21 Republicans Join Democrats to Kill House Stopgap Funding Bill
Prepare for a shutdown.
Welp. 21 Republicans voted against the stopgap bill that would have funded the government for 45 days,
The Republicans against Speaker McCarthy keeo calling his bluff.
How it started:
Speaker McCarthy on Stopgap Measure: "Every member will have to go on record on where they stand. Are they willing to secure the border or do they side with President Biden on an open border and vote against a measure to keep government open." pic.twitter.com/ChJ927EQDX
— CSPAN (@cspan) September 29, 2023
Hopw it’s going:
21 Republicans who tanked McCarthy stopgap budget to avert a government shutdown — calling the Speaker bluff
• Biggs (AZ)
• Bishop (NC)
• Boebert (CO)
• Buck (CO)
• Burchett (TN)
• Burlison (MO)
• Cloud (TX)
• Crane (AR)
• Gaetz (FL)
• Gosar (AZ)
• Greene (GA)
• Hunt… https://t.co/f2lhVkpAIs— Mona Salama (@ByMonaSalama) September 29, 2023
The stopgap funding, known as a Continuing Resolution, would have given the House time to figure out something to fund the government for the next fiscal year.
(Please don’t!)
But Republican leaders have had a hard time so far corralling their conference into some kind of agreement. A faction of conservatives have for weeks said they are opposed to any CR, arguing it would be an extension of the previous Democratically-controlled Congress.
The House GOP’s CR proposal included an amendment to slash spending for its month-long duration to fiscal 2022 levels, about $130 billion less than the current year’s. It also featured elements from House Republicans’ border security bill, and McCarthy said a new provision would mandate the creation of a bipartisan committee to study the federal debt.
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“Speaker McCarthy on Stopgap Measure: “Every member will have to go on record on where they stand. Are they willing to secure the border or do they side with President Biden on an open border and vote against a measure to keep government open.”
What a lying d-bag. If the government evaporated tomorrow, the border could hardly be more open than it is now. Spending this money is NOT going to secure our border, because that isn’t what Biden will do with it. Biden’s been using it to weld gates OPEN, stop gaslighting us.
Trump supported his speakership. This is what we can expect from him again if he is elected. He is one of the worst judges of human beings that I have ever seen. Manfort, Cohen, Sessions, Milley, Wray, Tilerston, Omarosa, Stormy Daniels, Ronna McDaniels, Oz, Walker, and many many more losers. His administration had such a turnover it looked like a walk-on day at an NFL team tryout.
Exactly 100 percent. This is all happening because of who Trump endorsed and supported. Trump has no shame. He actually applauds all of this havoc. He wants America to be destroyed as we now know it, so that he can then rebuild it to what will support his power, ego and wealth. It’s always about Trump. Not the working class. Not the union workers. Just about Trump.
Wow So Biden is just doing God’s work then?
Never mind that all of this Destruction has been happening with dementia Joe the Communist pedophile traitor in the White House right?
If only you had such hate against your actual enemies, JR. Instead you derp about Trump while shilling for those that have sold you out for 25 years.
Trying to turn the massive train wreck of the Government spending takes time. A short extension to keep working on it doesn’t seem to be much to ask and the proposed bill does not increase spending, it actually keeps it at the level of 2022 which is something.
The press and Dems are going nuts over this but it only affects non essential employees. If they are non essential then what the hell are we paying them for in the first place?
At the end of which time they would have done exactly the same thing–do another CR and engage in the same political blather.
6 week vacation
The people that voted for it include those so-called Trump conservatives such as Gaetz.
An older (2018) article but it gets the point across. CRs are now the standard, not the exception.
20 Years Of Congress’s Budget Procrastination, In One Chart
Somehow our Congress manages to forget all about the fiscal year ending on 30 Sept… every damned year.
How come Democrats suddenly hate Government workers? 😂😂😂
Shut it all down!
