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DEI Expert Allegedly Claimed the American Flag is Becoming a Symbol of ‘Hate and Extremism’

DEI Expert Allegedly Claimed the American Flag is Becoming a Symbol of ‘Hate and Extremism’

“called employees who don’t accept notions included in CRT, such as the existence of ‘White privilege,’ a ‘poison to culture and climate,’ and criticized equality in favor of equity”

Nancy Dome is a DEI trainer who works for Epoch Education, an organization that trains teachers and school administrators. Dome reportedly frowns upon people who object to the concepts taught in Epoch’s training sessions, such as white privilege.

In one training video that is apparently no longer available to the public, she allegedly suggested that the American flag is becoming a symbol of hate.

Isn’t this the natural progression of the left? Isn’t this where we are ultimately headed?

FOX News reported:

School district DEI trainer says American flag becoming ‘hate’ symbol, employees resisting CRT should be fired

A diversity, equity and inclusion trainer spreading critical race theory in the public education system – affecting thousands of teachers and administrators – said that “resistant” employees who disagree with the concepts should be fired, according to her published work.

Epoch Education CEO Dr. Nancy Dome called employees who don’t accept notions included in CRT, such as the existence of “White privilege,” a “poison to culture and climate,” and criticized equality in favor of equity. The DEI firm’s YouTube videos, meanwhile, espouse CRT’s tenets and indicate that color blindness isn’t sufficient.

“So what happens when you face someone who’s actually resistant, doesn’t believe White privilege or inequity exists?” Dome wrote in her 2022 book, “Let’s Talk About Race.” She proposed engaging in “compassionate dialogue,” calling it a “cleaner way of interacting.”

“If someone continues to resist that culture or climate after multiple interruptions, then you know they do not belong,” Dome added…

In a video posted on Epoch’s Vimeo account, Dome said she believed the American flag was becoming a symbol of “hate” and “extremism.” The video became publicly unavailable after Fox News sent a request for comment.

One of the practices Dome uses in her diversity training to bring in the desired culture is a “color line” exercise. Employees are scored, with a 0 being the most oppressed and a 125 for the most privileged.

Judging by her Twitter/X account, Dome is very active.

People are alarmed by her words about the flag.

It is cause for concern. It’s very easy to envision the American left advancing the idea that the American flag is a ‘hate’ symbol and that it is a bridge too far for millions of Americans who are already exhausted by the anti-American message of the progressive left.

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Things that don’t exist,
— dry water
— left-handed sky hooks
— DEI experts

“Dr. Nancy Dome,”

Hmmm, something tells me she’s not a “doctor” in the real sciences like chemistry or physics, nor a person with an MD degree.

Maybe her “doctorate” is in something more difficult, more mystifying.

    “If it can’t be expressed in figures, it is not science; it is opinion.” – Robert Heinlein

    PostLiberal in reply to pfg. | June 5, 2024 at 7:54 am

    Maybe her “doctorate” is in something more difficult, more mystifying.

    Yes, indeed. Nancy Dome is an Ed.D. Education- the most useless doctorate there is.

    I knew a Ed.D. whose dissertation applied CRT to the racism that black female middle school principals purportedly faced. Guess what? She was also a black female middle school principal. Good thing she got her doctorate, because the school district didn’t renew her contract. She had previously been an assistant principal at the school.

    Several months after she became principal, 43% of the teachers at the school signed a grievance petition against her. This was not a racism issue, as teachers who were several shades darker than than she – a high yellow Nawlins Creole- was, signed the grievance petition. In addition, she had replaced a principal, promoted to central office, who was several shades darker and who also had the respect of the teachers.

    https://drnancydome.com/

      Phil in reply to PostLiberal. | June 5, 2024 at 8:31 am

      Fascinating. How does one compare a Cathode Ray Tube to racism?

        AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to Phil. | June 5, 2024 at 8:48 am

        Simple. For the most part. Cathode Ray Tubes and Racism have become significantly reduced.

        Both have very small applications today.

