Here we go. Donald Trump and Kamala Harris debate in Philadelphia at 9 PM ET.
Have fun.
Goldman Sachs approves of Kamala Harris’s plan? Not sure if that is something I’d be boasting about. #Debate2024
— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) September 11, 2024
She just brought up Project 2025. 😂😂 #TrumpHarrisDebate
— Kira (@RealKiraDavis) September 11, 2024
Moderator makes sure to debate with Trump over partial birth abortion. In case you thought he was just debating Kamala. #TrumpHarrisDebate
— Kira (@RealKiraDavis) September 11, 2024
BREAKING: Tomorrow is the 23rd anniversary of 9/11, and Kamala Harris just said January 6th was worse
Thousands of people were murdered on that day, and only Trump supporters were shot or beaten on J6
She's truly sick!
pic.twitter.com/oWFcz8Vy6z— George (@BehizyTweets) September 11, 2024
It would be easier to attack Trump’s dumb tariffs if Biden hadn’t kept so many of them in place lol
— Ben Dreyfuss (@bendreyfuss) September 11, 2024
Kamala Harris was just asked why she and Biden kept the Trump Tariffs in place.
She dodged the question.
— Alex Bruesewitz 🇺🇸 (@alexbruesewitz) September 11, 2024
Here is the video journos say does not exist. Straight from Ralph Northam. pic.twitter.com/f0zo172u61 https://t.co/EwIsyHfF1g
— Comfortably Smug (@ComfortablySmug) January 24, 2020
This pose is so contrived. Can you imagine her advisors’ telling her “just put your hand on your chin occasionally and look smart and inquisitive.” pic.twitter.com/9uoK6MHQ1D
— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) September 11, 2024
REMINDER: ALL 50 STATES HAVE LAWS PROTECTING THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER!
— Kristan Hawkins (@KristanHawkins) September 11, 2024
Surprising (is it?) that ABC News moderator fact checks Trump in real time on abortion while letting Kamala slide on her economic representations that are utterly hogwash.
— Josh Holmes (@HolmesJosh) September 11, 2024
ABC definitely putting their thumbs on scale. I’m not sure it’s enough though
— Lawrence Jones III (@LawrenceBJones3) September 11, 2024
This was a non-answer world salad. pic.twitter.com/0riqKhzOAp
— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) September 11, 2024
It’s true.
Tim Walz not only believes in abortion at all stages of a pregnancy, but even after birth.
Walz accidentally voted in favor of HR4712, which provided medical care to babies who survived abortion—but then REVERSED his vote.
Here is his PE that changed his vote: pic.twitter.com/oU2IvYxA0B
— Dustin Grage (@GrageDustin) September 11, 2024
And of course the @ABC hack is challenging him. Note they never challenge Que Mala.
— Fuzzy Slippers (@fuzislippers) September 11, 2024
The fact check only goes one way
— Lawrence Jones III (@LawrenceBJones3) September 11, 2024
Trump said the Biden-Harris administration didn’t fire one person over Afghanistan.
— The Calvin Coolidge Project (@TheCalvinCooli1) September 11, 2024
ABC moderator live fact-checked Trump on legality of post-birth abortion
Took a pass when Kamala referenced “Trump’s Project 2025,” which is objectively false. Why?
— Brent Scher (@BrentScher) September 11, 2024
The absolute gall of ABC to keep “fact checking” ONLY Trump while letting her lie in every answer is infuriating.
— Megyn Kelly (@megynkelly) September 11, 2024
The reason why VP Harris has the support of 200 Republicans is that these establishment Republicans are closer to her views than to President Trump’s. They exemplify what I’ve called the “uniparty.” Trump is running against the establishment, and that’s why they hate him.…
— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) September 11, 2024
ANOTHER “fact check”
— Lawrence Jones III (@LawrenceBJones3) September 11, 2024
It’s incredible how the ABC moderators are fact checking Trump non-stop but refuse to do the same for Kamala Harris.
She’s lied, a lot.
Not a single fact check.
— Dustin Grage (@GrageDustin) September 11, 2024
ABC has made this a 4 vs 1 debate
This is the only way they can get Kamala elected
— Comfortably Smug (@ComfortablySmug) September 11, 2024
What do you think of the visuals of this, with Trump plowing straight ahead and Harris employing a variety of facial expressions as she listens to him?
— Byron York (@ByronYork) September 11, 2024
Kamala Harris made those facial expressions during every Senate hearing.
Not sure why none of her debate prep coaches told her to stop that. #Debate2024 pic.twitter.com/quKSghmWGH
— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) September 11, 2024
Trump called Kamala out on interrupting him. pic.twitter.com/QodzE8rckA
— Pradheep J. Shanker, M.D. (@neoavatara) September 11, 2024
Trump was smart to pivot away from J6.
He avoided the trap.
He's talking about the economy, crime, and stuff people actually care about.
Smart move. pic.twitter.com/VyPASlVbjw
— Jeff Charles, Doni's St. Bernard🏴 (@jeffcharlesjr) September 11, 2024
And now Kamala is repeating the Charlottesville lie. Unreal. She really is Joe Biden 2.0!
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) September 11, 2024
Are they going to fact check “fine people” lie???
— Lawrence Jones III (@LawrenceBJones3) September 11, 2024
At this point, Trump is debating Kamala Harris and David Muir.
I'm absolutely shocked.#Debate2024
— Jeff Charles, Doni's St. Bernard🏴 (@jeffcharlesjr) September 11, 2024
Trump is the only one in this debate who is acknowledging the issues that voters care about.
Economy. Border.
The media will foam over January 6th and election. But how is Kamala convincing swing voters tonight she is a change agent on those issues?
— Andrew Clark (@AndrewHClark) September 11, 2024
“Journalism!” https://t.co/o7Df5vmRMn
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) September 11, 2024
It's clear that Harris and ABC's strategy was to push Trump's buttons. He needs to stop taking the bait.
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) September 11, 2024
Kamala Harris has yet to be fact-checked a single time.
— Jeremy Boreing (@JeremyDBoreing) September 11, 2024
You might think Trump is talking too much but he’s giving information that Kamala viewers have never heard and will not hear again unless they dump the msm. He’s saying some
Truths some voters have never heard.— Kira (@RealKiraDavis) September 11, 2024
Pretty much. pic.twitter.com/vjTSNGIVTt
— Kristan Hawkins (@KristanHawkins) September 11, 2024
We are watching – in real time – what the formal merger of the state and media looks like.
— Chris Stigall (@ChrisStigall) September 11, 2024
This is the only debate Kamala will do. They learned from Trump crushing Joe Biden and made sure to have moderators protect her.
— Comfortably Smug (@ComfortablySmug) September 11, 2024
Muir: do you want Ukraine to lose?
Trump: I want to save lives.
— The Redheaded libertarian (@TRHLofficial) September 11, 2024
President Trump is right: what's in our best interest is for the killing to stop.
Kamala Harris's incompetence will lead us into World War 3.
— JD Vance (@JDVance) September 11, 2024
Kamala Harris was very clearly and directly asked: Are the American people better off now than they were 4 years ago? She could not say yes because the answer is no — the American people are worse off today because of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden’s policies.
— Tulsi Gabbard 🌺 (@TulsiGabbard) September 11, 2024
Trump is telling the truth. Harris was sent over to Europe to de-escalate the situation. She gave an interview claiming that threats of sanctions would prevent the war.
Then Putin invaded days later.
— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) September 11, 2024
No. Kamala did NOT get the questions in advance.
She got the answers.
They said: “Say X about any immigration question, say Y about any crime question, say Z about any abortion question.
“The questions don’t matter, just use these sound bites.
“These are our moderators.”
— Ron Coleman (@RonColeman) September 11, 2024
Kamala has been VP for 3.5 years.
She talks about a plan? We've lived under her economic plans, and prices are up over 20% and real wages are down almost 4%.
Now she wants to add bread lines to her record of fueling inflation by instituting Soviet-style price controls.
— Tommy Pigott (@TommyPigott) September 11, 2024
🔥 TRUMP: "She has a plan – to defund the police, [to] confiscate everybody's guns, [to] not allow fracking in Pennsylvania or anywhere else. That's what her plan is – until just recently." pic.twitter.com/L7hI5KHrt4
— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) September 11, 2024
Don't believe her lies. Kamala Harris supports abolishing private health insurance. #ABCDebate
CNN: Harris backs ‘Medicare-for-all’ and eliminating private insurance as we know ithttps://t.co/wJGTd74XSp
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) September 11, 2024
KH: we’re not taking anyone’s guns away.
Truth: She is literally on camera saying she supports a mandatory buy-back program— Megyn Kelly (@megynkelly) September 11, 2024
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“Before mass leaders seize the power to fit reality to their lies, their propaganda is marked by its extreme contempt for facts as such, for in their opinion fact depends entirely on the power of man who can fabricate it.”
This is a quote from Hannah Arendt on totalitarianism. The Democrats are totalitarians and have declared war on reality and facts. If they win, history shows us what happens.
Sorry for jumping the line but I wanted to post this Megyn Kelly video from last night’s post-debate discussion
“Megyn Kelly begins the post-debate show by explaining why she’s disgusted by the terrible performance of the ABC debate moderators, how they showed their bias…”
https://www.youtube.com/live/5cft5c6mE8k?si=wF7ktEwHaQsJHHam
It will be 3 against 1
As usual
After she gave her first answer and Trump was invited to give his response, I instantly thought of Dan Aykroyd, “Jane, you ignorant slut!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0hUQH53TFs
https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C5612AQGLnpiIEJ-T2A/article-cover_image-shrink_720_1280/0/1520221453065?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=zQfXTzskA-PjGH1ytOVQgfCyk2v3PExP_oKl9Ub6PDM
YES, perfect!!!
I miss when SNL was funny
The scene from the debate we all want to see. https://x.com/i/status/1832956697272324135
Oh, and just in case some people have delusions that this debate will be fair in the slightest, one of the moderators literally introduced Harris to her husband and has been described as ‘one of her best friends’ in the past.
I was in error, its not a moderator, its one of the head executives, Walden.
I believe the person you’re referencing – Dana Walden – is actually the Co-Chairman of Disney Entertainment…essentially the boss, of the boss, of the boss of everyone on that stage who’s not Harris or Trump. So, even worse, IMO.
There is no doubt she got those questions in advance to study.
Harris’s last two commercials are off-outting and gross, especially the one with Obama. Shows what they obsess over.
Avoidance of the first question and pandering.
And smirking- ugh!
Not a good look .
She did it because she knew the moderators were going to allow her to do it.
1. Coin toss? No crowd l? Lame.
2. DJT opens with ‘I have no sales tax. ‘. Ugh. What’s wrong with “My fellow Americans”?
First lie of the evening from one of the moderators, in addition the moderators should be letting them debate not joining in.
The best way to bias is in what questions they choose. For a moment I thought they would spend an hour on abortion.
‘eating the dogs’ and we have our sound byte for 2024.
That was a very stupid idea by Trump, police have already refuted the claims. He had a very good case for what was done in Springfield why does he have to go for the most extreme claim he could find instead of the most credible? Devastated economy with a rising crime rate is a horrible thing without the pet lore.
So, Springfield Ohio residents are liars.
MSM is not.
So, Town leaders, who don’t want to lose residents or tourist $$ are telling the truth.
We got it.
You can tell how effective the Haitans Eating Cats info has been from how all of the leftists are frantically trying to damage control it.
Danny the leftist shill and eternal Trump hater has posted at least 4 times on this page trying to deflect from this and outright lying how its been ‘refuted’ (pro tip – the full 911 call reporting it was already leaked). No other topic comes close.
That tells you how terrified the leftists are of this live grenade.
There is no 911 call about Haitians eating cats, or any other pets. There is one call, from someone who claimed to have seen four Haitians in a car, each carrying a goose. Even if true, so what? Why should people not be carrying geese? What indication is there of them being stolen, let alone pets? They were probably feral geese that belong to no one, or if they did come from a farm the people may have bought them. They may even have been coming from a butcher for all any of us know, including the caller.
What kind of person calls 911 about such a thing anyway? If you saw someone in a car carrying a chicken, would you suspect a crime?!
There is a picture tonight of a Haitian carrying two dead geese, down the street.
No, there is not. There is a photo of one person carrying one goose in Columbus, not Springfield. The odds are overwhelming that the person is 100% American, and that the goose was roadkill. The photographer himself has openly said all this on multiple occasions, and is shocked at the lies being told about it.
Also, who has pet geese?! Geese are pests, not pets, so if someone were killing and eating them, more power to them.
Personally I’d be worried about city geese being infested with parasites and full of pollutants, but if someone isn’t worried about that, let them eat as many as they like. Likewise pigeons and other urban pest species.
So the residents are all lying and the town manager, whose job it is to protect the reputation of the town, and a debate moderator who is a journalist because he’s not intelligent enough to hold a real job, are the only ones who *really* know what’s going on?
There are no residents claiming first-hand knowledge of immigrants killing and eating pets. Not one. And the police say positively that it is not happening. So yes, any resident who claims it’s happening is repeating paranoid rumors and has no credibility.
Trump is having to debate Harris and mods. Insanely biased comments from them.
Yup. Letting the 2025 lie slide twice so far. Now, Trump is debating the moderator while the whore stands there and smirks.
Did you honestly expect anything else? Anybody that did needs to have their head examined.
An awful lot of supposed conservatives seem to think that just because they played fair on the Biden debate, it meant that all of their previous rabid bias magically disappeared into the aether.
They played fair on the Biden debate because they wanted Biden gone. Now they want Kamala to win the election. They have always been far left cheerleaders, and will always be far left cheerleaders.
They didn’t correct her because they feel it’s true. It doesn’t matter that it’s a lie, it just feels right to them so in their tiny little lizard brains, it becomes true.
The moderators have entered the debate to help Harris. Shock, shock.
Abortion conversation is over if Trump just answers yes he would veto, he said he wants it to be up to the states in the question it really is stupid that he danced around the question.
No, the abortion issue has been decoupled from the presidency by the SCOTUS decision.
Shockingly the moderators actually moved on from abortion.
More time spent on abortion than economy.
Because leftists murdering babies for free is more important than the economy. Perhaps we can use dead baby parts to fuel vehicles.
The AWFLs are awful. They want their any-time blameless responsibilityless abortions, and the Democrats are more than willing to pander to them.
Anyone notice if Kamala is being given more time or is she just that insufferable that it feels like an eternity to listen to her?
We’ve been bingeing on Seinfeld and if you can recall the episode where Newman has flees and trying not to itch… that’s Kumella trying not to cackle. I think she made it 35 minutes.
Turned off. At this point in the debate Trump is debating against 3 opponents..
