Jordan Peterson Facing Legal Battle and ‘Remedial Training’ to Retain His License
“At issue is a January letter Peterson received from the Ontario College of Psychologists”
It’s positively stunning to see the way the progressive establishment has gone after Jordan Peterson over the years. There is nothing radical about him or his teachings.
The College Fix reports:
Jordan Peterson battles in court over demand to undergo remedial training or lose license
Jordan Peterson’s legal fight against the College of Psychologists of Ontario, which has ordered him to undergo a social media re-education to keep his license, took center stage in an Ontario courtroom on Wednesday.
At issue is a January letter Peterson received from the Ontario College of Psychologists demanding he undergo a “remedial” re-education for his controversial Twitter commentary or lose his license as a psychologist.
The Canadian Constitution Foundation appeared in court on Wednesday to support Peterson in his legal battle against the regulatory college. The foundation on Wednesday argued that “professional regulators may not regulate off-duty conduct unless they can establish a clear nexus between that specific conduct and the legitimate interest of the profession. And where off-duty conduct engages a Charter right, like freedom of expression, regulators have a heightened duty to ensure they have given full effect to the Charter protection,” according to a June 21 news release.
CCF Litigation Director Christine Van Geyn stated in the release that people “in regulated professions have private lives outside of their professional roles. Any intrusion on the right of an individual to participate in public discourse, including through controversial statements in social media, must be rigorously examined to ensure that a regulator is not over-stepping its mandate.”
According to the Toronto Star, Peterson’s legal team also argued the panel’s “cursory analysis” took some of his comments out of context: “Some were sarcastic jokes; others were made in salty exchanges; and others needed to be read together with Dr. Peterson’s fuller explanations of them. Many of the comments were made on Twitter, which is an environment that does not allow for nuanced exposition.”
In contrast, the college’s lawyers “argued the panel’s order does not ‘meaningfully’ limit Peterson’s freedom of expression because it does not prohibit him from saying anything and the remedial measure is not a sanction or penalty,” the Star reported.
The Toronto Sun and the Star reported the court has reserved its decision for a later date.
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If the order to attend a re-education camp is not “a sanction or penalty,” why was it ordered in the first place?
The gatekeepers are insane, not Peterson.
I think they’re seriously trying to argue that the re-education order is not itself a sanction or penalty, as if the order and its consequences are separable. The actual sanction comes later when he doesn’t comply.
They may be trying to argue that.
The “reeducation” is a service paid by the hour, by the student. It goes on until the instructor / consultant / reeducator declares the
victimstudent rehabilitated.Interesting head stands it’ll take to claim that *that* isn’t a penalty.
It used to chap my hide whenever someone on mahogany row at the Balloon company got caught with their pants down and EVERYONE had to take an ethics refresher course.
“…and the remedial measure is not a sanction or penalty,” If threatening to remove a license to practice is not a penalty then what is it?
As Dilbert said, they are oddly aggressive for Canadians.
Seriously, I’d love to see some tinpot asshole at a “re-education camp” attempt to re-educate Jordan Peterson. Jordan would have him cutting out paper dolls within a week.
Give it enough time, and he’d be killed.
Orwellian.
Orwell was a naive optimist.
“In contrast, the college’s lawyers “argued the panel’s order does not ‘meaningfully’ limit Peterson’s freedom of expression because it does not prohibit him from saying anything and the remedial measure is not a sanction or penalty,” the Star reported.”
Surreal reality in Trudeau’s Canada these days, where human rights have taken a beating from pretenders that preach virtue and wear blackface.
There is nothing surprising in any of this. Contemporary Leftists and Dumb-o-crats are ugly, unabashed and vindictive totalitarians. In years past, they would make an effort to cloak their obnoxiously totalitarian ethos and attitude under a veneer/pretense of respecting dissenting views and opinions, but, no longer.
Now, the vile Leftists and Dumb-o-crats are gleefully letting their inner Maoist/Stalinist have free rein and expression. People who possess the temerity to hold and express opinions at variance with Leftist/Dumb-o-crat orthodoxies must be vilified, punished and crushed.
