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GOP Governors Support Texas Gov. Abbott’s Efforts to Secure Border

GOP Governors Support Texas Gov. Abbott’s Efforts to Secure Border

IMPORTANT: Abbott is *not* defying SCOTUS. The SCOTUS order means the feds can cut wire. It doesn’t say TX cannot install more wire or keep the feds away.

****Texas has 25 states supporting it against Biden!

Republican governors and lawmakers have supported Texas Gov. Greg Abbott as the state adds more concertina wire after SCOTUS gave border patrol permission to cut the wire.

“James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and other visionaries who wrote the Constitution foresaw that States should not be left to the mercy of a lawless president who does nothing to stop external threats like cartels smuggling millions of illegal immigrants across the border,” stated Abbott. “That is why the Framers included both Article IV, § 4, which promises that the federal government ‘shall protect each [State] against invasion’ and Article I, § 10, Clause 3, which acknowledges the ‘the States’ sovereign interest in protecting their borders.’ Arizona v. United States, 567 U.S. 387, 419 (2012)(Scalia, J., dissenting).”

Abbott isn’t even defying the SCOTUS order. SCOTUS vacated an injunction from the 5th Circuit that prevented border agents from cutting the wire except in the case of a medical emergency.

The order does not say Texas cannot add more wire. The order does not say that Texas has to give the border patrol access to the wire.

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“IMPORTANT: Abbott is *not* defying SCOTUS. The SCOTUS order means the feds can cut wire. It doesn’t say TX cannot install more wire or keep the feds away.”

This is a semantic game that minimizes the importance of what’s happening here.

The states are defying the junta in support of the Constitution.

The right may finally rise.

    scooterjay in reply to Azathoth. | January 25, 2024 at 11:18 am

    Can we call Neil Young out of retirement to get him to write songs about Bidens soldiers leaving four dead in los rio? I think the world needs to see we don’t need him around, anyhow.

    moonmoth in reply to Azathoth. | January 25, 2024 at 1:29 pm

    This is a semantic game
    Yes.

    that minimizes the importance of what’s happening here.
    Again, yes. And what scares me is that because of Biden’s actions, this situation may now be beyond Constitutional remedy. Biden has not only abrogated his Constitutional duty to protect each State from invasion, but has even used Federal resources and law enforcement to aid and abet the invasion.

    SCOTUS may rule that the Constitutional remedy is impeachment, but people are unlikely to continue to meekly obey a criminal government that persists in endangering their families and communities.

      Camperfixer in reply to moonmoth. | January 25, 2024 at 2:31 pm

      Spot on.

      “…used Federal resources and law enforcement to aid and abet the invasion.”

      yes he has, and considering the fact that some of these invaders are surely from sworn enemies of the US, that make him a treasonous cu*t who should be hung by the neck until dead.

        GWB in reply to Paul. | January 25, 2024 at 2:34 pm

        from sworn enemies of the US
        The problem being that all of the lawyers in our gov’t insist that they are only enemies if made so by a declaration of war. And then won’t declare war on anyone… evidently because that wouldn’t be nice.

        It is actually an important bit of semantics. But it – like so much else – has been leveraged to only work going one way.

          Paul in reply to GWB. | January 25, 2024 at 4:15 pm

          I imagine there are more than a few illegal invaders from North Korea… we’re still at war with them, right?

          We won’t declare war with anyone because it’s too hard to do so… you know that whole majority of congress thing.

          Instead, the congress critters have been bought off by the military industrial complex and they’ve ceded their sole power to declare war to the President, who is also probably getting greased by the arms dealers but who certainly gets a woody being ‘the most powerful man on earth’

          There is no fixing this mess if we’re expecting the congress and the executive to reign themselves in. We need to call a Convention of States and cut the nuts out of the federal government.

          Ironclaw in reply to GWB. | January 25, 2024 at 6:51 pm

          And answer to paul. No, we haven’t had a declaration of war since December of 1941. Which means, the United States is not at a state of war with North Korea that was NATO. That is why Korea is officially classed as a police action, because there was no declaration of war.

