China Issues ‘Stronger’ Warnings Over Pelosi’s Trip to Taiwan
“Several other people familiar with the situation said the private rhetoric went even further by suggesting a possible military response.”
Communist China has issued stronger warnings to the Biden Administration over Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s trip to Taipei, the capital of Taiwan.
The trip itself is giving Biden officials headaches, but the new warnings will likely put more pressure on the White House to make sure Pelosi doesn’t go:
China has publicly threatened “strong measures” if Pelosi proceeds with the planned visit in August. But one person said China had expressed “stronger opposition” to the US in private than before. Several other people familiar with the situation said the private rhetoric went even further by suggesting a possible military response.
Beijing has not been explicit about its potential responses. Its military could try to block Pelosi from landing in Taiwan or take other actions to impede her visit, such as using fighter jets to intercept her US military aircraft.
Several people said the White House was trying to assess whether China was making serious threats or engaging in brinkmanship in an attempt to pressure Pelosi to abandon her trip.
US national security adviser Jake Sullivan and other senior National Security Council officials oppose the trip because of the risk of escalating tension across the Taiwan Strait, according to two people familiar with the debate.
The NSC declined to comment on whether the administration had urged Pelosi to cancel her trip. John Kirby, NSC head of strategic communications, said on Friday the NSC team provided “context, facts and geopolitical relevant information”, and that the Speaker made her own decisions.
The tension erupted last week when The Financial Times reported that Pelosi plans to visit Taiwan on an Asian trip, including Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, and Singapore. Hawaii would be on the trip, too.
Zhao Lijian, spokesperson of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, urged U.S. officials to “strictly adhere to the U.S.’s one-China policy.”
“If Speaker Pelosi visits Taiwan, it would seriously violate the one-China principle and the stipulations in the three China-U.S. joint communiqués and harm China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity,” he said Tuesday, warning that such a visit would have “a severe negative impact” on U.S.-China relations.
China considers Taiwan as its own. He told the U.S. to abide by the “One-China” policy.
The U.S. does abide by the “One-China” policy, which recognizes “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) and de-recognizes the Republic of China (ROC) in 1979.”
However, the “One-China” policy does not include Taiwan:
The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledge to recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
To this day, the U.S. “one China” position stands: the United States recognizes the PRC as the sole legal government of China but only acknowledges the Chinese position that Taiwan is part of China. Thus, the United States maintains formal relations with the PRC and has unofficial relations with Taiwan.
Despite that fact, the White House doesn’t want Pelosi to visit Taiwan:
President Biden himself on Wednesday told reporters that “the military thinks it’s not a good idea right now” that Pelosi travels to Taiwan. Distrust between Washington and Beijing is at a heightened level, as China has acted with increased aggressiveness in recent encounters with the United States and allied military forces in the region.
The timing is also sensitive as the trip would take place only a few months before a major Communist Party Conference, when Beijing is likely to respond more aggressively to perceived provocations. In particular, President Xi Jinping, who is expected to achieve an unprecedented third term as leader, is keen not to suffer any slights in the lead-up to the conference.
Pelosi responded to Biden by saying that she is not advocating for Taiwanese independence, which is a red line for China. “I think that it’s important for us to show support for Taiwan,” she said at her weekly news conference Thursday, adding, “None of us has ever said we’re for independence when it comes to Taiwan. That’s up to Taiwan to decide.”
America has a history of supporting Taiwan without formal diplomatic relations. The government “has long supported Taiwan’s self-defense capability with arms sales and a close military relationship, as laid out in the 1979 Taiwan Relations Act.”
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So…. what is the purpose of Pelosi’s trip? It is never mentioned.
If you read the article, you would know that it says that the purpose of her trip is “to visit Taiwan to show support as it comes under rising pressure from China in the context of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which has elevated fears about Chinese military action.”
