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Trump Indicted on 13 Counts in Georgia 2020 Election Probe

Trump Indicted on 13 Counts in Georgia 2020 Election Probe

18 others have been indicted, too. The prosecutors described the indicted as a “criminal organization.”

Here it is. President Donald Trump has been indicted for the fourth time.

Trump faces 13 charges total in the Fulton County, GA, probe into 2020 election interference:

Defendant Donald John Trump lost the United States presidential election held on November 3, 2020. One of the states he lost was Georgia. Trump and the other Defendants charged in this Indictment refused to accept that Trump lost, and they knowingly and willfully joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of Trump. That conspiracy contained a common plan and purpose to commit two or more acts of racketeering activity in Fulton County, Georgia, elsewhere in the State of Georgia, and in other states.

The prosecutors claimed Trump and the others indicted make up a “criminal organization.” I snorted at that because if you’re going to call them a criminal organization then what do you call the Clintons?

This criminal organization supposedly “engaged in various related criminal activities including, but not limited to, false statements and writings, impersonating a public officer, forgery, filing false documents, influencing witnesses, computer theft, computer trespass, computer invasion of privacy, conspiracy to defraud the state, acts involving theft, and perjury.”

Trump is charged on counts 1, 5, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 27-29, and 38-39. The charges include violation of the Georgia RICO Act.

The prosecutors also charged 18 other people:

Rudy Giuliani, Trump lawyer

Mark Meadows, White House chief of staff

John Eastman, Trump lawyer

Kenneth Chesebro, pro-Trump lawyer

Jeffrey Clark, top Justice Department official

Jenna Ellis, Trump campaign lawyer

Robert Cheeley, lawyer who promoted fraud claims

Mike Roman, Trump campaign official

David Shafer, Georgia GOP chair and fake elector

Shawn Still, fake GOP elector

Stephen Lee, pastor tied to intimidation of election workers

Harrison Floyd, leader of Black Voices for Trump

Trevian Kutti, publicist tied to intimidation of election workers

Sidney Powell, Trump campaign lawyer

Cathy Latham, fake GOP elector tied to Coffee County breach

Scott Hall, tied to Coffee County election system breach

Misty Hampton, Coffee County elections supervisor

Ray Smith, Trump campaign attorney

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Comments

Comment just posted in the prior thread:

“Hard to have words to describe how fast it can fall apart. Obama is the most responsible for criminalizing government and destroying institutions in pursuit of an anti-American bent.

To think that his cult worships a fake character, then speaks down to others. They are insulated from their damage, these globalists, for now. But when the system is criminalized against their interests, they can thank themselves.

America at its worst is better than what they propose. They have ruined what Americans preserved for generations, and it will never be the same.

To place blame on you know who for this state of affairs, including these indictments, is like falling for the Obama composite.”

War by any other means.

    Concise in reply to chrisboltssr. | August 15, 2023 at 8:56 am

    Democrats have been engaged in lawfare for a long time. Don’t know the exact moment it started. There was Nixon, Tom Delay, various other politicians. And although the prosecutions ultimately (usually) fail all that ever happened was some sort of empty rebuke from a judge. Never any serious reform or safeguards. Then the machinations of Obama and Soros prosecutors. Bad actors using their power where they could in politically safe and corrupt enclaves. It seems to have snowballed to this point. It can’t be fixed by just resolving individual cases years after the process. If Republicans don’t immediately take serious steps to address and reform this pattern of abuse, afraid we’re done. But I fear they won’t. We can’t even get all Republican candidates to stand against this.

What a joke

ThePrimordialOrderedPair | August 14, 2023 at 11:54 pm

Just saw Fatty Willis’ announcement about the indictment. What a complete joke.

About the most absurd part of the whole fiasco of the presser was how she said that there was nothing political about this indictment and how it was just like all the others … LOL. How many indictments were returned and processed at 11:30pm??

And the guy mentioning that the “fictitious document” that was on the official website and turned out to be the same as the indictment … she was a “dindu nuffin” on that.

These people need to be jailed. FOREVER. Every single person who was on that stage needs to be imprisoned and the keys thrown away.

