Atlantic Publishes Some Signal Messages About Attack on Houthis in Yemen
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Atlantic Publishes Some Signal Messages About Attack on Houthis in Yemen

Atlantic Publishes Some Signal Messages About Attack on Houthis in Yemen

The Atlantic released parts of the messages after the administration insisted no one released classified information.

The Atlantic published a few Signal messages about the attack on the Houthis in Yemen.

“There was no classified material that was shared in that Signal group,” Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard told the Senate Intelligence Committee.

CIA Director John Ratcliffe said the same thing: “My communications, to be clear, in the Signal message group were entirely permissible and lawful and did not include classified information.”

Editor-in-Chief Jeffrey Goldberg did not release the Yemen part of the messages in his initial piece.

I’m guessing the publication conversed with its legal department before publishing the messages.

The Atlantic did not include everything:

As we wrote on Monday, much of the conversation in the “Houthi PC small group” concerned the timing and rationale of attacks on the Houthis, and contained remarks by Trump-administration officials about the alleged shortcomings of America’s European allies. But on the day of the attack—Saturday, March 15—the discussion veered toward the operational.

At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:”

The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:
•“1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”
•“1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”

But due to the administration denying claims they shared classified information, The Atlantic insisted it had to release the messages so people could “reach their own conclusions.”

The Hegseth text then continued:

•“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”
•“1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”
•“1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”
•“MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”
•“We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security.
•“Godspeed to our Warriors.”

Shortly after, Vice President J. D. Vance texted the group, “I will say a prayer for victory.”

The Atlantic claimed it reached out to the administration for permission to release the information:

Yesterday, we asked officials across the Trump administration if they objected to us publishing the full texts. In emails to the Central Intelligence Agency, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the National Security Council, the Department of Defense, and the White House, we wrote, in part: “In light of statements today from multiple administration officials, including before the Senate Intelligence Committee, that the information in the Signal chain about the Houthi strike is not classified, and that it does not contain ‘war plans,’ The Atlantic is considering publishing the entirety of the Signal chain.”

We sent our first request for comment and feedback to national-security officials shortly after noon, and followed up in the evening after most failed to answer.

Vice President JD Vance responded this morning:

Look, it was a huge mistake. It’s not good and shouldn’t have happened.

But as RedState’s Bonchie points out, the administration should have just admitted the mistake and moved on.

I also agree with him that if you didn’t call for resignations after the Afghanistan withdrawal, you shouldn’t say anything.

Also, don’t forget that former President Barack Obama killed an American citizen and his teenage son with drones.

Anwar al-Awlaki was a terrorist. He was also an American citizen. No matter where you are and what you’re accused of, you deserve due process if you are a citizen of America. You are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Even if you’re okay with the al-Awlaki killing, the drone also killed his teenage son.

So if you weren’t outraged over that, don’t freak out about the Signal messages.

Breitbart’s Joel Pollak agrees. The administration should make changes. Signal is more secure than text messages and other apps but is imperfect.

Granted, this was a user error, NOT a Signal error. A persona has to add someone to a group.

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jhkrischel | March 26, 2025 at 10:15 am

So, 3-4 hours worth of head’s up that a strike was coming, from somewhere, to somewhere. Assuming the “journalist” leaked that information immediately, it obviously wasn’t enough information to make any difference.

This looks like Sensitive but Unclassified info (SBU).

What options other than Signal are available?


     
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    Virginia42 in reply to gibbie. | March 26, 2025 at 10:24 am

    No way they should be using a compromised system for anything.


     
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    TargaGTS in reply to gibbie. | March 26, 2025 at 10:46 am

    There was Notify. But, it’s shuttered or is being shuttered and I don’t believe it was ever approved for classified information. The (likely) reason Signal (and a few other apps) are used is because the texts aren’t archived longterm. Any other government comms apps, particularly the systems specifically designed for classified materials, have robust archiving features built in.