Yes, I read that. But that is NOT an answer. If she doesn’t support Biden’s confusing foreign policy statements, she should just say so AT HOME. How does escalating tensions and risking military reprisal accomplish anything constructive? Does she believe Biden and Harris are about to be removed leaving her in charge and hinting that to alarm China ? It is very dangerous and counterproductive to have anyone outside of the executive branch conducting their own personal foreign policy. She and the rest of her ilk (John Kerry, Jimmy Carter, etc…) should be censured.
If anything should happen to her or should this trigger a reprisal, she should be universally condemned and then arrested. I believe she has been cleared by the Pentagon and maybe the State Department so again, what is the purpose of this trip? Is there chaos within the Executive branch? Who is in charge!
There is a fine line between conducting your own diplomacy and more legitimate congressional (or in the case of private citizens business) interests.
At issue is I do not feel risking a military response is worth Nancy Pelosi doing a photo with members of the Taiwanese government.
Whatever issues you think a risk of a war starting is worthwhile Nancy Pelosi standing next to someone for a photograph isn’t among them.
With 20 years in Naval intelligence under my belt all I can say is if you hallucinate that what is printed in the article is the real, or only, purpose of the trip then I have several used cars to sell you. All gently used and well maintained by elderly church ladies.
And I can get more.
Hardware sales.
Taiwan is an important purchaser of military hardware.
Is it too much to wish for that China captures her and keeps her?
Xi could then give her a refresher course on ‘how to’. Then send her back home.
That would be unacceptable
No returns, no refunds, no exchanges! 🙂
Huh uh Xi. You took her, you keep her. No takesies backsies.
Go, Nancy , Go!
Nancy is bringing Paul because he likes to tie one on.
Nancy is also a drunk and it shows in her advanced aging process. She has been recorded slurring words more than a few times.
No amount of plastic surgery can fix someone who has allowed so much inflammation into their body for all of their adult life.
Ha, ha. The chinese are going to do what?
The chinese run their mouths. They do that as well as the pelosi/biden/marxist regime.
Jingoism jingoism jingoism, and more jingoism.
Less jingoism more brain from you I would love to see comments that imply you actually have one instead of jingoistic statements about China being weak (here is a hint it isn’t).
I am so glad the 20th century Republican Party which avoided conflict with the Soviet Union had wise people who avoided stupid risks instead of people like you.
You are just the same marxist dumbass you have always been. People like me were the ones that fought the cold war and kept the soviets at bay, You, of course, have no idea what that entails.
Start with the truth, which is what I have always used, Just like the soviet union was not going to start a war with the USA over words, a war they knew they could not win on any scale, so are the chinese in the same boat now. The chinese military is a joke. It’s a police force, nothing much more. They can’t take Taiwan because they can’t even transport men and material to the island.
I know you are too stupid to understand military things, that requires study not fear mongering.
You’re like piglosi and the china boogeyman, running your mouth. The difference? The chinese and piglosi know why they do it but you’re not even bright enough to know the reason.
The fact that you are calling a very conservative Republican a marxist shows you have no relationship to planet earth and have no idea what a marxist is.
Second if you had any brain at all you would be well aware that mutually assured destruction came with American fear of Russia correctly matching Russian fear of America. You would also know that the presidents of the 20th century did not openly provoke Russia, they without any exception kept up major and cordial relations with their Russian counterparts behind closed doors. You would know so much about the American relationship with Russia if you only had a brain.
3. Just a police force? That isn’t the opinion of the United States or any other military. It certainly isn’t the opinion of Japan.
4. If Pelosi has any wisdom she will not be provoking an empowered China.
5. I am so glad men like you never had any influence in the 20th century Republican Party because it meant that humanity survived.
6. Provoking powerful enemies is not a good idea, and you
You are exactly the kind of person who shouldn’t be in charge of anything at all. When another nation threatens war a good rule of thumb is “are the rewards even remotely worth the risk” and in this case they clearly aren’t.
“very conservative Republican a marxist”
It’s what you are, and republicans are a bigger problem than democrats. People like you help the marxists to gain and maintain power. It’s what you are, it’s what you do.
You don’t have the brains god gave a gnat. The cold war was won. It was won by the side that stayed the course and didn’t back down every time the latest chairman ran their mouth.
