LIVE: Jordan Loses Second Vote for House Speaker, Will be a Third Vote
Jordan lost 22 Republican votes. He can only lose 4.
House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan can only lose four Republican votes to win the Speaker role.
Jordan lost 20 votes on Monday during the first round. The Republicans did not hold a second round, which is expected today.
Jordan needs 217 Republican votes.
12:57 PM: Final second vote:
FINAL 2ND VOTE:
❌Bacon
❌🔁Buchanan
❌Buck
❌Chavez-DeRemer
❌DEsposito
❌Diaz-Balart
❌Ellzey
❌🔁Ferguson
❌Garbarino
❌Gimenez
❌Gonzales
❌Granger
❌James
❌Kelly
❌Kiggans
❌LaLota
✅🔁LaMalfa
❌Lawler
❌🔁Miller-Meeks
❌Rutherford
❌Simpson
✅🔁Spartz
❌🔁Stauber
❌Womack— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) October 18, 2023
12:21 PM: Jordan loses when it 5 against him.
12:12 PM: Voting has started.
11:56 AM: Oh, look. Republicans nominate Jim Jordan.
11:13 AM: Quorum Call! I think all members are present today.
10:16 AM: The House meets at 11:00 AM. A quorum call will happen, likely followed by the same old nomination speeches. Republicans will nominate Jordan. Democrats will nominate Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries.
There’s also talk to give more power to Speaker Pro Tempore Patrick McHenry (R-NC).
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If Mr. Jordan fails this time, he should withdraw his candidacy. He should then give a speech on the floor that says two things —
To the Republicans, he should stress the need for solidarity, especially when the majority is thin. He should point out that however odious the Democratic caucus has been, they’ve never had a problem voting in solidarity for their speaker. Solidarity, and winning elections, is the whole point of a political party.
To the Democrats, he should smile thinly and remind them that payback will come.
No he shouldn’t, McCarthy went 15 rounds
Never give up
And in the process he made numerous deals he never intended to honor, leading directly to the current situation.
He has less support than McCarthy
In Congress maybe, but not actual voters.
That’s what everybody said in 2022. The way to prove it is by electing conservatives. Otherwise, it’s all gas.
Never, ever surrender
The problem is not Jordan- it is that a conservative is running for Speaker. The establishment believes that the GOP is their party; conservatives are only necessary to get the redneck votes.
True. This has the feel of the 1970s when insider traditional Republicans kept out Conservatives which led to the showdown between the Ford wing and the Reagan wing in the 1976 primary which Ford won and then lost to Carter. Reagan won a massive landslide in 1980. The R party is once again undergoing a massive sorting.
Got a bad feeling. Republicans are conniving with democrats to install McHenry as some kind of permanent temporary speaker. Rather fitting in their corrupt new world of CRs and Ominbus monstrosities. Too much money involved. Constituents better call and pressure their reps. Maybe nothing but it might help.
There are rumors to that effect in the media, including a WAPO talking head who’s speaking on C-SPAN right now, but I can’t imagine how that wouldn’t blow up the whole process. That would be only slightly better than a few crossing over and electing Jeffries.
they want their Ukraine money
and Jordan said he wasn’t interested in that
Well get ready for round three. This could go till the continuing resolution runs out, then watch the money grubbers vote for Jordan.
Dysfunction as the world hurtles towards destruction, not from climate change.
The saddest part, Jordan supported McCarthy, he supported Scaliose actually carried water for them and now they vote against him.
Kevin is angling to return as speaker
Where did you get that? They both voted for Jordan.
I’m talking about the GOPe that voted against jordan.
No, you named two specific people.
No I’m saying he supported the GOPe throughout this house, then when his turn comes the GOPe can’t wait to stab him in the back.
That’s what you’re saying now, after you were called out for lying.
