CDC: Fully Vaccinated People Can Stop Wearing Masks in Most Places
The CDC accepted science. Finally.
Fantastic news! The CDC has finally accepted science! It’s so weird how the CDC accepted science after more and more people called them out for ignoring common knowledge that vaccines help stop the spread of disease.
From NBC News:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Thursday that people who are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 no longer need to wear masks or physically distance, indoors or outdoors in most circumstances.
“We have all longed for this moment when we can get back to some sense of normalcy,” CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said during a media briefing Thursday afternoon.
“Based on the continuing downward trajectory of cases, the scientific data on the performance of our vaccines, and our understanding of how the virus spreads,” Walensky said, “that moment has come for those who are fully vaccinated.”
No duh, Sherlock. That moment came as soon as I got my second shot. I don’t need permission or anyone to tell me that a vaccine protects me.
The CDC received a lot of criticism two weeks ago when it said vaccinated people should still wear masks indoor and outdoors in large crowds. Common sense people told President Joe Biden the stupid caution expressed by his administration has resulted in major vaccine hesitancy across the nation:
During a virtual meeting Tuesday on vaccinations with a bipartisan group of governors, President Joe Biden appeared to acknowledge that his administration had to do more to model the benefits of vaccination.
“I would like to say that we have fully vaccinated people; we should start acting like it,” Utah Gov. Spencer Cox, a Republican, told Biden. “And that’s a big motivation get the unvaccinated to want to to get vaccinated.”
“Good point,” Biden responded. He added, “we’re going to be moving on that in the next little bit.”
The guidelines do not apply to healthcare settings, public transportation hubs, airports, and correctional facilities.
If a local business wants you to wear a mask they can still require it. Remember, if a business requires you to wear a mask, you do not have to give them your business.
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“Fully vacccinated people can stop wearing masks in most places”
Translation: People who wear masks don’t need to be vaccninated.
And unvaccinated people don’t need to wear masks around vaccinated people.
Translation – non-vaccinated person still must wear masks. And since we cannot tell by just looking at you, you will need to show your papers.
Yeah, but not to vote.
I would not be surprised to see a requirement to show proof of vaccination to vote in person. The less in person voting, the better the outcome for certain parties, for some reason.
I am vacinated and not wearing a mask, still it is a good idea to monitor which mutations are spreading.
COVID is likely endemic now. I would suspect mutations will be less of a deadly threat (unless the Chinese engineered it differently) and it is likely some sort of annual or semi-annual vaccine will be required for control, much like the flu. It depends on how fast the mutations evolve and how far away from the original organism it mutates.
The results from the virus would not have been much different from a flu outbreak in which no vaccine was available. A vary serious problem but not a civilization ender.
I would urge caution for younger healthy people in taking the mRNA vaccines. I would urge older people and people with certain co-morbidities to get the vaccine. Eventually we will have enough data and hopefully rationality to make informed decisions regarding widespread or universal application of these vaccines.
I urge everyone to get back to life as normal, if that is now possible.
“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”
Charles Mackay – Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (1841)
I hope, too, we shall regain sufficient rationality to have a sane conversation about where this virus came from, that is, gain of function experimentation in China supported, in part, by US taxpayer dollars, so we may have a serious and rational discussion concerning the threats of these sorts of experiments and how they must be outlawed.
In my opinion, gain in function experiments, especially gain in function experiments with organism that can infect humans, crosses the boundaries of the Biological Weapons Convention, and should be universally outlawed.
One of the advocates for these sort of gain in function experiments, and funding the lab work in Wuhan on bat coronaviruses to make them infect humans, solution to the problem he helped create was to wear a mask and hide. The imbecility of this is infinite in scale and will do nothing to avoid an even worse future pandemic.
A lot of good points. I must resolve to be Brave like Sir Robbin.
“Good point,” Biden responded. He added, “we’re going to be moving on that in the next little bit.” ”
Could Biden have made an endorsement for the “moving forward” aspect with any less enthusiasm then this! What will he use as excuses to ram more of his socialized bills and his idea of “reform” down the throats of Americans if the “pandemic” looses it’s strong hold on government controls?
But as so many others, I ditched the mask a while back and find even if wearing it where required, it’s under duress and under my chin. Haven’t been asked to leave any business, yet. If that does happen, it’ll happen only once when I hand them back their loyalty card.
I don’t blame you, but please don’t hassle the clerks. A whole lot of them don’t like this b.s. either, and in any case they didn’t make the rules.