 
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gonzotx | March 26, 2025 at 10:23 am

Yes, this denial , downplaying and Waltz’s interview with Ingrahm was God awful and made him and the administration look like incompetent idiots


     
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    Andy in reply to gonzotx. | March 26, 2025 at 10:28 am

    Smells like a journalist honey pot trap to me.

    Fat fingering the Atlantic???? I mean I’ve seen smarter people make dumber mistakes… and it’s usually Trump 1.0 with his tweets. But this seems a little too good for the left.

    I’m not the only one thinking this. The low IQ media and dems will run with it, and if we are seeing a brilliant set of minds in motion, I’m inclined to wait and see what they are cooking.


       
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      MattMusson in reply to Andy. | March 26, 2025 at 3:51 pm

      The AP was loaded onto the phones by members of the CIA. But, the fact that they loaded the name Marco Rubio and associated it with the phone number of a reporter at the Atlantic was a complete accident.

Meh- Dunno. Something smells “off” about it.

But that’s the best part. Smartest chess playing minds don’t know if this was a staged fake.

Is Vance REALLY texting back and forth on this BS????


 
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TargaGTS | March 26, 2025 at 10:36 am

I think Hotair’s Bonchie nails it. They’ve taken a bad one day, maybe two-day story and turned into something bigger because they didn’t own it from the very first moment. Daring the Atlantic to publish even more of what they had was also hugely unhelpful. Now there’s a ‘lawsuit’ that OF COURSE has been assigned to the same judge that is hearing the illegal alien deportation case.

Having said all that, the bigger mistake moving forward would be to indulge the Democrat calls for a ‘special counsel’ which will surely be coming in the very near future, if not today.


     
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    alaskabob in reply to TargaGTS. | March 26, 2025 at 10:43 am

    Remember the couple in their car that somehow tuned into a Republican meeting on their car radio and just had a tape recorder handy to catch it on tape?


 
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alaskabob | March 26, 2025 at 10:40 am

So instead of letting the guys know that he wasnt supposed to be in on discussion or inappropriate to be in on the discussion …..he goes “Pentagon Papers” mode not to aid the country but print a gotcha. Here we go again….remember the joke that if the NYT had been around at the time of Paul Revere, they would have published the one if by land and two if by sea? Plan?


     
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    henrybowman in reply to alaskabob. | March 26, 2025 at 10:54 am

    If your security plans depend on your enemies being honest and fair, you need to be transferred to the Peace Corps.


     
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    BLSinSC in reply to alaskabob. | March 26, 2025 at 11:18 am

    THAT was my initial thought! I’m fairly certain that he KNEW he was NOT supposed to be included so why not raise his hand and say “Hey guys, did you mean to include me”? Maybe this was a TRAP to see if the usually anti-American nature of the guy would run immediately to the press to spread the plans?!?! In the future, I’m sure they will scan the ROSTER for commies!!


       
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      henrybowman in reply to BLSinSC. | March 26, 2025 at 12:26 pm

      Not only that, but why didn’t Woodward immediately call the FBI and complain that someone was offering to feed him confidential election integrity information?

      I’m sorry, but I just can’t believe all you people who are stretching to make this the journalist’s fault.


         
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        Andy in reply to henrybowman. | March 26, 2025 at 6:32 pm

        Not the journalist’s fault at all.

        I’m dubious as to it being “accident.”

        Put blue dye into the water and see where it goes. I’m not sure if this being front page as opposed to simply passed directly to the enemy is part of the game or now.


       
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      JohnSmith100 in reply to BLSinSC. | March 26, 2025 at 1:34 pm

      They why is that the Atlantic is another Dem propaganda outlet.


 
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henrybowman | March 26, 2025 at 10:50 am

“So if you weren’t outraged over that, don’t freak out about the Signal messages.”

What if you WERE outraged, but were denied satisfaction because the Democrat in charge was a hack and a traitor?

Does this allow Trump to claim the same excuse? Not good optics, and not what I voted for.

I’ve been known to urge Republicans to claim they’re “just using the rules the Democrats created” when screwing the Democrats, but this incompetence (or sabotage) affected our collective national security.