Lilliputians v Gulliver.

So summarized down the charges are questioning a perfect and flawless election process without even the tiniest bit of fraud or deceit and if you question it we’ll throw you in jail. About right?

Admittedly, it is a far more complex set of charges (but just as feeble) as the New York case, which is one charge run through a photocopier multiple times.

What forged thing is Trump alleged to have conspired to produce?

Why, most of those alleged “charges” could be applied to Hillary, Gore, Kerry and maybe even St. Obama.

Never let it be said that the Dem socialists ever missed an opportunity to overstep while ignoring the Reid Lesson (what you do can be applied to you as well).

    Eric R. in reply to Dimsdale. | August 15, 2023 at 6:08 am

    Except Republicans can’t do it back to them as they control no cities and no media.

    M Poppins in reply to Dimsdale. | August 15, 2023 at 12:06 pm

    Just review the following in terms of what the Democrat and Soros-owned prosecutors have charged President Trump:

    – Politico on November 22, 2016: “At least a half-dozen Democratic electors have signed onto an attempt to block Donald Trump from winning an Electoral College majority, an effort designed not only to deny Trump the presidency but also to undermine the legitimacy of the institution.”

    – CNN on December 15, 2016: Amid the last month’s exhausting drama around Cabinet picks and presidential tweetstorms, one date stands out – December 19, the day the Electoral College picks our next president.

    As hope from Jill Stein’s recount fades for Hillary Clinton’s supporters, another Hail Mary chance to thwart Donald Trump’s presidency has taken its place: that enough members of the Electoral College sworn to vote for Trump will break their pledge and vote to elect an alternate candidate.

    America needs 37 “faithless electors” from states Trump won to do this in order to drop him below the 270 threshold and block him from automatically winning the White House.

    -Vox on December 19, 2016: “Donald Trump won last month’s presidential election. But many liberals and progressives are still clinging to one faint, almost-certainly-doomed hope that he can be blocked from the presidency — through the Electoral College.
    That’s because the November 8 vote was technically not to make Trump president, but only to determine who 538 electors in various states across the country will be. It is those electors who will cast the votes that legally elect the president on Monday, December 19.
    In modern times, the casting of electoral votes has been a purely ceremonial occasion in which the state results from Election Day have been rubber-stamped.

    This year, there’s more drama — because there’s been a highly unusual effort to convince Trump-supporting electors to simply not vote for Trump.

    – CBS News on December 21, 2016: “A historic number of “faithless” electors — seven in total–each cast their ballots on Monday for a candidate other than the one who won his or her state.”

    – Newsweek on January 6, 2017: “U.S. Democratic lawmakers planned to challenge President-elect Donald Trump’s Electoral College victory on Friday in a largely symbolic move that is unlikely to gain traction in the Republican-controlled U.S. Congress but exposes lingering dismay over a contentious election campaign.”

    – Paul Krugman in the NYT on January 16, 2017 about Democrat Congressman John Lewis: “Now Mr. Lewis says that he won’t attend the inauguration of Donald Trump, whom he regards as an illegitimate president.”

    – The Hill on May 24, 2017: “According to data from the latest Harvard-Harris poll provided exclusively to The Hill, 68 percent of voters said Democrats have not accepted that Trump won fairly and is a legitimate president.

    That figure includes 69 percent of Republicans, 69 percent of independents and 65 percent of Democrats.

    Only four months into Trump’s presidency, Democrats have openly discussed impeachment and have accused the president of colluding with Russia to win the 2016 election, as well as trying to block investigations into the matter.”

    – Washington Post on September 26, 2019, quoting Hillary Clinton: “No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president. I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.”

The Federal judges are responsible for this escalation of judicial disintegration. The Patriot Act etc. The Federal Courts are marshaling in the destruction of the nation by pretending they cannot read English. …or perhaps our modern judges actually can’t read English….hmmm

    MattMusson in reply to puhiawa. | August 15, 2023 at 6:39 am

    They threw credibility out the window. And, the people saying end the FBI and the CIA are at the point where we are ready to end the Federal Judiciary as we know it.