No Hassle here. Just a one on one with the manager/owner. Until owners/managers step up as a joint effort advocating for the newest guidance regs., for the public at large with those in their local city, town, county and state government officials, nothing will change for the customer/shopper. This has no implication on the rules that the owner/managers may have to make regulation accommodations for their employees.
I’m glad about the “no hassle.” I have never stood behind a counter to make a living, but I have a lot of sympathy for those people, a majority of whom are women. A long time ago, I made a personal rule to never give any crap to someone who stands behind a counter, waits tables, or otherwise is paid by the hour.
If you want to fully understand how much crap they often take, try giving some genuine compliments sometime. This might sound cheesy, but I’ve brought tears to some eyes doing that, and more than once. I despise the masks, and thought they were b.s. right from the get-go, but I have ALWAYS gone out of my way to let they who stand behind the counter feel appreciated, especially now.
“Brotherhood of the Civilized” is what I call it.
If you know a business requires a mask, don’t screw around with wearing it under your chin. Be a damned responsible adult and either wear it properly or don’t enter the business. I’m sick and tired of hearing people on the political right going on and on about “muh rights” when they’re on private property. Here’s a clue: You don’t have a “right” to decide for yourself how you’re going to use someone else’s private property.
Go back to CNN, communist.
Supporting private property rights makes me a communist? Are you freaking insane? When you tell a property owner that he must allow you to do whatever YOU want in HIS property and there’s nothing he can do about it, you’ve become the communist.
Stop inventing rights that don’t exist. Y’all have become as nutty and unhinged as the average leftist.
Oh God, another communist. Don’t you freaks ever get tired of your pathetic selves? Are you also “transgendered?” You know, an intersectional?
Except, of course, if I’m in a “protected class,” as Lester Maddox found out. And who is or isn’t in a “protected class” and why is always, ALWAYS, political.
Push back. Always push back.
Yah you Branch Covidians are soooo into rights and all …well until you’re not or it looks like someone is not adhering to your cult practices that is….
How’s that TV you looted working out for you, communist? Still living in a tent next to the freeway, antifa puke? Asking for a friend.
THANKS CDC – I GUESS WE REALLY DO NEED YOU
– to tell us what’s obvious 3-months after it has become obvious.
US taxpayers pay billion every year to CDC and NIH and their politically-driven guidance was pathetic during the pandemic. Literally, people died due to their inept response. Someday it will all come out.
Suffice it to say that everyone of the CDC career people should be ashamed and embarrassed. You spend your career – decades – preparing to fight an epidemic and this was the best you could do ? ?
There have been very few “breakthrough” cases for people fully vaccinated.
Five minutes ago, I my spouse told me that he’d been talking with a neighbor, who told him that a vaxxed friend was infected and died. Also, one of his cousins (don’t know if she was vaxxed) is in the hospital with covid, on a ventilator. There’s only so much you can ask in these situations, and I am telling everything I know.
I always wonder about the people who know the exception to the rule. During the height of Covid, nearly every relative died, or all their close friends died.. and they were always gruesome deaths. Either those people are supremely unlucky or they have a bit of a drama addiction.
I am also one degree of separation from Chicago covid patient #4, whose life was saved by HCQ in March 2020. Facts are facts. I know lots of detail on that one, but this is the internet, the land of the short attention span.
She died last night. Very nice woman. It’s a sad morning here.
Turns out she wasn’t vaxxed. I don’t know why not, and I don’t know if I will learn the reason. Very sad, but I guess it was her choice. I am for that kind of freedom, but the flip side is personal responsibility and consequences.
I would argue two points:
1) The moment to stop wearing a mask came long before you got your second shot.
2) I think we lack data to support the idea that the vaccine stops you from getting covid. Haven’t there been huge percentages of hospitalized people who have received both shots?
There’s a number of factors that make ‘covid after vaccination’ look worse than it really is. Remember that vaccines, even for smallpox and measles, are only X% effective, which means they’re Y% ‘you can still get it after vaccination but it won’t be nearly as bad.’ Also, the vaccination focus in the early weeks was on the weakest, elderly-est section of the population, plus the PCR test was cranked so high that even shed dead cells or random dirt would register as a positive. So the end result is vaccinations still leave a tiny fraction of people who actually *do* get sick with it, but not nearly the number the frantic media are trying to sell you.
Masks are almost totally gone from our county (other than most store employees) and we don’t miss them a bit.