You’re a shill for the chinese CCP. You want us to dance to their tune. You are a marxist, through and through.
Oh by the way: “here is a hint it isn’t”
Go ahead and list their assets other than large number of policemen. Also, explain how they will move those forces beyond the mainland of china. Please list their operational aircraft carriers and the number of ballistic missile submarines they have. When you get around to it, add up the hunter attack subs they have and how they stack up against those form the USA.
Yes, please, tell us about the mighty chinese military and why with all their vows of taking Taiwan they can’t even do that.
You are asking me to list information that most senior American officers don’t know the answer to and that the pentagon is guessing about…..
How about this we don’t behave in a jingoistic manner like this is a video game and provoke China except on issues of vital national security to this country, of which Nancy Pelosi making a photo-op is most definitely not one of them.
By the way https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Liberation_Army_Navy#Equipment
I don’t feel the need to memorize what we think we know about the Chinese Navy to know that it is powerful enough to make China definitely not a nation we want to go to war with.
War is a last resort that should be reserved exclusively for our nations vital interests.
OK, in other words you can’t do it. And you resort to wikipedia. Now that is a laugher.
The pentagon ain’t guessing idiot. No one knows every detail, but your hiding behind some BS proposition you created.
We know what the chinese have. And it’s pretty damn thin. And you cannot provide a list because it would prove just how thin it is.
As for your stupid and ignorant “jingoism” charge – either you don’t know what the word means or you just think it cute to use it in a sentence. HINT – knowing that the china military is weak ain’t jingoism, dumbass.
One China, two China, three China….how about no China.
In short, Pelosi is going to go to Taiwan to push China in a corner and start WW3
LOL. No, china is not starting a war they would lose. They are not that stupid.
Spoken like the morons who started WW1, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc.
By the way the decks of three aircraft carriers destroyed at Midway got destroyed because the decks had Mitsubishi Zero aircraft on them preparing to take off.
Yep that is correct we won the Battle of Midway by a matter of MINUTES.
Let that sink in a matter of seconds separated the greatest victory of American Naval History from a catastrophic defeat (not to mention the damage suffered by the Japanese wouldn’t have been fatal if the aircraft/fuel had not been on deck).
I am bringing this up so even you someone thick enough to want to risk a world war on a point of Nancy Pelosi’s pride could have it sink in that war is not a god damned video game, there is nothing to say we would win against China and I don’t want to find out I am not George W Bush I don’t think war is great.
Danny, you freaking dumbass, you don’t have a clue why we won at Midway, zero, nada, none. You are an idiot pretender. I’ve studied Midway for 50+years.
We won at Midway because we had an Admiral (Nimitz) willing to take a risk, and a brilliant codebreaker (Rochefort) that predicted not only what the Japs were up to but the day and the hour. You see, you first had to be there to find aircraft carriers with unfueled planes all over the decks. Then you needed men like Admiral Raymond Spruance that understood risk.
You are an idiot. Go play in the sandbox and grow up.
Are we going to have a Johnson-measuring contest about who is more Midway than thou?
As a Naval Intel officer of 20 years who spent my entire career in the Pacific, only sojourning to the east coast for training, Perhaps I have an educated perspective on the subject. And, as much I would like to claim all the glory for my former profession, your tale leaves something glaringly, obviously unsaid.
We won because we had first rate aviators who would put their lives on the line to put bombs on target.
The Japanese weren’t used to this. Someone who would actually fight back. I doubt we’re the same nation we were in 1942 but Japanese aviators who could return their carriers with their shot up aircraft couldn’t talk.
Look, as an intel officer I can only set the table. The operators have to make use of my intelligence. Boy, did they that day. Maybe some gloating is warranted. You all know that if things went wrong I’d be blamed for some operator’s poor execution.
But it wasn’t actually Nimitz or Rocheforte who sent the Kaga, Akagi, Hiryu, and Soryu to the bottom. In fact the missions were uncoordinated but when the aviators, when they arrived, if they arrived, executed their missions with skill and bravery.