We are going to be forced to listen to her, when they install her into the empty White House.
Trump is chasing rabbits…..the pets claim is just untrue he could have hit a homerun instead just by leaving the claim illegals are eating pets out.
And Danny can do better job. Got it.
You are wrong about the pet claim and he was correct but that will not make the papers.
You probably should remember to take the pussy hat off before posting here.
“The people on television” Please stop chasing rabbits Mr. President, you have a perfectly good target why are you handing the debate to Kamala?
He is debating Kamala AND the ABC moderators.
Each moderator had now stepped into fact checking one now. Not there job.
I am dreading Trump’s reaction to Kamala’s current taunting.
She looks terrible, though. She’s sighing, smirking, shrugging, rolling her eyes, and flopping around putting her hand on her face. She is very unlikable, and this makes her even more so. Who acts like that? Is that behavior PRESIDENTIAL, Danny?
I couldn’t agree more. I was worried mainly because it is a 3 vs 1 and I started thinking of it as Trump vs Moderators who are calm and collected in debating Trump and forgot his opponent was the harpy.
She appears to be suffering GERD or is having bladder spasms.
I doubt most people saw any of that because you had to actually watch to see it. Debates are mostly about listening, and you can prepare and eat dinner while listening. That is what I was doing, and she sounded good.
No idea how this is playing to less-partisan undecided/swing voters. But, I honestly can’t remember a worse panel of ‘moderators’ for any presidential debate. It’s like they showed them the tape of Gwen Ifil and Candy Crowley and said to them: Like that, only way worse.
At this point I am able to see only anger in Trump, this is not a good look for him. He really needed to try for presidential.
Would you be able to handle the whole progressive party, including the 3 letter agencies, and the media lying to you and about you for 10 years??? Wouldn’t YOU be pissed off if they were trying to put you in prison for things people who were never President did, and got away with that were worse??? Wouldn’t you be pissed off if the FBI tried to set you up for a fall, and you proved them to be liars?? Wouldn’t you be pissed if all these people wanted you dead, and just tried to assassinate you??? I would like to see how YOU would act under similiar circumstances.
No one is saying he’s not justified in reacting badly to all that, but it doesn’t look good.
So justified anger looks worse than gussied up, smarmy lying?
I guess this is what we have come to.
I’m not sure what you mean by “gussied up” in this context, but I’m pretty sure I know what “smarmy” means, and her lies were not that, and the moderators’ were certainly not. She’s not the accomplished liar that Biden was in his prime, but her lies, and more so theirs, were delivered with absolute conviction, and that goes a long way to being convincing.
they need to put the question on the screen. the responses have nothing to do with the question asked.
Finally a true homerun by Trump, answering about Jan 6th never discuss what matters like illegal immigration. If asked again he should pivot back to fracking, and just keep doing that till the night ends.
Trump is coming back.
She brought up the Charlottesville lie!
On purpose to mislead the low info voters.
For once he did respond with facts but the old saying, “When you are explaining, you are losing” seems to be in play.
And both moderators were wearing their “grave and serious” expressions even though both have been told it is a lie. They don’t care and they won’t correct Kween Kamala.
We’ve gone through two segments that should have been dreadful for Harris – the Economy & Immigration – and Harris manged to make it largely unscathed. The reality is Trump is not a great extemporaneous speaker. He’s a big idea guy, not someone who can pick apart counter-arguments in a compelling, granular way. Harris has been pathetic, ignoring the questions and lying her as off. But, she’s helped by the mods. I wouldn’t say she’s winning. But, she’s doing exponentially better than Biden did, obviously. She managed to get Trump off-balance and on defense with some very predictable jabs. Not sure any side is helped thus far. But, Harris hasn’t damaged herself either.
He should have done better but he at least got some good points in.
Trump needed Harris to implode. She didn’t. Not good.
She was protected by the moderators.
Second home run of the night by Trump, the old Trump is coming back to life, he is turning into the old more happy Trump which is hopefully now enough to win the debate.
What on Earth are you talking about?
These moderators are doing what they’re paid to do.
Trump should be discussing current issues whenever they bring up 2020 because there is no way for him to win on that.
Reluctantly agree. If brought up, don’t back down: defend position and Quickly move on. So many missed opportunities. Abraham accords v. Kumala buddies w terror hamas and all the other miscreants. Bottom line though, this not change much nor hurt too much. Gut feeling. Republic already in dire straits. Good luck, time, states involvement, and Divine providence will get us back. But maybe not quickly.
I stopped watching. ABC is doing their best to see “Democracy is safe from Trump”
The mods are repeating Hamas casualties figures now. Good times.
I’m going back to work now and will catch the talking heads on replay. didn’t lose the election in the first hour; he will always be Trump.
Please pardon me, but it seems to me that che Kamala looked like she had to pee really badly.
I don’t know if it will matter in three days much less 60-days. But, the betting markets have now moved back to Harris. The normies – or at least the betting Normies – think that Harris is winning….and that’s probably correct. Trump has been undisciplined and Trumpy. His lack of preparation is obvious and even if he had, it likely wouldn’t have mattered. He’s very predictable in these things and with the moderator’s help, Harris has been able to successfully bait him several times.
Meh, he is Trump being Trump.
I see no way he does not win, despite any debate performance.
The left lost when they shuffled Joe into a corner after telling us to not believe our eyes, that he was sharp as a tack and fit as a fiddle.
Betting markets have not been kind to Trump over the last hour. As I said, maybe it’s not enduring. But, for the moment, the betters believe he lost with Harris moving up to $.56 as of this writing.
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election
Betting markets are as fickle as national polls. It’s like the weather. If you don’t like what you see, tomorrow will be different. If you like what you see, tomorrow will be different.
PredictIt is a joke. They have a very low maximum limit, under $1000 per person, and very odd fees and rules which ensures anybody serious about making money doesn’t participate. The entire reason people look at betting sites like Polymarket over polls these days is to see what people with actual, real skin in the game think is happening.
And lo and behold, they’ve been claiming she’s been ‘winning’ this entire time, the only betting market that has not had Trump up after the convention. Every other betting outlet had him in the lead by various amounts, but they all agreed he was in the lead.
I really wish I could think of a reason you are wrong, and really wish I did not see what I just saw.
What is amazing to me is the downvotes you got. Did these downvoters not see the same “Debate” we saw? Trump had so many opportunities to trounce her with data and facts but had none. He repeated himself over and over when what he said was not important. I don’t believe he ever answered one single question asked. She did with lies but she had answers. This was an example of him not preparing and his enormous ego getting in his way. I just hope we can hang on and win in Nov.
Because it was an easily identifiable LIE.
The ‘betting markets’ have shown no such thing. Trump has been in the lead for some time now. The only time Harris was in the lead was directly after the convention. Every single major betting outlet favored Trump.
How about we give it 24 hours to see the results instead of saying something that hasn’t had time to be discussed around the country. Trump did a poor job and no amount of cheering is going to change it. He had so many opportunities to call her lies out but didn’t. I think he answered about ten questions that the border is out of control.
He made a statement that was a lie, and he was rightly called out by the downvotes you were whining about. So no, we aren’t ‘going to give it 24 hours’. It was a lie, and its still a lie.
At some point, the market may move back to Harris. And back to Trump. And back to Harris. The election is almost 2 months away.
But given his statement was they had ALREADY moved to Harris, and not a single major betting market had, it would still be a lie.