Is there any public data on the effectiveness of the vaccines? I’ve seen people claim X% effective at preventing an infection and the claim that they promote fewer/less severe symptoms in infected people. Is there data somewhere to support these claims?
I figure if the numbers were super favorable with regards to the covid vaccine, then we wouldn’t be changing the reporting from “test positive” to “hospitalized from it”.
“Effectiveness” is commonly misunderstood. It refers to the percentage of vaxxed people who get covid relative to the unvaxxed. Thus, if the Pfizer vax is “95% effective,” as the FDA has said, it means that, if 1% of the unvaxxed population gets it, we can expect 0.05% of vaxxed people to get it.
This means that the vax I referred to (Pfizer’s) is a LOT more effective than the 95% number would suggest. As for less severe symptoms, that’s being seen in the field. In places where lots of people have been vaxxed (Israel being the best example), those who have had “breakthrough” cases have had much better outcomes, on average.
But there are no guarantees. Only a few minutes ago, I was told that a neighbor’s vaxxed friend got covid and died recently. I don’t know any more details than that.
Is there data to support the 95% number?
I get how the numbers work, but I can’t find anything beyond the claim. Considering stories of people being vaxxed and getting a bad case are getting numerous, I am doubting the claim.
There is plenty of data. I have hardly any confidence in the CDC, but thus far I am willing to treat the FDA separately. Their efficacy numbers have been reported widely in many sources, and are supported by real-world experience.
What country? I want to go there.
I think they would probably argue two points:
1) The goal posts are moveable
2) They control the goal posts
What’s truly ironic is that there is a lot of reporting recently to indicate the the vax itself causes you to shed new “artificial” virus… meaning that the only people who should be wearing masks right now are precisely the ones who HAVE been vaccinated.
No shot, and I haven’t needed a mask since Day 1 of this psyop. Even with attending so-called “superspreader” events, I’ve come down with no sickness. Amazing what a functioning immune system is capable of.
Healthy people do not need masks, period.
Right. They knew by May that 95+% of the infections were the obese, the very old and those with pre-existing conditions that tend to compromise immunity.
But they insisted on keeping the economy closed – for politics – because it would hurt Trump.
History will not be kind to Democrats and the healthcare / media enablers.
by May 2020
Let me point out that I *did* get Covid over Christmas (whee!) from my son-in-law’s visit, and neither of us are old birds. (although we both lost 20 pounds in the process) I can understand exactly why this kills so many old folks, because it was like being hit by a truck, which then backed up to see what it hit, then drove off to hit somebody else. Voluntary masking was certainly justified last year, but not the godawful shutdown we went through.
I’m not sure why all the downvotes. Same date, same weight loss (losing your sense of taste does wonders for a food addiction). Just didn’t hit me at all hard. It was like a normal seasonal cold, but longer and with more fatigue.
There is at least one upside to this psyop — we no longer have any cases of the flu nor any deaths from the flu! How coincidental.
So if we are not wearing masks, they will assume we are vaccinated. Awesome!
No mask? They will assume you are a deplorable needing reeducation. I will be a classmate.
Now do the part where 99.9% of the masks being worn out there are totally ineffective is stopping the virus from getting in or out. Holes in the mask’s fibers are too big to even slow down the coronavirus. I know that’s not news, but it continues to be ignored.
100%
No mask that relies on the user to power air through it can stop or slow down a virus.
Masks are worthless for virus protection, in or out.
“”That moment came as soon as I got my second shot. I don’t need permission or anyone to tell me that a vaccine protects me.””
Yeah, about that protection thing.
I’m not sure about this. I have been thoroughly trained over the last year to disbelieve everything the CDC says.
The CDC has been horrible!
Means nothing in my state. Our leftist Governor just announced there will be no change to our state’s mask mandate despite today’s new CDC guidance and the fact that 75% of the state’s population have had one shot and 60% both.
You can’t enter any business in this state without a mask. You’ll be asked to leave and if you refuse, you’ll be arrested for trespassing. Asshole leftists won’t even listen to their own damn President and CDC. They say “Follow the Science” only when it suits them. What a bunch of horseshit.
Finally. Some semblance of reason from the CDC.
That said, I do keep a pack of masks in the truck so I can put it on if the business requests it. IMO, it’s totally unnecessary but I was taught that ‘when you get your own place then you can make the rules’.
It’s their place so I either follow their rules or take my business elsewhere without making a pointless scene.
I don’t know of any businesses that want to force this. They’ve done it because they were required to do it. Complaining to them is complaining to the wrong people.
