Liz Cheney Would “Find It Difficult” To Support “Dangerous” Ron DeSantis, Exposing Her Real Agenda
At least she has confirmed what we’ve all long-suspected: her “crusade” is not just against President Trump, it’s to restore Bush-Cheney Republicans to power over the party.
Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney (R-ish) has insisted that President Trump is a unique threat to “our democracy” and that she is attempting to save the GOP from a once-in-a-lifetime dangerous tyrant.
She even trotted out her father to wax on about how Trump is so unique a threat that “In our nation’s 246-year history, there has never been an individual who has posed a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump.”
“In our nation’s 246 year history there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our Republic than Donald Trump.” Dick Cheney pic.twitter.com/erBPBNy8ah
— Liz Cheney (@Liz_Cheney) August 4, 2022
Of course, no one with two brain cells to rub together has really believed that Liz’s war on Trump is about President Trump, per se, let alone that it is principled or about anything other than pushing forward a failed and unpopular agenda.
It’s always been about returning the GOP to the failed progressive big government, big taxing, war-mongering “compassionate conservative” days of the Bush-Cheney administration.
What's the liberal explanation for why Dick and Liz Cheney hate Trump?
Is it that this duo — once called Nazis — are actually noble patriots of integrity and law?
Or is it that Trump campaigned on the most vocal denunciation of neocon foreign policy since Ron Paul – and won?
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) August 5, 2022
Liz just undermined her own phony posturing against Trump as a unique threat by finding yet another Republican who is the biggest unique threat to “our democracy” than any since the nation’s founding. And stuff.
Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., wouldn’t commit to throwing her weight behind Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis if he were the GOP presidential candidate in 2024 because of his similarities to former President Donald Trump.
“I think that Ron DeSantis has lined himself up almost entirely with Donald Trump, and I think that’s very dangerous,” Cheney said during an interview at a house party last week, according to the New York Times.
Cheney, who faces an uphill climb to keep her seat in Congress during next week’s Wyoming primary election, said she “would find it very difficult” to support DeSantis in a general election, but also brushed off talk that she would change parties.
“I’m a Republican,” she said during the interview, though she argued that the party “may not be” salvageable in the short term because it is “very sick” and “is continuing to drive itself in a ditch and I think it’s going to take several cycles if it can be healed.”
It’s going to take a lot more than that to drag Republican voters back to the big government, big spending, big war GOP past they resoundingly rejected and continue to reject.
In the New York Times interview entitled “Liz Cheney Is Ready to Lose. But She’s Not Ready to Quit” and subheaded “The Republican says her crusade to stop Donald J. Trump will continue — even if she loses her primary next week…”, Cheney appears to be laser-focused on curing a Republican Party to the point that it has no relationship whatsoever to that party’s base (archive link). It’s puzzling and bizarre.
It was just over a month before her primary, but Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming was nowhere near the voters weighing her future.
Ms. Cheney was instead huddled with fellow lawmakers and aides in the Capitol complex, bucking up her allies in a cause she believes is more important than her House seat: ridding American politics of former President Donald J. Trump and his influence.
“The nine of us have done more to prevent Trump from ever regaining power than any group to date,” she said to fellow members of the panel investigating Mr. Trump’s involvement in the Jan. 6 Capitol attack. “We can’t let up.”
. . . . Yet for Ms. Cheney, the race stopped being about political survival months ago. Instead, she has used the Aug. 16 contest as a sort of high-profile stage for her martyrdom — and a proving ground for her new crusade. . . .
In a state where Mr. Trump won 70 percent of the vote two years ago, Ms. Cheney might as well be asking ranchers to go vegan.
. . . . Ms. Cheney’s relentless focus on Mr. Trump has driven speculation — even among longtime family friends — that she is preparing to run for president. She has done little to dissuade such talk.
At a house party Thursday night in Cheyenne, with the former vice president happily looking on under a pair of mounted leather chaps, the host introduced Ms. Cheney by recalling how another Republican woman, Senator Margaret Chase Smith of Maine, confronted Senator Joseph McCarthy when doing so was unpopular — and went on to become the first female candidate for president from a major party.
The trouble here, however, is that there will be no major party of the sort that Liz envisions resurrecting from the trash heap of history. Republican voters rejected that outright over a decade ago and have been quite clear about the direction they want to see the party—and America—go. Running as a long-shot Trump-hating shrew who has alienated the vast majority of the Republican base is . . . well, just bizarre. And completely delusional.
She’s not interested in the Republicans the people have elected and sent to Congress. Instead, she wants to cozy up to Democrats, though she claims she won’t switch parties because she’s intent on “saving” the GOP . . . from its own base. It’s nonsensical.
The New York Times continues:
In a sign that Ms. Cheney’s political awakening goes beyond her contempt for Mr. Trump, she said she prefers the ranks of Democratic women with national security backgrounds to her party’s right flank.
“I would much rather serve with Mikie Sherrill and Chrissy Houlahan and Elissa Slotkin than Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert, even though on substance certainly I have big disagreements with the Democratic women I just mentioned,” Ms. Cheney said in the interview. “But they love this country, they do their homework and they are people that are trying to do the right thing for the country.”
Ms. Cheney is surer of her diagnosis for what ails the G.O.P. than she is of her prescription for reform.
She has no post-Congress political organization in waiting and has benefited from Democratic donors, whose affections may be fleeting. To the frustration of some allies, she has not expanded her inner circle beyond family and a handful of close advisers.