It appears that the Dems just shut down the government
D卐M☭CRATS
Studying The Debt
Chapter One:
Fund the government by continuing resolution to the same spending levels year after year for thirty years so as to avoid Congress from taking a fiscally responsible stand that may offend donors or voting members of the Entitled Classes.
If only that were true … but it’s far worse than that. CRs,now, mean spending the extra $2 TRILLION in “emergency” spending that was tacked on in 2020 for COVID. That is completely unacceptable. They can do a CR based on 2019 spending. That would be fine with me, but that extra $2 trillion has to go.
Maybe they should ask Ukraine for a loan to tide us over.
Are we “loaning” our money to Ukraine? No, we’re giving it.
Ukraine is a drop in an Olympic sized-swimming pool of issues. The focus on Ukraine just tells me some people want to see Imperial Russia exterminate other countries.
Ukraine is an infinite sink for funds in orders of magnitude more than other, domestic projects that the US desperately needed (like border security) that the Democrats deemed “too expensive to undertake.”
They’ve had a year to work on a budget, get it out of committee and onto the floor and they couldn’t even do that. It’s insane.
Bright people no longer run for office (very limited exceptions).
CRs have happened to some degree or another every freaking year for at least the last 3 decades.
Why? They are perfect opportunities for misdirection or political sleight of hand. A sneaky way to do underhand things like fund things that never made it through the normal farce of a budgeting process. Or spend the same money twice.
With all due respect to everyone who uses the term “shut down“, you are using the enemies language and that language is in accurate.
The fact is that the government will keep rolling, checks will go out, and only a few portions of the government will temporarily not be in the office.
I invite others to propose better language! I look forward to any responses.
By definition, that would be an increase in government efficiency. Therein lies a name.
Nah fuck it. Just shut it all down! 😂😂
What we’re saying when we use the term “shut down” is that we’re perfectly willing to go beyond that.
Biden will shut down national parks and claim it’s because of the evil republicans. Workers will be send home and paid to sit there and posture.
They will close the parks again
Oh my bad, they are letting in illegals to destroy them
Got to keep the food trucks coming, but maybe they will need to shit in the woods
Kind of like they are shitting in the streets and hotel hallways right now
They have been in session for two years and knew that this was coming but for some reason, they all went home for the August break and did nothing about it. If you or I did our jobs that way we would be fired. $174,000 a year and this is what we get?
The current Congress, the 118th, didn’t take office until 3 January of 2023. McCarthy didn’t get elected Speaker until 7 January. They didn’t have two years, they had 9 months and 22 days which is, in all fairness, more than enough time to pass the 12 appropriation bills through regular order in the HoR and send them to the Senate.
Once again McCarthy fails completely as a leader.
and 21 members joined the Democrats and should be kicked out of Congress, right?
Actually, somebody needs to explain to me why the Democrats bloc-voted to shut down the government at all. It’s certainly not an obvious stance for Democrats to take. Since every one of them voted for it, they don’t even get the advantage of bleating “The Republicans shut down the government” on the news.
The democrats have been the cause of, and have supported, every government shutdown. It’s their most cherished PR victory. Why do they love a shutdown. Because it unleashes the daily and never ending torrent of stories from their sycophant media propagandists portraying the resulting woe and national misery caused by the Republican shutdown. That’s right, Republican shutdown! No need for facts. That’s right, woe and misery! No need for the fact that government shutdowns affect almost no one.
But most of all they love a shutdown because the Republicans ALWAYS cave.
Polling is actually showing that the public is blaming Biden and the democrats this time around.
The nice thing about this kinda/sorta but not quite shutdown of the Federal govt is that it once again identifies all the ‘nonessential’ Federal govt employees. Easy peasy pre-made list of positions that are not needed and best of all created by a d/prog Federal Executive Branch so no room for whining if/when all those positions are zeroed out of a future budget appropriation.
Eff it. Demand that list in detail for every department and agency from the Biden Admin and refuse to vote for any funding for them. Regular order for the appropriations process or no funding and no more funding of the self identified nonessential positions.