        The Gentle Grizzly in reply to Phil. | June 5, 2024 at 8:51 am

        The same way one compares a Printed Circuit to using weasel-word language so as not to offend.

        henrybowman in reply to Phil. | June 6, 2024 at 1:03 am

        You have to pay through the nose anymore to get either one carted away.

      smooth in reply to PostLiberal. | June 5, 2024 at 8:49 am

      Dr. Jill Biden.

      The Gentle Grizzly in reply to PostLiberal. | June 5, 2024 at 8:59 am

      Were it not for Affirmative Action and college admission quotas, this woman would be cleaning rooms at a Days Inn.

      Paul in reply to PostLiberal. | June 5, 2024 at 9:17 am

      Sounds like she missed the bit where you can adjust the contrast on a CRT.

      Lucifer Morningstar in reply to PostLiberal. | June 5, 2024 at 9:24 am

      I’m going to assume that at some time a qualified person is going to look at Dr. Nancy Dome’s Ed.D thesis and find that most of it, if not all if it, is plagiarized from other people’s work. That seems to be how it goes with these affirmative action, Didn’t Earn It blacks and their fancy degrees.

        PostLiberal in reply to Lucifer Morningstar. | June 5, 2024 at 11:16 am

        I have looked at some Ed.D dissertations written by teachers or administrators I knew. For the most part, they were stories. As such, they didn’t present data that could be replicated- or not .

        Nancy Dome’s dissertation is a step above the dissertation-as-story, as she attempts to find out if there is some correlation between “learning style,” instructional strategies, and results. Making the connection between technology and multiple intelligences: The effect of instructional strategy on course completion rate and motivation of at -risk students

        The results are somewhat ironic, as she finds no correlations.

        Results. The analysis of the data for Research Questions 1 and 2 indicated that there was no significant correlation between the portfolio completion rate and any of the individual learning styles or the project completion rate and any of the individual learning styles. The data for the 3 rd research question, which asked to what extent did the implementation of technology affect student motivation as measured by unexcused absences, suspensions, and tardies, also indicated no significant correlation. Results from the student surveys indicated that the students preferred using technology compared to the paper-and-pencil version of the Graduation Portfolio.

        At least she didn’t fudge it, She said there was no correlation, instead of making the claim that she had found the Next Big Thing in Education Theory using dubious statistical methods that one later find out gave results that couldn’t be replicated.

        As I found only an abstract, I have no idea about plagiarism, but it seems to me that given her “I didn’t find anything” approach in her dissertation, plagiarism would be doubtful.

          Obie1 in reply to PostLiberal. | June 5, 2024 at 12:10 pm

          Doctoral dissertations are supposed to add to the existing body of knowledge, not merely describe some research that determines there is no correlation between two variables.

      Flatworm in reply to PostLiberal. | June 5, 2024 at 9:41 am

      Hey now, an Ed.D. is a perfectly respectable alternative to a college education.

        drsamherman in reply to Flatworm. | June 5, 2024 at 11:48 am

        Considering Jill Biden has an Ed. D., and considering how bad her “dissertation” (an extended high school sophomore term paper) was, I no longer wonder why the state of education in the USA is in such serious decline and decay. If these two (Jilly and Domehead) are what passes for “scholarship” in education, public schools are definitely the idiocracy.

The American flag has taken on an “up yours” role, which is not a bad thing. Just don’t confuse it with virtue, which will vary with circumstances.

nordic prince | June 5, 2024 at 7:31 am

She’s got it all backwards: It’s the so-called “pride/progress” flag that’s a symbol of hate & extremism.

    And a black raised fist is a symbol of peace, love and inclusion.

    drsamherman in reply to nordic prince. | June 5, 2024 at 11:45 am

    If she considers Old Glory to be so offensive, she’s welcome to move to a place where she considers their flag to be in keeping with values like hers—China, North Korea, etc. Oh, sorry—I forgot—they don’t want her either.

    When someone takes the tack that the world around them needs to change and they don’t, it’s time to re-evaluate. Or better yet, just leave. No, just LEAVE.

    BUH BYE, Domehead!

      AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to drsamherman. | June 5, 2024 at 12:52 pm

      She is always free to live to Nigeria, Senegal, Congo, or many other fine African Countries that she can mold to anything she wants. Problem with that: these are countries where women are treated like chattel and no one will listen to her nonsense.