Good Lord, get out of your bubble.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/09/11/harris-surges-past-trump-in-election-betting-markets-after-presidential-debate/
Well, PredictIt technically did, but nobody takes them seriously with their weird rules and the fact that they effectively exclude anybody actually trying to make money with their less than $1000 maximum bet limit.
The day before the debate the RCP average was 52% Trump – 46% Harris, and PredictIt was the only market that still had Harris up over Trump.
So it would still be a lie because if PredictIt had always had Harris up, then it couldn’t move back to her.
Dude, I posted a link to the betting market. Here’s another one, not quite as bad for Trump but he’s dropped 3-points and she’s climbed 4-points giving the race a 7-point swing, which doesn’t seem likely if they thought Trump ‘won’ the debate…
https://polymarket.com/elections
You posted a link to a market that had her in the lead the entire time, claiming that it ‘shifted back to her’. Which was a lie, and is still a lie. By definition, a market that had her in the lead and still has her in the lead is has not ‘shifted’ or ‘moved’. And when you posted the original post, in fact it was the ONLY market that claimed she was in the lead – I checked.
Yes, now many of the markets have shifted to her over Trump. No, that doesn’t mean your post wasn’t, and still isn’t, a lie.
Lol. You’re a retard.
Not sure you should be using phrases like ‘easily identifiable LIE,’ when the OP is clearly correct. There are a number of stories out this morning about the shift in the betting markets. Worse yet, Trump media is also down in overnight trading. Objectively, it was not a good debate for Trump, pretending otherwise doesn’t do anyone any good. Maybe the betting markets rebound for Trump in the near-term. But, to pretend they haven’t moved towards Harris since the debate ended is folly.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-media-slumps-harris-victory-odds-rise-after-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/
He was not clearly correct. And the entire reason he got downvoted because it WAS a lie. These posts have time stamps. Every major market except PredictIt still had Trump in the lead when he posted – and that one, which he seems to have hung his hat on, had bee claiming Harris in the lead this entire time, literally not one day has Harris been in the lead on PredictIt, despite the fact that Trump has been up almost 10 points in the aggregate betting markets previously. PredictIt has always been an extreme outlier among the betting markets because it goes out of its way to exclude people trying to make money.
He claimed ‘the betting markets moved back to Harris’. They had done no such thing when he posted. The one market that had her in the lead, had not moved, they had her in the lead the whole time.
The fact that they NOW have shifted doesn’t make the original post less of a lie. Which is why he got all the downvotes.
And also, a bunch of them like Polymarket have now moved back to Trump.
Good thing the average person is not watching the debate and had no idea there was even one last night. That thing will not impact anything.
In the first couple minutes Trump was losing. Harris does fresh new lies and Trump spends his time denying stuff she’s moved on past.
It’s a performance for viewers, not thinkers, the Harris team realized.
Giant opening for Trump Kamala is defending the Afghan Withdrawal policy.
The Taliban took over Afghanistan as a result of decisions by Biden which Kamala said she supported at the start of her answer, he really needs to hit the homerun again
Nice pivot away from the horseshit race question. The CP5 are totally guilty though.
It will be interested to see how the debate moderators are viewed by the Indies tonight. They’ve been so laughably partisan, it may backfire on them. I think Harris’ #1 goal was to not shit the bed like Biden did. Had it not been for moderators, she may not have met that goal. But, they wouldn’t allow her to fail. Trump probably didn’t hurt himself in an enduring way. But, he left a LOT of meat on a bone that would have been picked clean by Vance, Vivek, DeSantis & Youngkin…among others.
I agree with everything you just said.
I hope you are correct that it may not have hurt him but his performance was terrible. He looked like the old man who needs to retire. I know that isn’t who he is but this debate may cause him some problems.
They were so over the top and in your face that even my normie friends noticed. It was quite stupid of them, as well, they missed a couple of easy layups where they could have pretended to fact-check Harris on things that even the far left has acknowledged was a lie like the Very Fine People nonsense, to at least try and keep some thin veneer of balance. They wouldn’t need to argue with her or attack her, just say, “Snopes admitted that was a lie and that was not what Trump had said”, and move on.
Instead they exposed themselves for the partisans they have always been, but I do think that it woke up some people. I don’t think they fact checked Harris one single time the entire debate, and people noticed.
Considering the extreme bias and the short angry period mid-stream, Trump did okay and finished on a strong note, especially as she descended into word salads and feelings.
Yeah, no. He did not do okay. He bombed. She won. It’s horrific.
The only upside I can see is that she will be willing (now that she buried Trump) to a second debate. If so, and I hope very much so, Trump needs to pull his crap together and win. He CAN, but he . . . just didn’t. I’m in shock at how bad this went.
FYI…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/09/10/harris-campaign-wants-second-presidential-debate-with-trump/
That was yesterday. Today, there is no reason at all for her to agree to a second debate. Trump wouldn’t if their circumstances were reversed, and we’d all be cheering that decision.
Drudge is reporting that Harris wants another
Oh, I hope so!
Make up your mind. Yeah, no? You may be surprised how normal people react once the talking heads do their thing. Not to mention the substance, which she failed to address with her “performance.” Did not say Trump did great, but he had some strong points as well.
I believe his problem is his rallies. He is adored there and everyone there loves him and his horrible speeches. This gives him a sense that he is great and can say no wrong. I cannot watch his rally speeches and can only watch what he said when the entire speech has been reduced to the valuable things he said. I simply could not believe his response to his crowd size! That was like chum to a shark and so predictable.
So awful, so cringe. I really am just floored by how unprepared he was for her attacks. Who is his debate prep team? How did they miss this stuff? And why can’t Trump pull it together for a freaking hour and a half?!
Still stunned. It will seem less awful tomorrow, I hope.
I don’t think he had any prep from the answers he gave. She was lying there belly up for him to gut her but he got stuck on old stuff that no one cares about any longer. 2020 is long gone and 2024 is now. On one hand, he could have refuted all of her lies by just pointing out her positions on the issues she mentioned. He could have asked her how she was going to pay for all of the goodies she proposed but didn’t. He had so many opportunities but missed them all. But there is no doubt who will make the best POTUS and we all know it.
He doesn’t prepare. That’s the problem. She laid the perfect trap… questioned his rallies, said the were boring and that people left. It was obvious baiting and he fell for it, hook, line and sinker. It was embarrassing and it knocked him off balance.
They finally got to immigration. His best issue, her worst. It was time to drop the hammer. Talk about crime, the rapes, the murders, the economic devastation, the impact on blue and red cities and states. It was all teed up for him and what does he do… he repeats a stupid rumor about pets being eaten.
Maybe the lowest point in any presidential debate I have ever seen. Just jaw dropping stupidity.
Trump simply cannot debate. His mind does not work like ours and seems to be stuck in the past.
Yeah, a horrible showing here. Disappointing, to say the least.
I mean Que Mala won this debate. I’m still reeling.
I am still reeling that Trump took bait on crowd sizes. That was a gut punch to me.
He fell for every trope she threw out. Instead of using facts and data, he resorted to his rally BS and that doesn’t work in a debate.
He’s so undisciplined and ego-driven that he couldn’t help himself. I just found the whole thing horrendous. Komrade Kackles Kamala actually bested Trump in a debate. I so did not have that on my bingo card and am, frankly, still reeling.
Maybe once it all sinks in, I’ll see an upside. But right now. Ugh.
That was the point where it all spiraled down. He baited him and he fell for it.
Embarrassing, pathetic, disgraceful.