It’s a front he’s angling
So what? So’s Gaetz, and probably a couple of dozen others. Funny how after being the big cheese a couple of weeks ago, that Gaetz has suddenly virtually disappeared now that the kaka has hit the fan.
Jordan is merely operating within the system and I think he understands very well. FWIW, I’d hate to see him lose his integrity by becoming SotH
the GOPe just want a speaker that does 2 things
give them their Ukraine money
and allow the lobbyists to do all the work and write the bills
a bunch of lazy snots
These loser RINOS better figure out an end game and fast. there left is laughing at them and the optics they are worried about are turning against them. Bacon has a 33% off yar freedom score. Yet he thinks he’s leading.
You think he notices, Liz Chenney didn’t notice until it bit her in the ass.
If you want things to change you have to keep it up. Over and over and over again.
Don’t catch a breath relax and say “we won”.
the Dems are now proposing Liz for Speaker
Everyone but the diehards is laughing at them, especially independents who the Rs seem to have decided that they don’t care about. Good luck, Rs.
Well the rumor was that he might lose as many as 5 more. Turns out to be only 4.
They have spent months name-calling and castigating and even threatening GOP members of the House and somehow are shocked that they didn’t get their vote. Maybe attacking your fellow GOP House members doesn’t get then on your side??
Meh. Sooner or later Jordan or an alternative will be.selected as Speaker. There’s plenty of existing authority to send Israel whatever they need. We have an existing budget that kicks in on 1 Jan. All the committees are still authorized to do their work.
The only real wrinkle is the roughly six week gap between the expiration of the current CR and 1 Jan. After 1 Jan authorization can be passed allowing the ‘essential’ Federal workers to be paid for that period by allowing agencies to shift funds. These ‘essential’ workers are the ones who their agencies designate to show up and keep working. The Federal workers that their own agencies deem as ‘nonessential’ telling them to stay home and not work shouldn’t be compensated, IMO since they ain’t needed they should be downsized.
I don’t claim to be an expert so I may very well be wrong, but my understanding is that they can’t spend any discretionary funds until those appropriations bills are passed. The budget is only a general guideline and doesn’t actually commit any funds for specific purposes. If they don’t pass the bills or a CR, the discretionary funding stops. Naturally it doesn’t affect the mandatory programs. OTOH, the authorizations you suggest only consist of kicking the can down the road.
BTW, you keep referring to the 1% reduction in the budget. I seem to recall that the Donalds CR projected deeper cuts than that and was rejected, but I don’t recall the details.
One of the early votes on funding in this Congress was passing the mini sequestration budget authority of the last FY (-) 1%. They more/less put it in place as way align everyone’s incentives to get to budget agreement b/c none of the various competing interests wants it. The big spenders don’t want any cuts and the fiscal hawk/shrink govt folks want much deeper cuts and elimination of programs.
For those who argue that a Speaker is essential I would point out that McCarthy was Speaker for 9 months. Had the WH, the Senate and d/prog been interested in reaching deals by good faith negotiations that fully internalized the fact that McCarthy pledged not to use d/prog votes to pass legislation and thus any agreement would need all but a handful of the GoP caucus to support it, well they had 9 months to do it.
I don’t care who the Speaker is so long as the basic outline of no legislation without 218 (now 217) GoP votes in support is maintained. The HoR GoP caucus holds the power to enforce that. McCarthy was removed in part due to his efforts to go around that. IMO, that’s the important lesson for all interested parties to glean. Business as usual where a ‘crisis’ is used to compel legislation must end.
Thanks. Makes sense. You still seem to think that Jordan, or anybody else in the current climate, is going to be able to bring in what amounts to a unanimous caucus, even as you’re advocating for a weak Speakership. I hope you’re right, but I don’t see it happening. I still see another coup as not just a possibility, but inevitable.
The motion to vacate option doesn’t weaken the powers of the Speaker. It merely provides a check on the unrestrained use of those powers. The Speaker can exercise their full powers but with the option of a motion to vacate they can’t escape potential consequences.