It’s all a mess. She’s a mess. But at least she has confirmed what we’ve all long-suspected: her “crusade” is not against President Trump, or even against Governor DeSantis; it’s against the American voters who elected Trump in a resounding rejection of her father’s neocon progressivism.
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There are two questions involving Trump
1. There are people attacking him as a proxy for attacking us, people like Liz Cheney.
2. There are major questions about his electability, wisdom of nominating him again, wisdom of eternally relitigating 2020, what would he do differently in a second term (i.e. has he learned anything from say his arrogantly telling Tucker Carlson letting the public square remain in the hands of partisan Democrats with no regulation is fine? Tucker Carlson has been proven right a million times over), and questions of would he do anything differently to try and actually win a majority of voters this time? Our geographic advantage could turn 46% to 47% into a win for us, it can’t turn 46% to 51% into a winner.
We do have to defend Trump on whenever it is the 1st category, but when it is the second category…….The election in Wisconsin was within 20k, every single mistake Trump made in the campaign and his presidency cost him Wisconsin. Wisconsin is a must win for us so lets hear what he has learned if he wants another chance.
One of your fairer comments, Danny, IMO
Now duck…
Thank you although hopefully a helmet will do 🙂
Preface: I have never understood the hand-wringing with Trump. He’s a NYC bullshit artist who cannot take down the establishment by himself, but tries better than most. Meanwhile, the establishment will do everything to take him down. If the choice is Trump vs. any given (D), I’ll vote Trump every day of the week. You know what you’re getting. Stop pretending he will change so you can feel better among your friends and family and anyone else who cannot fathom this man. He ain’t gonna change.
Your points:
1.) Who is next in line after Trump, or if Trump doesn’t run. Most likely DeSantis, correct? You think he won’t be used as a proxy to vilify you? People like Liz Cheney don’t need Trump to express their contempt for the American riffraff. They’ll gladly hate you via any means necessary.
2.) See Preface above.
You also make fair points.
I don’t really care if Trump changes or not, and I don’t expect him to. I do care if he’s electable, and I recognize that some of his personality traits reduce his electability because it’s about a majority and the ever-fickle independent vote, not just the die hard supporters.
He won a close race in 2016 against a very unlikable opponent who probably has more sympathy now than before (only because Woke has become worse since 2016 and she’s a woman*). It was glorious if for nothing else but the shock, SCOTUS, and a great tax break…he no longer has that “can’t win” underdog factor going for him, though, nor the mystique of an outsider. He has a track record now that makes it easier to convince the indies to break towards the left (because enough will believe the doom and gloom lines).
*I think she’s a woman…ask a biologist.
It would be interesting for me to know what it was like to white-hot-hate Trump or worship the guy. I show up to vote. After that it is out of my hands. I cannot waste too much emotion on any politician. I assume they will all screw me over at some point, just a matter of how much and when. Never disappointed!
I take issue with one of your points: the independent vote is not fickle. It votes the candidate; they are not party loyalists.
Party loyalists give us Ryan, Romney, both Bush’s, and Stevensons.
True. Yet Romney and Ryan were the lesser evil v Obama/Biden and lost. GW Bush was the lesser evil v Gore and Kerry. GHW Bush same v Dukakis.
IMO, the modern populist center /right was born in 1992 with Perot. Lots of us have been in this space and making the same arguments since. Less intrusive govt, end to crony capitalism, treat domestic manufacturing, energy, agriculture as core elements of national security, simplified tax code, no foreign military adventures, lower the debt, balance the budget when at peace.
These were MAGA concepts before MAGA was cool…so the die hard only Trump and never Trump arguments are viewed by many of us as external excuses and motivations by those of us who were very lonely in holding and working for the core concepts for three decades. We’re glad to have more folks helping out to push the ball forward but please don’t start telling us who we must or must not vote for. Instead work to sell us your candidate, warts and all and how your guy can overcome disadvantages in 2024 to win.
I disagree. When I talk to voters who claim to be independent I’m always left in jaw-dropping amazement. They vote for the PR, not the candidate. This is how we got Biden.
Biden was sold as the straight-shooting, straight-talking alternative to serial liar Trump. I have no idea how anybody could buy that. Trump always seemed to be a carnival barker and a shameless self-promoter. Which is exactly what I’d expect from a real estate developer from NYC. But he’s got to be the cleanest NYC real estate developer in history. How many investigations of him are we up to now? How many times have we been told that “the walls are closing in” on DJT? Maybe someday he’ll have to pay a fine to the IRS or something. I wouldn’t be surprised; who among us can say with certainty we’ve complied with every letter of the federal tax code.
DJT’s lies, if they are lies, are inconsequential. Fine, maybe the crowd at his inauguration wasn’t as big as the crowd at Obama’s. Who cares? He wasn’t dirty. He wasn’t corrupt. If he was we’d know about it by now.
Biden on the other hand stinks of corruption so badly I can smell it from Texas. His claim that he never talks to family about their business affairs was an obvious lie from the moment when he first became a Senator. His focus as a brand new Senator was “consumer protection.” right out of the gate his brother Jim started getting sweetheart loans from the Bank of Delaware. Which made no bones about the fact that they only gave him those loans because of Biden’s influence peddling.
As soon as Hunter was out of law school his first job was with a credit card company. On Good Morning America Hunter Biden acknowledged that every job he ever had was due to being Joe Biden’s son. Hunter had nothing to offer personally. Without that last name Hunter would have spent his entire adult life living out of a dumpster until he OD’d.
Thanks to Joe Biden’s drug addled son we know that Hunter Biden visited his V.P. father after every foreign business trip either at the WH or at the VP’s residence at the Naval Observatory.
