Gov. Ron DeSantis Calls for Florida Grand Jury to Investigate COVID Vaccines
DeSantis’ move pairs well with Musk inviting Great Barrington Declaration author Dr. Jay Bhattacharya to review the Twitter Files on the platform’s manipulation of information related to covid.
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has announced plans to form a grand jury to review the safety of mRNA covid vaccines and the pandemic policies put forth by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
In the petition filed with the Florida Supreme Court, the Republican governor requests the empaneling of a grand jury to investigate a broad group of entities associated with the development, distribution and promotion of the vaccines, including pharmaceutical manufacturers and their executive officers, as well as medical associations.
DeSantis also said Tuesday he was launching a public health integrity committee – a panel that would counter the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which DeSantis said “is not serving a useful function; it’s really serving to advance narratives rather than do evidence-based medicine.” The panel would assess guidance and actions from federal agencies, such as the National Institutes of Health, US Food and Drug Administration and the CDC.
During a roundtable with Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo, DeSantis had especially blunt words for the public health bureaucracy.
“We’ve seen over the past few years, really, the bankruptcy of the public health establishment,” DeSantis said during the discussion before criticizing public health officials’ decisions to attend and promote racial justice protests at the height of the pandemic.
“If that doesn’t just go to show this is all just a huge political farce, I don’t know what it is,” he added. “…I think you’ve continued to see people in these bureaucracies and in this establishment behave in ways that have totally squandered any type of confidence or goodwill that people would have.
“And our CDC at this point, anything they put out, you just assume at this point that it’s not worth the paper that it’s printed on.”
Analysts who are looking for signs about DeSantis’ plans for 2024 have used this announcement to try to forecast whether he has plans to run and challenge former President Donald Trump.
Should DeSantis decide to enter the 2024 presidential contest, the pandemic is one area where the governor could accentuate the differences between himself and Trump, whose administration launched the COVID-19 vaccines in record time.
While the governor hasn’t directly criticized Trump or said whether he intends to pursue the presidency, DeSantis made his latest announcement geographically close to Mar-a-Lago, the oceanfront private club and estate where Trump lives in Palm Beach.
DeSantis often holds major announcements at locations that carry subliminal messages. For instance, he has taken to publicly calling Biden “Brandon” in a nod to the anti-Biden chant “Let’s Go, Brandon,” and last year signed a bill in Brandon, Florida, when he banned workplace vaccine mandates.
However, those of us who have been following the failures associated with the politicized pandemic response will focus on the findings related to the vaccines, the promotion of those vaccines, and how social media platforms were used to focus on the narrative and suppress reasonable challenges against that narrative.
DeSantis’ move pairs well with Twitter CEO Elon Musk inviting Great Barrington Declaration author and Stanford Medical School Professor Dr. Jay Bhattacharya to review the Twitter Files on the platform’s manipulation of information related to the coronavirus and the response to it.
Twitter 1.0’s blacklisting of @DrJBhattacharya, which was uncovered in the Twitter Files, is proof that Big Tech and the medical establishment targeted scientific dissenters to control the narrative around COVID-19. pic.twitter.com/PY5OjBhxnv
— Ron DeSantis (@GovRonDeSantis) December 13, 2022
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I support President Trump although t don’t dislike Desantis. But what? Federal immunity and preemption might be small barriers for his grand jury.
The requirements for informed consent didn’t disappear and when info and data about risk was withheld from patients and the broader public that’s a problem. Practically no one, if anyone, could make an informed decision so no informed consent could be undertaken. An employer or University or K-12 School District who imposed a vax mandate but didn’t ensure informed consent could be undertaken may very well have a problem.
Another avenue is the various medical associations. Where they proclaimed, without adequate evidence, that x population should take the vax and that the rewards far outweighed the risk they many have a problem. State government has lots of tools at their disposal. Certification, regulation, State contracts, authority to do business within a State.
Not exactly sure how various state and private actors fit into any liability scheme, civil or criminal but I suggest the issues will be complex. And as for the feds and big pharma fish, you’ve got immunity and preemption and complaining about lack of informed consent probably ain’t going to cut it. Don’t think those federal immunities are conditioned on providing informed consent, however, I’d be happy to be proven wrong.
I agree it’s an open question on direct liability but there are other ways to approach punitive measures if the State Govt decides to do so.
False claims were made, especially as we know they never even tested whether or not those “vaccines” stopped or even slowed spread between people. We were told that if you get the jab you won’t get sick, this is patently false. There are thousands of officials and organizations that repeated that claim.
That could well be a problem if this were about finding liability. But as far as I can tell it’s not about that, it’s simply about finding out the facts. And neither immunity nor preemption can prevent them from having to testify and provide evidence.
The Surgeon General of Florida has a team reviewing the mRNA vaccine side effects on pregnant women, fetuses and fertility in general.
I look forward to what they will release.
Pharma execs maybe, although I think they may raise a few objections. Federal actors I think would quash any subpoenas to testify although I admit I’m not that knowledgeable here. I’m thinking though it won’t go that smoothly for the state if this grand jury ever really starts.