The only hope from this debacle is that many voters know how badly she lied and how ABC didn’t bother to fact check on any of them. “Blood Bath”, “Fine people on both sides”. “Go to the Capital peacefully and patriotically”, “Project 25”, a national anti-abortion committee, a lifetime of racism, weak and a dictator like Putin and Xi. Her lies were so obvious but not one kickback from her aides.
I’m not sure which debate you were watching, Fuzzy. Watch it again and you’ll see that Kamala was a mess. Most of what she said was stupid, wrong, or completely senseless.
“Most of what she said was stupid, wrong, or completely senseless.”
Channeling Harry Reid: “But the viewers swallowed it, didn’t they?”
Why would you think that? Because some leftist commentators said so?
I doubt anyone who watched that debate came away thinking that Kamala said much of anything sensible – not even her supporters, who only seem to be thrilled because they think she hit Trump with a few zingers.
The funny thing is, the better they think Kamala did n the debate, the more she will actually be pressured to do normal press conferences, interviews and town halls, because the idiot MSM will think that she is able to handle herself. That’ll be a hoot.
Apparently not, many polls have Trump “winning”, I wouldn’t expect CNN, ABC and such but many many others
People saw through
her, the gang banging, and President Trumps honesty and love for this once great Country
Warts and all
Gives me hope
I don’t think you understand the people who are going to vote for her. They do not know that she was lying or BSing. She looked polished and informed, although she actually said nothing while she talked, and Trump said the same old lines he says at his rallies. No one ever pushes back at his rallies so he has no experience answering tough questions.
Trump does more than just rallies. He does town halls, interviews, and lopsided debates. He is VERY used to answering tough questions. Basically, that’s all he does when he interacts with the media – and he is used to giving almost daily press conferences entertaining any and all questions by people who hate his guts and want nothing else but to tear him and his policies apart.
Trump started the free-wheeling COVID press conferences, answering any and all questions, and they were such a success that Andrew Cuomo unashamedly tried to copy Trump (and he and the press made pretend that Cuomo thought up the idea all on his own – LOL).
She admitted that she was a prosecutor, then said she asked her clients how they were feeling. She was a prosecutor, she had no clients.
Trump does terrible in debates
I wasnt looking forward to this, but maybe be needed to prepare more, he had to know she had the questions and they were going to gang up on him
I don’t think he lost votes, but he didn’t gain any
For the first time in history, I have to agree with you. He looked almost as bad as Biden in the last debate, in which Trump didn’t need to reply to any questions. Harris lied in every sentence but he kept his cool but his answers were so bad that he may have cost himself a few votes.
First time in history, then I must know you are not a Trump supporter in reality
Oh shut up, gonzo. Your bizarre purity Trump supporting tests are tedious and stupid. Trump doesn’t give a crap about you and never will. My Trump vote is just as good as yours. Get over this crazy impetus to be the bestest best Trump supporter of all time. You have one vote, just like me . . . and they matter zero much since you are voting in Texas and I am voting in Florida. Trump will win both of our states. Your crazy cult crap about who is the “true” Trump believer is bizarre and off-putting, so stop it.
Wow, shut up Gonzo
Your special
There you go gonzo, never let a compliment go to waste. I had to listen to your tripe about De Santis to the point that you made me sick. Now, you are seeing that Trump isn’t perfect and has warts like all men/women. Should we say that you are not a real Trumper?
Oh. I almost missed the one , two punch
Bless your heart
Trump is the anti-politician, doing everything wrong in the debates is part of his ethos, both in 2016 and 2020.
I don’t know if I was watching a different debate, but the one I watched was definitely NOT won by Que Mala.
The little c conservatives were saying the same thing after the Biden debate and were whining about how badly Trump did then too 😂😂
She was all emotion and obfuscation. Thus, she appealed magnificently to her target audience and will easily win in November.
Joy is going to hit us hard and heavy.
Her target audience will vote for a cock flavoured lollipop if it had a D after it.
That is a given.
What won’t win her the election are the undecideds who will not be voting for her after this performance, and it was nothing more than a performance as they at least understand that they know nothing more about her policies after this debate.
Her Abortion spiel certainly moved undecideds into her column in NC and GA – two states that still have early abortion bans.
The biggest opportunity Trump passed up was to run against the media, and contest their fact checking.
That would have been futile. All he did was to state the facts, get the truth out on the airwaves and move on.
Just arguing with the mods is a waste of time and he was far better off just saying what he had to say because now those facts are out in the wild.
People still capable of thinking for themselves will look at the mods performance and ask themselves that there probably is some substance to what Trump was saying for the mods to be THAT biased,
I’m sorry to say it but Trump is one lousy debater. I KNOW every one of you was screaming at the TV when he didn’t respond with facts to her obvious lies. I know you all had data that he should have thrown out about how bad she and Biden have been on many issues. I couldn’t believe how dumb he was in his responses to her lies or the lack of factual data to prove her lying. If I didn’t know anything about either of them, she won the debate. But of course, I know she lied through the entire thing and I pray to God that the public can see through her rehearsed lines and answers. On one question asked of her, she was already responding before the question was finished. It was a rehearsed performance but unfortunately, Mr. Ego decided not to practice and looked like an old man who was out of touch. All he had to do was ask her to explain why she changed her position on every single issue that is plaguing the American public today. I just hope common sense prevails and he wins but he better not agree to another debate.
Fuck off your sorry 😂😂
We got exactly what we expected from the mods and that was that.
People will now be looking at the mods performance and wondering why they worked so hard to protect the Democrat and the answers won’t be good for
Kamala, who is simply incapable of thinking for herself.
He bungled immigration. His best issue. Her worst.
He went to pets being eaten instead of 50 other proven negative impacts of illegal immigration. Pets being eaten!
Question is which of the journalists was worst the woman who was eagerly fighting for the Democrats or the man who was eagerly despising Trump?
There is that
It is the talk, not the debate so
Much as the moderators behavior
Well there is this
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/09/10/poll-donald-trump-up-14-points-with-independents-19-points-with-hispanics/
Won’t move the needle noticeably. Trump was not on the top of his game, (but he wasn’t too bad), and she overperformed—but everyone who follows politics pretty closely knows this was to be expected. The big difference—and the benefit of the muted mic—was she regurgitated all her memorized talking points without interruption—and gave them all an artificial, rehearsed, memorized vibe. Trump was a bit of a loose canon–but with that came authenticity and a little bit of understandable and relatable frustration.
For the people truly undecided and unpartisan—I believe they will see this as a subpar, but honest and sincere performance by Trump, and a polished but artificial performance by Harris.
Agree with this assessment. Undecideds may also notice the abc tilt that keeps them from Harris and who she really is.
My take. Who could sit across the table from any world leader and ensure the United States was on firm footing?
Now, who could do that with China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, or any of our other potential enemies?
Interestingly, the NEW YORK TIMES, of all places, disagrees. According to them, 6 out of 10 previously undecided voters said they were going to vote Trump or were leaning heavily to him, and only 3 out of 10 moved to Harris. (1 still unsure)
Some have more faith in people to see through the BS.
There is so much on Harris to reveal her incompetent policies and deception.
Hold on to your seats.
We already know what kind of leader she is. She has shown this to the world year after year (hint, it aint good).
Trump lost the debate before a single word was spoken,…Harris was smiling and looking confident, Trump looked like the kid awaiting his fate in the principal’s office,…scared and timid
LOL.
