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‘Modern Antisemitism’: Israel Justice Minister Lashes Out at ICC for Seeking Arrest Warrants Against Netanyahu, Gallant

‘Modern Antisemitism’: Israel Justice Minister Lashes Out at ICC for Seeking Arrest Warrants Against Netanyahu, Gallant

Including Hamas leaders is a cover because we all know the ICC only wants to target Israel.

Justice Minister Yariv Levin blasted the International Criminal Court (ICC) for seeking arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant:

“The decision, the purpose of which is an attempt to deny the State of Israel the right of self-defense, and the comparison between Israel’s leaders and the many murderers at the head of Hamas are a clear expression of modern antisemitism and hatred of Jews wherever they are,” he says in a statement.

Khan is also seeking warrants against three Hamas leaders — Yahya Sinwar, Mohammed Deif and Ismail Haniyeh.

“The State of Israel will continue to fight a just war of defense against terrorism, in the most moral manner and according to international law,” Levin pledges.

“The citizens of Israel, and many of our friends around the world, today stand strongly behind the prime minister, the leadership of the country, the IDF and the security forces,” he says in a statement conspicuously lacking Gallant’s name.

President Biden and Administration

President Joe Biden also slammed the decision in an emailed press release:

The ICC prosecutor’s application for arrest warrants against Israeli leaders is outrageous. And let me be clear: whatever this prosecutor might imply, there is no equivalence — none — between Israel and Hamas. We will always stand with Israel against threats to its security.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken also disagreed with the ICC:

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken says the Biden administration “fundamentally rejects” Khan’s decision.

“We reject the prosecutor’s equivalence of Israel with Hamas. It is shameful. Hamas is a brutal terrorist organization that carried out the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust and is still holding dozens of innocent people hostage, including Americans,” Blinken says in his own statement.

The secretary of state reiterates the long-held US stance that the ICC has no jurisdiction over the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, in no small part due to the fact that Israel — and the US — are not members of the court.

“The ICC was established by its state parties as a court of limited jurisdiction. Those limits are rooted in principles of complementarity, which do not appear to have been applied here, amid the prosecutor’s rush to seek these arrest warrants, rather than allowing the Israeli legal system a full and timely opportunity to proceed,” Blinken says.

Israeli Parliament

The ICC managed to bring together Netanyahu’s side with the opposition, as 106 of the 120 members of the Israeli parliament condemned the decision:

“The state of Israel is in the midst of a just war against a criminal terror organization. The IDF is the most moral army in the world. Our heroic soldiers are fighting with courage and dedication that has no second, according to international law, like no other army has ever done.

“The scandalous comparison by the Hague prosecutor between Israel’s leaders and the heads of terror organizations is an unerasable historic crime and a clear expression of antisemitism. We reject this with revulsion. 80 years after the Holocaust, no one will block the Jewish state from defending itself.”

Those who did not sign belong to the Hadash-Ta’al, Ra’am, and Labor parties.

Labor MK Naama Lazimi described the petition as “meaningless” and called it a “pawn in Bibi’s game to receive legitimization and fortify his corrupt and bad government.”

Lazimi found the ICC decision “disgraceful” but added that “it was also part of Netanyahu’s ‘total failure’ in running the war.”

ICC

ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan wants arrest warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, Hamas Leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar, and Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh.

Khan claims Netanyahu and Gallant committed:

  • Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute;
  • Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
  • Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
  • Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i);
  • Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity;
  • Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h);
  • Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k).

Khan cites supposed evidence from “survivors and eyewitnesses, authenticated video, photo and audio material, satellite imagery and statements from the alleged perpetrator group.”

The alleged evidence “shows that Israel has intentionally and systematically deprived the civilian population in all parts of Gaza of objects indispensable to human survival.”

Khan also claims Hamas committed the following war crimes:

  • Extermination as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(b) of the Rome Statute;
  • Murder as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(a), and as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
  • Taking hostages as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(iii);
  • Rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(g), and also as war crimes pursuant to article 8(2)(e)(vi) in the context of captivity;
  • Torture as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(f), and also as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity;
  • Other inhumane acts as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(l)(k), in the context of captivity;
  • Cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity; and
  • Outrages upon personal dignity as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(ii), in the context of captivity.