          Milhouse in reply to GWB. | January 25, 2024 at 11:25 pm

          Not true. We have had several declarations of war. There seems to be some silly myth out there that a declaration of war must contain some magic formula such as “we declare war”. That is just not the case. In recent decades the fashion has been for Congress to pass what it calls an “authorization to use military force”; that is a declaration of war.

          What’s more, a state of war does not require that anyone has declared it. The courts decided that one during the USA’s very first war, the Quasi War with France, and reaffirmed it after the Civil War. If US forces are in combat, that is a war.

          Ironclaw in reply to GWB. | January 25, 2024 at 11:28 pm

          Millhouse, that’s wrong. Congress has the sole authority to declare war and they have not done so since December 11th, 1941. War is not declared just because the president sends troops somewhere, he doesn’t have the authority to declare war, read the damn Constitution

          Milhouse in reply to GWB. | January 25, 2024 at 11:30 pm

          The problem with “from sworn enemies of the US” is not that there’s been no declaration, it’s that merely swearing enmity doesn’t actually make someone an enemy. An enemy of the united states is a nation or other entity that is actually engaging in acts of war against them.

          CaptTee in reply to GWB. | January 26, 2024 at 4:20 pm

          A State that is invaded does not need a declaration of war in order to respond.

This has potential for an F-16 strike. Wonder what kind of AA defense the Tex National Guard has?

    TargaGTS in reply to scooterjay. | January 25, 2024 at 11:33 am

    There are no Air Defense Artillery units in the TANG (no surface-to-air, air-defense missile batteries). There is a ADAR (a brigade, I believe) in Texas. But, it’s an active-duty Army unit. I’m not sure if any of our ADARs operate as ANG units. I can’t remember ever seeing one. The TANG does of course have F16s and Reapers. I don’t believe they have any F-22s or F-35s.

    thad_the_man in reply to scooterjay. | January 25, 2024 at 1:10 pm

    Uhhm. No Posse Comatitus.

Anything short of live rounds is a publicity stunt.

    More seriously though, Abbott will signal that he’s ready to take the next step when he orders the deportation of those that they’re arresting. Right now, they’re simply making an arrest, booking them and then….turning them over to ICE who then immediately releases them, allowing them to go anywhere they wish. There’s not even bail required. So, it’s simply more security theater, at this point.

What’s to “defy”? An unlawful and treasonous “ruling? Pfft.

This is about protecting a State border that happens to be our southern border. The immoral Administration, with the assistance of a moronic SCOTUS, are flagrantly violating Federal Law…they are the evil-doers here, not Texas. What…Texas should continue to allow all manner of reprobates, criminals, and potentially terrorists into our Country? (The obvious Swamp’s plan.)

It’d be a safe bet that over 3/4 of America supports their efforts to do so, the rest are willfully ignorant or mental.

Arizona and New Mexico should follow suit…tell Squinty-Eyed Joe and his Black Robed helpers to go pound sand.

Why? Why has it taken so long for this to take place!?!?

    JohnSmith100 in reply to mailman. | January 25, 2024 at 2:36 pm

    Desperation?

    CommoChief in reply to mailman. | January 25, 2024 at 7:15 pm

    IMO it is a wise strategy. Abbott has chosen a process of gradual escalation with many policies operating in parallel. He is building a record of trying to do everything possible to defend the State building up to this.

    We didn’t get here with a standoff overnight. No one can accuse Abbott or TX of acting in reckless or sudden manner to precipitate a crisis. Quite the opposite. It’s the refusal of the Biden Admin to ‘faithfully execute’ that is driving this not TX.

    The question is will the Courts take notice of the context of the wider controversy? Certainly Abbott’s strategy has been successful in terms of highlighting the scale of the problem and garnering both public and political support across the Nation.

Texas’ action should shake Roberts and Barrett out of their semantic stupors.