It has always amazed me how various forms of Marxism continue to appeal to blacks. Some years ago there was a series of articles about this question entitled “The Bloody Shovel” Almost like Marxist theory is innate within the population.

    Halcyon Daze in reply to Whitewall. | June 5, 2024 at 8:26 am

    Socialism is a carrot on a stick designed to appeal to the laziest, least educated, least intelligent people in society. Socialism is the preferred bridge to authoritarian government rule that has no use for citizen rights.

      Whitewall in reply to Halcyon Daze. | June 5, 2024 at 8:36 am

      Yes very true. More fully, Marxism-Leninism finds and elevates the least qualified who will act, say and repeat anything no matter if it just jibberish. Anything to hold power and at the expense of anyone, even members of their own group identity.

    smooth in reply to Whitewall. | June 5, 2024 at 8:51 am

    Marxism has worked so well for sub-sahara african countries. sarc/

      Whitewall in reply to smooth. | June 5, 2024 at 9:22 am

      But it is always dug up and tried again and again no matter how many are killed and buried only to wait a while to repeat, dig the graves etc.

      n.n in reply to smooth. | June 5, 2024 at 9:41 am

      Zulu vs Mandela’s Xhosa with native collateral damage, Tutsi vs Hutu in recurring [ethnic] Springs, Kenyan deplorables vs elites in redistributive change, etc.

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to Whitewall. | June 5, 2024 at 8:53 am

    Easy, To each according to their needs (free phone, housing, discounted utilities, EBT, affirmative action) From each according to their ability (high taxes to pay for the above, jobs below their capability and earning power due to AA and race quotas set by the Civil Rights division of the (alleged) Justice Department.

the American Flag is Becoming a Symbol of ‘Hate and Extremism’
Only in your fevered minds and the minds of those you infect.

E Howard Hunt | June 5, 2024 at 8:34 am

Momma Dome is just jealous because she be too fat to wrap herself in the flag.

Time to cancel Nancy Dome for toxic anti-white rhetoric. DEI/CRT is such a fraud.

There will be NO REPARATIONS.

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to smooth. | June 5, 2024 at 8:55 am

    If the Democrats take the White House again, and achieve majorities in the houses of congress, you can count on their being a reparations program. It will likely be in the form of confiscation of 401(k)s and mutual fund accounts.

      Lucifer Morningstar in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | June 5, 2024 at 9:29 am

      If the democrats take the White House again, and achieve majorities in Congress and attempt to confiscate people’s 401(k)s and mutual fund accounts as reparations for blacks there will be a Civil War in this country that will make the last one look like a walk in the park. And it will be the democrats that attempt such a thing that will be the first against the wall. Guaranteed,.

        They’ve only been working on that plan since at least the Bill Clinton administration.

        Oops. I guess that was unnecessary, since there was no Hillary administration. Thank God.

      destroycommunism in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | June 5, 2024 at 12:14 pm

      reparations already exists

      its time for those who have been collecting it to start PAYING BACK TO ITS VICTIMS!!

broomhandle | June 5, 2024 at 9:09 am

I remember when I was a kid people with the same mentality tried to replace the national anthem because it is “about war.”

Sue these people into oblivion for creating a ‘hostile work environment.’

I acknowledge the idea of privilege – that some people for various reasons enjoy advantages that they did not earn. But the flip side of privilege is not necessarily oppression. Indeed, it usually isn’t. I enjoyed many advantages of a good childhood, with married parents, free of substance abuse or serious mental health issues. But while my parents were responsible for giving me these advantages, it certainly doesn’t follow that either they or I were responsible for depriving others of the same. My parents’ marriage didn’t make anybody a single mom. Their sobriety didn’t make anybody an addict. Their lawfulness didn’t make anybody a criminal.

Over 50% black males don’t finish high school. So blame white people?

Diversity (i.e. color judgment, class bigotry), Equivocation, Indoctrination (IED), including: racism, sexism… genderism, and other class-disordered ideologies.

The American flag has never and does not represent diversity (e.g. racism, sexism), which has been the dominion of Democrats and other left-wing ideologues since the nation’s inception, conception. #HateLovesAbortion

Let me guess, she supports the way the Minnesota flag was redesigned to look like the Somali flag?