For those still in the rat race it’s a definite problem. You either keep your head down and your mouth shut or risk your career, livelihood and reputation. Probably puts your spouse’s career, your kids mental state and perhaps your marriage in jeopardy as well.
Those of us voluntarily on the sidelines of the rat race pose a problem for the totalitarian minded b/c they can’t get at us directly. Most of these Marxist minded useful idiots are too lazy or unimaginative to figure out how to come after us when we speak up. Some of us would be much harder to get to than some poor college kid or underpaid wage slave in a cubicle where the woke weirdo HR/DEI coordinators rule with an iron fist.
I can’t be fired, I don’t have any debt, I own my vehicles, tools, equipment, home and a small productive acreage of land. I ain’t in the race. I live in a rural Red State so my like minded neighbors ain’t exactly on board with the woke weirdo brigades; they ain’t gonna march on my property. I am as close to Galt’s gulch as is possible. I suggest y’all do the same.
You’re in a good position, thankfully. As you observe, though, for any person who is in a more delicate employment situation and who can’t afford to lose their job and their livelihood, he/she must stifle their political opinions in the workplace, smiling while the Dumb-o-crat employees and management get to obnoxiously spout their noxious views as if they represented unassailable sagacity and enlightenment, and, majority opinion.
It’s galling as hell, but, this is the consequence when the Dumb-o-crats control corporate management, media, academia, popular culture and most of the levers of government, and, when they operate with an utterly ruthless Maoist/Stalinist mindset that is committed to purging dissenters.
Agreed. I was in the same position for decades and decided to get away as soon as I could make a clean financial break. I worked, planned, delayed gratification, saved and invested to get myself here; this was my goal. If I can do it on a Soldier’s salary y’all can do it too in more lucrative career fields.
Start small, heck just forego the BS $5 daily coffee. That’s $1,800 right there. Lots of other ways to cut back on expenses. Shop the outlet malls. Eat home cooked meals v takeout or restaurants. A significant portion of the money to become financially independent is already in your budget but you have to be willing to reallocate it. It isn’t easy but it is attainable if we are willing to do the work to get there.
You’ve got the right attitude and mindset about frugality and financial independence, Chief.
I started planning 20 years ago for the day I can just walk away. I have zero personal debt. My company is also debt free and I could shut it down with 30 days notice.
Everyone thinks F U money is some astronomical amount but really it isn’t. It’s enough to have an excess after paying for your necessities, hobbies, socking some away and a few guilty pleasures.
It is very doable for most people IF they can rein in their temptation to consume. It’s hard b/c the modern West is built on conspicuous consumption but once begun it gets easier as you realize what is important v what is keeping up with the Jones.
To quote Office Space ‘we were not put on this earth to work in a cubicle’. Further ask yourself the question the ‘Bob’s asked; ‘what is it you would say you do here?’ If its the functional equivalent of TPS reports….find something else that’s more fulfilling if at all possible.
People would be surprised on how little it takes without any debt and wasting money eating out every day.
Excellent advice! One also has to avoid tours at the Capitol Building.
Yeah avoiding conflict when possible is always the better choice.
They are no longer left, Marxists and other flavors of subversives.
So for now, Ontario is vying to be Canada’s ‘Supreme Soviet’.
This will spread to all licensed professions in the west. Competitors and enemies wills scour social media to inform on each other. We will become a society of snitches who are celebrated as heroes.
It’s already happened in California:
California Bar attempting to disbar Trump attorney John Eastman:
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/23/1183844921/what-weve-learned-from-pro-trump-attorney-john-eastmans-state-bar-trial
Have to love NPR’s unbiased reporting.
“Hours later, a violent pro-Trump mob stormed the U.S. Capitol.”
“election deniers”
Your tax “contributions” at work…
He doesn’t toe the company line.