“My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas running in parallel,” stated Khan. “We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were part of a widespread and systematic attack against the civilian population of Israel by Hamas and other armed groups pursuant to organisational policies. Some of these crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.”

Why hasn’t the ICC gone after Russian President Vladimir Putin? Did the court ever go after Syria or Iran?

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Aw geez, get on with it, Islam. Your saber rattling is waning in effect.
Give the west one good reason or STFU.

This is all to lay the legal groundwork for a second Holocaust not only against Israel, by denying the right to defend itself, but also for the extermination of Jews worldwide.

This is to justify Iran getting the bomb and nuking Israel.

Israel will have to prepare its Samson Option. It must, either openly or through back channels, prepare the world that when she is destroyed, she will take the world down with her.

In fact, it would be her obligation to do so.

    Kwiznos Haagendazs in reply to Eric R.. | May 20, 2024 at 6:31 pm

    If Israel is destroyed, the survivors would have an “obligation” to use whatever weapons remain at their disposal to exterminate the rest of mankind? I assume that’s what you mean when you say Israel should “take the world down with her.”

      Well, it’s not exactly an idea that originated with me. The idea goes back to at least Seymour Hirsh’s book “The Samson Option” (and he is a leftist and a critic of Israeli policy) and has been mentioned since by others.

      While Israel would not hit the USA, I do think that a revenge attack would hardly be limited to Iran, as it took a whole world letting Iran developing the nukes to carry out a Second Holocaust.

      We can see now, that the effort to exterminate Israel and the Jews is a coordinated multi-front effort and not just limited to Iran.

      So Israel’s response should not be limited to Iran either.

    JohnSmith100 in reply to Eric R.. | May 20, 2024 at 6:33 pm

    How about issuing warrants for arrest of ICC staff behind this? Dump them in terrorist territory. Why is America still funding the UN?

We should tax all income earned by Americans at the ICC at 140%.

The same corrupt insitution that gave us Jack Smith. Tells you all you need to know.

Young females were kidnapped and are being held.

Is there any group in history that would not try to rescue these girls?

If you try to impede attempts to rescue these girls, how can you be taken seriously?

If you try to impede attempts to rescue these girls, how can you expect to be treated as anything other than a collaborator in the original crime?

Can you imagine if Blinken’s daughter were kidnapped? Or Obama? Or Putin? Or Pelosi? Or Schumer? Or any of the folks at ICC?

What else are the Israelis supposed to do?

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If kidnapping little girls is now ok — and evidently according to the UN, it is — won’t such kidnappings just increase? and escalate?

Am I not understanding something?

Antisemiticism no longer works as a charge. It’s a transparent privilege claim.

Who is the most oppressed group can’t be won and won’t be.

Argue instead the morality – who is acting morally (mutually beneficial trade with the other side) and who is acting immorally (each attempt shot down or blown up). There’s no privilege claim there and it’s easily won.

I have no idea what it’s going to take but eventually if the Jews value their lives they will have to take the gloves off and be prepared to get their hands dirty by finishing Hamas and Hezbollah off once and for all.

The West isn’t going to come to their aid and January 2025 is an aweful long way off to wait for a friendly President to come to power.

If only Israel and Jews did the things claimed. Then the bigots would see the tangible difference and the rest of us would see their bigotry as it exists in reality.

Idiot would have prosecuted Eisenhower for the food shortages in Germany during WWII.

Having won both World Wars I & II, the Belgians and the Swiss (with some grudging help from the French) now assert their world dominance. How many divisions does Belgium have? More than the Vatican, at least. We need leaders in the US who can moderate this farce.

Israel should issue an arrest warrant for Karim Khan – I’m sure there is some law he violated, because modern legal codes are generally so broad you can almost always find something – and then should put it out on Interpol. Should be interesting to see the ensuing fireworks.