There was fraud in the inducement to enter into the “no liability” agreement. The vaxx makers made material misrepresentations, and falsified and hid data during their trials of the vaxxes.
In high exposure risk/high lethality risk situations such as nursing home patients, the Covid vaccines were fantastic.
In high exposure risk/medium lethality risk situation such as nurses/doctors/school teachers, the vaccines were quite useful. (My wife’s a teacher and got her shots as early as possible, with boosters, since schools are giant disease petri dishes)
In medium exposure risk/high lethality situations (i.e. immune compromised or similar) also very useful.
When we start dropping into med/med territory, it gets rapidly fuzzy.
When we go down to low/low, no. Probably 95% of kids don’t need this, since the risk exceeds the benefit. When we get down to infants, that’s really jumping the shark.
I got my shot mostly because of workplace rules, since I already had Covid before it (and it sucks, bigtime, in spades) but partially because I’m older and didn’t want to suffer through Covid II – Son of Covid “This time it’s personal.” I had no problem with the possible side effects, but what really disturbed me was the sheer fanaticism of the pro-shot loons. There was no cost/benefit analysis in their logic. The shot had no problems, it fixed everything, and anybody who asked questions was (fill in horrid personal attacks here).
“but what really disturbed me was the sheer fanaticism of the pro-shot loons. There was no cost/benefit analysis in their logic. The shot had no problems, it fixed everything, and anybody who asked questions was (fill in horrid personal attacks here).”
THIS. THIS. RIGHT. HERE. is the reason I balked at the masks, the shutdowns, the mandates, the shots.
I was quite ready, in March and April of 2020 to go along with the masks, the shutdowns because we did NOT KNOW. But as time went on, and people who asked questions were shut down with ad hominem attacks, I quit being willing to comply. Convince me, not command me.
Were they? We know for certain, due to statements made by pfizer execs under oath, that they were never even tested to see if they would protect you from spread even though they made that claim. The fallback, the idea that you will have less severe disease is unfalsifiable, it can’t be proven or disproven as we have no way of knowing how a particular person’s experience would have changed. The so-called vaccines are a fraud, they are snake oil and they may well be much more harm than good.
I though that HCQ and Ivermectin were snake oil. What gives? /s
Since they were never properly tested before they were slandered, who knows? I do know quite a few folks who will swear up and down that taking ivermectin got them better.
I’m 75 and in good health thanks to the bride.
I stopped wearing a mask in May of 2020, I had the FauciFlu when it first came around, and then again in January of this year. I have not been, nor will I be, vaxxed. In two bouts with it, I did not miss a day of work. Drank lots of fluids, got extra sleep.
The very idea that we would lock down the nation and “require” vaccinations – that do not work – for something with a 99.7% survival rate, even with vastly inflated death numbers is criminal. Fauci and most of the CDC/NIH and several tons of politicians should all be in prison for what they did to the nation.
People are dying from the vaxx and the same people who forced the lockdowns/vaxx are doing everything they can to cover up the death toll.
Actually, there’s little proof the vaxxes save lives, and evidence that they did not reduce severe cases.
Analysis of blood samples taken before the vaxxes were released has allowed researches to determine COVID’s true IFR (infection fatality rate). That rate did not change following the introduction of the vaxxes, as it should have if they were effective at saving lives.
A preliminary analysis of vaccination and severe cases of COVID in the UK show that hospitalization rates follow (identically) vaccination rates. For instance, if a given age group has a 70% vaccination rate, the vaccinated in that group make up 70% of those hospitalized for COVID. This gives the strong appearance (at least) that the vaxxes have no effect on the rates of severe cases of COVID.
The vaxxes appear to have zero effect. (This is without considering their potential adverse effect on all-cause mortality.)
Giving the vaxx to millions of healthy people, who were at low risk of death of severe infection in the first place, and then not having them die or be hospitalized for COVID, gives the mistaken impression that the vaccines were responsible for their safety and health. The actual numbers do not support the anecdote.
*YAWN*. Nothing is going to happen to the MIC (medical industrial complex), nothing is going to happen to all the bad actors that pushed/pimped the vaccines. Nothing is going to bring back all the people killed by the vaccines, those who will die from it soon, and make whole all those disabled by the jab.
The only person that the vaccines will destroy in 2024 is Trump, because he endorsed “operation warp-speed” and he OWNS it. Trust me, the left is waiting to use this fact against him, they will trot out all the “experts” about how the vaccine is deadly and cost millions of people’s lives and all the other issues and lay it at his feet before the 2024 election.
The limit of liability for Trump is that he neither endorsed nor forced mandates of the non-sterilizing therapeutic treatment (“vaccine”). And he changed the domain experts (Fauci et al) who advised for affirmative action, including: masking, sequestration, distancing, and inoculation.
Those facts may be true, but like I said the left will pin all the damage done on Trump. They will “all of a sudden” discover all the vaccine injuries and deaths and collate them with Trump and is response to the plandemic. They will do anything to destroy him and keep him out of office.
That may be so. But to pin it on Trump, they must, as you say, make admissions about the safety and effectiveness of the vaxxes. This will still catch a large number of liberal statists in the trap. I’m not sure they’re willing to take that almost certain risk.