At least you have made clear that your assessment was reached “before a single word was spoken”. That’s how leftists do it.
Why can’t he give his opinion without being subjected to insults? Trump was not going to shake hands with her and it was obvious until she stuck her hand out and forced him to react. He simply was not prepared for her to attack him like she did. She was vulgar, obnoxious, and smirky but she was prepared and he wasn’t
Show me the alleged insult.
I pointed out that his conclusion was reached before it started, which is something that leftists like to do. Both are merely true statements.
Not sure where he got the idea that Kamala was looking confident .. but that’s his thing.
It was more a look of arrogance. he hand to the chin was pretend Obama, and the base was obvioulsy wetting their pants with excitement about what matters most, PERFORMANCE. Running America will be like a Broadway play, actors making life and death decisions. You are no one to listen to.
Komrade Kamala was awful. I got a kick out of watching CNN and MSNBC’s coverage after the debate and they are trying to pretend that Kamala was a killer. It was funny.
She sucked pretty awful. I did love the part where she was chanting “I HAVE A PLAN” over and over and over. I would make ads out of that.
And they are all trying to sell Trump as weak. LOL. Good luck with that.
Why didn’t Trump stop the debate and say “What is your plan and how will you pay for it?” A teenager could have done that but Trump didn’t.
in case you didn’t notice … Trump did not get to ask Kamala questions. He only got to suggest questions to the moderators – which they generally ignored.
Further, that is a silly question. She could not possibly answer it and would not even try or be forced to elucidate anything. You cannot ask general questions like that and expect anything.
Your claim that Trump (who did perfectly well in that debate) underperformed a random teenager is pretty silly. I mean, come on. Be a little serious.
Kamala gave lots of circular collections of nothing words. As people examine the tapes they’ll piece these out. Half the time it was clear that she didn’t have a clue as to what she was talking about. I thought it was really rich when she tried to claim she was going to one-up Trump on building houses and how she got all emotional about Ukraine and “sovereignty and the sanctity of national territory” [paraphrased by memory] As if …
51 million people watched the debate, many didn’t hang around for the entire time.
I left when ABC decided to fact check Trump, but not Harris.
Debates are not make or break events, since so few watch. They are not even debates at all. Just talking points and nonsense. To me, Trump was Trump and Harris was Harris. They were who I expected them to be, acting the way I expected them to act.
Biden’s demise was a one off, because it proved to the nation that he wasn’t all there. The democrats got spooked, and dumped him. Unceremoniously.
Harris survived, because she’s stupid, not brain dead like Biden.
Trump survived because he’s all bluster and bloviation.
If people haven’t figured out by now who they are voting for, then they will stick their wet finger to the wind to see which way it’s blowing.
Today is a non issue. As an independent, it didn’t make me want to change my vote for a cheap whore who hasn’t accomplished much in her life.
I have never put much stock in the “X people watched” nonsense. When you dig down into the data, its an absurdly low bar to be declared a ‘watcher’, something like watched 5 minutes of the debate at any point qualifies you as a “Watcher”. IMHO, to be counted as a watcher should require watching at least 30% of the length – long enough to reasonably say you had seen enough.
And of course there is the secondary question of how many of these alleged watchers are actual US citizens of voting age. If 20 million people in Europe watched, nobody in the US cares.
Correct.
I watched on and off for less than 20 minutes, but I didn’t tune in until well past the start. It was on as background noise while I did other things.
Her nasal whine irked me.
Thanks for your support on the amount of “watchers.” Harris pays for people to attend her “rallies.” Apparently, she didn’t have enough $$ to pay people to tune into the debate.
Is Trump right? Does the loser want a rematch?
Yes but no.
The loser of the election is generally the one that wants a rematch the most, yes, if they think its their best chance to change the election. But it’s not perfect. If they think they’re going to win (and with the laughably biased moderators Kamala certainly has reason to think she can do better).
In terms of debates, the person that thinks they are losing the election wants the debates the most. Just look at that idiot Biden publicly challenging Trump.
She probably said to herself – “this is easy. I’ll put Trump away for sure next time.”
There are only two things people will remember about this debate (besides the bad “moderators”). 1) Trump’s hush moment 2) Trump’s closing remarks. That’s it.
No, the ONLY thing anyone will remember from this debate is that Haitians are eating dogs and cats in Ohio
And that my friend is a win for President Trump
I love how the moderators (and later MSM commentators) were so incredulous about that. In Israel they had that same problem when they started importing Thai workers to replace the arabs from the territories during the first intifada. The Thais would eat everything that walked or crawled or flew. Whole areas started being stripped of wildlife and pets of every sort, from dogs and cats to squirrels, birds, and insects. The Thai workers caught and ate EVERYTHING. You used to be able to see all of the animals and critters strung up in their little camps, all hanging on wires. There started to be a real problem with the loss of the natural wildlife in areas.
The fact that the leftists are trying to act as if Haitians eating up the surrounding animals is totally unbelievable is going to blow up in all of their faces. It highlights how they like to lie about the illegals just to force them on Americans. It is pretty sick and Americans are not going to take much more of this junk.
We already had the illegals that have been caught catching and eating eagles (for which there should have been a very special, merciless long-long term punishment for them). This isn’t much different but the leftists like to act as if it is unbelievable that Haitians would be chasing down animals in the street to eat. Clearly, none of these leftists have ever been to Haiti. Man, that is one unbelievably disgusting sh*thole.
Trump slamming down the absolutely legendary Uno Reverse and telling Harris ‘I’m speaking’ was the other viral moment.
No, Springfield OH!
They will remember Kamala’s abortion spiel about women bleeding out after a miscarriage, and it will move votes. – particularly in battleground states that have abortion restrictions. They will also remember migrants are eating dogs.
Kamala – “I was at the Capitol on Jan 6th”
Yeah … but she left early and was at the DNC when the fake pipe bomb was “discovered” … but she lied about having been there and never talks about it even though a pipe bomb, if it were true, would be the worst event of Jan 6 by MILES!!!! and if it were true would mean that she came within feet of being killed.
But it isn’t true because the Jan 6 pipe bombs were a hoax perpetrated by the feds and now the dems and the feds are trying to make pretend that the pipe bombs never even existed …while they still go after grannies who were invited into the Capitol by Capitol Police and walked around quietly for a few minutes.
Gee whiz, never thought agents of operation demoralize would show up here.
No one will change their mind because of a debate. We live in SpringerLand where the headline is greater than the message, and voters have had enough of Biden/Harris fuckups.
After watching the debate, I went to the beach for a walk and to collect my thoughts.
Here they are for whatever they are worth:
Trump defended well against the attacks on abortion, J6, race and Central Park 5, and Ukraine.
He hammered on the border illegal immigration and crime pretty well.
I think he could have done better on the economy but didn’t do poorly. I wish he would have brought up how illegal immigration will virtually destroy social security and Medicare but targeted ads can probably do much better and his campaign has the money to hit hard.
Obviously, ABC was all in to help Harris. I wish Trump would have told Muir that he doesn’t view him as an objective or knowledgeable source, but if he wants to debate get on stage.
I don’t know that either candidate moved the needle for undecided or independent voters. I found Harris’s facial expressions and attitude very unpresidential and quite frankly annoying. I suspect that is the first time many voters have had an extended exposure to Harris, and I doubt that many non-rabid Democrats were motivated to vote for her.