     
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    DaveGinOly in reply to henrybowman. | March 26, 2025 at 11:13 am

    “…this incompetence (or sabotage) affected our collective national security.”

    This is both arguably true and arguably untrue, depending on how one views this incident.

    It’s arguably untrue because (so far) nobody has identified any way in which this incident affected the strike itself or future strikes. A timetable for a set of strikes was discussed and we know they came off without a hitch. It seems that no intelligence sources nor operational methods were compromised. Did they dodge a bullet? Yes, they did. But sometimes dodging a bullet is eye-opening (see below).

    It’s arguably true because this incident has raised awareness of the need for OPSEC and may prevent an actually damaging mistake in the future.

The question that I have is why does anyone in the Trump administration have Jeffery Goldberg’s contact information?


     
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    henrybowman in reply to MarkS. | March 26, 2025 at 12:55 pm

    This is another red herring.

    People have been posting nonsense about “Goldberg’s address being in the Signal app.” Signal doesn’t come with its own address book, it siphons yours.

    When I first opened Signal, it asked for access to my contacts list and told me it wouldn’t be much use if I refused, so I agreed. It then proceeded to identify everyone in my address book who had a Signal account, loaded them into its own (on my phone) address book, and then notified all of them that I had joined Signal. This last part was not at all appreciated, especially since a lot of the people who had Signal were people I had had no reason to communicate with for years, and definitely had no pressing need to re-establish contact with at the present time.

    This whole Six Degrees of Crowdsourced Address Books approach practically ensures that everyone ends up knowing about everyone else. It’s the same algorithm that Facebook, Google, and everybody else who markets you as their product uses to graph relationships between every subscriber on the globe.


       
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      TargaGTS in reply to henrybowman. | March 26, 2025 at 1:41 pm

      I largely agree with most of this. But, if Waltz is telling the truth (big IF), and he really didn’t have Goldberg as a contact (he says he’s never interacted with him in any capacity), I am a bit curious how his address was available to Waltz. If Waltz isn’t lying, he would/should genuinely want to know that as well. Ratcliff says his CIA-provided phone came with signal natively (almost certainly added by CIA IT). I am curious if government tech specialists are installing signal with a curated address book and if so, who’s responsible for that curation.

      BTW, the process you describe of ‘siphoning’ the address books is why I’m fastidious about using separate messaging apps for my several address books. For instance, no one I work with is in my iOS address book. Teams is for biz and no one else, ever. Etc, etc. It’s too easy to make the kind of mistake Walz made. I honestly can’t believe anyone working in his capacity would ever message family, friends or JOURNALISTS from a government-owned device. That’s just begging for problems.


         
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        Chuck Skinner in reply to TargaGTS. | March 27, 2025 at 12:38 am

        I am SURE that the address book for these devices is a specifically curated address book, controlled by CIA or some subset. The APP may ask you for permission to scrape your contacts when it is INSTALLED, but if CIA IT installed it onto their OWN bespoke devices, there wouldn’t have been anything to scrape yet, because those devices would not have been turned over to the end users like Radcliffe. The question then becomes WHEN was that list last curated and updated by CIA IT, and I can almost guarantee you that occurred during the Biden Administration and there is some mid-level IT staffer that is a Leftist supporter that specifically left Goldberg ON that list for some future nefarious purpose of being added to something JUST LIKE THIS.

        The immediate thing that Ratcliffe and Gabbard should do is to order the immediate review of the curated contacts list, to evaluate and identify any other “holdovers” that any Biden flunkey might have left in as a landmine or with the intent of “spilling” data to later, and then chasing down whom added those individuals or whom failed to remove them upon the new administration coming to power.


 
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TargaGTS | March 26, 2025 at 11:02 am

FWIW, I’ve read all the text messages that are currently publicly available. As of now, while I have read a number of info items that generally would be included in what the military calls a ‘Five Paragraph Order,’ those orders and the information they contain are not considered classified, which might surprise some, I guess. I haven’t read anything (yet) that would be properly described as confidential much less ‘Top Secret,’ even though that’s how the media is describing it all. It’s not.