The other nice thing a kinda/sorta/not quite shutdown does is demonstrate how little daily value ordinary taxpaying people derive from the Federal Govt unless they start following asterisks to squint at the footnotes. Mail is gonna run as will private carriers. Roads and bridges will still function. Electricity and Nat gas still gonna work on Monday. Grocery stores, Gas Stations, phone networks, Amazon, the internet, cable/satellite TV, banks and financial markets, all will be functional next week. I hope it goes on long enough that people realize how little they need most of the Federal leviathan.
I can hear all the squealing coming from DC right now.
Kudos to all the Repubs who voted against the CR.
If only welfare check payments would cease…
I have a dream.
If you’re going to applaud those 21 Republicans, you’re being hypocrites if you don’t also applaud the 211 Democrats. I’ll leave the nitpicking to you.
The same 21 Republicans who said it was basically treason if McCarthy got Democrat votes?
Nah b/c the motivation for their actions are different. If you and I both decide we need to shoot someone and I just pick a random person that shooting is not justified, while if you choose the intruder in your child’s bedroom with a knife to the child’s throat that shooting is justified.
The reason someone chooses to undertake a particular action matters.
Nope. Your example is simply an appeal to emotion and totally irrelevant. Results count. They allied themselves with the Dems. Period.
What you are attempting is a form of guilt by association. For example I oppose open borders and believe we should vastly restrict immigration to the USA to a much smaller number of merit based immigrants who have skills we actually need.
Just b/c some unsavory other folks/groups also agree with that position doesn’t mean I am now morally equivalent to the Aryan Brotherhood or whomever.
And that’s what you don’t get. Your motivation is irrelevant if you vote to lynch blacks.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions. If someone else chooses to do the same thing as me but with bad motives I am NOT tainted by their motives. Your argument is absurd.
Well, I realize that “politics makes strange bedfellows”, but still, “you’re known by the company you keep”.😁
Sorry, Chief, I can’t let that stand. Your attempt to play Pontius Pilate is what’s absurd. When you take an action, no matter how pure you pretend your motives are, you’re equally responsible for the result. If you join a mob, you’re just as responsible for the lynching as the guy who throws the rope over the lamppost, whether that was your intent or not. As I said elsewhere, this is going to result in a much worse deal, because what the caucus demands will likely not pass the House, much less the Senate, which means that whatever deal is eventually agreed to is going to be immeasurably worse, because it will need Democrat votes to pass. And THEN, your caucus is going to blame everybody but themselves and likely move to vacate the chair, after the horse is gone, the barn is empty, and there isn’t anything more to gain than to further shatter whatever unity there was in the Republican Party, much to the benefit of those who wish us harm.
They voted against McCarthy. It doesn’t matter that democrats also did that for different reasons.
txvet2 -Lets rewind a bit.
1. McCarthy promised not use d/prog votes to secure passage of legislation in order to become Speaker.
2. That meant then and now that with a very thin majority he would need to secure the votes of the 20 ish Populist members of the GoP or legislation wouldn’t pass.
3. McCarthy didn’t secure their support.
4. In fact this issue, the use of regular order for the 12 appropriation bills and not using CR is also one of McCarthy’s concessions to the Populist members to become Speaker.
As I see this the tables have turned on which group of members within the HoR GoP are the crucial votes. It used to be that moderate suburban and Northern liberal GoP members held the power of the swing vote. Today it is held by the more Populist members. These folks are demanding that regular order be followed, no CR and no omnibus… which is what the establishment types agreed to in January to get McCarthy elected as Speaker.
No whining that the Populist members are GASP voting the way said they would, against he use of CR. McCarthy + the establishment gonna have to begin to trim their sails and start listening to what the Populist bloc of members are telling them instead of using brinksmanship, shutdown theatre pressure and blame game BS, especially when they had to know (b/c these members already told them) that a CR wouldn’t have the votes for passage and they would oppose it.
Translation: We’ll die on the next hill. And LMAO out your “lynching blacks” post. You’re a leftist’s dream opponent.
That was just a response to the Chief’s intruder with a knife. Of course both are unreasonably over-the-top “examples”.