Of course she does.

Ugh I’ve been to so many trainings like this; the same numb brain dead “exercises.” I’m sure her color line of oppression and privilege is really going to help us all get along better and have better compassion and shared understanding. Nope, of course it won’t, but then it’s designed to do the opposite and have us feel spite, hate and judgement towards others. I would love to do a diversity training about diversity trainings and how they make the majority of us feel angry, awful, judged, unseen, gaslighted, and invalidated; never to mind the exorbitant amount of money these stupid things cost, along with the work time lost to them.

There is no reason for a DEI director at all anywhere and it should not be legal for a school to have one or to have one in practice without the title and it does not abolish freedom for the Florida State Government to say it is illegal and punish schools caught having one.

This is something that needs to be enforced more heavily in Florida and Texas and done nationwide, and yet another example of why I am no libertarian, and neither should you be one.

This article is the face of libertarian results. Once the school is autonomous it is free to pick whatever racial theory it wishes to indoctrinate kids with, and reject America all it wants.

    CommoChief in reply to Danny. | June 5, 2024 at 10:24 am

    Danny

    Are you suggesting that libertarians would be in favor of big govt programs to jam DEI/CRT propaganda and forced struggle session/seminars?

    99.99% of libertarians would oppose this and any suggestion that govt should do anything other than its core functions. Big govt enthusiasts and the chamber of commerce types who enabled govt expansion are directly to blame for creating the current bureaucratic totalitarianism.

      Danny in reply to CommoChief. | June 5, 2024 at 11:24 am

      Before I start I would like to remind you I respect you, know we have the same end goals and agree most of the time.

      First I agree most people who call themselves libertarians do abandon the principle when convenient. The label however has always meant you feel the government is too big and does too many things and needs to be scaled back.

      However giving law enforcement more things they have to enforce, and giving judges more things to sanction is the definition of expanded government. Even if penalties aren’t jail removing an administrator for say separating non-Whites and enforcing a massive fine consisting of say 15 years income means tested to make it hurt as much as possible from Whites (something that is happening all the time and a hypothetical penalty I would support for administrators doing it if you could show it was their intent and they weren’t just tricked) means you need government doing a lot more even if they are state instead of local.

      Furthermore what about private schools and charter schools? Do you for a second believe that these ideologies haven’t penetrated there and they aren’t doing exactly the same thing? We need new regulations that will include those as well.

      To me a non-libertarian constitutionalist I think it is perfectly constitutional to have laws that dictate fair treatment to all students in private school settings, minimum standards for what kind of American History is taught, and illegality of teaching racial theories and other things that set up the children in those schools for failure.

      As a libertarian what principle would there be to stand on for regulating this garbage out of non-public schools?

      What the Chamber of Commerce stood for that enabled this was unilaterally getting Republicans out of the regulation industry which had predictable results of only Democrats set the regulations so only Democrats get their voices heard outside of government.

      Even if this was only a public school problem in what way can you justify expanding a state government that is less local and less accountable to stop a local district from teaching what it wishes?

      I do not think it is a coincidence that the real libertarians (Libertarian Party) is openly woke and booed Trump as loudly as they could. Republican Libertarians aren’t real libertarians (off the top of my head almost all of them favor a strong large military, militaries are literally an arm of government), New Hampshire is a much more libertarian state than say Utah or Idaho yet when did it last go Republican in a presidential year Bush? I don’t know if Trump is even planning on seriously contesting New Hampshire this time.

        CommoChief in reply to Danny. | June 5, 2024 at 12:42 pm

        Danny,

        This is very simple. Less govt, indeed no govt outside of core functions is the desirable goal. Heck lets just use the actual Constitution and apply Bruen logic to it and massive amounts of Federal govt get swept away. I don’t think we disagree on that point. SCOTUS has a couple of opportunities this term to gut Chevron doctrine which would help get us closer.

        I don’t believe most libertarians support a huge military industrial complex as we have had in the post WWII era. I would also argue that most libertarians (small l) are like me, libertarians trapped in a GoP body b/c the Libertarian party isn’t gonna get it done. Several reasons, first is ballot access hurdles put in place by the duopoly of the GoP + d/prog who work to preclude formation of 3rd parties. Secondly is the utter loons that the libertarian party attracts; it seems every weirdo of whatever flavor that doesn’t want the govt looking over their shoulder has their turn at the helm. Sucks but there it is.