So, the same indictment that appeared this morning… that the Fulton county courts declared “fictitious” and “inaccurate”… while the grand jury was still hearing testimony, appears hours later, the exact same document, and Fani says no harm, no foul?

Ever DA has political aspirations, be the one to lock up DJT and the stars are the limit.

Before Danny gets in with his claim that Trump demanded that Raffensperger rig the election, and his false hypothetical of Clinton doing the same to the PA SoS in 2016, let me point out that the call transcript shows that this is the exact opposite of what he was trying to do. The transcript shows that he was demanding that Raffensperger unrig the election. He was clearly and utterly convinced (a) that the election in GA had been rigged (I think he was correct about this), and (b) that Raffensperger could easily find the evidence he’d need to unrig it, if he’d only get off his duff and look for it (I think he was incorrect about this). It is impossible to imagine Clinton being in the same situation, without positing an entire alternative universe in which electoral fraud in PA were a Republican rather than a Democrat game; and in such a universe Clinton would not only have been right to do so, she would certainly have done so anyway.

    Milhouse, can you provide two or three links to factual, verified evidence that leads you to believe the “GA election had been rigged” and that Trump actually won the GA election? I’d like to educate myself because I’ve seen nothing convincing that Trump did anything but lose. In addition, both Governor Kemp and Secretary Raffensperger who were on the ground in GA during the election, have clearly indicated their belief – multiple times – that Trump lost the election by a margin of over 10,000 votes.

      The best evidence of massive Democrat fraud in the 2020 election, in every state including GA, is the fact that they fought so hard and went to so much trouble to make such fraud as easy to commit and as difficult to prevent or to detect, as humanly possible. If you learn that one night a bank had all its alarms and cameras turned off, both the front door and the vault left unlocked, the security guards all given the night off, and staff were told not to come in during the night, all external lights were turned off, no count was made of the vault’s contents and all existing records that could shed light on that were deleted, you don’t need direct evidence to know that there was a robbery that night, and that the amount in the vault in the morning is significantly less than the amount that was there the previous evening.

        Ah, that makes sense.

        The state that lost the the 2021 MLB All Star Game because of its new, stricter voting laws signed into law by Governor Kemp “fought so hard and went to so much trouble to make such fraud as easy to commit and as difficult to prevent…”

        Again, do you have any specific evidence pointing to 10,000+ votes that should have been counted for Trump? I’ll wait.

        You see, there are still some conservatives who believe that facts and evidence matter, that logic and reason matter, your sweet story about banks notwithstanding.

        So by your rationale, Trump staff told to abscond with boxes and remove security camera footage is proof positive that he’s guilty as charged. We don’t need no stinking trial or evidence that he lied about retaining classified documents.

        LMFAO

          Are you really this stupid?

          “The state that lost the the 2021 MLB All Star Game because of its new, stricter voting laws signed into law by Governor Kemp “fought so hard and went to so much trouble to make such fraud as easy to commit and as difficult to prevent…”

          2021 Not 2020. Not 2019.

          AFTER the fact.

          Are you seriously trying to say that a law that they passed a year after the suspected fraud stop the fraud?

          Azathoth, I’m replying here because the website won’t let me respond directly to your thread.

          Let’s start by talking about a couple of things I’m not. First, I don’t hide behind a pen name because I’m afraid to let people know who I am. My wife and I are in Chicago. Our last name is Shiba.

          You?

          That’s what I thought… milk toast, afraid, keyboard warrior.

          G*d forbid someone whom I know witnesses comments that I make. Convictions so thin that you’re not willing to stand PERSONALLY behind them.

          I don’t begrudge that you’re like 90%+ of the Trumpistas.

          Small. Afraid. Hiding.

          So let’s be clear. You’ve got a state run by a Republican Governor and a Republican Secretary of State that has all along been cognizant of and forceful in their work to ensure the validity of elections, so much so that even AFTER Trump tried to reverse the votes cast in GA – against their own self interest – consistently and unequivocally state their affirmative belief that Trump LOST.