I’m sure they were just talking about Joe’s grandkids. Right.
At 43 Hunter was directly commissioned as a reserve PAO in the Navy. I spent a few months as a recruiter during the Reagan era. The Navy had turned the manpower spigot on full blast. Which meant there was a huge backlog in the training pipeline and between schools recruiting was the only thing the Navy could figure out to do with me.
Biden got two waivers to become a reserve PAO. So, that means Hunter was such a hotshot lawyer, the Navy didn’t want him as a lawyer. Also, he had no experience in Public Affairs. Yet he got, what, one of only 4 slots open for that job annually? And the Navy gave him an age waiver and a drug waiver? Even back during the Reagan era that was unheard of. Full disclosure; unlike Kamala Harris I had smoked a little pot in college. Had my pot smoking been more than experimental I wouldn’t have gotten in. I had to basically sign and affidavit that I hadn’t smoked pot more than three times. Which in my case was true.
Nobody gets in with Hunter Biden’s drug history. His first stint in rehab was in 2003, for crying out loud. He was a full blown addict who never put down the crack pipe.
I have never heard of anyone getting a direct commission after using hard drugs after college and after landing in rehab. True to form, he popped positive for on his very first urinalysis on his very first drill weekend. Which is why the Navy never bothers with addicts.
Nobody gets selected for public affairs unless they have a degree in a relevant communications field. Journalism, film, something like that. Then they may get selected to go to OCS and then sent on to the Public Affairs Qualification Course.
Hunter Biden skipped all that.
This is blatant, glaring nepotism. We’re supposed to believe that Joe Biden wasn’t doing Hunter favors in his civilian business dealings as well?
When I talk to self-proclaimed “independents” I’m amazed that they know nothing about any of this. Believe it or not I’m actually good at not showing where I stand politically. I used to own a restaurant and a bar. I’m good at letting people talk without letting on I think they’re idiots. As long as I get paid I let people think what they want.
Nobody who voted for Joe Biden voted for the candidate. They voted for who Joe Biden’s water carriers in the MFM told them who Joe Biden was without spending five minutes checking to see if Joe Biden was anything close to the press releases.
I am a biologist, and you don’t have enough money to get me to check…
“What difference, at this point, does it make?”
The question isn’t will the hardcore Democrats and their institutions like DeSantis, it also isn’t about how I would vote in a general election (It would be for Trump) it is about who would actually win a general election.
There are also questions like will he actually fight against censorship in the public square or is the Bush era orthodoxy of “MUHHHH PRIVATE CORPORATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” good enough for him?
The Trump victories during his first term are undeniable and I am grateful for them (especially for Roe v Wade being overturned).
However so are the Trump mistakes which I think should be addressed. Nominating him is a big risk, a risk of another 4 years of Biden pushing the nation left, and the risk that once in office he could make the same mistakes again if he hasn’t learned anything. I would like both addressed.
I wish we had a margin of error but we really don’t.
IMO Trump has learned exactly nothing since the election. He cost us every one of Biden’s policies by not being there for America in GA to prevent losing both Senate seats. Teasing now that he may run in 2024 is just the way to get Dem turnout up enough in November to not regain control of the Senate. TDS is an incurable disease.
That teasing is also childish and petty. More and more, he is becoming nothing more than an entertainer.
How exactly did Trump cot us Ga?
Explain that in detail please
@taurus
I don’t know, telling your voters that the system is rigged and basically that your vote doesn’t count might have something to do with lower republican voter turnout during the runoff.
Even Trump admits this. How exactly did Trump not cost us Ga? Explain in detail please.
@ Gunstar
I certainly will tell you in detail.
First, Trump has no control over the individual voter so unless he physically restrained them, he didn’t “stop” anyone from voting.
Second, Trump has every RIGHT to speak his mind ( and he has yet to be proven wrong on those claims in spit of the media resistance) plus we have no guarantee the election in Ga did “not” have a degree of tampering ( full scope yet to be determined) In either case, “demoralization” overt the situation also doe NOT rest with Trump.
So, people can stop whining and blaming Trump for THEIR OWN DECISIONS.
There Gunstar, Game-set-match
Happy to oblige
Understood. Look, the guy has his plusses and minuses. I can’t tell Wisconsin how to vote, I can’t even talk to my friends or family about him without watching the froth bubbling out of their mouths. I don’t get the Trump-can-do-no-wrong crowd, either. Never in my life have I seen such all-around lunacy.
Censorship in the public square is something a president cannot fight against alone. Congress doesn’t care, and we have a planet full of people who gladly give their time and money in exchange for less freedom.
The left didn’t sink its claws into every institution overnight. It took generations, and they are fighting fiercer than ever. A whole lot more than Trump or DeSantis needs to happen.
It isn’t a “Trump can do no wrong” crowd”. You just aren’t listening hard enough. Pay attention to his accomplishments. They are stupendous. He IS the only guy who CAN win right now. s Mark “Slash” Levin keeps saying, “Trump is the most effective conservative president ever as well as the most impactful president in our lifetimes.”
Note that DeSantis stayed away from CPAC. Not because he isn’t a conservative but almost certainly because he doesn’t want to step on Trump’s moment in history. It sure looks to me like he is not going to bite on the Uniparty’s effort to get him to challenge Trump and divide the two-headed monster that is devouring them.
Too many people just don’t get the part the DeSantis just isn’t ready to step in and survive the bombardment Trump has had to suffer through. He has to allow Trump to finish the job. The bombardment will stop clearing the landscape for DeSantis to cement those gains on Trump’s foundational victories. Why is that so difficult for you “conservatives” to understand? Who exactly are you listening to anyway? You are using Uniparty arguments.