If we DO nothing then yes, nothing will happen. Just like we now have with Twitter expose the fraud and corruption. Apply pressure. Otherwise sit around and piss and moan about how “nothing is going to happen”.
If evidence is uncovered that Pfizer or Moderna suppressed internal data showing an awareness of negative cardiological and/or health effects from the “vaccines,” that would seem to give rise to substantial potential liability, especially given that the FDA cut corners and fast-tracked the vaccines for approval, side-stepping normal clinical trial processes.
Here in Florida this does not come as a surprise, especially on the heals of Elon Musk wanting to “prosecute Fauci”. But there is a bigger picture here. Trump pushed vaccines while Ron is not. This is an increasing debate within the GOP. This is one where Desantis wins.
Trump did not push vaccine mandates, and he advocated re-opening the economy. He also mentioned hydroxychloroquine as a possible game-changer, which it would have been, had our disingenuous medical-industrial-complex (I like that, MIC) outright lied about what they said was the dangerousness of this drug, along with the alleged antiviral inactivity of Ivermectin.
We still have public officials whipping up hysteria about the current flu season, when what they should be doing is advocating supplementation of D, C, and a multivitamin with zinc and trace selenium during cold-and-flu season, and also coverage of blood tests for serum D to be covered by insurance.
Trump is vulnerable on Covid. He very publicly took shots at States and localities that ended lock downs ‘too soon’. Florida ended their lockdown and Trump went after Sweden on the same day for refusing to lockdown.
He could have had the DoJ seeking to assist
Lot of unknowns and you may be projecting what you know now on the situation back then. I believe though there is ample evidence showing Trump never forced these shots on anyone. But I think he should reassess his earlier position.
Trump got a lot of bad advice from the “experts”. As a businessman, he surrounded himself with what he thought were the best in their fields and expected them to do what was supposed to be good for the country. He underestimated the deep state and the trolls infesting it including the chief one, that malignant little gnome Fauci
No serious person blames Trump for streamlined vax creation/emergency approval.
What we can reasonably do is ask what DJT did or did not do in face of lock down mania. Add to that the wholly unscientific rational to push for mask mandates and 6Ft social distancing.
The data on masks was already in. They knew it was BS at self protection for the wearer. They knew a mask would at best prevent globular splatter. They knew it would have zero effectiveness in preventing aerosol transmission b/c the masks were not designed to do that; even N95.
The 6FT social distancing rule was fabricated. It was made up out of whole cloth with zero basis in any evidence. Then we have the crazy lock downs which were unprecedented.
Trump could have come out and said No. He could have reviewed the ‘evidence’ and found out there wasn’t any then put a halt to the erroneous, made up CDC guidance. I could have had the DoJ intervene to assist individuals in fighting back in CT to prevent the violations of civil rights via lockdowns.
His vulnerability is in the path not taken in contrast to other political leaders. Will it be decisive? Time will tell but plenty of folks are still very PO about Rona mania and those who by commission or omission enabled the Fauchi fascists to implement totalitarian rules doing incredible damage to the Nation.
Since the experimental gene therapies don’t actually work that great and a recent study showed that children who got the vaccine actually got sicker than children who didn’t I think a little actual scientific exploration is in order. If it works so great then are we expected to vax our kids every 6 months for the rest of their lives? Really???
It is not so much about liability as it is about many crimes that were committed. For example, the EULA inventory had to pulled when Cominarity was approved, but it wasn’t. The definition of a vaccine was changed, but the law was passed under the old definition. Therefore none of the Covid “vaccines” are legally vaccines. By law, the test results have to be made public when Cominarity was approved, but they weren’t. Cominarity fails the distribution test, so by law it has to pulled from the market, but it wasn’t. The violation of these laws took millions of lives. We will have to see if it matter.
The day that Cominarity was “approved” (which means the patented name and manufacturing location were the only things approved) was immediately pulled back under the EULA dues to certain uses not “approved” as well as it being the same formulation as the other jab. Cominarity to this day is still under the EULA. It was all a shell game.
The approval of Comirnaty did not make the EUA vax obsolete. The EUA would only be unsustainable if there is approved and readily available vaccine. Pfizer has said that Comirnaty is not, and is unlikely to become, available in the US. Therefore the EUA for the original formulation of the vaccine is still valid.
Comirnaty is not under the EUA. The original formulation, and others derived from it that are not labeled “Comirnaty” are. Comirnaty has been approved, but it is not available. If it were available, it wouldn’t be, and couldn’t be, under the EUA, because “approval” means it is not, by definition, an experimental biologic.
Keep in mind that FDA “approval” only authorizes labeling and marketing of a sort that is not permitted of experimental biologics. Two formulations of a biologic could be functionally indistinguishable, but if only one has been approved, the approved version is the only one that could be marketed by its manufacturer as “safe and effective.” Notice that Pfizer doesn’t make claims for its EUA product. All the claims for the safety and effectiveness of the vaxxes are coming from third parties. Pfizer can’t make the claim here, because Comirnaty is not available here.