That doesn’t even make any sense. It is the federal government, itself, that is opening the border – orchestrating the invasion. If the federal government stopped “working” the border would start closing down because states would close it and citizens would close it. It is Traitor Joe and every penny he gets from Congress that is doing all the BS paperwork to bring in the invaders and have them flown around America to never be heard from again and never deported, when they have no business setting one foot in this nation, to begin with.
McCarthy is a P.O.S. Big POS.
But we knew when he surrendered on the debt limit and used Dems to pass his bill that he was another Paul Ryan/Weeping Boner sort of RINO dirtbag.
They said if McCarthy got Democrat votes they would call it treason, so now we have these idiots siding with Democrats. Talk about hypocrisy
No it isn’t, they said if McCarthy used d/prog votes to PASS the bill which is a horse of an entirely different color than voting NO to stop bad legislation.
They didn’t have to do anything of the kind. All they had to do is move to vacate the chair. That would have killed the legislation and probably the caucus, and nobody would have had to vote with their political enemies. You can’t have it both ways. Either getting Dem votes is bad, or it’s good, but it isn’t both.
I am not trying to have it both ways. McCarthy made a pledge not use d/prog votes to pass legislation that lacked sufficient numbers of GoP support for passage as one part of the multiple compromise positions he undertook in order to become Speaker of the House.
Further a non leadership member is only responsible for how they vote. They aren’t accountable for how other members of their party vote much less how members of another party vote.
Of course. The Freedom Caucus never promised not to blow things up if the other 95% of the Congress didn’t go along with them. They could have accomplished the same thing by moving to vacate, because that’s the effective result of this little temper tantrum. You and I are in agreement that this is not a satisfactory piece of legislation. We’re not in agreement that 10% of the party should control Congress. That isn’t “democracy”, that isn’t “representative government”. It’s only an admission that the experiment has, at long last, failed. The founders wouldn’t be surprised; they predicted it.
No they didn’t make any such a promise. It would have defeated the whole point of the series of concessions from the establishment. That’s why those establishment goons were ready to brawl with the populist members on the floor during the voting for Speaker. They knew that if they failed to do what they promised; vote on each appropriations bill in regular order with sufficient GoP support for passage they would face this moment. Well they didn’t get sufficient numbers of GoP support and frankly knew they didn’t have it but tried to steam roll this blog of members into acquiescence. Didn’t work so he leadership and establishment have a mess on their hands that they created. Tough cookies.
Suddenly when the more Populist bloc of members have leverage to shape spending it is bad to use the leverage to force leadership and their establishment cronies to meet the demands of a bloc of 20 some odd members? Nah eff that. If it was acceptable when the establishment was catering to the tastes of liberal northern and moderate suburban members over the wishes of the more populist bloc then its acceptable now. Reciprocity is a very useful tool to achieve clarity about folks true intentions; when they don’t/won’t agree that you can do to them what they want to do to you then whatever lies they tell the thing they want to do to you is gonna be unpleasant in the extreme.
Let’s try it this way: If McCarthy had come up with a bill that the Freedom Caucus was able to support completely, and 21 GOPe joined with the Dems to vote it down, you’d be calling them traitors.
No b/c unlike some commenters around here I know what does and does not constitute the definition of treason. You don’t find me throwing around baseless accusations of ‘treason’.
To your larger point about 21 defectors from legislation that the Freedom Caucus supports alongside every other GoP member? Well it certainly is interesting when the most populist oriented members finally have the power to hold leadership’s feet to the fire for legislative concessions. It’s almost like folks forget how often the Northern Liberal Republican members or moderate suburban members were able to shape the contours of budget deals in the past. The discussions around here are very revealing.
Well, I was using “you” generically, not personally but you know that I’m right. There has always been a more conservative group of lawmakers trying their best to push legislation in that direction, but mostly they worked behind the scenes. Sometimes they were successful, sometimes not, but they never took their ball and went home.