        The problem I have with folks who try and tell those of us who are philosophically libertarians that we ain’t real libertarians unless we believe X or do Z is that we ain’t operating with a blank canvas. We have to operate as things exist now while working to make the needed changes and that’s an incremental process of horse trading in politics. Choosing the lesser of two evils is still enabling evil but it is better than the alternative greater evil. That’s the reality. Again sucks but facing up to that reality is the only way to advance the ball.

        IMO the best way to get from here to a more libertarian dominant future is two pronged; first embrace radical Federalism and destroy the administrative state. Force Congress to write statutes and regulations w/o an unconstitutional delegation of legislative power to the Executive branch agencies while limiting the scope of all Federal actions to the enumerated powers listed in Art 1 Sec 8. When Congress and executive branch get those enumerated powers running smoothly then maybe they can ask to expand their powers/functions. At the State level do the same thing by granting home rule to the County level. Then handcuff them by removing all immunity for govt agents, Institute meaningful criminal penalties for misuse of power and authority.by govt agents. Require transparency, efficiency and direct public accountability for State and local governments with simple straightforward remedies in CT for Citizens to enforce those things which grants every Citizen whose rights were violated the standing to sue.

        In a perfect libertarian world Parents would come together voluntarily to create a leaning environment for their own children that matched their own values and educational goals. Others could also volunteer their funding, time and resources but w/o govt coercion. At most a simple test for mastery of basic material like a GED/HS grad exam might be required to demonstrate proficiency might be a good idea. Let those who object and defend the public schools with 0 Students reading at grade level fix those before they cast stones or stand in the way of true reform ….eliminating bureaucratic BS by focusing on the end result.

          Danny in reply to CommoChief. | June 5, 2024 at 9:14 pm

          First I have spoken to enough Republicans to know that enough of them just use the “libertarian” tag as a shield because we live in a society where the left controls every cultural institution which has made not being a leftist taboo and saying libertarian instead of conservative or traditional or right wing is the ultimate shield so yes I agree with you wanting high military budgets is incompatible with libertarianism which should be fair warning about how many actually exist.

          I fully agree with you on Chevron deference to as I said we agree on the vast majority of things right now however we are talking about what we disagree on

          Here is what Brave’s ai said in response to “what is a libertarian”

          “Individual Liberty: Libertarians prioritize individual freedom and autonomy, believing that individuals should be free to make their own choices and live their lives as they see fit, as long as they do not harm others.”

          So far the kind of actions DeSantis is taking and that would absolutely be needed to make it possible to even imagine turning the culture is not compatible with libertarianism. An employer saying “you have no right to work for me bend the knee to this country being evil, whites being subhuman and woke ideology or your fired” is not taking away anyone else’ rights he is using his property as he sees fit. According to that first principle DeSantis saying no you can’t do that is definitely a big no.

          “Limited Government: Libertarians advocate for a limited government that only intervenes in individuals’ lives when necessary to protect individual rights and property.”

          No rights and property are violated by either teaching white people they have inherited racial guilt that makes them inferior or in teaching black people they are victims who should hate white people.

          “Free Markets: Libertarians support free markets and the free flow of goods and services, believing that competition and voluntary exchange lead to greater efficiency and prosperity.”

          Once again a lot of people who call themselves libertarians aren’t.

          “Property Rights: Libertarians believe that individuals have the right to own and control their own property, and that government should protect these rights.”

          That includes hands of private and charter school curricula and surrender your influence over them and let the left continue dominating culture.

          “Non-Aggression Principle: Libertarians believe that individuals should not initiate force or aggression against others, and that government should not use force or coercion to impose its will on others.”

          That includes DeSantis’ idea that if you require your employees to engage in Maoist struggle sessions and adopt your politics you are in violation of state law and subject to penalties.

          There are definitely overlaps between constitutional government that uses the legitimate power it has been granted and small government, but lets be blunt.