     
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    CommoChief in reply to TargaGTS. | March 26, 2025 at 12:58 pm

    Disagree. This was info on precise timing of attacks, weapons platform of attacks, weapons systems to be used. Combined with open source info and it gives pretty clear location data of launch point of attacks. All of that puts lives into danger. If I was AG and someone leaked this info I would have them in handcuffs and shipped to Gitmo before the sun went down. Note please don’t put me in charge of maintaining opertational.security unless y’all are prepared for that to be the only consideration enforced in a draconian manner.

    This was an unnecessary and unprofessional mistake by the Admin. We have secure portable comms equipment that can be used where the entire communication doesn’t touch a civilian network, no ‘outside’ numbers can be recognized to transmit to and it has very high levels of encryption.

    It was a system error. The end users want to prioritize convenience and ease of use v security. Easy fix, bar the use of this. Then require govt issued secure phones with a white list of preloaded contacts so they end user can’t add contacts with a periodic hands on audit, security, software/check by some mean old crusty Signal Corps CW4 who DGAF how much the user don’t like it and if the user won’t comply will remotely disable his device and send Army CID and FBI to get the user with a CC heads up to the WH CoS. Do that and shit gets fixed very quick.


       
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      TargaGTS in reply to CommoChief. | March 26, 2025 at 1:59 pm

      Have you ever had to deal with imbed journos during combat operations? Nothing in that text chain is substantively different from the pre-op briefing they might receive while being an imbed and/or from information they might be able to glean simply by being imbedded. If there are journos on the Truman (or whatever carrier strike group is conducting these attacks), they knew everything Hegseth said. Are those briefings ‘classified?’ They are not. If they were, journos couldn’t receive them (legally).

      But, that doesn’t excuse what’s happened. There’s a reason that while the information imbed journos have access to isn’t classified, we still often embargo their reports until sensitive information they’re holding has perished, operationally. This was a GIANT mistake and these conversations should not be held on commercial messaging apps or even on commercially available phones, as I said in the previous thread. This was a big self-own.


         
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        CommoChief in reply to TargaGTS. | March 26, 2025 at 3:11 pm

        Yes I have and they were not able to publish, we .took their sat phones, cell phones and denied access to our comms systems including MWR to preclude them publishing beforehand. Prudence and a little healthy paranoia pays off.

        This was a SYSTEM error. They gotta use secured govt only networks for this sort of communication. Users always bitch about convenience and wish to prioritize ease of use v OPSEC. Totally understandable, I get it they are cumbersome for a reason and I’ve heard all the complaints and excuses before. As this demonstrates it could have gone very wrong. All it takes is one goofball who starts discussing more serious details and a worse Ahole than Goldberg who would immediately publish them.

        Was this the worst thing ever? Nope, not.even close. But the slip shod way it occurred is a systemic problem that needs to be immediately fixed. Can’t have folks at Cabinet level discussing operational timelines and strike packages on an unsecured means and the unnoticed presence of the Journalist within the group renders it unsecured.


       
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      TargaGTS in reply to CommoChief. | March 26, 2025 at 2:21 pm

      I would concede that the one piece of information that is the most problematic is the zero hour information. If there’s something that will sink them, that’s it.


         
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        CommoChief in reply to TargaGTS. | March 26, 2025 at 3:18 pm

        I don’t think anyone should be fired. Rather use this episode as an example and do a legit AAR to define the multiple problems exposed and get it corrected so it doesn’t happen again. WH Communication Office (the Signal Corps not the PR folks) can definitely fix this pretty easily but enforcing it takes someone above the user and with Cabinet level officials that’s POTUS so get him to empower a crusty CW4 to crack the whip and order compliance with what that mean old MF CW4 says with written Presidential orders specifically authorizing any deviation required to be placed in his hands by the user to do otherwise.


