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Yale Requiring SAT for Admissions Starting Fall 2025

Yale Requiring SAT for Admissions Starting Fall 2025

What a shock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXONLe3RPFA

Yale is the second Ivy League school to reinstate the SAT as an admissions requirement in the fall of 2025.

Students can submit scores from one or all of these four tests:

  • ACT
  • Advanced Placement (AP)
  • International Baccalaureate (IB)
  • SAT

The schools dropped the requirement during the COVID pandemic.

When you have to explain, you are usually losing.

Yale wrote out this long explanation for why it must be used for admissions when it’s quite simple: It hurt kids from lower-economic backgrounds.

The longer explanation:

While evaluating all these applications, our researchers and readers found that when admissions officers reviewed applications with no scores, they placed greater weight on other parts of the application. But this shift frequently worked to the disadvantage of applicants from lower socio-economic backgrounds.

In other high schools, high-achieving students quickly exhaust the available course offerings, leaving only two or three rigorous classes in their senior year schedule. Teachers with large classes may use positive but generic words of praise in recommendation letters. Students’ out-of-school commitments may include activities that demonstrate extraordinary leadership and contributions to family and community but reveal nothing about their academic preparedness. With no test scores to supplement these components, applications from students attending these schools may leave admissions officers with scant evidence of their readiness for Yale.

When students attending these high schools include a score with their application – even a score below Yale’s median range — they give the committee greater confidence that they are likely to achieve academic success in college.

This confidence is founded on evidence: Yale’s research from before and after the pandemic has consistently demonstrated that, among all application components, test scores are the single greatest predictor of a student’s future Yale grades. This is true even after controlling for family income and other demographic variables, and it is true for subject-based exams such as AP and IB, in addition to the ACT and SAT.

Everything these schools do is in the name of equality. But, you know, if these kids had school choice, they wouldn’t be confined to those lower performing school

Everyone takes the same standardized test.

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Comments

In other news, Yale admissions crater 90%

    henrybowman in reply to SeymourButz. | February 22, 2024 at 3:49 pm

    My first thought is: has the test prep industry (the ones who printed all those books shown in the lead photo) been so damaged by the earlier flight FROM the SAT that any significant shift back TOWARDS the SAT is going to catch them struggling to meet the market?

      AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to henrybowman. | February 22, 2024 at 5:27 pm

      Not all colleges dropped SAT/ACT requirements. Same goes with LSAT.

      david7134 in reply to henrybowman. | February 23, 2024 at 12:46 pm

      I have a friend in the prep business. His business has done well. But it is interesting to see what he does. He takes intelligent students then teaches them how to read the questions. It is necessary to start with the answers. He consistently achieves very good results.

If they go by these scores they will admit no blacks.

    There will be some, just fewer.

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to E Howard Hunt. | February 22, 2024 at 4:11 pm

    To be fair, there will probably be far fewer greatly overweight women with piercings and purple hair. I think probably the lowest scoring people are the ones to take things like feminine studies, majors and the like.

      AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | February 22, 2024 at 5:33 pm

      Oddly enough, those are the same students who have the highest GPAs.

      My daughter always complained that she had to study quite a bit to maintain her Summa Cum Laude for her Accounting degree. But those in her dorm with “Studies” programs historically partied all night, every night, had “overnight guests” all the time, a rarely looked at their notes before exams.

      But her diligence helped her graduate third in her law school class.

      Aka: Grievance studies.

      A Gentle reminder, but Bears repeating, there would no doubt be an uptick in ursus arctos applying as freshmen with some older ones coming out of hibernation.

    You need to be more racist. You are very good, but you need to gin up your game.

      AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to JR. | February 22, 2024 at 11:12 pm

      “He’s back!” With all of his bullshit everything is racist nonsense.

      Never fails.