Random,
Well in those States where the mask mandate has been revoked and a business is still requiring masks it is that business and not the government setting the requirement.
In any event it’s their place not mine. They can make the rules for their place. The rest of us should either respect their decision or take our patronage elsewhere.
If the sign says wear a mask then either put it on or turn around and go elsewhere. No scene and theatrics are needed. Just be an adult.
Easier said than done, to be honest. Where I live, EVERY grocery store requires them. There really is no practical alternative here for anything that you must have right away, and must get in person — groceries, hardware, auto parts coming to mind right off the bat.
Different for non-essentials. When the restaurants in town began requiring people to sign in with their address and phone number, we stopped eating out. This was going to be used for “contact tracing.” NO.
A few weeks ago, I was in a small town in Oregon and got into it with a clerk, something that’s VERY rare with me because I have a code about hassling people who work behind a counter. I stormed out, and returned about a half-hour later to apologize.
I’m glad I did, not only because I felt bad about hassling her but because it was a learning experience. It was a small cafe, and the clerk was the owner. After I fell on my sword with great sincerity, she told me that she didn’t like the masks either but there was an unofficial Karen Squad (my label, not hers) in town that was reporting businesses.
She told me she felt that she had to require them because (her words) “I can’t afford the fines.”
Folks, I have DESPISED the mask crap from the first day. Still do. I have ALWAYS thought it was unscientific bullshit. But I think it’s important for people to try to understand the dilemma for small businesses. I consider it a real act of courage, ambition, and even daring to be a small business person. I cannot bring myself to blame them, my one lapse (and really, it’s the only time I lost it in more than a year of this horseshit) notwithstanding.
These people have been SO screwed. Turned into enforcers, and then robbed of their employees by gov’t policies that pay people not to work. My dissatisfaction went through the roof a long time ago, but only once (and with great regret and personal, heartfelt apology) have I ever blamed a business, which was just so wrong of me.
Crap. It’s like the state “no guns in bars” rules. The restauranteurs don’t want the guns, but they don’t want their patrons getting mad at them, so their trade association pays off a bunch of politicians to pass a law. Then they can all point at the law and lie, “it wasn’t our idea.”
I shouldn’t have taken my vaccine already. I could have held out to see if I could win a free vacation or early retirement with a lotto winning.
My Governor’s response was that they would carefully review the CDC’s guidance before they determined if they would follow it. What’s there to determine? Over 50% of my state is fully vaccinated. We’ll be well over 60% by the end of the month. It’s time to take off the damned face diapers and get back to living. Hospitals are reporting that 99% of covid admissions are people who aren’t vaccinated and even those numbers are way down. Let adults decide how they wish to proceed and end this drama.
It’s never once been about the science. Not then, not now.
How much has actually changed? You must still wear a mask on aircraft and trains. I’d bet my doctors don’t change their absurd masks + temperature check + covid questionnaire routine. I don’t see a single national or regional business like Walmart, Target, Publix, or Home Depot announcing they’re dropping their private mask mandates in response. Heck, I have yet to see a small business take down their mask sign.
In addition, I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop: a second push for vax passports. Since the guidelines only apply to the vaccinated, how is a business owner expected to protect their “vulnerable” employees from this ebola-like scourge? How will we ever get the airlines going again? Answer, a new CDC guideline for vax passports to keep the Dalits out.
Driving from NY state to North Carolina six weeks ago it’s amazing how many small town gas stations in Western Pennsylvania and southern Virginia don’t have mask signs on their doors. Clerks aren’t wearing masks either.
Great point. I moved from El Paso Texas back to rural South Alabama in mid December. Drove the I 20.
The difference between locations in the States along the way was amazing. The areas in or adjacent to larger cities: masks everywhere. Small towns or unincorporated areas: less than a third of people wearing them including the clerks in the gas stations.
“how many small town gas stations in Western Pennsylvania and southern Virginia don’t have mask signs on their doors”
Or have gas in their pumps! 🤪
Wal-Mart has dropped the requirement, and so has Trader Joes. Others to follow soon.
Pennsylvania has already dropped its mask mandate, and Connecticut is lifting theirs on May 19. Vermont has dropped it too. And yet Cuomo says he has to study the science before dropping it. He just wants to be in control. Screw it. I have been wearing my mask pulled down around my chin in NY state for weeks now. I will no longer be wearing a mask at all
No, Cuomo just has a really hard time understanding things when people write them in math and science. He’s been studying one particular CDC document for five days, now, and still hasn’t gotten to the second page.