Arizona Grand Jury Indicts Giuliani, Meadows, and Other Trump Allies in 2020 Election Probe
The indictment identifies Trump as “Unindicted Coconspirator 1.”
An Arizona grand jury indicted 11 Republican electors and seven attorneys and aides for allegedly trying to subvert Biden’s victory in 2020.
After the general election on November 3, 2020, Defendants raised false claims of widespread election fraud in Arizona to pressure election officials to change the outcome of a democratic election. Those efforts failed when the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, Secretary of State, and Governor certified Arizona’s election. Republican Presidential Elector Defendants then voted for President Donald Trump and Vice President Michael Pence on December 14, 2020, falsely claiming to be the “duly elected and qualified Electors for President and Vice President of the United States from the State of Arizona.”
The charges are:
- COUNT 1: CONSPIRACY, a Class 2 Felony, in violation of A.R.S. § 13-1003
- COUNT 2: FRAUDULENT SCHEMES AND ARTIFICES, a Class 2 Felony, in violation of A.R.S. §13-2310(A)
- COUNT 3: FRAUDULENT SCHEMES AND PRACTICES, a Class 5 Felony, in violation of A.R.S. § 13-2311
- COUNTS 4-9: FORGERY, Class 4 Felonies, in violation of A.R.S. § 13-2002(A)
The electors who allegedly signed false paperwork giving Trump the win (all face charges on counts 1-9):
- Tyler Bowyer, an executive with Turning Point USA and a committeeman for the Republican National Committee
- Nancy Cottle, who chaired the Arizona Trump electors
- State Sen. Jake Hoffman, R-Queen Creek
- State Sen. Anthony Kern, R-Glendale
- Jim Lamon, former U.S. Senate candidate
- Robert Montgomery, former chair of the Cochise County Republican Committee
- Samuel Moorhead, a former leader of the Gila County Republican Party
- Loraine Pellegrino, the secretary of the Arizona Trump electors
- Greg Safsten, former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party
- Kelli Ward, former chair of the Arizona Republican Party
- Michael Ward, her husband and a GOP activist
The attorneys and aides are redacted in the indictment. The Washington Post said the redacted “include former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, attorneys Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, John Eastman and Christina Bobb, top campaign adviser Boris Epshteyn and former campaign aide Mike Roman.”
The descriptions make the redacted identities obvious. We’re not stupid. For example, an attorney known as “the Mayor” is Giuliani (page 21).
The attorneys and aides allegedly helped devise a strategy to help Trump win Arizona.
The indictment identifies Trump as “Unindicted Coconspirator 1.”
“Defendants deceived the citizens of Arizona by falsely claiming that those votes were contingent only on a legal challenge that would change the outcome of the election,” according to the indictment. “In reality, Defendants intended that their false votes for Trump-Pence would encourage Pence to reject the Biden-Harris votes on January 6, 2021, regardless of the outcome of the legal challenge.”
The Arizona prosecutors met with Kenneth Chesebro, “who pleaded guilty pleaded guilty in Georgia in October to a single felony count of participating in a conspiracy to file false documents,” to get more information.
Chesebro gave Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes information about the alleged Arizona scheme, including some information that had never been seen before.
Michigan and Nevada prosecutors have also charged alleged fake Republican electors.
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Kris Mayes may be crap as an actual AG, but she’s on top of all the lawfare.
How stupid are these people. It just makes things more obvious that they stole the election.
Obvious in what way? There has been any evidence of fraud in Bidens favour in the 2020 election. This has been demonstrated over and over again by multiple parties. Parties including: Trumps own white house lawyers, the DoJ, the elections chief, individual state investigations, multiple court cases including cases where the lawyers couldn’t actually present evidence or presented reports so inept they stated the wrong jurisdiction, Trump supporters who made $5m out of Mike lindells attempt to prove election machine issues, the Trump employed research company.
The only people who believe there was fraud benefiting biden are those wilfully ignoring the complete lack of evidence and grifters profiting from there gullibility.
You mean court cases where they were not allowed to present evidence? The elections chiefs who are most likely to be party to the fraud, the DoJ which hated the candidate in question, parties like that?
You want to believe so badly that it couldn’t happen here. But we did not have an honest election. I doubt this country ever has. The only question is not was there fraud, but what was the margin of fraud?