 
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destroycommunism | March 26, 2025 at 11:42 am

this is easy

yeah we made a mistake and now we are going harder after those who intentionallyyyyy leaked the abortion info etc etc

scorch the mofo earth against these leftists


 
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destroycommunism | March 26, 2025 at 11:45 am

The Atlantic publishing this info is IN FACT AN ADMISSION by them that this is not classified information

otherwise they would be guilty of knowingly helping the enemy ( once again) by releasing info that they ( seemingly for political reasons want to say IS CLASSIFIED) obtained..legally or not


     
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    henrybowman in reply to destroycommunism. | March 26, 2025 at 12:34 pm

    You are reversing cause and effect.

    The Atlantic said they felt free to publish this information now BECAUSE of the administration’s insistence that none of it was classified.


       
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      Chuck Skinner in reply to henrybowman. | March 27, 2025 at 12:52 am

      And NONE OF IT, so far released has been “Classified.” As noted by the Cabinet officials, even if “sensitive, but unclassified,” not less that 3 of the individuals on the communication chain would have had the authority BY THEMSELVES to release the entire chat so far published to the press at any time.

      I’m still not convinced that Goldberg wasn’t added ~on purpose~ BY THE ADMINISTRATION for the express purpose of having him put out an immediate “hair on fire” piece about the “imminent attack” on Yemin, with the intent of seeing where the cockroaches would attempt to scramble to and find their hiding places.

      When you get word that the missile is coming in RIGHT NOW, you have a tendency to forget to try to do the whole backtrack and mislead direction thing and just run as fast as you can to your bunker. If (known terrorist) that they were OBVIOUSLY closely tracking had been goosed to do so, a whole lot MORE bad guys might have been able to have been taken out.


 
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Crawford | March 26, 2025 at 11:46 am

“No matter where you are and what you’re accused of, you deserve due process if you are a citizen of America.”

Simply not true. US citizens who had gone to Germany and volunteered for the Wehrmacht were not given due process during WWII, and no one expected them to receive it. They were enemy combatants, no more.


     
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    TargaGTS in reply to Crawford. | March 26, 2025 at 12:47 pm

    That’s true. They were not afforded due process on the battlefield…in Europe. However, some were captured in the US. For instance, the US citizens involved in Operation Pastorious (three total), were granted due process (as were the other German nationals captured with them) and that would eventually produce the case SCOTUS decided, Ex parte Quirin, 317 U.S. 1 (1942). Those men were eventually sentenced to death. Their convictions upheld by the Court but two of the three US citizens were granted clemency by FDR and I think later deported to Germany after the war. One was executed weeks after the sentences were upheld.


 
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Olinser | March 26, 2025 at 1:02 pm

So now Goldberg has released the ‘full’ chat that he witnessed, and it’s exactly what I said.

https://x.com/Shawn_Farash/status/1904876980496970010

There are no ‘war plans’, there is no classified information.

It’s them discussing stuff you’d expect to see in a basic meeting between these people at a normal Cabinet meeting with this as the topic.

So just as predicted, Goldberg is a liar trying to massively upsell this nonsense, and his bluff was called and now he’s exposed for the zero-credibility liar we all knew he was.

The very fact he was spewing out the ridiculous phrase WAR PLANS gave the game away from the start.


 
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Olinser | March 26, 2025 at 1:09 pm

By the way, the propaganda media is in full swing trying to spin this.

As they do periodically when trying to shovel their propaganda, Youtube suddenly forcibly re-activated their ‘breaking news’ section for me, and every single ‘breaking news’ story is on this stupid story spinning WAR PLANS LEAK, and has 3k or less views.

Every time I X out the category and say don’t recommend it, but periodically they forcibly turn it back on when they need to try and spin something for Democrats. They did it A LOT during the election, forcibly turning it on days apart, every single time with some stupid propaganda dig against Trump. But of course they didn’t do it when he almost got shot.

By the way, I have literally never once watched ‘news’ on Youtube.

Once you see the propaganda in action, you can’t un-see it.