You keep hammering away on “Trump’s mistakes”. Think about that. No one could have arrived as an outsider equipped to take on the entire corrupt system. Yet Trump forced the entire Uniparty to reveal itself as masks dropped and many layers of the onion peeled away. Now everyone can see for themselves how entrenched and deeply rooted the Uniparty is. Trump went in proved it without a doubt. So there, now you know. Do you see it? It’s right there in front of your face! Get with the program. It’s getting late in the game.
Here is Farage yesterday echoing Trump’s CPAC speech:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/farage-warns-if-america-falls-marxists-western-civilization-will-follow
Farage gets it. What can’t WE get it? What ever happened to the “perfection is the enemy of the good” argument we Tea Party “purists” were constantly bashed with for refusing to “hold our noses” and vote for the “lesser of two evils”?
Correction:
“The bombardment will stop THUS clearing the landscape for DeSantis…”
Pasadena Phil – I think I’m giving the impression I don’t know what amount of good Trump has done. That’s not correct.
I am just of the opinion that it is possible for DeSantis to win because he won’t make the same mistakes but he will hit all of the same right notes.
I also think that for us to have any chance of sinking our own claws into any institution we at least need robust protection in the public square which does require a Republican congress and president. You are right we need more than just access but we can’t hope to succeed at anything under a censorship regime.
I want you to explain EXACTLY what this alleged “risk” is and who has it by nominating Trump.
I want you to tell me in specific and exact detail about this “risk”- not a nebulous “talking point” comment.
Granted Trump made some serious and painful mistakes but never forget the MAJOR problem he faces was GOPe/RINO SABOTAGE.
Who let the gang of 8?
Who voted to keep Ocare?
Who stopped the wall?
and the list goes on
Well off the top of my head 4 more years of Democrat rule is a major risk of nominating Trump.
“NYC bullshit artist”? What is the “bullshit”?
He turned delapedated land into great buildings over, and over, and over, and over again, throughtout the world.
Then he created a television show that had a historic run.
Then he elbowed out the most powerful people in America to win the presidency .
Then, when president, he positioned the USA wildly ahead of even it’s best days.
A self-promoter, but there ain’t any ‘bullshit’.
You guys are missing the point.
Trump mostly delivered on his promises despite unprecedented levels of vitriol from the media and outright insurrection from the agencies that the president is supposed to command.
They are already starting the desantis is worse than trump…. Don’t kid yourselves, the onslaught will make is own family think he is the devil.
And the govt is coming for you. 87,000 new irs agents… the war on the right continues. The entire federal govt had been weaponized against its people.
Our founders are rolling over….
On all that, I agree with you. Most frightening: the weaponizing of the IRS. It could very well be the last straw.
This might be the last straw in England:
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/aug/07/cant-pay-wont-pay-thousands-in-britain-vow-to-ignore-energy-bills
OMG HIS TWEETS! OMG DID YOU HEAR WHAT HE SAID?!
He talks a ton of BS. That’s not negative to me, I find it entertaining. People freak out over what he says, I have never understood it.
I don’t care what he says.
I care what he does.
And it really makes the left spin out, making them reveal themselves for the Fifth Columnists they truly are.
That always made me happy, the press and dems (redundant) chasing their tails while Trump got on with the business of MAGA.
It is a great case study in how relationships often work, the dems had no problem building a cozy relationship with Trump when he was donating money, allowing them to use his venues for fundraising. It was a relationship that benefited both, Trump got his approvals for projects and the political class got their graft.
Trump did his 180 and became persona non grata almost over night. He knew the underbelly of the political class and how the sausage is made and he wasn’t afraid to expose them for whom they really are.
Trump has always had personality flaws often driven by an enlarged ego but he came to realization that a change of course was needed, he was fought by both the dems and many within the repub party. He connected with many at a grass roots level by getting out on the road, engaging with thousands of people at a time, often times multiple times a day. The media were in waiting, covering nearly every appearance, every speech waiting for the moment he implodes but he didn’t, the media didn’t turn 95% on him until he won the election..
Thou hast questioned the man many consider first in line for the next vacancy in the Holy Trinity.
How dare you!!!
No Danny, you are deliberately wrong as usual ( yet you make conservative noises from time to time)
So, let me fully and totally deconstruct your bullsh!t once again and expose you for the never trumper troll you are.
The only question about Trump’s “electability” is coming from a biased leftist media and the never Trumper group. Trump LEGITIMATELY for more votes than any other President so that speaks toward what his “electability” really is and he leads in almost everything.
This crap about Trump “lost” is just that UNLESS it can be PROVEN that Brandon got 81 MILLION legitimate ballots cured into LEGITIMATE votes. That has NOT been proven and actually it has been OBSTRUCTED AT EVERY TURN. (Then explain all the voting shut downs and all that)
If it cannot be PROVEN Brandon won LEGITIMATELY then all of your crap about Trump “getting a majority of voters” this time is a non sequitur because Trump WON the last time and it was STOLEN.
Trump has revealed to those who listen what he plans to do so no mystery there either.
So, SHUT UP whining about Trump and SHOW ME 81 MILLION Biden votes that have been PROPERLY VETTED.
Lets have it. Stop talking in circles and start producing facts to back up your claims.
Wisconsin was stolen, I’m
From
Sisco, I know Wisconsin amd Milwaukee amd Madison rule Wisconsin
Need 20,002 two
Votes, it’s 2 am , here comes the dump
Your anti Trump
Is really showing
Of course, your criticism of Trump’s behavior during the election costing him the win presupposes a fair and legal electoral process in 2020.