As long as there is no need to prove who you are and drop boxes are used and election day is turned in to election months there will never be an honest election where fraud does not play a role in determining the outcome.
True, but irrelevant to this topic.
Except that the number of votes tally with the registers, and the ballots issued didn’t have issues. Your going to have to do a lot better than that
“You mean court cases where they were not allowed to present evidence?”
Actually they were, there were a number of issues 1. You aren’t allowed hearsay, its shite evidence 2. The ‘forensic’ reports written by the Trump team were error strewn clown shows 3. What evidence lol still waiting for that kraken 4. You cant present evidence you don’t have, making up stuff is the reason multiple lawyers quit on Trump rather than lie to the courts which is why lawyers like Rudi have/are being disbarred
“The elections chiefs who are most likely to be party to the fraud”
Sure buddy, say whatever lowers that cognitive dissonance of yours
“the DoJ which hated the candidate in question”
It was run by Bill Barr a Trump stooge a man who would vote Trump even if he was a convicted criminal, even if in a court of law he would be shown to have tried to steal the election.
You mean like the admission by the GA Elections Board in 2022 that fraud occurred in Fulton County.
http://www.senatorligon.com/THE_FINAL%20REPORT.PDF
Senator Ligon, the guy who narrowly escaped prosecution despite being indicted lol
“Among those who gave testimony was Tony Burrison of Savannah, whose criticisms of the Chatham County vote had already been dismissed by Superior Court Judge James Bass.”
“His committee star witnesses, Rudy Guliani, John Eastman, were both indicted on multiple counts of conspiracy and racketeering charges by the Fulton County District Attorney.”
A partisan hack promoting long debunked nonsense isnt much of an argument
Actual it was an army of people that that proved there was fraud in Michigan that were paid zero. Simple facts that Wayne county Michigan had over 60 k people registered to vote that exceeded the census voting population of voting age population. That people were caught with money cards, guns and fake voter registration and never end followed up on. Machines flipped votes and people had sworn affidavit’s that there were ballots showing up at last minutes. That EOBs were threatened if they did not certify. NGOs like Tides and 81 B from BLM feed the machine to pay for the steal.
With the new Defense authorization Bill there is Billions more in for the 2024 steal. The level of steal goes all the way down to local level school board with the assistance of national Teacher Unions and League of Women voters. It is “obvious” if u look.
The cover up is massive. I have personally looked at voter patterns in 4 counties in Michigan and the inconsistency warrant investigating, but instead were ignored. Watch the 4 hours on line of the vote certification for Fulton county GA and u would come to a different conclusion about it not being obvious.
“over 60 k people registered to vote that exceeded the census voting population of voting age population” Nope this was never demonstrated
“That people were caught with money cards, guns and fake voter registration and never end followed up on” The only proven claims were with respect to Republican voters
“I have personally looked at voter patterns in 4 counties in Michigan and the inconsistency warrant investigating, but instead were ignored. Watch the 4 hours on line of the vote certification for Fulton county GA and u would come to a different conclusion about it not being obvious”
Its more likely that your seeing patterns that aren’t there, given that MAGA wingnuts thought that a spike in votes from Democrat voting habits was somehow evidence of fraud it doesn’t exactly give confidence that MAGA have the intellect to determine a genuine instance of fraud. Every single time it turns out to be BS or even worse that its a MAGA voter who was the fraud!
“The cover up is massive” Take the tinfoil hat from over your eyes, you’ll do better
“Machines flipped votes and people had sworn affidavit’s that there were ballots showing up at last minutes” This was never demonstrated, in fact the expert testimony was that not only did this not happen but the fuckwits probably broke the law, fucked up chain of custody and forced the expense of new voting machines in there quest to prove the figments of there own imagination.
“That EOBs were threatened if they did not certify. NGOs like Tides and 81 B from BLM feed the machine to pay for the steal”
Making stuff up isnt much of an argument is it
https://twitter.com/Real_RobN/status/1783490250339504264
Ah yes a twitter post on Dominion, How did that go in court again. Jesus christ keep up with the news
If they won the election without stealing it, there is no reason for them to do stupid shit like this.
21 downvotes. Is that a new record for you, dingus?
Your stupidity is only eclipsed by your illiteracy.
When it comes to Trump and Trump-related issues downvotes is an excellent truth barometer.