          Go around and collect 20 random teenage girls and send them back in time to 1799 and they will all be arrested for how they are dressed. The United States Government has always had a very extensive amount to say and impose about the public and has always gone way beyond just preventing violence and punishing theft. It isn’t just how young women could dress back in the day there was a lot more regulation of speech than there is now. People forget how recently it was illegal to burn the American Flag.

          You mentioned devolve state power down to the county level.

          Where do you think this DEI expert was hired? A school district is a lot closer to the voters than a governor.

          It has long been established that the government gets a say in what schools can or can’t teach and how they are to be run. The only question is do we use our lawful power to influence them or leave them in the hands of the Democrats only.

          There are at minimum two generations (If only millennials voted Republicans would probably lose Alabama by a few percentage points and win Utah as their only hold) and Gen Z (Even Utah would be too close to call if only Gen Z voted) and if we don’t get off our behinds and use our power definitely three (Gen Alpha with the kindergarten indoctrination onwards will be the most politically saturated in American history and it will be entirely from the left).

          What made me firmly support DeSantis is he actually did understand that the 21st century libertarian experiment failed and it was time to get back to basics and govern using the power the voters granted and he did a very fine job knowing if he failed he would be a one term governor and discredit fighting for the social issues to other Republican politicians.

          You can’t withdraw the government from the culture, you could withdraw Republican state governments from the culture and refuse to do a thing with legitimate power like the presidency when it is granted but that doesn’t get the government out of the business it just grants the left a monopoly on power because the left has never claimed to be libertarian.

          Again the thought experiment, all of those teenage girls in close fitting shirts some of which bare the midriff and short skirts; send them back in time and how many seconds before arrest? I am not advocating government go back to regulating how women and girls dress I am pointing out the idea that government has ever been out of the culture is absurd using one of the most obvious ways it was very intrusive way back when.

          Again I fully respect you we agree on almost everything, and in everything that is actually important we wish for the same results.

          I just don’t think it is a coincidence the Libertarian Party was booing Donald Trump.

          For some Trump sins that I consider positive

          1. Failed because he tried too late in his presidency but tried to build a border wall (what he achieved was reversed by Biden)

          2. Bankrupted and diplomatically isolated Iran (reversed by Biden)

          3. Wrote an executive order telling colleges what they can or can’t do (reversed by Biden)

          4. Gifted the Jews protection under the civil rights act (not including affirmative action discrimination but it is hard to argue it wasn’t needed in light of the current atmosphere and now enshrined in law by the Republican Party with encouragement from Trump)

          5. Routine threats to use tariffs.

          The institutions of this country outside of government are woke if you want to make a change to the country it has to come from how you use government. DeSantis is in my opinion the blueprint for what we should do everywhere possible.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | June 6, 2024 at 6:34 am

          Danny,

          No matter where decisions get made Federal, State or Local the Constitution still applies. Just b/c a local govt does X doesn’t make X automatically:
          1. A good thing
          2. A.wise decision
          3. A constitutional decision

          Devolving power to the lowest level DOES make the decision makers more accountable. If Joe Blow on the local board/commission makes a bone head decision, even if constitutional, he is far more likely to get direct push back than some Congressman. Joe Blow gonna hear about it in Church at the grocery store, when purchasing fuel and so on. Much harder to raise hell against a Congressman in distant DC.

          You seem to object to use of govt to enforce rights when libertarians want to do so. You previously suggested that use of the Court system and subsequent govt force if necessary to enforce the ruling of the Court is somehow a violation of libertarian principles. It isn’t. Courts are the better way to handle disputes and libertarians are in favor of them, after all, how do I enforce my contract with a counter party without the Court? How do I enforce my property rights without the Court?

          While you are correct about how others define libertarian beliefs lets return to reality. We are NOT operating with a blank canvas. Further attempting to claim that use of govt power as it currently exists to rectify prior or current abuses of power by other governmental entities/officials is somehow disqualifying for libertarians is ludicrous.

