off here last year so there are a bunch of folks with DL/ID that ain’t compliant with Real.ID. The DL/ID states ‘not for Federal Purposes’.
Which you have to lay at the feet of the gov’t there. Since the REAL ID act was passed in 2005.
Which means that if you are asked for identification by a fed, you can truthfully say, “I don’t have any.”
which many states’ cards are not
Then they are not in compliance with federal law. Even though we postponed the deadline twice, it is now a requirement.
While they can issue non-compliant IDs, the person requesting said ID must ask to waive that.
And, yes, I’m happy with that taking away their right vote if they also can’t produce other documents proving they’re a citizen. Which is easy and inexpensive to do in almost every case.
Or, we could just kick out every non-citizen in the country, regardless of legality or relationship. Then we could guarantee it was just Americans voting.
Well, no.
(D) a valid Federal or State government-issued photo identification if such identification indicates that the applicant is a United States citizen or if such identification is otherwise accompanied by proof of United States citizenship (like a domestic birth certificate).
That means any drivers license that shows citizenship –because some that aren’t REAL ID do– or one that does not accompanied by something that does. Like a birth certificate.
to get any tax gov issued benefit dont you have to prove AT LEAST ONCE that you are THAT person??
of course
so even the poor do in fact have government id to collect those funds
What would an adult who does not drive have to do to be able to vote, or folks in any number of older person situations? Apply for a passport?
Go get a State ID card instead of a DL but meeting Real ID standards. Probably gonna need at minimum birth cert, SSA Card. With those out of the way its a breeze at least in Alabama. Check your State requirements at their website and they almost certainly have a list of primary, secondary and substitute docs needed.
BTW, a passport will only answer the citizenship question. Anyone will STILL have to prove they are a resident. Which is actually harder, if you don’t own a home, than proving you’re a citizen.
A lease agreement?
What if you’re not renting? What if you’re living with someone who owns the home or pays rent?
I can see why Dems are worried their voters aren’t smart enough to get ID. The IQ of a corpse is 0.
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