“every single mistake Trump made in the campaign and his presidency cost him Wisconsin. ”
Except that the WI courts have just decided that there were multiple and numerous illegal votes cast in that state, well over that 20K margin.
What does that do to your argument?
Criticize Trump all you want, he’s made plenty of mistakes but “losing” 2020 was not one of them
I respect you take, and you make a number of salient points. I take issue with a few though. First, I have clients in WI. While there were/are some “never Trumpers”, his boorish nature isn’t why he lost. In the 2020 election, it wouldn’t have mattered who ran for the GOP, the fix was in. That is well documented, despite claims to the contrary from the MSM.
The good Governor from Florida would have met the same fate. You see, the issue was never with Trump himself. Do we have such a short memory to not recall the treatment EVERY SINGLE GOP NOMINEE has received in recent memory? Cheney herself, if nominated would be tarred and feathered by the left come election time. The left hates a representative form of government. Non socialists need not apply. The left is ruthless regardless of how well behaved a candidate on the right may be.
Listen, I can’t stand Trump, as a person. I didn’t vote for him the first time around (voted for the Constitutionalism) because I didn’t believe him, but the proof is in the puddin as they say. He governed, for the better part, as I would have liked. He governed the way most folks liked in regards to policy, with notable exceptions.
Personally, I would prefer DeSantis, but the fact is, there is a huge contingent backing Trump, that leads to enormous energy, something need to win any election. Many of us on the right have longed to have candidates like DeSantis, Kari Lake (AZ), and the other young firebrands climbing their way up.
The fact is, Trump has made a difference in those races (the numbers don’t lie). We will never persuade the third of lefties. But the indies, and moderate Dems are ready to jump ship given the current radical governance, regardless of whether Trump runs or not.
Trump received the most legal votes in history, despite his baggage. Due to the way that elections was stolen, the energy will be even higher this time around, regardless of folks like me who don’t like the man, but would vote for him anyway. Pragmatically, if we mount an effort to fight against him, we may lose our chance to get our great nation back on track. No one currently has the fire power to match at this point. The stakes are just too high this election to screw around with personalities. Just my take for what it’s worth
Liz Cheney is everything wrong with the GOP that has failed us, lost our country, and got rich in the process.. All that’s missing is Romney.
No arguments here….hope she is hurled into obscurity
— And kicked in the ass on the way out.
Be careful what you wish for …… If she heads a third party candidacy in 2024, on her way out the door, the Reps will have a hard time winning. IMO the Republican Party is akin to the Democratic Party of 1960 and this is not an easy situation to deal with.
What a joke.
SURE, just like McMullin or Walsh were going to cost Trump SO MANY votes by giving him SUCH A SERIOUS CHALLENGE.
Idiots like Cheney have effectively zero support outside the donor class and the Democrats fluffing her because they think it will hurt Republicans.
The only thing she’d affect if she ran 3rd party would be the wallets of the RINO GOPe donors like the ones that pissed away $150 million on Jeb! (please clap). If she runs as 3rd party she will get an utterly laughable amount of votes, certainly not enough to affect the outcome.
I would WELCOME a 3rd party run by her, because it would expose anybody stupid enough to fund and support her just like that idiot McMullin.
The only candidate that would actually affect the vote would be Trump himself (if he failed to win the primary and ran 3rd party), or DeSantis (who’s way too smart to do something that stupid).
Think she will bleed votes from the Democrat party.
Perhaps she should be encouraged.
Only in the primary, the Dems will vote the for the Ds in the general election.
Neither she nor the GOPe/RINO have that much stroke or influence
the way the system is rigged right now it is nearly impossible for any third party to emerge from scratch. Her only hope would be to attach herself to some already establish minority group, but her ego is too inflated to go that route.
On the Cheney topic: Lots of people like the woman. From accounts, she is witty and likable. Her problem is that the people who like her are DC people who are big government adherents. They are go along to get along people.
And she does not represent Wyoming people. I believe that people from Wyoming largely know that.
We shall see.
Good job, Ms. Slippers!
Funny, I think that Trump already has another chance in the bag. I want to see him destroy the swamp and then maybe DeSantis is then step into the presidency. I contend that often our worth is shown in who dislikes us.
I want to see them run together: it’d give us 12 years of a GOP president.
Only challenge to that (as Wayne Allen Root has pointed out): being they are both Florida residents, it won’t work. Trump would have to move to his club in NJ:
https://www.creators.com/read/wayne-allyn-root/08/22/yes-trump-desantis-would-be-a-great-gop-ticket-in-2024-but-its-not-possible-unless-this-happens
And she was wrong. If she’s now being held up as Cheney’s role model, that explains a lot
Cheny’s a piece of garbage. She’s part of a smelly, treasonous swamp desperate to maintain their power.
Trump is going to be around and is going to be a politically significant influencer long after Liz Cheney is knitting for her kittehs in obscurity.
Milhouse is right. Judge McCarthy was popular… But not in Washington DC which was riddled with communists.
Not just card carriers but agents.
Difficult? More like impossible since she will no longer be a factor.. No one wants her support and Wyoming will be blessed to have her gone.
I disagree with this. I think it is all about Trump. Trump has some very large flaws, and it’s reasonable to be repelled by them. Most conservatives opposed Trump when he first started running. But a small number of them became so obsessed with despising and hating Trump that they became blind to everything else. They’d rather have Clinton than Trump; they’d rather have Biden than Trump; they’d rather have 0bama than Trump. And as Trump racked up one conservative achievement after another, they couldn’t see it at all, because to them the most important thing was that it was Trump, so if he did it they had to oppose it.