The “Charter” in the quotes above refers to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which is pretty much a joke. For all is talked about regarding Canadians’ “freedom of expression” it is important to note that it not the equivalent of the First Amendment in the United States. As you can see with Dr. Peterson, it’s not even close.
And it’s not just him: Just ask evangelical pastors and they’ll tell you that there are certain subjects they can’t preach about unless they want to be in front of a human rights commission and shelling out thousands in legal fees and fines. Right now, preaching against Medical Assistance in Dying is OK but I wouldn’t be surprised if that changes as eligibility for it expands.
Peterson’s youtube channel is viewed by mostly men…85% or so. Can we see a picture here of the makeup of the inquisition panel? Karens and some Kens. Plus… as a bonus… throw in Canada!!!
Being woke means you can be asleep at the wheel.
I’m I correct in thinking a Jen us a Karen with outdoor plumbing?
Gonna go out on a.limb (not) and predict the composition of the panel will be overwhelmingly college educated white women and college educated minorities. Both groups skew way left in voting patterns and in polling on social/political issues than the average person.
Could he move to America and lob truth bombs on adversaries in Canada?
Only if he can sneak down to Laredo and chat in convincing Spanish, eh?
Brandon is not accepting applications for residencies from wypipo.
Is it Ken or Kevin? Is there a consensus?
The Trudeau government is descending into something akin to Cold War era police state tactics. Mounties as their modern day Securitate.
It is amazing how so many formerly honorable and patriotic enforcement agencies, both here and elsewhere, have been compromised. FIB, Mounties, English bobbies….
Must be the old “I vas chust followvink orders” excuse.
Shame.
Struggle sessions. Very Maoist
Only people who have never been properly educated in the first place would have the chutzpah to say a highly educated psychologist like Jordan Peterson, with whom they disagree, needs to be “re-educated” in Marxist ideology.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
It’s Castreau’s Canada. Free speech need not apply, Prole
America is not far behind. It’s impossible for this nation to remain 50 states and remain a free nation.
Peterson has a topic on that….. there comes a point where a large country is too large and begins to fragment. Witness Red versus Blue. The only way to keep such a large mess in one piece is a strong authoritarian government… not a good thing when one side embraces Maoist/Leninist theory.
If it’s not a penalty then he should take the course and just blow it up for all of its fallacies on social media afterward. I think that would be a pretty effective takedown actually. Not sure they could do anything about it unless they want to amend that whole “not a penalty” argument.
The college seems like a very craven and disingenuous bunch. Even for psychologists!
How many fingers am I holding up, Mr. Peterson?
“the remedial measure is not a sanction or penalty,”
As a Licensed Nurse of almost 30 years; “do this or lose your license is the definition of a sanction/punishment.”
This argument is complete horse exhaust. Unfortunately we are talking about Canada where no Freedom of Speech exists and you can go to jail for offending someone.
I spent the first 10 years of my career in Psychiatrics and part of the reason I left psych is because I saw it sliding more and more left, which the whole profession has done so now. But in Medicine the beating heart of leftism (a.k.a. Socialism) is in the psych field.
I spent my first 10 years as a
Lol, guess I forgot to delete all of my rewrites.
Irony is dead.
The Lobster King, Kermit-Hitler, there, first hit big fame for his stand on “Bill C-16”, which was about semi- extra-judicial bodies imposing penalties for wrongspeak. Tho aggressively misrepresented otherwise, his position as stated was objecting to govt compelled speech, based on arbitrary subjective criteria of “offense.”
The screaming meemies declared him Kermit Hitler, he got famous, then pretty rich. They’re just pissed off that their retribution plan backfired. They’re going after his license mostly from spite. (He often illustrates his broader analysis with anecdotes from his clinical practice. So, take his license, there’s a shot to take at those stories: You have no license. They already forced him to shut down his cliical practice, mostly from harassment extending to clients.)
Irony is dead. There is no irony on the internet, and the internet has eaten the world.
Licensing is just about protecting consumers. True … in this case protecting consumers of not the licensed service, from exposure to WrongThink.