A unanimous GoP caucus? Only possible if the establishment goons do what they told their constituents they would when asking for votes. I can’t think of one GoP HoR member who ran a campaign to increase the Federal debt, increase Federal spending or make backroom deals with d/prog. Pretty sure they all said they were opposed to that sort of thing during their campaign.
If I was Jordan and this shit kept up beyond another dozen rounds I would pull the roughly 200 supporters together and propose Ron Paul as Speaker. Let the heads in DC explode over that. IMO it’s the natural conflict occurring between a declining bloc in the establishment and an ascendant bloc in the populists. Same thing happened in getting McCarthy selected in Jan. The establishment has gotten used to running the same play, ‘it’s an emergency, we must unite, must abandon our pledge to constituents’. It didn’t work, heck the populist bloc told them not to do this b/c it wouldn’t work this time but the establishment tried it anyway and here we are.
Jordan has less support than McCarthy
Wow Donalds got a vote. He would be my choice, but not going to happen.
IIRC, Donalds was the one who wrote (as in supported the staff who wrote) the CR that the FC rejected, leading to this whole mess. Odd that you would support him.
and he disparaged some of FL guv’s anti-woke education initiatives
So did John Boehner. Just goes to show what a joke they are making of this, when our country is going down the tubes.
Looks like the Republican Party can’t organize a two-car funeral.
Wow Donalds got a vote. He would be my choice, but not going to happen.
I don’t see anyone caning people.
Good
Jordon staying in!
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1714696078904160623?s=20
Why shouldn’t he? They still need to hold 13 more votes to tie McCarthy.
I’m still quite content with a House that can’t do anything other than vote for a speaker. Our government works best for the people when it can do nothing, then they can’t f*ck anything up for a change.
A substantial number of people agree. Far more than one might believe if you only listen to the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the lapdog legacy/corporate media and take advice from the same revolving door ‘experts’ who brought us $33 Trillion in Debt. As a reminder the flipping debt service on that alone will be equal to or greater than the entire US Defense budget this year. It was about $25 billion +/- away from that last year.
The behavior of the Republican Party is reminding me of a tragic old song. These people don’t seem to understand that the country’s future is at stake. Sad, very sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX_TFkut1PM
I’ll be happy to see Jordan as Speaker and have backed him since this all started – but the country’s future was at stake when they staged their coup against McCarthy. Didn’t seem to bother Gaetz’s gang of 8 (plus 2 tagalongs). As ye sow, so shall ye reap. No matter what negotiations happen now, nor what agreement they reach, it will still only take a half-dozen disgruntled members plus the Democrats to stage another coup – a fact that some people just can’t seem to get their heads around.
The idea that Jordan (or Scalise, or McCarthy) haven’t been sufficiently conservative is absurd to me. But that’s secondary to simply falling apart. The irony is that the Rs were in pretty decent shape, other than Trump anyway. All of a piece, I suppose. This is shaping up to be one of those historical turning points.
The House … what a bunch of jack-offs …
Notice how the Ds are relatively quiet about this? Old D.C. rule: “Never interfere with an opponent who is destroying himself.”
You know you’re in a jam when the Dems are bragging about being the adults in the room.
The same d/prog adults with members backing Hamas?
I lost respect for the Ds quite a while ago, but this year I am rapidly losing respect for the Rs. What a pack of crybaby low-rent anarchists. Ugh.
the Dems are now proposing Liz for Speaker
Liz, as in Cheney? Hell, she is one of theirs. Ever glad to see McCarthy gone, send his sorry ass back to California. Haha, or Massachusetts. He kind of looks like a Native American, at least as much as Fauxcahontas.
And, once again, they’ve quit for the day. No more votes. Word is, there’s screaming and yelling, doors slamming. Just another day in Paradise.
HAMAS would readily support Pelosi for Speaker of horseshit.