Two can play this game, you know.

    BartE in reply to boldface. | May 21, 2024 at 5:54 am

    The problem is one has evidence and the other doesn’t. Games have rules and this one requires an evidence base, I don’t think looking for unpaid parking tickets is going to cut it.

      Milhouse in reply to BartE. | May 21, 2024 at 7:04 am

      What “evidence”? The very existence of Khan’s inquiry is illegitimate and an act of collaboration with the “Palestinian” Nazis.

        BartE in reply to Milhouse. | May 21, 2024 at 11:38 am

        Are you disputing that Israel cut of supplies to Gaza? That’s pretty well reported,
        Are you disputing the numerous strikes on apartment blocks, again well reported
        Fingers in your ears isn’t much of an argument

        “The very existence of Khan’s inquiry is illegitimate” No, this is you wanting Israel to be immune to accountability. Doesn’t work like that

      ahad haamoratsim in reply to BartE. | May 21, 2024 at 10:59 am

      Exactly. There is more than ample evidence of Hamas’ atrocities. There is zero evidence of Israel’s supposed war crimes.

        Actually there is tonnes of evidence of Israeli war crimes, they engaged in collective punishment depriving Gaza of essential supplies. That is a war crime

        No one is defending Hamas, that is a moronic right wing talking point.

          ahad haamoratsim in reply to BartE. | May 22, 2024 at 12:22 am

          Good grief, you’re a Brit. That explains a lot. Now tell me about the’tonnes’ of evidence that Jews murdered Hugh of Lincoln for his blood.

          BartE in reply to BartE. | May 22, 2024 at 8:02 am

          “Good grief, you’re a Brit. That explains a lot”
          Not seeing any substance here

          “Now tell me about the’tonnes’ of evidence that Jews murdered Hugh of Lincoln for his blood.”
          lol never mentioned this topic, it’s entirely irrelevant. If your argument is purely whataboutism then I’m sorry to say that you have absolutely nothing.

          I look forward to you actually addressing the points made rather than meandering onto irrelevances to distract from your complete lack of argument

          Milhouse in reply to BartE. | May 22, 2024 at 10:58 pm

          Irrelevant?! It’s exactly the same topic. The blood libel, which you just personally engaged in. That’s why I call Mohammed al Dura Little Saint Mohammed. Because what’s the difference between him and Little Saint Hugh?

All three of them look like bond villains.

“My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas running in parallel.”

This would be like having made a distinction between the Allies’ war on Germany and its war against the Nazi party. Could Putin make war specifically against the political parties here, and a separate war against the United States of America? Unfortunately, the leadership is the country, because people get the leadership they deserve.

But in the Gaza situation, is there a “Gazan armed forces” against which Israel is fighting, other than Hamas? Is there a political leadership that has been targeted in Gaza other than Hamas? I would posit that Hamas is both the Gazan armed forces and its political leadership. There are not two conflicts “running in parallel.” This is a political sop meant to paint the people of Gaza (and their imaginary government) as victims of Hamas and Israel.

    BartE in reply to DaveGinOly. | May 21, 2024 at 5:52 am

    Its objectively the case that the people of Palestine are victims. Its not really debateable that war crimes have been committed by Israel but its also the case that Israel has the right to self defence. The issue is how they have conducted the war which they are at least partly responsible for.

      Milhouse in reply to BartE. | May 21, 2024 at 7:03 am

      No, it is not debatable; it’s absolute bollocks, and the mere accusation is antisemitic.

      That Israel has not so far conducted the war with the same ferocity that the Allies did in WW2 has been foolish, and has frittered away the initial advantage it had. If it had done so it would have been completely within its rights, and the war could have been over in a week, with at least 100,000 genuine noncombatant casualties, not these fake numbers that only antisemitic shills quote as if they were true.