          Bottom line here is that if we replace libertarian with ‘Christian’ in your argument then it becomes clear how absurd this line of attack is. Under your theory every person of religious faith who:
          1. Participates in voting
          2. Uses govt services
          3. Serves on a jury
          4. Joins the military
          5. Works for govt
          6. Accepts any govt funds from any source
          7. Attends public schools/University

          All of those people are likewise betraying their religious convictions b/c the govt they interact with and the society they live in doesn’t operate in 100% accord with their religious beliefs, philosophy and principles. The religious are not required to live separately like the Amish do nor are libertarians required to reside in Galt’s Gulch in order to pass your purity test.

          Heyas Chief! 🙂 You know those online tests that categorize your political leanings based on a series of questions? I often got “libertarian” in some way, which always made me laugh. The problem I see with libertarians is the same one I see with “progressives”: too much faith in human nature and not enough in God. Here, you kind of illustrate this point:

          In a perfect libertarian world Parents would come together voluntarily to create a leaning environment for their own children that matched their own values and educational goals.

          Any ideology that requires human beings to act collectively for the greater good is a non-starter with me. Communal anything doesn’t work because there will always be those people who are lazy and selfish, and sponging off those who are neither (or are, at least, less so). Who are these magical “others” who will happily and endlessly donate/volunteer their time and money while watching others horde their own “resources” while getting high on drugs and engaging in other society-destroying activities that libertarians think should be legalized?

          I don’t know what the libertarian solution is to these less useful members of their perfect libertarian society, but it really can’t be much different than that of Nazis, communists, and socialists, right? I mean you have to cull those nonproductive members in some way, either imprison them or kill them or your perfect libertarian world won’t, indeed cannot, work. Or maybe I am missing something?

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | June 6, 2024 at 11:08 am

          Fuzzy,

          Well lets discuss your rejection of any system ideology which is predicated on voluntary cooperation. That means you also reject every nongovernmental standard, tradition, social mores or ethics as curbs upon human interaction in our society.

          I am for maximum liberty but simultaneously for maximum accountability and responsibility for one’s own choices. You want to try out heroin, graduate to some fentanyl +veterinary medicine and end up a zombie? Cool beans. That was your choice and now you gotta accept the consequences. Sucks to be you. No govt $ or program to assist you out of the mess you created. Your family and/or charitable people/institutions are free to solicit voluntarily contributions to offer assistance but not from the taxpayers.

          For ‘non-productive’ individuals who refuse to support themselves… eff them. They and everyone else is free to rise to wealth or fall face first into a ditch and drown. Those are what we used to describe as the undeserving poor; they don’t deserve our assistance though their family or a charitable person could voluntarily offer help from their own purse. I believe that the early colonists at Jamestown had this figured out some time ago ‘those who will not work will not eat’.

          End the welfare state and the culture of victim hood celebration and most of our current societal ills will dissipate over time.

          Azathoth in reply to CommoChief. | June 6, 2024 at 12:08 pm

          In a perfect libertarian world Parents would come together voluntarily to create a leaning environment for their own children that matched their own values and educational goals.

          Nah.

          In a perfect libertarian world someone would say,

          ‘I can teach X, for X amount. All comers welcome. When I’m done, if you can’t do X, I’ll refund your money.’

          That’s libertarian.

          The ‘greater good’ is achieved when these things work out.

          The greater good is undermined completely whenever you hear someone saying that sacrifices have to be made to achieve it.

          Because the greatest good there is is that you get to live your life as you see fit, to your benefit and that of those you care about.

          But you do have to pay for what you want. TAANSTAAFL.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | June 6, 2024 at 1:31 pm

          Azathoth,

          What you describe is one of many examples of individual liberty being used by Parents to educate their children. They could indeed find and sign a contract with a private instructor. They could home school by themselves. They could use a private school.

          They could work in learning pods with other Parents using their own expertise where the CPA teaches mathematics and statistics while the Chemical Engineer teaches science, the electrician teaches basic wiring, the Mechanic teaches small engine repair.

          The one constant is no government interference with the process. IMO the ONLY criteria for whether the program is a success is whether the Students can pass an exit exam at the end of it. Let students graduate at their own pace with faster learners sooner and for slower learners later than others.