Aceofspadeshq
from Coulter on Muir:
“In March 2015, ABC news anchor David Muir
— moderator of tonight’s presidential debate — began the broadcast with a recap of the 2014 police shooting in Ferguson, MO the previous year:
“Ferguson, Missouri: An unarmed black man, Michael Brown, is shot to death. The officer is not indicted.”
And that was it: “The officer is not indicted.”
Muir failed to acknowledge that the whole “hands up, don’t shoot” scenario turned out to be a lie invented by Brown’s co-conspirator: ex-con, Dorian Johnson.
Muir made no mention of the fact that the officer, Darren Wilson, wasn’t indicted because he was fully exonerated in two separate investigations.
And Muir certainly neglected to report that Obama’s own DOJ had cleared Wilson of any wrongdoing, after a months-long, zealot-driven investigation by Attorney General Eric Holder.”
Posted by: illiniwek at September 11, 2024 12:04 AM (Cus5s)
If I could design the absolute worst Democratic nominee for POTUS, it would look an awful lot like Kamala Harris. In my scenario, this debate is irrelevant because the race isn’t close. But here we are.
What I did notice and find interesting is that in all of the post-debate polls I’ve seen of the alphabet networks, they seemed to have asked the question ‘who won the debate’ and not allowed ‘neither’ as an answer.
I just found that striking, almost like they thought that eliminating ‘neither’ as an answer would shove the polls towards Harris.
Because in a debate like this, it should be an option to answer there was no clear winner.
The amount of bed wetting from our little c conservatives is over the top, who did exactly the same thing in the lead up to the Biden debate and in the aftermath as well! 🤣
Look, what got exactly what was to be expected…and what was also to be expected is the extreme double standards from some of you little c conservatives 🤣
I mean come on people, if your measure of who won is based on Kamala only having to “not look bad” while she’s gurneying like a retarded fish out of water then maybe you need to step away from the vapours for your own sanity 🤣
Likewise, the same people are all about the “TRUMPS HAS TO ABSOLUTELY KILL THIS DEBATE OR THERE IS NO POINT IN VOTING IN NOVEMBER!!!” while completing ignoring the fact that Trump is really only debating against the moderators with the occasional word from the democrat.
These debates are for the die hard voters who will only ever vote Democrat regardless of the nominee. The debate, with the help from mods is to shore up Democrat support (that just doesnt exist in reality). And the mods did everything they could to protect Kamala.
However those who are undecided will see that Kamala is nothing more than a manufactured nominee, even more manufactured than Barry “Peace be upon him” Obama, installed by the Democrat ruling elites.
Everything about this woman is closely curated by the Democrat elites and media. She is protected by the democrat media and kept away from interviews where she may have to think for herself on the fly.
There is absolutely nothing authentic about her and this debate just reinforces that view.
She had to be protected by the moderators and people notice things like that.
Also the only thing trending on twitter this morning is the “does that sound familiar” quote 🤣🤣
As Ace said it more clearly, the Democrat media will proclaim Kamala the winner because all she had to do was not look bad (sound familiar) after the debate while the truth emerges over the following days about the lies, misinformation and avoidance from Kamala that eventually Trump will come out on top.
NeverTrumpers just can’t help but NeverTrump. Concern trolling seems to be their main ploy these days.
The point is he sucked. Missed opportunity after opportunity, especially on immigration.
And your mother dresses you funny 🤣
Interesting, that isn’t even true.
The New York Times itself has admitted that of the undecided voters they had for the debate, 6 moved to Trump, 3 moved to Kamala, and 1 remained undecided.
I also liked Kamala Harris’ claim about how her mother – the college professor – was such a hard worker and how she only managed to buy her first house when Kamala was a teenager. Well … seeing that Kamala and her family moved to Canada when she was 12 I have to assume that Kamala was talking about buying properties in Canada, which I don’t think any American would really care too much about. Kamala never seems to like to talk about the fact that she was raised in Canada from age 12 and actually graduated high school in Canada and first started going to college there. Sort of an odd trajectory for an American President … though Kamala is probably not actually eligible for the Presidency, because her parents likely didn’t naturalize as Americans until after she was born. Though, it’s hard to tell because they all love to hide important information like that.
But, in Kamala’s defense, I will say that being raised in Canada makes her much closer to America and Americanism than being raised as a muslim in Jakarta.
There is no difference between the difficulty of buying a home in Canada and in the USA. So yes, people do care about and relate to her mother’s difficulty in buying a home there.
And her parents’ citizenship is irrelevant to her eligibility. There’s no debate that she was born in the USA, and that makes her a natural born citizen. Only complete nut cases and ignorami push this absolute crank theory that a person’s parents have to be citizens. It has no basis and no support, anywhere.
LOL.
The point simply went over your head, I guess. Perhaps understanding the concept of DIFFERENT COUNTRIES is too difficult for you.
Sure … relate to me tales of Canada as you run for President of America …. okey doke …
It makes no difference what country they were in when they experienced this difficulty. Unless it’s a difficulty that only exists in that other country, or is at least significantly harder in that country than in this one, the location of the story doesn’t matter. The point, the only point, is the experience that she claims to have had, which you have not refuted.
If a candidate had had polio, would you dismiss its relevance because they were in Canada rather than the USA?!
Sometimes, Milhouse, I think that you are just retarded.
And that would be the charitable interpretation of your response.
I think you are just dishonest.
Canada is not a different planet. A border is not real; it’s just an arbitrary line on a map, and people on both sides are almost exactly the same.
I don’t know what you saw but Harris looked to me like she was going to cry all night long . She had no memorable lines and she lost the plot screaming “I have a plan , I have a plan “ Trump on the other hand got off zinger after zinger on her. He said her plan was “run spot run” “ they threw Biden to the dogs” he took “ a bullet to the head for their lies “ and “ where is our president , who knows ? “ and “she is Joe Biden.” He then closed on the obvious point that she’s done nothing worthwhile in 3 1/2 years and will continue that if you elect her. Sorry I do t think she rocked it at all she just recited her canned responses and sounded honestly to me like a woman who knows she doesn’t belong up there. Hillary did much better than her against Trump because she looked confident and like she was above debating him. Harris looked like an emotional kid being attacked by a bully. Notice how she never defended Biden or any of their policies. It was sad to me and after personally attacking Trump over and over again she ended on how the debate should be about issues not personal attacks , hilarious! If you like this woman you’ll still vote for her if you were on the fence I’d say Trump won the night.
Best debate summary so far”
“She just recited her canned responses…”
“Trump on the other hand got off zinger after zinger…”
From your fingers to Gods ears and voters mindset
Reading the comments this AM I note many are focused on what was said or not said. Fair as this was supposed to be a debate of policy positions and a discussion of the candidates ideas between Harris and Trump that was facilitated by impartial moderators. FWIW TV is a VISUAL medium as much if not more so than an audio medium.
That’s important b/c what we VIEWED last night wasn’t that. Instead it was Harris offering gobbledygook while making awkward poses and weird faces that she presumably thought communicated derision but looked not just forced but came across as condescending Karen. That plus the very obvious, bias from the moderators in offering up zero ‘fact checks’ of Harris but many interruptions of Trump where the info they interjected was FALSE.
What I saw was a united effort of media and d/prog aka the establishment to stack the deck v the outsider DJT, to willingly lie to distort/diminish DJT positions and an air of casually blatant condescension from Harris.