On a site like this, that’s a vote of confidence. 21 ignorant people
That’s not how it works around here little fella 😂😂
This is coming up nearly 3.5 years later why? 2024 election interference.
Because cheseborough pled guilty in Georgia and as a result was required to cooperate. Presumably this tipped the evidence into indictment territory. Of course the public record alone is pretty damning so it’s more surprising its taken so long.
They still could have brought all of this a long time ago. In fact, they could have announced all of these at the time the other cases were announced. Why mist you continue to be obtuse as to what is going on here?
Mayes only took office last year. Her R predecessor wasn’t going to bring the case.
For very good reason, there is no case to answer.
“They still could have brought all of this a long time ago” Sure but without his evidence, your aren’t addressing the point are you.
Michigan is doing the same thing.
tl:dr — You can run all you want, so long as you don’t try to win.
“As long as you don’t commit fraud”
There fixed that for you
What’s truly funny about your post Bart is that this is coming from a Democrat 😂😂😂
That’s right because only Leftists can commit fraud.
I am convinced the left commits 70% of all crime. This is based on exit interviews from prison releases.
Where was the “fraud,” dumb-ass?
Post specific examples.
And learn how to use proper punctuation.
Jesse Morgan’s Testimony That He Moved More Than 200,000 Fraudulent Ballots from NY to PA Before the 2020 Election. The investigator Tony Shaffer was shut down by Bar himself
1.8,000-12,000 suspicious voter registration applications were turned into City of Muskegon Clerk Ann Meisch by GBI Strategies. The state AG turned them over to the FBI (the black hole)
2. Board Supervisor Voted Against Certifying 2020 Election Because Signature Verifications Were NOT Performed on 147,000 in Georgia
3. Georgia Supreme Court agreed that VoterGA had standing in its request to audit the 147,000 absentee ballots in Fulton County from the 2020 Election. The rulling was in 2023 and todate no one has been able to audit the mailed in ballots that were pristine with no folds. The are thousands of ballots at the GBI evidence storage under lock and key….why?
This is just the tip. The election was stolen. This dont include election interference by the main stream media, social media, former intelligence officials and the courts changing election law.
Multiple states with fake electors, do try to keep up.
Just don’t mention 2000 or 2016.
Why did anyone try to commit a crime on the basis of the claim of election fraud *gets popcorn
If ending election fraud was actually the goal here then EVERY Democrat who has ever run for office would be jailed for their part in denying every election loss ever.
However ending election fraud is not the objective here.
The objective is to imprison Biden’s political enemies any way they can.
“Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday.”
Note the date: 26 Sept 2019
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html
Hillary Clinton, in an interview that aired Monday on NPR, said she “would not” rule out questioning the legitimacy of the 2016 election if Russian interference is deeper than currently known.
The comment, a remarkable step for the former Democratic nominee, exemplifies Clinton’s belief that President Donald Trump and his campaign could have knowingly received help from Russian operatives in the 2016 election.
And….
The stunning revelation that lawyers for the Hillary Clinton campaign paid a computer technology company to surveil a sitting president, Donald Trump, shows that more than half a dozen crimes may have been committed to advance the false accusation that he colluded with Russia.
And broke all security laws by having private, near public servers that had the security of a baby lying in the middle of the highway.
Remember, it’s different when *they* do it.
How ’bout the 2006 WA governor’s election, where random boxes of ballots were miraculously found in the trunks of election officials’ cars which he had just “forgot about”, and the 2000 more votes thsn registered voters which were cast and counted as legit in King County?
Anyone who is positive that the 2020 result was completely legit and fraud-free should welcome a full, complete investigation to prove us “tin-hatters” wrong. That they refuse even any questioning, never mind investigation, only makes us more suspicious.
In court, the refusal to produce documents is taken to mean that evidence would support the other side in the dispute.
Never understood why nobody challenged what were obviously fraudulent shenanigans. And don’t count on the USSC. They utterly flubbed their duties and responsibilities after 2020.
It is sad that the entity intended to be impartial and keep the Government honest refused to do so. Chief “Justice” Roberts has a lot to answer for!
I would love to see/hear the vote on denial of cert that Roberts so vigorously lobbied for. Ir would tell us how many honest Justices we have.
Alternate electors
Anybody else notice the timing? How convenient. It’s designed to intimidate the electors in the next election.