          Libertarians are always free to donate their time and money if they wish. Not every event or interaction must have a transaction fee to remain true to libertarian principles. The key is if the act is voluntary (charity) or coerced by govt threat of force (taxation). The less govt the better, the less taxes the better.

        artichoke in reply to Danny. | June 5, 2024 at 7:47 pm

        Danny I agree. The reason as I see it is that those of libertarian mindset are too soft. They get abused and punched and their response is some long-winded and intellectually so clever and balanced correction to the structure of government, based on their understanding of constitutional principles and on and on and on, when they should first

        PUNCH BACK!

        This is why I love Ron DeSantis. He punches back. He gets the DEI admins fired pro-actively and makes them scared to try to do their stuff secretly. He uses the power of government to solve the problem, rather than first weakening the government in true libertarian cuck style.

        Deliberatively provocative there at the end, can someone prove me wrong?

          Danny in reply to artichoke. | June 5, 2024 at 9:24 pm

          I couldn’t agree more.

          In addition to everything else government has never been out of the culture if instead of using lawful power we are legitimately given we just try to eliminate the power the Democrats will laugh hysterically because they are in no way bound by unilateral disarmament by us.

          I am glad to see at least one other person agrees with me on this.

    stevie in reply to Danny. | June 6, 2024 at 9:06 am

    So many government positions are just jobs programs.

This woman is a fool. But …

Given what the government of the United States of America has been doing lately, it is possible to forget that our flag represents our best aspirations.

It is foolish and cowardly to blame our flag for the wickedness of our leaders and citizens. The question is whether it still waves over the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    artichoke in reply to gibbie. | June 5, 2024 at 7:49 pm

    She’s no fool. She’s made a lot of money and driven a lot of social change in the direction that she desires.

    What she is, is an adversary.

Talk is cheap, Nancy. I wish you would drop all pretense and attempt to do what you really want.
I can put words in your mouth, too.
There is nothing but air and opportunity between you and your goal.
Step up, bitch.

Black woman

destroycommunism | June 5, 2024 at 12:10 pm

until the blmplo is flying high in the usa they wont rest

destroycommunism | June 5, 2024 at 12:15 pm

the military has already capitulated to comforting the evil that is lefty doctrine

its only a matter of time

Voice_of_Reason | June 5, 2024 at 12:35 pm

The “Pride Flag” is a symbol of hate and extremism.

Well, I guess history will bear out who was right. The left are going to get their hot war. They will RUE is.

destroycommunism | June 5, 2024 at 1:00 pm

nothing under her

dome

Any government policy that violates MLK’s dream that people aren’t judged by the color of their skin, but the content of their character is forbidden and those with advocate for racist policies are fired.

    artichoke in reply to ConradCA. | June 5, 2024 at 7:38 pm

    That wasn’t actually MLK’s dream. It’s just what he said to that big crowd of mostly white people in DC.

    His dream was to get the money, as much as possible. As he said to black audiences, “get that check”. And after he had equality, he was pushing for what he called “true equality” which is now called equity.

Discrimination
Enabling
Incompetence

When she says … it really means … .

equity / racial discrimination against people unlike her
compassionate dialog / struggle session
belonging / agreeing with her
expert / someone you shouldn’t take advice from in a million years!

How long will it take before we can remove these destroyers from positions of power in our society? They’ll fight every step of the way and, since they’re destroyers, they don’t care what they destroy along the way as long as it isn’t themselves.

We’ll have to become destroyers ourselves if we are to succeed. If they’re playing for the win and we’re playing for fairness, obviously we will not even get fairness, let alone gaining back any lost ground.

caseoftheblues | June 5, 2024 at 9:15 pm

DEI expert= avowed blatant racist

Nancy Dome – You are offended by the flag of this Great Nation? The flag that thousands of American soldiers have given their lives for – to protect YOUR liberty? Then, YOU need to get the F* out, and find your home in a better Country. Can you name one? Regardless – just leave.

If she didn’t thiink that, she couldn’t be an ” DEI expert.”

Self-proclaimed expert thinks anyone who does not embrace Marxist/Communist ideas is evil, without knowing that Marxism/Communism is evil.

DEI Expert Allegedly Claimed the American Flag is Becoming a Symbol of ‘Hate and Extremism’

Try again: DEI Expert Allegedly Claimed the American Flag is Becoming a Symbol of ‘Hate and Extremism’