        BartE in reply to Milhouse. | May 21, 2024 at 9:15 am

        1. ‘It is not debatable’ – no, it’s not debatable, its been demonstrated over and over again. Collective punishment is a war crime, there is no debate that Israel cut of the power and supplies to Gaza, its also not debatable that entire residential areas have been levelled. Deliberate targeting of civilians.
        2. ‘Mere accusation is anti-semitic’ No it is not, your trying to say that Israel by virtue of who knows what is immune to criticism. This is just a silly thing to say. In fact you are doing a disservice to genuine examples of anti Semitism, your gifting those who hate Jews with a narrative that you think you can do whatever you want without consequence. The Jewish community should absolutely be protected from acts of hate but not given special privileges to commit crimes. Do better.
        3. You can argue over the death count sure but you cant argue over the actions which by definition are war crimes. This is inescapable. Your argument here appears to be that because a smaller number were victims then somehow that is ok. Doesn’t work like that.
        4. The fact that Israel could have been more ‘ferocious’ isn’t an argument. Try that one in court i’m sure that will excuse any and all crimes /s

          ahad haamoratsim in reply to BartE. | May 21, 2024 at 11:04 am

          You’re either using terms you don’t understand or you’re willfully misapplying them.

          BartE in reply to BartE. | May 21, 2024 at 11:42 am

          @ahad haamoratsim

          Actually that would be Milhouses position attempting to expand the definition of anti Semitism to make it essentially meaningless.

          ahad haamoratsim in reply to BartE. | May 22, 2024 at 4:52 am

          “ let me give you a scenario that might help.

          There are five dry cleaners in your town. You’ve tried them all and are unhappy with all of them. Four of them are owned by Muslim immigrants from the Middle East, and all four are horrible—they overcharge you, they lose your clothes, they never have your clothes ready on time, they rarely get stains out and never offer a refund. The fifth dry cleaner is owned by Orthodox Jews. That dry cleaner’s prices are lower than the other four, they never lose your clothes and always have them ready on time.

          Last week, that Orthodox Jew-owned dry cleaner failed to get a mustard stain out of your favorite shirt and would not give you a refund. So you wrote a scathing Yelp review of the Orthodox Jew-owned dry cleaner, something you have never, ever done for the other four dry cleaners over your many dissatisfied years of going to them with your clothing. If that is not enough, in addition to leaving the bad Yelp review, you also attend massive demonstrations in your town in support of the four Muslim dry cleaners, blaming their incompetence and failures on the Orthodox Jew-owned dry cleaner. Also, you chant “From the dry cleaning fluid to the fur storage area” over and over outside the Orthodox Jew-owned dry cleaner.”

          Worth reading in full (btw not written by a Jew).
          https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/do-you-actually-hate-jews

          BartE in reply to BartE. | May 22, 2024 at 8:11 am

          @ahad haamoratsim

          Disanalogous hypotheticals aren’t really an argument are they. You seem to be hell bent on avoiding addressing the actual issues which is that Israel has committed war crimes. You seem to think that the evils committed by Hamas gives Israel carte blanch to do whatever it likes to the Palestinian population at large. It doesn’t.

          Again, I look forward to you actually addressing the points made and not deflecting for all your worth. To top it off you cite Cynical Publicus who is a bit of a moron citing other war crimes as mitigation for Israel’s own war crimes isn’t an argument its an admission.

          I suggest you think a little harder about your comments, they are full of rhetoric and short on argument.

          ahad haamoratsim in reply to BartE. | May 22, 2024 at 9:37 am

          If you would bother to read the article and look at the author’s detailed analysis, based in part on his decades of experience in the Middle East and familiarity with both the cultures and history of the area, you would quickly see that it is far from a disingenuous analogy.

          But you can’t be bothered. You prefer to cling to your ignorant misconceptions and wonder why people suspect the motives behind your and the ICC’s patent double standards and assertion of a non-existent and extra legal jurisdiction.

          BartE in reply to BartE. | May 22, 2024 at 1:18 pm

          @ahad haamoratsim

          I read the article, it was clearly written by a moron and doesn’t engage with the issues at all.