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How would indicting non-electors for fraud and forgery intimidate real electors? Please explain that thought process. Does jailing police impersonators scare cops in some way that I can’t figure out?
Currently 7 downvotes with no response. Big surprise there.
As compared to not indicting a fraudulently “elected” pResident for fraud and forgery to intimidate anyone that runs against Democrats?
Or creating persecutions out of whole cloth?
Or burying real prosecutable evidence because it is a Biden?
Or refusing to allow evidence before the end of an election, when it would be useful, or claiming that nobody, no citizen, has “standing?”
Or using security free methods of voting, e.g. mail in ballots, that even the Third World laughs at? P.S.: the “pandemic” is over; why are these fraudulent procedures still in place?
Why are illegals allowed to be registered to vote by giving them free driver’s licenses?
Why does obvious fraud, e.g. “found” boxes of ballots, ALWAYS favor Democrats?
Why are leftist run cities like Bridgeport CT never able to print enough ballots, so they can stay open past the voting deadline (a joke in itself) so that the Dem machiine can figure out how many votes it needs to “find” to defeat a Republican challenger for governor?
Why are Democrats so visibly and demonstrably corrupt, and project their crimes on the other party?
Not a single letter addressed the questions I asked.
It’s also designed to intimidate any lawyer thinking about helping the GOP bring any election claims for the upcoming election.
doesn’t matter
Trump will win quite handily
the media knows this but to admit it would be bad for biz
Totally speculative conclusion about Trump winning, for at least 3 reasons. We have no way of knowing whether a lawfare conviction helps or hurts him. Biden will refuse to debate a “Convicted Felon” and the MSM will call him that night and day. Then, there may be 5 points not in the polls for Biden from “ballot harvesting”. Adjusted for that, the poll numbers in the swing states are quite unclear. Finally, it is possible that, by the Dem Convention, Hamas student riots make Biden’s position untenable (like LBJ in 1968) and he withdraws for a Newsom or Michelle, creating a total “wild card” situation.
And that doesn’t count the RINO resignations to turn House control over to the Democrats so they can refuse to certify the vote.
Refusing the certify the results would be a problem even Democrats should be keen to avoid.
My bets are in for Whitmer who worked the steal and protected a bankrupt vax company to stock pile vaxes for the Army to the tune of almost 1 B.
Don’t be overconfident.
We will destroy democracy to save it, and create a “democraic” fascist state.
The nice thing about Democratic Socialism is that you only need the “Democratic” part of it to come out in your favor just the one time, and then you have a permanently Socialist State.
FL should indict Al Gore and all of his advisors for their 2000 claims.
GA should indict Stacey Abrams
Every State should indict Hillary, who still claims 2016 was “stolen”.
D’s, who go on and on about “threats to Democracy” are literally destroying our Republic with cases like this.
Legally challenging election results is not a crime. Unlike in the above examples of D’s doing the same thing, there was an enormous amount of documented voter fraud in AZ in 2020.
Holding people accountable for there criminal actions is an important component of a democracy especially when that crime is literally to try and subvert the election in favour of a dictator. Your statements are pretty poorly thought out
This only works when the laws are enforced equally regardless of political view.
Democrats only going after their political enemies is not an example of laws being blindly enforced that you think it is sweetie 😂😂
Dictator? Biden is the one who ignores laws and court decisions to impose his vote-buying schemes.
There was no crime here.
These AZ and MI electors followed the precedent set by D’s in Hawaii in 1960 – which was tested and upheld in Federal Court, with the Judge praising them for empanelling their alternate electors prior to the Constitutional deadline and BEFORE the legal challenges to the election played out.
And, you also missed my point entirely on the fact that only R’s get indicted, and for doing things precisely the same as D’s have done.
“Your statements are pretty poorly thought out”
Imagine the hubris and irony of a known idiot and genetic defective who would post something like this.
“Dictator!”
So ironic, coming from a subject of His Majesty… either that, or learn to spell “favor” properly.
Florida should first extend the statute of limitations for that 2000, and THEN indict Algore and all his advisors for their 2000 claims.
They should also indict Bill Clinton for his ‘election fraud’ after he paid Paula Jones $800k for her ‘silence.’…after then extend the statute of limitations for that crime as well.