And their obsession began to include anyone who supports him, or at least refuses to oppose him; hence her opposition to Desantis. It has nothing to do with policy, and everything to do with the fact that Desantis refuses to condemn Trump.
I bet if you ask her about Mike Pence she’d be just as bitterly against him, because throughout the last year and a half, even when Trump has attacked him, he has refused to attack back, and to her that must make him anæthema. She’d support him only if he were running against Trump and attacking him. And I suspect if Desantis did that she’d suddenly have nice things to say about him too.
It’s a derangement syndrome, and that’s all it is.
Is that all? I am surprised how many of those that became those rabid never Trumpers are long-time wealthy political grifters that saw their gravy train was better under the opposing party than Trump.
I think there’s more to it than just “dislike”
Jennifer Rubin? The Lincoln Project people? I’m not aware that they are “long-time wealthy political grifters”. They’re just so blind with hatred for Trump that it eclipses everything else and they have become Democrats in all but name. They’d burn the country rather than see it fall into Trump’s hands again.
You lost me at Lincoln Project, that is a group of professional grifters, the poster boys for the grifting class.
Explain to me exactly what these “flaws” are?
I keep hearing about them in vague and undefinable terms but never anything specific to be used to compare all these other “allegedly unflawed” candidates.
I loved he tweets and the fact that they drove TDS suffers crazy, causing their to wast millions of hours chasing their tails. That was non productive time which might have been otherwise used to do more tangible bad stuff.
One thing I don’t care for is Trump’s speaches, delivery is too slow. So I prefer to read transcripts.
I very much want to see Trump laying waste to swamp ctitter habitat.
I think he is a nice man.
I would like to have dinner with him.
I have (long before he was even in the political game when he dropped out and endorsed Mittens)
That’s why I was one of the first riders on the Trump train. At that engagement, he didn’t give a speech- he just talked about his thoughts and observations and what it meant to him to be an American.
At that time, I don’t believe he had any idea ( this was before Obama’s 2nd term) of what was to come but he has not strayed from the points he raised then. He proved himself to me a long time ago.
He is whatever he is, warts and all but he is an AMERICAN and he is a FIGHTER.
To hell with Romney and the rest- this is no longer a gentleman’s game. This is a fight to the death and I’m not interested in saying “please”.
As far as Trump being derisive ( whatever that means), mean, ranting and all that…
I’ll raise you a Sharpton, BLM, Antifa, Media commentator and call your hand.
Wow. I’m impressed that would say that. Keep it coming.
McCarthy also had some major flaws. But when push came to shove, he was right.
He was his own worst messenger.
So’s Trump.
No
He’s not peole
Love his speeches amd that’s why 50,000 show us to them
71 MILLION people “got” that message so it must not have been too bad.
now where ( and who) were these additional 81 million Biden voters that just “appeared’ for a 1 night stand again?
Everybody wants me to believe and accept Trump “lost” without actually validating that Biden actually won.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Looking back through the propaganda I was taught about him, it really looks like he was a patriot who tried to save the country from the very thing that has consumed my generation.
I don’t get why McCarthy is viewed as a bad guy.
He was villified by a press and Hollywood crowd that were afraid of being exposed for the Marxists that they are.
They never left….they just won the war of words.
The only time Marxists care about freedom and privacy is when they are about to be exposed for the treasonous scum that they are.
Because history is written by the victors. And the commies won.
Ihad a friend, now deceased, Gordon Gould, who was really worked over by McCarthy. Still, in the end I found that McCarthy was right about infiltration of America. I with we had someone like McCarthy today..
We have heard that about major flaws. But what I heard at the dinner table close to that time doesn’t support major flaws, so help me out here with some examples.
We know that the congress was afraid of him.
Don’t know that his flaws were major. He had uncovered the fact that people who wanted to overthrow the government by force were in fact working in that same government. He was hurting the ‘careers’ of people who were personally known and liked.
Gee, if only I gave a rat’s ass about what Liz (or Dick) Cheney thinks.
Better “Dangerous DeSantis” than “the Cheney Chumps.”
OK, Liz. Why don’t you endorse DeSantis without actually saying “I endorse DeSantis”?
A conspiracy theorist might postulate that this is intended. Like a bad golfer who lines up 30° to 40° off the pin in order to compensate for a hook/slice, her statement is going to make a whole bunch of voters who plan on supporting Trump give serious consideration to switching to DeSantis. After all, if she hates him, that’s almost as good as Zombie Reagan rising from the grave to anoint DeSantis as his successor.
She will oppose any conservative. Plain and simple.
Show me a man without flaws, please. Do that, and then I can accept the argument that having flaws disqualifies a man from high public office. I’m far more concerned abut his virtues, and how well he handles his responsibilities. President Lincoln heard the same kinds of arguments against Ulysses S. Grant because Grant drank. Lincoln pointed out “He fights.” That’s what Lincoln needed, then, and he’d take the drinking with it.
DJT showed himself to be a strong and able President, whose policies embraced the best of our ideals and highest concern for our general welfare. Moreover, his character suited, and continues to suit, the times. We continue to need someone with his energy, insight, courage, and yes, his ability to fight.
He has often brought the poem “IF” by Kipling to my mind as the whirling mess that is DC has spattered him and those around him. I like it that the part “and yet not look too good, nor talk to wise” also applies to him.