They used to be shafted by leadership and the establishment and would complain behind closed doors. Then a group of 20 ish populist GoP members made a week long point of emphasizing what they would and would not accept going forward during the contest to select a Speaker.
It should not be a surprise to leadership or the establishment the this bloc of populist members are refusing to allow the establishment to ride roughshod over them. Several members publicly voiced their intentions to oppose CR which McCarthy and the whip had to know.
IMO, the leaders and establishment believed this bloc of populist members would back down and play ball in the go along/get along way things were done in recent decades instead of doing what they said they would; demand regular order for appropriation bills.
Leadership brought a vote to the floor without a firm commitment from sufficient members to pass it in advance. The failure is on them for not securing the required support.
Gonna have to side with chief on this one. You’ve made some very strange arguments. If you voted against someone you object to morally every time you happened to have a shared interest you’d never vote for anything at all on either side of the aisle.
I guess that’s a good recipe for either anarchy or fascism whichever the winds blow, but it doesn’t sound like a working republic to me.
Sorry to have confused you. You seem to have missed the point on both sides. To boil it down, as I’m sure you understood, my original point was that if you think voting down the bill was to your credit, you also have to credit the ones who provided most of the “no” votes. That doesn’t mean that you agree with them on anything else, but in this instance, you were in agreement and you should acknowledge it. Chief’s point(s), boiled down to: “My cause is just because my heart is pure, screw those other guys, and damn the consequences”, to which my response, if I’d provided another comment, would have boiled down to “January 6, the Atlanta fiasco, and “the road to Hell”.”
The only problem I have with this shutdown is it only shuts down less than 20% of the government. I want one that shuts 100% of it down.
The Federal budget deficit is about $2 trillion. Anyone who thinks that this is sustainable is kidding themselves. Any politician who wants to continue the status quo should be removed from office. That includes all Democrats and many Republicans. Where do people think inflation comes from? Grossly excessive Federal spending using borrowed money is a major cause. If we do not get this under control, our grandchildren will have markedly reduced standards of living (as if many don’t already).
Couldn’t agree more. That’s why we have elections. There is a solution, of course. Stage a coup, with the military’s backing of course, jail all of the politicians you don’t agree with and appoint a president who’ll do whatever you think is right. Of course it won’t be “constitutional”, but who pays attention to that old, outdated piece of paper anyway?
Instead of a coup how about we just accept that the HoR can do what they just did by refusing to appropriate funds when they don’t like the proposed level of spending or the items being funded. Seems way better all around to me.
OK, if you understand that the deal that is eventually going to be reached is going to be far worse, because it’s going to need Democrat votes.
If McCarthy violates his concession to not use d/prog votes to pass legislation there will be a motion to vacate.
Why is it OK for the moderate and liberal GoP members to have held sway and watered down legislation or added all sorts of govt spending in past when they were seen as the group of swing votes needing to be courted by leadership?
That went on for decades. Now that a populist bloc emerged, made a very public statement of what they would require and what sort of things they would Not support CR being one, during the contest to select a Speaker why is it suddenly so horrible that that a group is holding out? Is it b/c they are populist v establishment/moderate/liberal?
The fact is the populist bloc for now is the swing vote and leadership seems to be slow learners in this regard. None of the actions undertaken are a surprise to anyone paying attention least of the leadership who should have secured their support in advance but instead chose to try the same old BS pressure tactics which didn’t work this round.
That’s not a certainty. McCarthy will have to negotiate with one faction or the other. How he chooses to do so will definitely define a big part of his speakership.
By the way, SOTH is one of the worst high profile jobs in all of DC.
Well, as predicted, they passed another bill. Also as predicted, it’s much worse.
Clean CR without more $ being pissed away in Ukraine. IMO I would have held out for a CR past the 1 Jan mini sequestration deadline to automatically begin. Align everyone’s interests with more time to get the appropriations bills passed in regular order. If no deal by midnight on 31 Dec eff it a 1% reduction and start on the next FY budget.
I though the speaker of the HoR swore no more CR everything was going to b regular business so he tells fibs
His word is no good
Vacate the chair.