It’s all bulls*** unless you have men willing to risk their lives to blow s*** up.
“It’s all bulls*** unless you have men willing to risk their lives to blow s*** up.”
I accidentally made it sound cheaper than it is. What I meant was men who are willing to put everything that is important to them, everything they love, on hold, maybe never to be picked up again, for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_Memorial_Chapel#:~:text=The%20Submarine%20Memorial%20Chapel%20is%20a%20military%20chapel,the%20submariners%20who%20died%20in%20World%20War%20II.
Sorry if I’m not gender inclusive enough for the current orthodoxy. No. Wait one. Not sorry. Belay my last.
Arminius, as you well know there are books, multiple books written on the subject. And I am not going to write a book here on this blog.
If Nimitz doesn’t take the risk it never happens, regardless of the bravery or capability of the Naval aviators flying off the carriers. If Rochefort doesn’t break the code and prove Midway is a target, Nimitz never gets to make that call.
Everything else follows.
In fact, back up – If President Roosevelt doesn’t press for a plan to hit the Japs at home, and if a naval submariner doesn’t come up with the plan, the Japs very likely never even attack Midway.
1. Add hominem from an jingoistic war monger with absolute excrement for brains is a compliment thank you. I would prefer you grew some form of brain, or if you fail to do that explain why Ukrainian NATO membership was worth Russia invading Ukraine. Furthermore explain why potentially triggering a war is worth it for Nancy Pelosi to do a photo op.
2. Admiral Yamamoto was also a great admiral, and yes it helped for us to crack Japanese codes but it was the heroic pilots and sailors who won the battle of Midway
However on planet Earth as opposed to whatever planets history you know about that wasn’t enough to win the battle of Midway. The Japanese aircraft happened to be fueled up and armed and on deck when the aircraft carriers got dive bombed. Yep that is right in Earth history a few minutes separated Japanese warplanes being in the air vs them being on deck of their ships and making the dive bombing fatal to the aircraft carriers. Every one of the pilots in the strike force that sank the Japanese aircraft carriers said the same thing, surviving Japanese veterans said the same thing after the war, the damage (especially to Akagi) is only consistent with Japanese aircraft being on deck fueled and armed, the historians who have covered that battle for decades have claimed that is what happened to.
You are free to continue calling the heroic pilots who saved us in the second world war liars. I am sure in heaven they don’t give a dam about your jingoism or that you need to live in a world where American=invincible and where we should be saber rattling against a nuclear armed power with a massive military. You do realize the illiterate tribesman of Afghanistan are not a good match for what war against a real power like China would look like right?
3. You are utterly brainless. I stated what actually happened at Midway in reaction to your jingoistic insisting that we should risk war with China.
Whoever the F is war mongering is the person who needs to grow up and that is you. Grow up and explain what decades of American war mongering has achieved. I could list achievements like Libyan slave trade revived.
By the way to any onlooker who would like to see if Barry has credibility on this issue this is easy enough to find it is on Wikipedia
“Japanese naval doctrine preferred the launching of fully constituted strikes rather than piecemeal attacks. Without confirmation of whether the American force included carriers (not received until 08:20), Nagumo’s reaction was doctrinaire.[88] In addition, the arrival of another land-based American air strike at 07:53 gave weight to the need to attack the island again. In the end, Nagumo decided to wait for his first strike force to land, and then launch the reserve, which would by then be properly armed with torpedoes.[89]
Had Nagumo elected to launch the available aircraft around 07:45 and risked the ditching of Tomonaga’s strike force, they would have formed a powerful and well-balanced strike package that had the potential to sink two American carriers.[90] Furthermore, fueled and armed aircraft inside the ships presented a significant additional hazard in terms of damage to the carriers in an event of attack, and keeping them on the decks was much more dangerous than getting them airborne.[91] ”
Most war mongers have a highly distorted and jingoistic view of history, and should be completely ignored on foreign policy.
“You are free to continue calling the heroic pilots who saved us in the second world war liars.”
Since the censors removed my original reply I’ll just respond again to that false accusation.