DJT wasn’t my first choice as nominee but he is our party choice. I have been and continue to be very willing to point out DJT errors. Did he leave some a things unaddressed and miss opportunities for delivery of a ‘kill shot’ response? Yep. He didn’t damage himself or his candidacy last night. He showed up to a hostile environment and delivered a good bit of info that many less informed voters probably haven’t heard. Given the odds stacked against him it was a worst a draw. When the campaign carves out some of the clips of Harris word salad and moderator bias offering false facts in future ads it will end up being a net positive.
My two cents. We find out in ten days or two weeks after ads run and folks watch online commentary and online clips/discussion, internalize it and polls come in.
I think this is probably the best take I’ve read so far.
I agree I wanted Ron DeSantis but we have Donald Trump. Trump is loud, obnoxious, narcissitic and bombastic. But he’s also funny, confident, and endlessly brave. He’ll talk to anyone at anytime about anything. He’s an “open book” as he said during the debate. She’s an empty suit. Young people like an empty suit because they can project onto it what they want to see or be, like a well manicured instagram account of fake but happy photos. Harris couldn’t last 5 seconds without the moderators jumping in to help her and tell her what she thinks. I doubt this debate changed anyone’s mind that Trump is a nice dude, who they want over for dinner or what not. But I think it would help people who haven’t decided, as he at least articulated plans and policies that have been successful and stated what he would actually do about current issues. She on the other hand just repeated over and over about giving out free houses, how Trump is a criminal who hates the military and that he’s a racist. If you already believed those things about him, you weren’t voting for him, and so you’ll leave unchanged feeling righteous that yes, Trump is a big racist. But if you wanted any substance or actual ideas, Harris didn’t bring it. She articulated no actual plan for how she will cut inflation, or help small business or end the war in Ukraine and Israel. She claimed to be positive and moving forward but it just sounds like a pale version of Hillary and Obama lumped together, and unfortunately for her both of those politicians run circles around her. Obama is smart and funny and doesn’t need moderators to save him; and Hillary is just as bombastic and arrogant as Trump. Harris is weak sauce. Her voice shook all night long and he eyes looked watery. Honestly I thought she was going to cry when he said “Biden hates you.” I think that one hit too close to home.
People who are yet to make their minds up will have come away from the debate no better off with understanding what Kamala’s polices are?
But apparently all that really mattered was something about cats? 🤣
Apparently listening skills aren’t your strong point. Harris made a number of references to policy
To someone who listened but didn’t watch, Kamala clearly won.
Just as when Nixon debated Kennedy. The radio audience overwhelmingly believed Nixon won while the TV audience and the vote broke to Kennedy (with a little help in TX and Illinois ‘allegedly’.
The average attention span isn’t very long. Most folks gonna read a headline to tell them who ‘won’ a few more will read the accompanying article. A large and growing # of folks get their news online. Short snippets spliced together with a few minutes at most of content offering an editorial take will be produced by the campaign both by official surrogates and folks looking for clicks. Then followed by reaction channels and podcast hosts chiming in.
Legacy media outlets have power but not the exclusive voice they used to have… in the information age everyone with a video camera (on your phone) can upload their take. Some of those content creators have millions of subscribers. A count over 100K subscribers with an average of 20K views on each video isn’t unusual at all.
Not necessarily.
“the Nixon radio victory emerged in only a single poll conducted by Sindlinger and Company. Considering other polling data reveals Sindlinger’s finding is likely the result of a Republican bias in the sample and not a mass defection of Democrats swayed by Nixon’s substantive arguments.”
Only cucks, pinkos, soy boys, parasites, hags and schoolteachers were impressed by Harris’s performance. That means she will win in a landslide.
Bring out the dead!!!
The Two Americas on full display. Hardworking billpaying citizens vs grasping government dependents. Constitution of 1789 vs constitution of 1964 aka the civil rights act. Informed vs shallow, ignorant and uneducated. Proven Free Market freedom vs the socialism borne of ignorance of history.
Komrade Kamala put on a boffo show last night for stupid people. Her base.
God help us.
Daisy commercial. Unfair, but effective.
I am reasonably rational, but politics is not rational.
The image I remember is the meme of Trump protecting kittens ans pet ducks. (I really dislike ducks and Geese, except on the dinner table.They poop in my yard.)
It’s completely irrational, but once you see it, you can’t unsee it.
The Trump meme is hilarious, and he doesn’t need to be cool. He can be a weird, dork, talking about windmills and bragging about the size of his crowds while posing in his mug shot. She on the other hand has to be presented as cool and BRAT; and that makes her vulnerable; because cool doesn’t last. One wrong step and suddenly you go from being BRAT to being BRAT pack.
The Democrat media is working its arse off to protect her at all cost. They really have sold there soul to the soulless Democrats.
She is the establishment just like they are. I wish he would embrace the weird comment, and go all in. Because since when is weird bad? Time to own it and make it your own. Turn weird into fun instead of creepy. Make duck memes, and stay weird signs, or signs about who has the biggest crowd. Since she’s not a serious candidate don’t take it so seriously. I’d love a duck meme Trump sign in my front yard, just saying : )
She was wearing Nova Audio earrings. They run $625 and are clip on ear buds.
I think looking over all the comments is that rationale thinkers wanted Trump to stick to calm cool policy lines and hammer her on her radical policies. Harris went for the emotional thinkers and tried for appeals to emotional reasoning about lies, hoaxes and racism; while claiming to be positive and forward thinking. So I get it; if you lean on way you wanted a calm policy focused debate. I hate to say it but that was never really possible with this lady because she has no policies that she’s willing to admit to. Trump can hammer her on that all day; and it won’t change anyone’s mind that she isn’t a super cool Queen. It would be great to seee Trump debate Bernie sanders who has insane policy ideas , but can at least admit to them and articulate them. But that’s not what we got; we got the queen of vibes; and so Trump had to work with that. This wasn’t a debate but a lot of mudslinging, one liners and repetitive punching down. Basically your standard political affair in today’s world of social media and social activist journalism. If there is a second debate it will be the same nonsense of repeated hoaxes, arguing over who Putin likes the best, and cries of racism from Harris. It’s all the lady has got, and it’s what her base wants from her. It’s a zero sum game for them, win at all costs, lie, lie, lie to get there.
If Trump followed all the advice being thrown he would be inauthentic.
One of the things people like about him is that he is just himself, good and bad.
One of the other things is that, despite what he says in public, good or bad, he makes good decisions in private that get things done and make things better.
In other words, let Trump be Trump, and let the other side pretend. It’s up to the people to see and overcome the manipulation.
Three on one and the vice prostitute barely held her own. I call that a win for Trump.
Saving grace: at globogym late at night the muted tvs replayed the debate, Harris’s facial expressions looked like a school-girl wondering who farted. Maybe, maybe, the remaining .001% of voters who are persuadable were half-watching without sound.
OK, I’m pretty sure that by November; if we have elections the effect of this debate will be minimal.
1) Most Americans are not engaged in politics at all until late October.
2) To be honest, a huge fraction of those that are engaged get their political opinions and choices from the UniParty and the media already.
3) Granting the bias of the ABC “immoderators” [I’m stealing that]; that is the function of the media in modern Western culture. They exist solely to be the operatives of those in power.
4) We all know that the integrity of the election process is at best questionable and longs to approximate Soviet style. I submit that the degree of cheating will have a greater effect on the outcome than the opinions of those who watched the debate. Most of those who watched have made their decisions beforehand.
5) The legitimacy of any society’s government is based on how well, or if, it follows that society’s Social Contract. The form and practice seem to diverge here.
Subotai Bahadur