 
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Reselyup | March 26, 2025 at 1:21 pm

Goldberg should be charged?? Charged with what, exactly? Publishing unclassified information that he was given? Lol.


 
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mailman | March 26, 2025 at 2:07 pm

Bonchie has got it wrong.

This was never going to be a one day story simply because of how desperate Democrats are for anything they can use to have a dig at Trump.

It really didnt matter that the Admin had come out pretty early saying it was a f99k up but that was NEVER going to be the end of it.


 
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Olinser | March 26, 2025 at 2:12 pm

By the way, it’s actually comical to watch the left’s propaganda narrative shift in real time.

First it was TOP SECRET INFO. Then it was CLASSIFIED INFO. Now they’re all saying ‘sensitive’ info.

This is a joke, they know it, Goldberg tried to bluff, and Hegseth called his bluff.


 
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tjv1156 | March 26, 2025 at 3:11 pm

Pete Hegseth got caught mishandling classified info and then lying about it . But his boss can’t come down on him becuase he mishandled classified information and lied about it. .
https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/03/even-ex-fox-news-colleagues-are-turning-against-pete-hegseth-and-trump-oh-for-gods-sake.html


 
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ztakddot | March 26, 2025 at 3:55 pm

I’m so done with this, No harm, no foul.

If it was a mistake, admit it, say how you will correct things so it won’t happen again, and just move on.

Find who added Goldberg. If it was deliberate, fire them. If it was an accident, spank them and send them to bed without supper.

Decide what app to use going forward and make sure everyone is trained appropriately in its use.

Try and act like serious adults instead of trying to score points or worrying about who is scoring points.

Put the issue to bed and refuse to be further baited. Move on.


     
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    Olinser in reply to ztakddot. | March 26, 2025 at 4:55 pm

    Have you just not been paying attention?

    That’s exactly what they DID do. They said from the start that this was a nothingburger, and that there was no classified information, and Goldberg was a liar.

    Goldberg kept insisting that first it was CLASSIFIED INFORMATION, spewed about TOP SECRET, tried to claim they exposed a CIA operative, and the admin called his bluff.

    So Goldberg was forced to post everything.

    And.. proved that there was no classified information, and Goldberg was a liar.

    They HAVE decided what app to use going forward. It’s Signal. There were public announcements and statements from 2024 specifically about switching to Signal because too many agencies were using unsecured aps, and CISA declared Signal the one they were supposed to use.

    This entire thing is Goldberg lying and grandstanding and people that don’t know what they’re talking about whining about using Signal.


       
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      ztakddot in reply to Olinser. | March 26, 2025 at 6:11 pm

      They should stopped after their first statements. There was no benefit to answering Goldberg at all. Just say it was a mistake and no classified information was released and that their researching how it happened. No one cares that Goldberg lied. Your not going to change any opinions so why continue the dialog.

      BTW: I read it was s Waltz staffer who had Goldberg’s info on his phone. Don’t know who or how he will be dealt with. That didn’t take long.


       
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      Paula in reply to Olinser. | March 26, 2025 at 6:31 pm

      “This entire thing is Goldberg lying and grandstanding…”

      Yes and in doing so he has burned his bridges behind him. His career as a journalist is finished.”


 
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Arnoldn | March 26, 2025 at 5:04 pm

The security weakness of these chats, texts, or video conferencing is ensuring that group membership is what it should be. At work and with video conferencing, we were always checking to see who was on. This national security working group needs to appoint a gatekeeper to ensure that only the authorized persons are members of a group chat.


     
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    CommoChief in reply to Arnoldn. | March 26, 2025 at 5:39 pm

    Exactly. Run a white list through the White House Communications Office. The Signal Corps folks in that office are very capable, very competent professionals. Setting up a white list for contacts and management of it and servicing the devices/programs/apps is easy peasy.


 
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Reselyup | March 26, 2025 at 9:22 pm

That far-left rag National Review has called for Hegseth to be fired. What a bunch of Marxist ideologues they are.