          You claim my view is a misconception yet fail at every turn to provide any, and I mean any, meaningful rebuttal. You’ve wholesale avoided the point. You have said nothing of substance at all.

          ahad haamoratsim in reply to BartE. | May 22, 2024 at 3:16 pm

          Actually the argument that a defendant used less force than is legally justified and authorized under the circumstances is a pretty good defense to a charge of excessive force.

          BartE in reply to BartE. | May 23, 2024 at 12:01 am

          @ahad haamoratsim

          How is this a response to collective punishment.

          It’s also pretty debatable given the blockades, high use of force that you could consider the IDFs response minimal in any way.

I’ll be the 1st to say it: Mossad did not assassinate ICC prosecutor Khan.

destroycommunism | May 20, 2024 at 4:33 pm

blmplo cannot coexist with humanity as their whole identity is built around

the need to crush freedom

texansamurai | May 20, 2024 at 8:29 pm

regret that am not a speaker of hebrew–nevertheless, how would ” kiss my ass ” be stated in the same ?

If the warrant is issued, Israel should announce that any attempt to enforce it will be treated as literally an act of war, and will bring on a military response.

“Including Hamas leaders is a cover because we all know the ICC only wants to target Israel.”

Errr no, all criminals should be held to account on both sides.

    Milhouse in reply to BartE. | May 21, 2024 at 6:58 am

    Except that there are no criminals on the Israeli side.

    And we do know that the ICC’s only interest is in targeting Israel, because it is an antisemitic organization just like the rest of the UN.

    In any case the ICC has no jurisdiction over Israel. Israel is not a signatory to the Treaty of Rome so it’s not bound by it; it has not consented to be judged by the ICC, so who exactly are these clowns to issue any “warrant”?

    There is no world government, there is no world legislature, so there are no laws that bind sovereign countries in the sense that a country’s laws bind those within its jurisdiction. “International law” is simply the conventions that most countries voluntarily choose to abide by most of the time, because they perceive it to be in their interest to do so and to be seen to do so. Israel has not only been strictly adhering to all of these, it has been foolishly over-adhering to them; but that is entirely its business and nobody else’s. And tomorrow morning it could decide to stop doing so.

      BartE in reply to Milhouse. | May 21, 2024 at 11:47 am

      “Except that there are no criminals on the Israeli side.” Demonstrably false, given the collective punishment

      “And we do know that the ICC’s only interest is in targeting Israel, because it is an antisemitic organization just like the rest of the UN.” No, only in accordance with your redefined version. A version which has no actual meaning

      “In any case the ICC has no jurisdiction over Israel. Israel is not a signatory to the Treaty of Rome so it’s not bound by it; it has not consented to be judged by the ICC, so who exactly are these clowns to issue any “warrant”?”
      Sure the ICC cant enforce it but its a political disaster to Israel to be the aggressor, its damaged Israel and its prospects

      “Israel has not only been strictly adhering to all of these, it has been foolishly over-adhering to them; but that is entirely its business and nobody else’s. And tomorrow morning it could decide to stop doing so.” Objectively false

      “There is no world government, there is no world legislature, so there are no laws that bind sovereign countries in the sense that a country’s laws bind those within its jurisdiction. “International law” is simply the conventions ” The same can be said for any law. The question is of enforcement, the enforcement is different in the international context. In Israelis case its likely a diplomatic issue. Still it means that its trickier travel wise potentially for some in Israel

        ahad haamoratsim in reply to BartE. | May 22, 2024 at 12:29 am

        You are confusing collective punishment with civilian casualties and the legitimate conduct of war. Whether this is due to malice, ignorance or stupidity I don’t know and don’t care.

        Perhaps you should tell us about the ‘collective punishment’ of German & Japanese civilians during the bombings of Berlin and Tokyo.

          “You are confusing collective punishment with civilian casualties and the legitimate conduct of war.”

          No I am not, cutting of the power and supplies to a region is by definition collective punishment.

          “Perhaps you should tell us about the ‘collective punishment’ of German & Japanese civilians during the bombings of Berlin and Tokyo.”