    You are a racist. . All you do is discredit this web cite. If you started your own web cite, nobody in the entire world would ever log in to see what you think. You need to understand this. But instead you decide to post your racist views on LI. How pathetic.

      steves59 in reply to JR. | February 22, 2024 at 9:05 pm

      Speaking of “pathetic,” you’re the biggest racist garbage poster here, Dingus. You’ve got some nerve saying this, given your daily trash deposit.
      MY personal suggestion would be for YOU to start YOUR own web site (pro tip: it’s “site” not “cite”). That way, we can start ignoring you immediately.

      AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to JR. | February 22, 2024 at 11:13 pm

      And we all know that JR knows pathetic. A walking, breathing example of pathetic.

      Thad Jarvis in reply to JR. | February 23, 2024 at 11:26 am

      You should check out his fire and brimstone screed on the St Patrick’s Cathedral incident. It’s quite entertaining!

    ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to E Howard Hunt. | February 22, 2024 at 7:05 pm

    They will get a handful of blacks, who will be up to the highest standards and deserving of elite credentials. But everyone at Yale will be mortified when they are asked why they only have a handful of blacks.

AF_Chief_Master_Sgt | February 22, 2024 at 3:13 pm

Isn’t standardized testing racist?

Asking for a friend.

Gee, maybe all those people for all those years actually knew something maybe. Maybe they actually put those standardized tests in place for a reason.

You racist

But the woke progressive leftists claimed the SAT was racist, because it didn’t produce equity of outcomes?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair | February 22, 2024 at 7:01 pm

our researchers and readers found that when admissions officers reviewed applications with no scores, they placed greater weight on other parts of the application.

LOL. That’s a tautology … that the geniuses at Yale just ‘discovered’.

But this shift frequently worked to the disadvantage of applicants from lower socio-economic backgrounds.

Double LOL. Now, that’s an obvious lie. These applicants were not knocking their SATs out of the park … which is why Yale chose to ignore SAT scores, so that they could accept sub-par people without having any evil numbers that people could easily point to.

This is also an admission that the people who sucked on the SATs appeared to suck even more on the rest of their lives. Big surprise! Better to look at some guy’s 850 SAT score (which is likely what Barky scored) than to have to acknowledge the crayon his application essay was written in … “drawn”, more precisely.

When students attending these high schools include a score with their application – even a score below Yale’s median range — they give the committee greater confidence that they are likely to achieve academic success in college.

And Yale finishes off the trifecta with an out-and-out contradiction. At least, here they admit that these scores (of all these sub-par people Yale is dying to have in their school) will invariably be “below Yale’s median range”.

What Yale really needs to do is to open up an adjunct school – Yale Junior College – to house their pets.

in light of recent activities in Ivy League schools
why would anyone go to an Ivy League school ….

destroycommunism | February 22, 2024 at 10:01 pm

yeah

thats for the suckers

the bottom ten will still get in over the top 2%

Letting in lesser qualified students based on some type of grievance DEI thing results in a higher drop out rate for them than the average of the student body. This does no one any good.

    stella dallas in reply to diver64. | February 24, 2024 at 11:23 pm

    This has been known for years at other schools. Less qualified students drop out at a higher rate.. Had they gone to a less competitive school they would have thrived and graduated.

Because of grade inflation, grades have less value in picking out better students. Thus the need for standardized tests.

Their latest research, based on students who have registered for the ACT exam, shows that grade point averages for high school English courses rose from 3.3 for the graduating class of 2010 to 3.41 for the graduating class of 2022. Math grade point averages rose even more during this same period, from 3.19 to 3.36….

The trend of grade inflation goes back far earlier than 2010. Research published by the Department of Education found that the average high school GPA rose between 2.68 in 1990 to 3.0 in 2009. Similarly, another study published by the Higher Education Research Institute at the University of California, Los Angeles, found that the share of college freshmen with an A or A+ grade average in high school rose from 13.4% in 1985 to 31.2% in 2015.

https://ktvz.com/stacker-money/2024/02/20/how-high-school-grades-have-inflated-since-2010/