I haven’t read any of the pleadings or other case materials, so I can’t verify this but I have heard that Art. I, sec. 10, cl. 3 has not actually been raised in any legal proceeding. If true, raises some serious questions.

    FlyNavy in reply to Concise. | January 25, 2024 at 12:29 pm

    Elaborate….please. Also, would you share your thoughts on Robert’s & Barrett’s ruling? I’m trying to wrap my head around all this. Chees

      FlyNavy in reply to FlyNavy. | January 25, 2024 at 12:30 pm

      Fat thumb typing..:

      Cheers

      TargaGTS in reply to FlyNavy. | January 25, 2024 at 1:41 pm

      There’s a chasm between the language that Gov. Abbott used in his letter and the language that the state’s lawyers used in their appellate brief on the razo-wire issue. While the letter leans HEAVILY into the constitutional authority for Texas to ‘defend itself from invasion,’ that issue isn’t even raised by the state in their legal pleadings. It’s simply not a part of the case, by their choice.

      More problematically – and this is what is being criticized by some right-of-center legal voices – is that despite the bravado of Abbott in his letter, he’s really not doing much to – you know – actually secure the border. This entire episode is over a reasonably small municipal park that was being used by the feds as a staging area. The feds want to keep using it because its really convenient for them. The ‘razor-wire’ that’s been put up hasn’t stemmed the flow of illegals in ANY measurable way. They’re still flooding over the border, usually just down the street a bit. And, none of the (handful) of illegals that Texas has arrested have actually been deported. Instead, they’re released a few hours later and allowed to go on their way…into Texas and on to wherever they want.

        Peter Floyd in reply to TargaGTS. | January 26, 2024 at 11:30 am

        Our entire nation is being impoverished by these hordes of illegal immigrants. The politics are destructive, but the economics devastating.
        The total cost of the illegal immigrant tsunami invasion is ALWAYS misunderstood and vastly underestimated. The cost is ongoing and it has taken an immense toll on our economy. There are an estimated 40 millions of illegal immigrants and their children in this country today. Each one of them has a direct and indirect cost that total about $100,000 each per year including an estimated $35,000 per child for educational expenses and the huge cost of lower wages for native, legal American citizens. It is estimated that without these illegals the average wage would be 12% higher and that loss is an indirect, but measurable consequence of illegal immigration. Add it up. iThe cost is 4 TRILLION a year to the American economy. It is a cost that would not only wipe out the deficit but increase tax collections by an estimated $500B per year. Our entire infrastructure, physical and social, is deteriorating, collapsing because of this influx of basically useless, uninvited parasitic mouths that eat at our table.

Our government is funding, procuring, and trying to stop anyone from keeping this illegal invasion going.

Great. It took these governors a couple of years for them to wait and see what the political ramifications of open borders entails. Texas could’ve acted sooner but the wine moms in Austin would’ve started crying.

Better late than never, I guess.

so let them in, but only escorted and w/out wire cutters?

Like I want a steak dinner, but have to check my dentures at the door.

While they are at it, I think they should empty their prisons and “parole” the inmates to blue cities as well.

thalesofmiletus | January 25, 2024 at 5:45 pm

The Feds can always take the long way around, escorting the invaders, clearing all obstacles in their way.

That would make for clarifying optics in this election year.

I’m going to make a comparison that some will probably object to. What we have at the southern border is our country being raped. A physical invasion and the federal government is like a bystander that is not content to Simply watch this crime happen, they’re volunteering to hold the woman’s legs open to make sure that it can’t be stopped. And by the way, that’s exactly the level of morality that I view the the current federal government having.

Subotai Bahadur | January 25, 2024 at 6:58 pm

Key things to watch for are things escalating to the point where there are Federal troops moved to the border to guarantee the entrance of the invaders, if they face off with TNG troops, if TNG troops are federalized, what orders they are given if so, and do they follow those orders?

There is also the not inconsiderable risk that someone on either side in such a faceoff has their finger resting a little too heavily on the trigger. In which case all bets are off.