          There were many controversies at the end of WWII that helped prompt the west in creating things like the Geneva convention. and the context of a world war isn’t exactly comparable to a regional conflict between a terrorist state and a major regional power is it. You seem rather prone to citing other crimes that are difficult to justify as if that mitigates Israel’s crimes. Again this isn’t much of an argument.

    Manamana in reply to BartE. | May 21, 2024 at 7:05 am

    In a perfect world, perhaps.

    Meantime, where’re the laws written down that Hamas agreed to? Or Israel?

    Meanwhile, the UN to this date still has not condemned any aspect of October 7.

    People forget — America essentially ruled the world after WWII when the UN was formed.

    What the UN has devolved in to ……… was unimaginable to those, like Eleanor Roosevelt, who wrote the original rules, etc.

    They meant well, but they were naive—obviously.

    A small minority, among them Senator Robert Taft, of Ohio, predicted that in time the UN and unagreed-upon, unwritten “international law” would sooner or later be weaponized by an axis of tyrants and despots …… exactly as we are witnessing today.

    Serious question for BartE:

    If a couple of Chicago street gangs were to hold a trial tomorrow and decide that BartE needs to sign over 67% of all past and future income, would that court or that ruling have any validity?

      BartE in reply to Manamana. | May 21, 2024 at 11:51 am

      “Meantime, where’re the laws written down that Hamas agreed to? Or Israel?” Israel signed onto the Geneva convention, and laws tend to apply whether you sign onto them or not

      “Meanwhile, the UN to this date still has not condemned any aspect of October 7.”
      Objectively false https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142012

      “People forget — America essentially ruled the world after WWII when the UN was formed.” Not clear to me what relevance no matter how simplistic that claim is.

      “If a couple of Chicago street gangs were to hold a trial tomorrow and decide that BartE needs to sign over 67% of all past and future income, would that court or that ruling have any validity?”

      Your statement is absurd, the ICC isn’t a Chicago street gang, this is you seeking special treatment for Israel. They have committed war crimes own it.

        Manamana in reply to BartE. | May 21, 2024 at 12:18 pm

        South Africa has much more in common with Chicago street gang than anything that we would ordinarily associate with “legitimate” or “government.” They openly chant for “Death To The Boers” etc.

        Tell us, BartE, if Hamas took your children hostage, would you not try to find time in your busy schedule to find them?

        Neither the US nor Israel ever agreed to ICC jurisdiction. No more than you have ever agreed to Chicago street gang jurisdiction.

        The Geneva agreemens, like the U.S. constitution, is not a suicide pact.

        If hostage-takers do not wish to be attacked, hostage-takers can release their hostages. It’s been that way for thousands of years.

          BartE in reply to Manamana. | May 21, 2024 at 2:56 pm

          South africa isn’t the ICC. Nor is it equivalent to Chicago Street gangs.

          Israel has agreed to the Geneva Convention , the US is more complicated in that it has signed but not ratified some parts of the convention. Partly becuase the US has always tried to hold itself above international law.

          It’s also the case that whether or not Israel has signed up it’s a very serious charge to be accused of war crimes and unfortunately for you the ICC despite your moronic comparison cruelly carries some weight. This is also helped by the indisputable facts of the case. It’s not really a question of whether Israel committed war crimes but how that balances with its right to self defence.

          Your statement aren’t really saying anything. Murder has been around for thousands of years, slavery is a thing. Those aren’t questions the question is whether the law finds Israel guilty and that’s pretty much a given, goven the facts.

        ahad haamoratsim in reply to BartE. | May 22, 2024 at 9:40 am

        “ No I am not, cutting of the power and supplies to a region is by definition collective punishment.”

        BS. Not to mention, the charge of cutting off supplies is BS in itself; Eid coming into Gaza has actually increased since the beginning of the war, bunch of it furnished directly by Israel. And much of the aid that has come in has been stolen by enemy combat, which is itself sufficient Grounds for refusal to admit the aid, yet Israel admits the aid anyway. Apparently there is no end to your lies.

BartE: Please stop firing rockets into Israel. And please release hostages, especially the children.