          …that Kemp and Raffensperger are tools of the anti-Trump forces?

          Yikes.

          I just LOVE keyboard warriors.

          Send me a direct message and I’m glad to have a civil, man-to-man, or man-to-whatever-you-identify-as conversation.

          Peace be with you.

      Milhouse said nothing of the sort. He said that Trump was convinced that the election had been rigged, which I think is sort of obvious from Trump’s repeated actions and words. Trump’s “conspiracy” was just as culpable and criminal as Stacey Abram’s identical conclusions and actions. I’m not noticing an indictment there.

        Bartlett, are you responding to my thread? It doesn’t seem like it. Trump is a bald, red-faced liar so I never comment upon or attempt to contradict with facts anything he says. It’s simply not productive.

        I was speaking to Millhouse’s specific agreement with Trump that the GA election had been rigged.

        “He was clearly and utterly convinced (a) that the election in GA had been rigged (I think he was correct about this),”

        Oh Bartlett, if you can’t understand from the quotation above that Millhouse thought the GA election was rigged, then I’m not sure how anyone could explain it to you.

        Good grief.

          “You see, there are still some conservatives who believe that facts and evidence matter, that logic and reason matter”

          “Trump is a bald, red-faced liar”

          You seem to contradicted yourself.

          “so I never comment upon or attempt to contradict with facts anything he says. It’s simply not productive.”……translation, I can’t contradict with facts anything that Trump says because you have no facts that do,..ie, we’ve been told ad nauseam that Trump told Raffensperger to “find me 11,780 votes,…” but Trump never said that to anyone,..Trump is the most led about politician in the history of the country

          Let’s start here.
          GA was the largest recipient of “Zuckerbucks” to influence the election process (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/washington-secrets/2020-zuckerbucks-in-8-states-90-10-to-biden-counties).

          The money was supposed to be for “COVID-19 safety” but instead went to fund a massive vote by mail program. Vote by mail not properly secured is a recipe for fraud.

          The money was targeted in left leaning districts, and in the districts that received the most money, increased Democrat turnout by 2-3%.
          https://thefga.org/research/zuckerbucks-influenced-georgia-elections/

          The Zuckbucks program, however, was not electoral fraud, was completely legal, and couldn’t be used to challenge the outcome.

          Bartlett, Shibas is correct that I did write that I think Trump was correct in believing that the election in GA (and elsewhere) was rigged. But I think he was incorrect in believing that actionable evidence of this rigging was readily to be found, if only Raffensperger would get off his duff and look for it. I think Raffensperger acted in good faith — but so did Trump. Given what Trump believed, his demands of Raffensperger were reasonable. Given the facts as Raffensperger knew them to be, he could not comply with those demands.

          Shibas, the reforms you cite were implemented after the 2020 election, mostly as a reaction to what went wrong in that election. The rules for the 2020 election were in great measure shaped by Stacy Abrams and other Democrats, with insufficient Republican resistance. Raffensperger shares the blame for that. He may have tried to resist, but if so he didn’t try hard enough.

      The fake “water pipe leak” that stopped ballot counting. Everyone went home except Ruby Freema and her daughter who were filmed pulling suitcases from under the tables an running the “ballots” through multiple times until the “vote Talley” for Zhou Xiden showed he “won” Georgia.

      Neither woman will face any consequences in Atlanta, the Chicago of the South.

        Wow, what a zinger, SophieA! You got me. Wooo Hoo! Zhou Xiden! I get it because I’m of Asian descent. And the Chicago comment. WOW! Just inspiring.

        Good one!

        You are aware that none other than Rudy Giuliani has admitted in a court filing to have lied about Ruby Freeman and her daughter, don’t you?

        And let’s see what Secretary Raffsenberger – re-elected Republican – has to say about Ms. Freeman’s actions.

        “”We are glad the State Election Board finally put this issue to rest,” Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said in a statement.

        “False claims and knowingly false allegations made against these election workers have done tremendous harm,” Raffensperger said. “Election workers deserve our praise for being on the front lines.”

        Trumpistas are such insightful, thoughtful people.