There’s no crime here. Having an alternate slate of electors in case a vote is overturned is standard practice. (Florida did it during the Bush v Gore fiasco.)
Democrats have decided that election “denial” is now the most heinous crime anyone can commit, especially if it’s after an election they have “won”.
Prove it.
There were multiple slates of elector candidates and, once the court cases were over, the Republican candidates were appointed as electors. The other elector candidates never voted and never sent fraudulent vote tallies to Congress.
Funny, I don’t see anyone going after the electors who decided to vote how they wanted to vote and not how their State voted.
That seems to be an issue that Democrats would surely be interested in stamping out right?
There is no issue. Electors have the Constitutional authority to vote for anyone they want. If they vote contrary to the way they’re “supposed” to then they’re called “faithless” electors.
There are some states that hamstring electors by weaseling around the Constitution. Arizona’s law is a good example:
The only reason to write it like that is so that you “aren’t really dictating the elector’s vote.”
Well then you’ll equally have no issue with an alternate slate of electors as this too doe not break any laws.
mailman,
Only the state can appoint electors. No other group has that authority including the Shriners, Freemasons, NFL, PTA, Democratic Party, Green Party, Libertarian Party, or the Republican Party.
Anyone that hasn’t been appointed by the state as an elector, but signs votes stating that they are has committed perjury, forgery, and vote fraud which are all illegal.*
* Actually I wonder if vote fraud in the Electoral College has never been made illegal simply because no one else has ever been stupid enough to try it.
“Prove it”? He did. Florida 2000 did the same.
Proving it requires providing evidence that in 2000 in FL “extra” electoral votes were cast, certified, and sent to Congress. He did not provide it and I can’t find any evidence of that.
This was already proven in Federal Court after the alternate electors were empaneled in Hawaii following the 1960 election.
Not only did Federal Courts uphold the practice, they praised it.
The issue is: there is a Constitutional deadline to empanel Electors, but the legal challenges and recounts following a contested election can drag on well past that deadline. So, if your a Party wins a recount / legal challenge, but has not empaneled Electors that State’s electoral votes would not get counted. Therefore, in any such case, BOTH Parties can/should empanel their own slates of electors. Which slate actually votes is then determined by the recounts/law suits.
The only way there would be any violation of law here is if an Elector voted against a candidate he was empaneled to support, based on the State’s votes. This actually happened, multiple times, after the 2016 election – with RINO R electors refusing to vote for Trump in States where he won. Note that NONE of these electors were prosecuted.
There are significant differences between this and the Hawaii incident. The most important and insurmountable are that the alternate electors in 1960 acted in concert with the rest of the government, were officially appointed after the recount completed, the Governor issued a new certificate of ascertainment, and their votes were transmitted by the Governor to Congress. These idiots went off and did it all on their own. If this is allowed to stand then it is okay for anyone to certify themselves as an elector and transmit fake electoral votes to Congress and then Congress would have to sort through millions of bogus documents before certifying the Electoral College winners.
Electors voting as they wish is Constitutional. Your claim about the lack of prosecution is incorrect. The “faithless” electors from Washington were fined, Texas correctly has no law binding electors, and Hawaii’s laws don’t prescribe any punishment for voting ‘wrong’.
An alternate slate of electors appointed by Republicans seems to be following the appropriate process that magically your now all for 😂😂 Except when it’s used by Republicans…which I’m not at all surprised at your reluctance to approve 😂😂
mailman,
Only the state can appoint electors. No other group has that authority including the Shriners, Freemasons, NFL, PTA, Democratic Party, Green Party, Libertarian Party, or the Republican Party.
And meanwhile Trump is on trial in New York over a swollen erection.
He’s on trial for consensual sex. As we know Democrats sure aren’t big on consensual sex!
Like the “fraud” that never happened, where the supposedly defrauded parties testified they were satisfied with the business deal they made with Trump, there is no “hush money” because the person supposedly hushed up has signed an affidavit there was nothing to hush up.
And if suppressing a news story is a crime, red state prosecutors need to indict Biden over the burial of the Hunter laptop story — for a start!
No, he’s not on trial for sex. Like his buddy Bill Clinton he’s on trial for lying about it.
I couldn’t resist giving a thumbs up to the alliteration “swollen erection”.