Finally, I think it is high time the American electorate taught our politicians a lesson: we are the one who elect candidates, not them. We are, collectively, smarter than they are. We either get our system of counting votes straightened out and put Trump back in office, or we see our country ruined like Venezuela by a talentless, unethical would-be oligarchy.
I like Ron DeSantis. I think he is a terrific governor, and I would be happy to see him as POTUS. But if we back down and make him our candidate now, the Republican Party, along with the Democrats, will gleefully rip him to shreds. I’d rather have Trump for this fight.
Exactly what I’ve been saying ever since people started looking for DeSantis to run against Trump. DeSantis cannot fight off the Uniparty by himself. He needs Trump whose endorsement is the reason why he is governor in the first place. Also, DeSantis doesn’t have relationships nor standing (yet) with foreign allies and enemies. DeSantis needs Trumps endorsement AND his money to get past the dirty money he would need to challenge Trump.
I love that DeSantis is getting stronger and stronger. Trump is getting stronger too. They are unbeatable when they are fighting the same fight together. Were DeSantis to challenge Trump and piss him off, it would definitely split the vote and making the 2024 election closer and stealable.
What is it with the DeSantis cultists (turnabout is fair play)? They are risking taking both Trump and DeSantis down.
There is another reason to vote for Trump, even over DeSantis (whom I will support if he is the GOP nominee) or another sound candidate:
We have to prove to ourselves that we can consistently elect leaders who possess the resolve and reliability to institute policies that respect and protect individual liberty … even if that means he/she doesn’t check all the boxes of sainthood, and/or has to be uncivil and obnoxious to do so in the face of the professional/political complex … instead of electing some Nice Person™ we won’t have to explain to our neighbors, but will not advance our rights over top of the complex.
Electing Trump is a test of our priorities – and our ability to actually be nice to our neighbors, instead of acting civil when their rights are trampled right along with ours.
Dubya had his moments. There were a lot of times when he was like, meh. And I was like, Democrats, do your worst. Cbeney had a lot to do with that.. Did I post? Did I comment? No.
I feel pretty much the same way now. Dick Cheney comes out of retirement to grunt about Trump.
OH, yeah. That’s going to shift the needle for me..
It’s always the same with the likes of the Danny’s and co…always the same questions around;
-But what about how much if a narcissist he is!
-But what about all his lies!
-But what about how he alienates our international allies.
-But what about…. 🙄
What’s interesting is that these questions are NEVER asked of Democrat Presidents or nominees.
Look, I don’t give a flying fuck about whether you think OMB has thin skin or is a narcissist or lies through his teeth. All that matters to me is results and for the love of God…he managed to get some amazing results for America in spite of the 25/7/365 insurrection mounted by Democrats and their propoganda arm in the media!
Energy independence, a roaring economy (that Barry “Peace be upon him”) tried to claim, historic employment levels for all sections of society and rediscovered respect on the world stage from our enemies.
The longer we also go on the more we hear from the Chinese Flu main actors around how their actions were deliberately done to undermine Trump and anyone who didn’t support their radical shuttering of America, its economy and the world!
Actually it’s going to be very easy comparig Bidens Presidency to Trumps because they are at extreme polar opposites to each other.
For adults supposedly being in charge they have manage to pretty much get everything wrong while being particularly efficient at killing Americans and fucking underage children.
So yeah, those really are your two choices in 2024.
You can have President Trump, along with his mean tweets and his nyc bullshit and him having consensual sex with pornstars (honestly still trying to work out if they thing Democrats were most upset by was the consensual part??) and a hankering to get America on top again (while exploiting its natural reserves) or you can have President Harris and Democrats who want to fuck children…and I cannot emphasis enough just how badly these Democrats want to fuck YOUR children.
Very revealing that the only two Republican women (if I can say that), Cheney and Haley, are declaring that “It’s time for a woman in the Oval Office”. When the right woman appears, believe me, she will win. So far, those women get beaten down by the women themselves. We don’t need either of them any more than we needed Hillary.
Phil,
Its hard for me to call Cheney a Republican even by the most weak application of the term.
Haley (per our previous discussion) has a lot of proving to do and has lost a lot of support due to her own actions but could come back.
Haley is the ultimate polymorph. She will say anything depending on who she is addressing and what she is trying to accomplish at that moment. Forget about her. There are plenty of other excellent women candidates appearing and they are getting it right from square one.
That depends on how one defines “excellent women candidates”.
As we have discussed, Haley is in the penalty box with me right now and I’m not a starry eyed fan boy. I’ll drop her like a hot rock if she doesn’t get with the program.
That said, I don’t see much ( in terms of capability and actual performance) in any of the rest.
I hold MTG and Lauren in high regard but they are localized talent and really have yet to really “win” anything big.
We really need to develop that bench I agree but we don’t have much right now.
MTG has been a one-woman army in the House. She hasn’t “won” anything because she’s been stripped of her committee assignments and generally “shunned” by everyone. She’s the female Gaetz. I love what she is doing and she should become a powerhouse once the Uniparty is smashed.
I am firmly behind MTG and she is fighting her own swamp war ( from within and without)
All that true and aside, she has still got to have some achievements above just ‘surviving” ( which does count for a lot)
It’s easy for me to call any Cheney a Republican. Liz is doing exactly what I expect an establishment Republican do to; burn it all down on her way out in a selfish fit of pique. It’s all about her. She has no principles. Or rather, whatever principles she claims to have are whatever suits her interests at the moment. It’s like the weather here in Texas. You don’t like it? Wait ten minutes; it’ll change.