     
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    Chuck Skinner in reply to Reselyup. | March 27, 2025 at 1:08 am

    Oh you giant, misleading Leftist JACKASS TROLL. Everybody point and laugh at the Leftist TROLL. The (hem hem, hem) ahh National… Reveiw… IS A FAR-LEFT RAG. It hasn’t been the bastion of Conservative thought and classical Liberalism in DECADES. At least not since the end of the GHWB 41 Administration. And, oh yes, look who is a contributor to National Review: Jonah Goldberg. The once respected paper beclowns itself by having become a Leftist RAG that couldn’t make a principled argument about Trump as a candidate, because they couldn’t look past the “accusation” against him (whatever du Jour it was) and simply saw ANY accusation as “disqualifying” and stuck up their collective noses in disgust. FUCK THEM.

    William F. Buckley, Jr. is rolling over in his grave so fast now that I’m surprised his coffin hasn’t caught FIRE from the friction.


 
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Milhouse | March 27, 2025 at 2:38 am

Also, don’t forget that former President Barack Obama killed an American citizen and his teenage son with drones.

Anwar al-Awlaki was a terrorist. He was also an American citizen. No matter where you are and what you’re accused of, you deserve due process if you are a citizen of America. You are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

That is bullshit. Enemy soldiers at war with the USA are not entitled to due process. War can’t be fought that way, and it never has been. When we shoot or bomb the enemy that is not a criminal penalty, it’s an act of war, so the whole concept of due process doesn’t apply.

The fact that he was a US citizen is irrelevant. We have never in our entire history distinguished between enemy soldiers based on what passports they held.

Even if you’re okay with the al-Awlaki killing, the drone also killed his teenage son.

And the bombs we dropped on German targets in WW2 also killed civilians. So did the bombs we dropped in Vietnam, Iraq, and everywhere else. And if a Redcoat had his teenage son on the battlefield and he got in the way of a bullet, he would have been killed just as dead.

So if you weren’t outraged over that, don’t freak out about the Signal messages. What kind of nonsense is that? There is no comparison at all between the two cases. This isn’t about some injustice allegedly done to an enemy. On the contrary, the offense is against our own forces. Loose lips sink ships, and if Goldberg hadn’t been as ethical as he is he could have published what he read, and thus warned the Houthis. An NYT reporter would probably have done just that.

No one in this case is shedding tears for the poor Houthis. It’s more like when Bill Clinton’s people tipped someone off that we were about to strike an al Qaeda base, and as a result bin Laden cleared out and we hit empty tents.


 
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tjv1156 | March 27, 2025 at 6:05 am

OF all of Orange HArvey’s appointments , the worst was that greaseball Hegseth. Sounds like he violated the golden rule of the internet. Never chat while under the influence. LAFFRIOT
Well he got caught and his first response was classic
TRUMP. . Lie about and blame the media or deep state or Democrats.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/hegseth-responds/
Do not get misled by the idea that by somehow not attaching a PDF stamped “Classified Top Secret,” Hegseth didn’t do anything wrong here. Hegseth’s texts were born classified the moment he wrote them. This information by its very existence and by its definition was classified the moment Hegseth started tapping on his iPhone.
Hegseth concluded his messages by assuring his senior Trump administration colleagues, “We are currently clean on OPSEC” — i.e., operational security, which was, shall we say, very much not the case.

The defense secretary’s excuses are facially absurd.”

{{{ INSERT PIC OF TRUMP AND HEGSETH IN CLOWN OUTFITS}}


 
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Just Al | March 27, 2025 at 9:07 am

It seems the entire chat thread has now been released save one comment that mentioned the name of a CIA employee who is not under cover. There’s nothing to this other than the very odd inclusion of the reporter on the chat.


 
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tjv1156 | March 28, 2025 at 5:41 pm

More than two days into the “Signal text scandal”, Trump was asked if Sec Def Hegseth should resign. He replied, “Hegseth? How do you bring Hegseth into it? He had nothing to do with it.”
Dementia

?
Tolddddddd ya.

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