Not one person residing in Gaza on October 6 would have been harmed if the attack of October 7 hadn’t been carried out.

Please release the hostages, and then let’s live side by side. Peacefully. Productively. Joyfully. Respectfully.

If you would be willing to stop attacking, stop raping , stop murdering and stop taking hostages, I am reasonably certain that that would be a positive first step.

    BartE in reply to Manamana. | May 21, 2024 at 5:04 pm

    Ahhh I see so when you run out of bullshit you just resort to bare face lying about your interlocutor. Not exactly a winning move is it.

    “Not one person residing in Gaza on October 6 would have been harmed if the attack of October 7 hadn’t been carried out.” Do you know how many Palestinians have died in previous years, in 2018 over 30,000 died. The human cost in civilians has been horrendous for years

    https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/

      ahad haamoratsim in reply to BartE. | May 22, 2024 at 12:33 am

      “ It’s not really a question of whether Israel committed war crimes”
      Those are the first (so far only) words that you have posted during this discussion. You don’t really care whether Israel committed war crimes or not.

      ahad haamoratsim in reply to BartE. | May 22, 2024 at 9:53 am

      Now tell us how many of those “civilians“ were killed in armed attacks against the IDF, is really civilians, or Israeli police, and how many were killed during deliver it incursions across the border (both armed and unarmed, but given covered to those who are armed) such as the 2018March of return.“

      you seem to think that numbers proof something all by themselves regardless of the reasons behind those numbers. But those criteria, the axis, and the central powers were the victims of the two world wars.

      You have committed so many category errors In this thread that any meaningful discussion is impossible.

If youall would stop the kidnapping, and the killing, then there would be no need for military campaigns against you.

Youall kill your parents and then demand sympathy because of your status as orphans.

Over the years you have really elevated this strategy to an art form.

Bless your heart BartE, please let us know what you would do if your loved ones were kidnapped by an organization that is sworn , in writing, in public, to your annihilation.

BartE: The month of May is so lovely in most parts of the world, don’t you agree?

All I’m suggesting is give peace a chance.

Stop the kidnapping
Stop firing the rockets
Stop killing people

Take care.

Reminder:

Terms like “holocaust” and “crimes against humanity” and “genocide” were never meant to be debatable. Or subtle things, subject to lawyerly debates.

If a couple of thugs break into your home and shoot you and your family, it’s awful and tragic but it’s not a genocide nor a holocaust nor is it a crime against humanity for which the National government should be put on trial.

On the other hand, if your elected rulers organize a force to invade across a border in order to murder , rape , and kidnap, that’s an act of war.

Whatever else you decide to call it, that’s an act of war.

I think you could argue persuasively that it would be a war crime if Netanyahu and Gallant did NOT prosecute this war until it’s completion.

Overall, my sense is that people like Sinwar and Amal Clooney and others still do not believe that Israelis mean it when they say “Never again.”

Evidently, they and others still believe that they can just casually go ahead and kill Jews and kidnap Jews and terrorize Jews — and intellectualize fallacious legal justifications for such things … and then they can just take in the sun on Lake Como without a care in the world, secure in the belief that nary a single adverse consequence will accrue to them. Or to their loved ones.

Idk

I guess we’ll see.

ahad haamoratsim | May 22, 2024 at 3:12 pm

Not that it will matter to the likes of @Bart.E, but in the past 7 days alone Israel has sent 1250 truckloads of aid to Gazans and 200 to the UN. The UN as sent zero. https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2024/05/idf-1250-truckloads-of-aid-this-week-to.html?m=1

Why is the aid backed up? Because Egypt is blocking it at Rafah crossing. (Same link.)

And of course the pier that the U.S. built with Israeli cooperation was attacked by -who else – Hamas. Yeah, I’m shocked too.

But BartE says it’s indisputable that Israel is committing war crimes by keeping out food.

All of which demonstrates another of EOZ’s observations:

‘Accusing Zionists of “whataboutism” is another way of saying “Yes, we really do have different standards for Jews than for everyone else.” ‘