I have not stated any such thing in this thread, on this blog, or any time in my life.
I challenge CCP Danny to show were I did. He can’t, he is a paid by the CCP liar.
We have nearly 20 times more nuclear warheads than China has.
At this point in time they could never win a nuclear war against us.
I will grant you that China is stupid. But not that stupid.
The point of a nuclear war is that there is no winner. It doesn’t matter if you strike first, or last, you lose.
We have mutually assured destruction with Russia, because Russia has even more nuclear warheads than we have. That’s what makes the war in Ukraine dangerous.
That’s not the case with China. We have 20 times more nuclear warheads than they have. There is no way that China would start a nuclear war with us.
Back in the 70s and 80s, nuclear war was potentially winnable against the US. If an enemy sent nuclear subs to the continental shelf off the east and west coat and lobbed SLBMs over CONUS. EMI from all the airbursts would have pinned down our ICBM fleet until their long range missiles could reach CONUS and turn us into a parking lot. Out of that think-tank war scenario, the USAF embarked on a program of “nuclear hardness” to insulate our nuclear fleet from destruction / interference by EMI. The same or similar nuclear war scenario was behind the Ohio class sub program and Trident missile systems.
They still have enough to kill everyone on Earth.
“A strange game.
The only winning move is not to play.”
https://youtu.be/MpmGXeAtWUw
I am really really really sick of a lifetime of our brilliant political leaders starting or provoking wars based on their belief in their own moral superiority lets see some results
1. Afghanistan-Dishonest selling of the war as just getting the people who did 9-11 when the goal was in fact to turn Afganistan into California-went as armed missionaries left the country with nothing accomplished and exactly the same people in charge who we overthrew, but to add insult to injury the raw material of Afghanistan is under contract to Chinese companies and was even before the Taliban took back the country because our ruling elite can’t even set up a puppet government correctly.
2.Iraq-We took a situation of Kurdish autonomy that had them have their own country in all but name, Shiite-Sunni equality yes under a totalitarian system but still better than Sunni oppression, Iraq being an enemy of Iran keeping balance in the region and an Iraq that had no terrorism problems-Lets see now Iraq can’t even keep Isis out without Russian and Iranian help, they can’t keep the PKK out, the Kurds and Sunni’s are appressed minorities, Iraq is marching towards theocracy…..great job geniuses, one of our other unprovoked wars went as expected
3. Libya-We brought back the slave trade, tribal warfare and mass refugees fleeing the nation we destroyed
We bombed dozens of countries this isn’t a term paper so I am skipping to Ukraine
4. Ukraine-Decades of Russian warning about what their red line to military response was, they made clear it would be their response regardless of how ready Russia was for war, they sent troops to the border-For no reason whatsoever, nobody could explain why Ukrainian NATO membership is in our interested we decided we don’t negotiate under threat of force so Vladimir Putin invaded exactly as he said he would for decades to prevent Ukraine joining NATO.
This wasn’t just predictable, actual people with intellect like Henry Kissinger DID predict it.
Do the updates on the loss of Luhansk, mass bombardments killing civilians on both sides (Ukraine has been bombarding Donetsk city so it isn’t just Russians killing civilians) is all that pleasing to you?
I don’t want our genius amoral (with a delusion of being the most moral people in history) leadership causing a war between China and Taiwan. I am sick of their war policies and want to bring back pragmatic diplomacy.
Eisenhower would make the FDR purge look like nothing in comparison if he was seeing what the 21st century American government oversaw.
China says possibility of WW3 if you make your god dam photo op-don’t do your god dam photo op. The risk doesn’t even remotely come close to the reward.
It’s quite clear Danny works for the CCP.
It is very clear that Barry is a foal loathsome cockroach who knows he will survive nuclear war so doesn’t care and so therefore feels Nancy Pelosi feeling good about herself in a photo-op is worth risk of war with China.
This cockroach seems to think because we are a more powerful superpower we should be provoking other people to war.