Hard to lie about something where everyone involved says the thing Democrats said happen didn’t happen 😂😂
The whore and her lawyer conspired to extort Trump with a made up story (correspondence between the two recently published proves this). They waited until he was most vulnerable, when the accusation would do the most harm during the election season.
Trump’s lawyer, on his own initiative, paid them what they wanted for an NDA even though he knew her story was fiction. Trump later paid him back.
All of this was perfectly legal.
The Federal Govt investigated this and determined that no crime had been committed. (the only case where it would have been a crime was if Trump had used campaign $$ to pay the whore, but it was proved that he did not).
The NY case that Bragg has brought has 34 indictments – one for each installment of Trump’s payment to his lawyer. The ludicrous claim is that, because one of Trump’s accountants, without his knowledge, listed these payments (accurately) as “legal expenses” (payments to a lawyer for an NDA are, obviously, legal expenses), this is somehow a felony under NY law.
He’s taken an alleged federal misdemeanor, which the Feds themselves say didn’t happen, and used it to launch a State felony trial.
Note that the charges that Bragg has filed require, under NY law, that the payments he alleges were mis-categorized had to be done so deliberately in order to cover up evidence of a crime. But, there is no underlying crime to be covered up. The NDA was entirely legal.
Insane that this case has not been dismissed yet.
Our legal system is a complete farce.
The double-think and/or hypocrisy is insane. These guys have literally been indicted for mail-in vote fraud and conspiracy to commit the same. You all should be for burying them under the jail.
Drop boxes seem to be a bigger “mail in” fraud issue that would warrant an actual investigation.
Instead of Democrats going after the actual problems with voting integrity they are instead going all in on attacking their political enemies for daring to question the outcome of an election (which by the way is a national past time for Democrats in every single election they have ever lost).
Vote fraud in the Electoral college is exponentially more egregious than state level vote fraud.
They allegedly went so far beyond merely questioning the outcome that they entered the realm of fraud and conspiracy.
This is silly even for you G 😂😂
For this to be true that would then make every Democrat that had ever denied the outcome of a vote criminals as well.
But as we know, these laws only apply to Republicans while Democrats are protecte(D).
You’re not making any sense. These guys are not being charged for denying the outcome.
Show me an incident where non-elector Democrats signed and sent fake electoral votes to Congress AND did not get prosecuted or retract your last statement.
They are very specifically NOT being indicted for vote fraud. Are you mental? They didn’t cast illegal votes in the Arizona election.
They are being indicted for *falsely representing the state of Arizona* to Congress, which they *wouldn’t have been* if the vote had been overturned.
They aren’t accused of vote fraud in the Arizona election. They are accused of vote fraud in the Electoral College.
The Arizona election results were not overturned.
That is not vote fraud. That is falsely representing the state of Georgia. Get your prejudices straight.
Are you being pointlessly pedantic or did you have an actual purpose to your post?
G,
He’s metaphorically slapping you about like a Democrat at a casting call 😂
Georgia re dux!
As far as I can tell, the defendants were following the correct legal procedure. The courts wouldn’t get involved in checking the election so the remaining place was Congress as provided in the Constitution.
The complete procedure is outlined in season 5 of VEEP, where everything that can go wrong in selecting the President does go wrong.
VEEP refers to the comedy TV series? And you’re using that as a reference?
If I recall correctly, Kenneth Chesebro’s plea deal is a diversion(??) like Sidney’s deal, where after the probation period is over, the conviction is wiped from the record and can’t be used for kicking them off the bar and the like. So it’s a lot less than “pled guilty” in any case.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/21/us/politics/chesebro-trump.html
“After his clerkship Mr. Chesebro did not join the government or a big plaintiffs’ firm, as many Gesell protégés did, but moved back to Cambridge and hung out his own shingle. For the next two decades he did occasional work for Mr. Tribe, writing briefs for his mentor.”
Chesebro got turned IMO. He’s depicted in this article as a power whore. What on earth did he offer the crazy red prosecutors?
and thats why the lefts coordinated moves to shut down tixtoxic to the masses will lead to the real goal:
using thatttt precedent ( as illegal as it is)
to shut down the others pov
just like they did during the lefty run covid ( “covert”) operations to control the flow of “Vaccines” aka information
No different than noticing that any success at banning “assault weapons” opens the door to legitimizing banning any/all other weapons.
Great pick Donald.