          Shibas

          That is a deliberate mid-representation of the filing in Giuliani’s lawsuit that you picked up from MSNBC or CNN or wherever.

          I’ll give an example to show the point.

          Let’s say your neighbor sues you for willfully shooting his dog and as part of his claim he submits that his dog never came in to your yard as evidence of malice.

          If you know, and had evidence, that his dog did come in to your yard, you may still not contest as a factual matter in the case that his dog never came in to your yard. You don’t want to waste time arguing that point in court when you defense relies on evidence that you never shot his dog.

          Your response is “fine… I’ll concede that point in THIS case only”.

          no, he didn’t admit to lying about them

          “You are aware that none other than Rudy Giuliani has admitted in a court filing to have lied about Ruby Freeman and her daughter, don’t you?”

          Lied? What are you talking about?

          There’s video.

        Milhouse in reply to SophieA. | August 16, 2023 at 4:25 am

        Except that’s not what happened. And the video, the full video, shows it isn’t what happened.

        Nobody was told to go home. There was an announcement that counting was over for the night, so some people went home on their own, in the mistaken belief that they were no longer needed. They should have waited for confirmation; had they done so they would still have been there when the decision was made to keep counting.

        There were no “suitcases”. The boxes under the table were ordinary standard ballot boxes, containing valid ballots. And no, they were not counted multiple times. The full video shows that; the edited and manipulated video deliberately creates the false impression that they did.

        Shibas, don’t be silly. “Zhou Xiden” has nothing to do with your ethnic background, which SophieA had no way of knowing. It is commonplace to posit that Joe Biden is in the service of the CCP; there’s insufficient evidence of this to charge him with a crime, but it’s consistent with his behavior. If it were true, how would he act differently?

      I am taking the comment below from another blog. Not my work but it sounds persuasive. Personally, I watched a full day of testimony by Republican poll watchers in Fulton County who testified under oath to how they were harassed by Fulton County election workers and how they were physically prevented from meaningfully observing the counting process. That, alone, was enough for me to conclude that the entire election process in that County needed an Open and non-partisan investigation. None was done.

      And then there’s what the Voter GA organization says about elections in Georgia:
      https://voterga.org/

      WHAT WE FOUND IN GEORGIA

      Six sworn affidavits of Fulton counterfeit ballots; (10s of thousands est.)

      17,724 more votes than in person recount ballot images required to tabulate votes in Fulton

      Drop box video surveillance representing 181,507 ballots destroyed in 102 counties

      Improper Chain of Custody forms for 107,000 ballots statewide

      Estimated Chain of Custody forms missing for 355,000 ballots statewide (Georgia Star)

      86,860 voters in 2020 have false registration date prior to 2017 but were not on 2017 history file

      Over 1.7 million original ballot images are lost or destroyed in 70 counties despite state, federal law

        I appreciate the citation and conversation. Before I comment on voterga.org and its claims and data, I’m going to read the material.

        I’ve been a Republican poll watcher in Chicago on several occasions and it can get testy. Mostly boring, but sometimes testy!

        Thanks and have a great day!

          What Sutlan just posted happened in numerous jurisdiction around the country and the removal of Republican observers from the vote tabulation/counting process is proof of election fraud

          “I’ve been a Republican poll watcher in Chicago”

          Ah. This explains why the Dem machine controls Chicago so completely..

      I am taking the comment below from another blog. Not my work but it sounds persuasive. Personally, I watched a full day of testimony by Republican poll watchers in Fulton County who testified under oath to how they were harassed by Fulton County election workers and how they were physically prevented from meaningfully observing the counting process. That, alone, was enough for me to conclude that the entire election process in that County needed an Open and non-partisan investigation. None was done.

      And then there’s what the Voter GA organization says about elections in Georgia:
      https://voterga.org/

      WHAT WE FOUND IN GEORGIA

      Six sworn affidavits of Fulton counterfeit ballots; (10s of thousands est.)