If Eisenhower who determined the benefits of helping Hungary in a truly noble goal to liberate themselves was outweighed by the what Russia could do in response and so restrained himself from what he wanted to do could see that there are Republicans who feel active threats by China should be dismissed and we should provoke them FOR A GOD DAMNED PICTURE (so gaining absolutely nothing) he would be deeply ashamed that he didn’t run as an independent.
I would much rather be the party of Eisenhower than the party of Bush and Barry.
Danny the CCP liar.
You told a lie and refuse to answer for it. You are dishonest.
And you’re not fit to live in the same country as Eisenhower.
I notice that part of your CCP training is to change the subject and lie about the original. You bring up a tidbit about Midway as though it has anything to do with the subject at hand. You try, and fail, to change the subject by putting words in my keyboard. I have not promoted war, not even slightly. I simply refuse to allow the CCP control over where and when Americans can travel. And I tell the truth about the state of the chinese military, how weak it is. And you cannot refute it, because it is true.
And you, being in the employ of the CCP take up for them, promote their line. If you are a US Citizen, which is questionable, then you are a traitor.
Barry the cockroach again
1. Eisenhower literally allowed Hungary to fall instead of risking war with Russia because he did exactly what you oppose he did a risk assessment followed by a list of benefits compared to the risk. Thank God Eisenhower was the kind of person who would never entertain the idea that you are someone worth listening to. Eisenhower would very clearly agree with me and his actual record as president establishes that.
2. You are a liar. I am not Chinese, I am not communist, I am not CCP, and anyone who has seen anything I have to say about any issue could see that, but you are a jingoistic beast and a war monger (as established by your advocating violating a nuclear armed super powers red lines for a god damned picture). I called you jingoistic because you are claiming that we should ignore China’s red lines WHEN THE GOD DAMNED ISSUE IS LITERALLY A PICTURE TAKEN OF NANCY PELOSI. There are issues I would agree could be worth risk of war, even war with China. A picture of Nancy Pelosi simply isn’t one of those.
3. I brought up Midway because it is relevant to know how close our greatest naval victory came to defeat, and in response you denied something witnessed by EVERY SINGLE one of the heroes who stopped the Kido Butai and that every historian has confirmed. Confirming you are a liar. You tried to credit code breaking alone in fact. Code breaking certainly helped but so to did the Japanese Admiral losing his nerve following the Torpedo bombers resulting in the war planes being armed and fueled and on deck when the carriers got struck. Your need to pretend you have some type of knowledge resulted in you denying that.
4. I didn’t put a single word in your keybord YOU made claims that China’s military isn’t worth mentioning (not the opinion of the Pentagon, not the opinion of Japan, not the opinion of Vietnam, not the opinion of India, and not the opinion of South Korea either) and we should ignore their red line. Guess what? American diplomacy avoided war with Russia by NOT ignoring enemy red lines.
5. You are truly an evil person if you want a war for Nancy Pelosi to take a god damned picture.
6 How dare you how dare you call people traitors simply because they don’t feel a picture taken of Nancy Pelosi is worth risk of war. Thank god you are the kind of person Eisenhower or Nixon or Raegan would have told GTFO.
Keep calling people who are very clearly not communists (Anyone who has seen anything I have to say on ANY issue knows you are bleeping liar), and calling people who don’t feel Nancy Pelosi taking a picture is worth a literal risk of starting a war means they are CCP agents; it will make actual conservatives see you aren’t just not worth listening to but you should be actively ignored or opposed.
“China Issues Warnings”
Forget the warnings and issue an aploogy after the fact.
I know why Sundowner is taking China’s position, they own his ass, but Nancy isn’t playing the game is puzzling.
Can I get $25 on Pelosi not going?
Sure, I’ll take that $25.
Pelosi is as owned by the CCP as Biden. It’s all a game and you and I are not players. We’re the audience they are trying to influence.
Pelosi is going for one reason, to flex her muscle and get paid.
It sounds like the CCP isn’t paying Nazi Pelousy nearly as much as they’re paying the pedophile-in-chief.
heh, I’m sure she is 2nd tit on that payscale.
Whoever the censor is, why don’t you censor the comments of a CCP employee?