A grand jury in Arizona has indicted the RNC’s election integrity chief, Christina Boob, on election-related crimes.
Specifically, the indictment includes charges of conspiracy, fraud and forgery.
So I am still unsure why this indictment happened. What was explained to me, by a friend familiar with election law, is that each state has a deadline for picking electors. So suppose you are challenging the results in court and your court date is on the 9th and the deadline is the 9th. If you do not have a slate of electors picked and you win then you have to go ask your opponents electors to vote for you instead. As long as they did not show up wherever they count the electors votes and try to vote I do not see how they committed fraud.
“Alternative Electors.” Not fake. They were assembled in case the result of the AZ election was found to be different than initially thought. It is not unprecedented. In Nixon-Kennedy Hawaii had a set of D electors after it was later determined that JFK won.
When a candidate applies to put their name on a state ballot they designate a set of candidates for the elector positions. When you vote for “John Doe” you are actually voting for that set of candidates. Once the deadline passes one set of candidates become electors and the rest remain non-electors just like everyone else. There’s no need to pick electors if the initial election results are reversed.
That’s basically what these people were indicted for. They claimed they were real electors and submitted votes to Congress.
SDN: You mean like the admission by the GA Elections Board in 2022 that fraud occurred in Fulton County.
The report is the conclusion of the Republican chair of the Georgia chair of the judiciary committee. The report was directly contradicted by the minority report.
MarkSmith: Wayne county Michigan had over 60 k people registered to vote that exceeded the census voting population of voting age population.
That’s not a particularly useful statistic as people who move or die rarely delete their voter registration from their departure residence.
Voter turnout in Wayne County was 61.5%.
ttucker99: So I am still unsure why this indictment happened.
Once a state has certified the election, and all legal avenues have been exhausted, a state has only one legal slate of electors. Trump was counting on Pence to override the electoral vote count, which was not his legal prerogative.
AZ is one of the states that automatically mails out ballots around the state unless the voter specifically requests them to stop. Voters can also circumvent the ID law by depositing a ballot in a drop box before the eleciton. These decisions were made long before the state turned blue and no one seems to remember why.
This could get really interesting.
Remember that the courts deliberately refused to consider (massive) evidence of vote fraud on the grounds or “standing” or “laches”. Now the State has alleged that the claims of fraud were “false”.
The State has the burden of proof of their allegations in a criminal case — and the level is “beyond reasonable doubt”.
I would argue that they have opened the door to the evidence of massive voter fraud by that allegation. “Standing” and “laches” are irrelevant to truth or falsity of allegations, so the issue is going to have to be litigated on the actual merits, with the Government having the burden of proof. The evidence the courts deliberately chose to ignore will now be admissible and come flooding in.
My Civ Pro professor had a quote he attributed to Abe Lincoln something along the line of “Be careful in what you allege, or you may find you have to prove something you cannot prove.”
Popcorn time?
These guys aren’t going to relitigate the election. The prosecutor just needs to prove they weren’t appointed by the state and that they signed and submitted the fake votes.
Prosecutorial claims about how Republicans planned to use the slate of alternate electors are highly speculative and, I believe, completely wrong, in a way that turns the entire case on its head:
“In reality, Defendants intended that their false votes for Trump-Pence would encourage Pence to reject the Biden-Harris votes on January 6, 2021, regardless of the outcome of the legal challenge.”
No, the plan was for Republicans in Congress to invoke the law that allowed the joint session to vote to send suspect slates of electors back to the states for review by the states, asking them to verify whether the slates that were sent in were actually valid and correct.
Democrats claimed that this law was unconstitutional, since it gives Congress the power to interfere with the Constitutionally specified timeline for certification of the election.
I think the law is Constitutional, under the Article IV section 4 guarantee that each state shall have a republican form of government. A election stolen by mass mail-in voter fraud would be an extreme of something that “blocks the current of popular favor” from being properly represented in the election results.
That was Alexander Hamilton’s definition of an unrepublican process, and since the republican guarantee is the only guarantee listed in the Constitution, it logically must take priority over any other constitutional provision that it comes in conflict (such as a mere timetable for certification), or else if fails to be a guarantee.
Whichever way the case would go, if the slate-challenging law had been invoked, Democrats would have sued, and the case would have gone to SCOTUS for adjudication.