      17,724 more votes than in person recount ballot images required to tabulate votes in Fulton

      Drop box video surveillance representing 181,507 ballots destroyed in 102 counties

      Improper Chain of Custody forms for 107,000 ballots statewide

      Estimated Chain of Custody forms missing for 355,000 ballots statewide (Georgia Star)

      86,860 voters in 2020 have false registration date prior to 2017 but were not on 2017 history file

      Over 1.7 million original ballot images are lost or destroyed in 70 counties despite state, federal law

They forgot to charge Trump’s ham sandwich

Now – Trump should force the issue (and yes, the civil war) by refusing to show up for the indictments, and getting DeSantis to refuse extradition.

Steven Brizel | August 15, 2023 at 6:15 am

So Democrats can challenge elections and Republicans and conservatives can’t-that is the theme of all of these constitutionally dubious investigations and indictments

State charges in GA cannot be pardoned until 5 years after time served.
Just heard that on the news. This is by design.

When will the legal grown ups take over..

    Steven Brizel in reply to amwick. | August 15, 2023 at 8:32 am

    Trump should immediately remove the case to Federal court since the allegations clearly implicate violations of the First Amendment

But they can be overturned since Trump has a Constitutional Right to Redress grievances and Freedom of Speech.

Just heard that one of the “crimes” that Trump committed was telling his followers to watch a TV show

The Gentle Grizzly | August 15, 2023 at 8:12 am

Questions:

1) How much of this is political, and how much of this is a black politician striving for fame by bringing down a highly successful white man?

2) “Conspiracy”. This is for you legal beagles. Conspiring to do something is not doing that something. It is not even considering it. It is discussions with others. No one has DONE anything. Is “conspiracy” the original thought crime?

    1. Yes to both questions.
    2. It’s also called using his free speech to call out issues he is seeing. But apparently that is illegal now.

    No, it’s not a thought crime, because it requires an agreement to commit a crime, and an overt act in furtherance of that agreement. It’s value neutral because it doesn’t matter what the conspirators’ opinions are, all that matters is that they agreed to commit a crime. It doesn’t matter what crime, so long as it’s a crime.

      Sultan in reply to Milhouse. | August 15, 2023 at 10:35 am

      But if they conspired to unrig an election, that is not a crime. No matter how many “overt acts” there were.

        MarkS in reply to Sultan. | August 15, 2023 at 11:48 am

        At Robert Bork’s confirmation hearing, he stated that committing a small crime in exposing a larger crime is basically allowed,…was he right?

    answer: bringing down a white man is political

seems like we got an awful lot o’ ham sandwiches down in Georgia

This is setting an interesting precedent about how a local County DA can go before a grand jury an get indictments returned for speech and collision even speech and actions outside their. State, much less their County. The impersonating a public officer charge is particularly interesting. Let’s apply this same logic to Covid and the multitude of people involved in that fiasco of lies and false narratives. Don’t forget that the Sec of HHS was required to submit a reappointment for Fauci (among others) but failed to do so. Fauci was acting without being legally appointed for six + months. There’s way more public evidence to support this list of charges in the Covid fiasco than this BS v Trump.

Now that a DA in blue enclave has blazed the trail together with much rejoicing by the d/prog and lapdog legacy media lets find a nice rural red County and do the same for Covid. If nothing else it will demonstrate how dangerous an escalation and how much of departure from prior practices this politically motivated indictment actually is.

Accuse the opposition of what you, yourselves are actually doing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh5j7s1H7ek

“Changing the outcome of an election” is not a crime (or you can be charged with it by simply voting). Forging or destroying ballots is a crime, as well as harassing voters, sabotaging voting machines and the like. Those are specific charges and whether or not those acts change the outcome is immaterial.

(And “Election Interference” can only occur before or during the election or during the counting of votes.)

But the pattern we are seeing with these indictments is pretending something is a crime and then charging conspiracy, obstruction by false statement and/or solicitation in furtherance of that “crime”. And then throw in RICO charges to catch the lawyers and advisers.

We are now in a full blown banana republic where it’s established that challenging elections or petitioning government is now a crime if the state does not like it.