In addition, since the Executive Branch is big on the word “insurrection”, would this confrontation constitute enough of an “insurrection” for the Executive Branch to “postpone” elections by Executive Order? If the terms of the “postponement” were such that incumbent congress-critters retained office for the period of “postponement”; it would guarantee that Congress would do nothing; kinda like they do now.

We already know that the courts will, and can, do nothing themselves in the absence of, or in opposition to, State sponsored coercion.

Dance cards may start filling up right smartly. Choose your partners carefully, whether you live on the border or not.

Subotai Bahadur

    Remember Nuremberg, a soldier has no duty to follow an illegal order. I would think that an order to directly violate federal law would be illegal

      Milhouse in reply to Ironclaw. | January 25, 2024 at 11:49 pm

      Nuremberg is not a valid precedent under US law, or that of any other nation. Whether a blatantly illegal order is binding must be determined purely on the basis of US law, without reference to Nuremberg.

        Ironclaw in reply to Milhouse. | January 26, 2024 at 4:42 am

        So you’re saying that the entire proceedings there as well as all of the executions were bullshit then?

          CaptTee in reply to Ironclaw. | January 26, 2024 at 4:30 pm

          No. he is saying that there is no legal reason to treat Nuremberg as a precedent under US law.

          As one who attend Basic Training after the Court Martial of Lt. William Calley (My Lai Massacre), we were told that soldiers have a duty to not only disobey illegal orders but to actively resist the carrying out of illegal orders.

          The tricky part is being absolutely sure you are “in the right” in your interpretation of what is going on, if you shoot someone giving an illegal order (which would be the right and legal thing to do, if you were correct).

    In addition, since the Executive Branch is big on the word “insurrection”, would this confrontation constitute enough of an “insurrection” for the Executive Branch to “postpone” elections by Executive Order? If the terms of the “postponement” were such that incumbent congress-critters retained office for the period of “postponement”

    That simply can’t happen. It doesn’t matter how much of an insurrection there is; even if there were an actual, real, and significant insurrection, that would not serve to extend either the president’s term or that of Congress. The house and a third of the senate would still be out of office on Jan 3, and the president and vice president on Jan 20. Whichever party has a majority of the remaining 2/3 of the senate would appoint its senior member as acting president until an election could be held.

      Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | January 25, 2024 at 11:46 pm

      I looked it up. If the 2024 senate elections were canceled, on Jan 3 the senate would be reduced to 66 members, 38 Republicans and 28 Democrats. That would make Chuck Grassley the senate’s president pro tem, and therefore acting president of the USA until a president is elected.

El Chapo paid $100 million bribe to Mexican president Peña Nieto.. How much did Biden and his pals get?

Bucky Barkingham | January 26, 2024 at 6:49 am

I sense a growing consensus for secession. Unlike 1860 this time lead by Republicans.

As of last night, all but one Republican governor has announced support for Texas.

Vermont is the lone holdout.

We stand at 26 declared to 24 undeclared

In addition, several deep red states have mysteriously blue governors and their legislatures have voiced support for Texas though the governors have not.

Americans simply do not understand the enormity posed by the hordes of illegals that have taken up residence in the USA. It is one of the principal factors in our decline of living standards, health care, education an dis costing the US family an average of $20,000 a year. Please pass this post along to everyone you know. It affects all of us every day of our life
Presently, it is estimated there are 50 million illegals in the US. Divide this by 700,000 and you have more than 71 seats that can be attributed to illegals. If only US citizens were counted for the apportionment of House seats there may be a shift of as much as 90 seats. I suspect that this would put the real representatives of the American people firmly in control of our nation. Illegal immigration is a national emergency. We have been invaded. Trump must declare martial law, suspend habeas corpus, and imprison those who obstruct his deportation program, He must also deputize at least a million of his supporters to assist in the roundup and deportation of nearly 50 million illegals and their children. It will be a massive effort.