Liz Cheney won’t appear on Mark Levin’s show because he is no longer a “principled conservative.” A “principled conservative” being whatever Liz Cheney sees in the mirror at any given moment. I fully expect Republicans like Liz Cheney to make the “principled conservative” argument for gun confiscation.
Republicans like the Bush and Cheney family have a lot more in common with the Clinton and Biden family than they have with me. And they admit it! W isn’t shy about saying Hillary! is like a sister- in – law to him. Look it up.
I have to give W some respect as he did at least fly F-102s in the TANG and apparently did volunteer for Vietnam. He didn’t go, but flying fighters is inherently dangerous. So he at least had some skin in the game at some point. He also did at least go into the oil business. He seemed to go directly from Harvard Business school into the boardroom. He never got his hands dirty, apparently, but he’s still ten times the oil man than “Scranton Joe” was a coal miner. No one in Biden’s family ever worked in a coal mine; all of Biden’s family “history” of coal mining was lifted directly from British Labour leader Niel Kinnock’s bio.
But Dick Cheney? He of the five draft deferments went directly from Yale into politics. Which tells you right off he did nothing with his life. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
Liz Cheney wants to pretend she’s going down in flames for putting “country over party.” Like hell. She’s going down in flames because the people of The Cowboy State have figured out she’s about as much a cowboy as I am. I can ride a horse (though closing in on 60 and 70% disabled per the VA the idea of mounting a horse and kicking it into a jog makes every joint in my body ache). Of course she can ride. Her daddy no doubt paid for dressage lessons. She can probably rope as well as I can, which is not at all.
Wyoming has one representative at large in the House. I forget which committee or subcommittee oversees the Bureau of Land Management, but Liz Cheney was never on it which is unheard of. That would have served the interests of her constituency given that nearly half of Wyoming is federally owned. Every other rep. from Wyoming was on it, but then every other rep. from Wyoming was probably actually from Wyoming rather than the D.C. bubble. Liz Cheney serves no one’s interests except her own. She can’t even fake sincerity anymore so she’s getting the boot.
What’s her end game? Does a three-year-old child need an and game when throwing a tantrum after finding out she’s not getting any more candy?
The difference between Haley and Chaney is night and day.. Voting for Haley will be the equivalent to hitting the reset button. Enough of the competing directions. Haley has a way of boiling things down to a simple
direct question, what will the good people do?
I had always liked Haley, a lot, but, she lost my support when she threw President Trump under the bus, a year or so ago. That’s the thanks he received for elevating her to a plumb cabinet post. I found her behavior in doing so to be that of a transparently self-serving ingrate who doesn’t possess the backbone to stand up to the obnoxious totalitarianism of the vile Dumb-o-crats.
Haley has said she will not run if Trump does. So I would expect her to withdraw if Trump declares. On the other hand, I suspect that she has an inside track to Trumps plans. I would not be surprised at a Trump endorsement of her.
If Haley makes amends and gets back on board the MAGA train, she will have my support.
The execrable Cheney coming out against DeSantis proves (not that we needed confirmation on this score) that anti-Trump animus really has little to do with the claimed rationales that are proffered by “Never-Trumpers,” e.g., his boorishness, his persona, etc. This is about their opposition to political outsiders and iconoclasts who don’t march to the beat of the establishment drum, and, who actually propose and support pragmatic and effective conservative domestic and foreign policies.
Cheney decided she could no longer support DeSantis after she saw conclusive proof that it was he who beat officer Sicknick to death with the fire extinguisher.
Not that we had any doubt what her real agenda ever was: Protect the Swamp, Serve the Deep State.
I am just curious to know which Republican would actually WANT Liz Cheney’s endorsement?
If your dictionary had a definition of a Deep State politician, it would include a photo of Dick Cheney. Read his biography. He went from one deep state job to another without accomplishing anything except successful boot licking. When he discussed taking “my motorcade” from the White House to the Pentagon, I almost threw up.
What is this idiots end game? She is going to get creamed in Wyoming. So what is she going to do after that? Switch parties and run for president?
I have wondered that from the beginning.
Maybe in the very beginning I could see her believing there would be some kind of anti-Trump movement that she could ride the wave through the tube.
She also had time and opportunity to get off before this J6 thing crashed. She has actually kicked it up a notch.
Trash talking aside, I do NOT believe her to to be stupid, delusional or all that- she has to be fully aware of the damage she has caused her political career.
I don’t believe for a second she is suicidal (politically, not personally) nor is she fatalistic.
By the process of elimination, this leads me to believe there is an agenda, end goals/deliverables and some form of compensation here we have yet to see.
If Trump is not the nominee, it will tear the party apart
the GOPe know this and are willing to accept a certain amount of destruction in order to gain control of the GOP
in that scenario, we may even get Paul Ryan as the nominee
Gosh, if there was only some way that everyone on the republican side could talk, describe, debate and reflect on what they each want in a Presidential candidate as well as who has the best chance to win a general election and then decide which potential candidate. Maybe we could do all that early in the same year as the election and then once the choice is made we all back that candidate in Nov v the d/prog……/S
Guys we have a process for this, it’s a primary campaign. Who’s afraid of competition? All of us have had to compete and hopefully understand that competition makes us stronger and better prepared for the next challenge. Risk is part of that competition. Get over it.
“Who’s afraid of competition? All of us have had to compete and hopefully understand that competition makes us stronger and better prepared for the next challenge. Risk is part of that competition. Get over it.”
Tell that to the democrats. I have doubts they’ll cede power even if they lose.
I think we all know by now that her real agenda has always been America Last.
“In our nation’s 246-year history, there has never been an individual who has posed a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump.”
Robert E. Lee?