Let’s TEST DeSantis. If I were one of the 19 indicted by this rigged grand jury, other than Trump who must continue his campaign and has nearly unlimited resources, I would remove myself immediately to Florida, if I were not already there, and demand DeSantis grant me asylum by refusing any Georgia extradition request. This would be an interesting play to see where De Santis actually, truly stands.

    Ugh. I’ll just let Milhouse deal with this nonsense.

      Azathoth in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 15, 2023 at 1:13 pm

      Yeah. We know where you stand.

        LOL, your first comment here was on May 30th. Of THIS year. Who do you think you are?

          Azathoth in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 15, 2023 at 4:05 pm

          Nah. Started commenting here during the Trayvon Martin farce.

          Don’t think it was wordpress back then. Either way, reupped in May.

          Who do I think I am? Azathoth, blind, idiot daemon-sultan, god of chaos who lives at the Center of All Things.

          That’s who.

          Azathoth in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 15, 2023 at 4:09 pm

          Oh, here’s a bit of a pro-tip for the internets that has to do with you not knowing I’d been here a while –people on the internet change names, sometimes some of them even sock-puppet and have more than one they use as an ally, either way, it’s best not to assume that someone’s a noob so quick.

          The fact that you commented a decade ago does not make you a regular here; showing back up in May of THIS year makes you just as much a noob as if you hadn’t taken ten years off. And your attacks on LI authors and the site more generally suggest that you didn’t pay much attention to how things work here, either then or in the interim. Keep going, though. It’s funny.

    Milhouse in reply to Peter Floyd. | August 15, 2023 at 3:51 pm

    Um, no. Refusing extradition by another state is not a thing.

    A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

    Desantis would have no discretion to refuse. If he tried, any federal court would order him to do so, and have him arrested for contempt if he refused.

    CommoChief in reply to Peter Floyd. | August 15, 2023 at 4:00 pm

    Couple of points here:
    1. How many bites at the extradition apple as some sort of ‘TEST’ do you want? DeSantis already stated in March he and the State of Florida would not assist the State of NY with an extradition request resulting from Bragg prosecution.

    2. Trump has unlimited resources? If so why is the campaign footing the legal bills instead of him paying them from his own wealth? The last FEC filing showed 80% of the campaign outflow was for legal bills. Sooner or later that will dry up as donors reach the max contribution limits.

      Milhouse in reply to CommoChief. | August 16, 2023 at 4:27 am

      DeSantis already stated in March he and the State of Florida would not assist the State of NY with an extradition request resulting from Bragg prosecution.

      And that was an empty threat, since he would have no choice in the matter.

        CommoChief in reply to Milhouse. | August 16, 2023 at 12:29 pm

        Sure he would. As you correctly point out he can say ‘No we won’t cooperate’ …right up to the point a Federal CT orders him to do so.

        Forcing your political opponents to go through a Federal CT to get an order REQUIRING cooperation is a choice. One DeSantis still has.

        Ultimately a Federal CT would almost certainly order Florida to cooperate but it very explicitly lays out the distinction of whether one is voluntarily doing something or being forced to do something.

So, the best they could do was to charge Mr. Trump with objecting vocally to an election that looked as rotten as Hunter’s uncapped teeth? We all saw what happened overnight November 3 and 4, 2020: what the numbers looked like in the swing precincts at midnight and the magic mathematics that swapped tens of thousands of votes over from the Trump column to the Biden column and the shutdown of the Fulton County State Farm Arena due to a supposedly leaking toilet, plus the ensuing monkey business with roller-bags full of ballots under the tables captured by the closed-circuit cameras. The miraculous wee-hour harvest of ballots in Milwaukee; US Postal Service truck full of completed ballots out of Bethpage, Long Island, that turned up in Philadelphia; Mark Zuckerberg’s $419-million-dollar operation using two front organizations, the Center for Technology and Civic Life (CTCL) and the Center for Election Innovation and Research (CEIR) to staff precinct election boards with party shills and buy votes; the thumb drives and modems in the vote-counting machines.

a high IQ doesn’t guarantee political intelligence or even basic common sense. I refer you to The Intellectuals, by Paul Johnson