Democrats were desperate to prevent that. They were urgent for their election-stealing act to be a fait accompli, to be done and over with, which is why they staged their own Reichstag Fire on January 6th, using hundreds of FBI and CIA plants amongst the pro-Trump crowd (all under the control of Obama loyalists in the intel community) to foment chaos that they then let into the Capitol building and ushered to the House Chamber where the Joint Session was being held, all in order to prevent a normal certification process under normal certification-process rules.
We know this is what actually happened because there is film of colleagues of FBI-plant Ray Epps removing the restricted-area signage and barriers around the capitol and urging protestors forward, of the doors to the Capitol being opened from the inside, and of Capitol Police officers and others, presumably FBI/CIA intel operatives or assets, dressed as Trump supporters, inside the Capitol, coordinating with Capitol Police, before the doors were opened.
These fake Trump supporters then led the real Trump supporters to the House Chamber where they could disrupt the Joint Session. There was also a back up plan, in case the real Trump supporters failed to take the bait laid out by the CIA/FBI false-flag operation.
That was the “discovery” of the fake bombs at Democratic Party headquarters and Republican Party headquarters at about the time that Capitol Police started firing flash bangs and rubber bullets at peaceful Trump supporters at the Capitol, initiating the so-called “riot.”
If the riot did not materialize as planned, the Joint Session could still be called off on account of the bomb threat. Calling off the Joint Session was crucial because it allowed the certification process to continue under special abridged emergency rules that did not afford Republicans a chance to invoke the slate-challenging law.
Thus all the evidence says that there actually was a planned disruption of the Joint Session that was actually carried out on J6, but it was not the work of any Trump supporters, but was all planned and executed by our election-stealing Democrats, to seal the deal on their election stealing gambit.
The current Democrat attempts to criminalize alternate slates of electors opens the door to expose what actually happened on J6: the now massive evidence that it was Democrats, not Republicans, who plotted to disrupt the Joint Session and did disrupt the Joint Session, and that this behavior, along with it’s election-stealing purpose, is all unconstitutional under the guarantee of a republican form of government.
It might even be used to re-open the challenging of the slates that Democrats blocked with their J6th Reichstag Fire.
Of course that Reichstag Fire also had the secondary purpose of framing Republicans for the disruption of Congress that was actually perpetrated by Democrats, initiating the Democrat’s un-republican weaponization of government against their political opponents.
Along with election stealing, weaponization is another primary way to block “the current of popular favor” and violate the republican guarantee. Weaponization tries to remove political opponents from the political process, not letting them organize freely and put forward without obstruction the candidates of their choice.
Thus pursuing a guarantee clause defense regarding J6th would circle back to the present attempt to criminalize alternate slates of electors. Not only was it legitimate to prepare alternate slates of electors in case the states did find that the originals were illegitimate due to un-republican election stealing, but the bringing of the current case is also unrepublican, using a false pretext to attack political opponents, for which the remedy, under the Article IV section 4, should actually be removal of the current AZ governor’s administration, haha.
Other legal arguments should not be neglected, but the guarantee clause goes to the heart of the issue, and it is written to be the highest priority provision in the entire Constitution, the one before which all others must fall, and this priority is fully appropriate.
Our republican system of government is the tree of liberty, and the survival of the tree must take priority over any particular fruit of liberty, because without the tree, all fruits of the tree will be lost in any case.
Don’t scoff at the idea that, if it can be proven that the 2020 election was stolen (I believe that True the Vote already has proven it), then Biden could still be removed from office and his actions undone.
If the Supreme Court comes to know that our republican democracy has indeed been usurped by mass election fraud then it must take whatever steps are necessary to restore republican government, even if the only way to do that would be to remove the usurpers from power. The guarantee of a republican form of government would (and does) demand it.
What about the fact that Article IV section 4 only guarantees that each state shall have a republican form of government? Does that mean that it only bars state governments from being unrepublican in form? Maybe they can’t be usurped, but the federal government can?
No, because each state is subject both to its own state government and to the federal government. If either of these governments are unrepublican then the state is subject to, or “has,” unrepublican government, which guarantee clause guarantees will not be the case.
Of course the Court might not have the power to enforce that ruling against the present cadre of anti-republican usurpers, but it could still tell We The People the reality of what we are facing, and put the weight of legal opinion on the side of the those who seek to restore republican government.