Wuhan Virus Watch: Two Passengers Die After Leaving Quarantined Cruise Ship
Other Diamond Princess passengers still recovering from “The Voyage of the Infected”
The number of reported Wuhan Coronavirus cases now stands at 76,735, located within 30 countries and territories, and the death toll stands at 2,247.
Two passengers die after leaving quarantined Princess cruise ship
Two Japanese passengers who contracted COVID-19 onboard a cruise ship isolated in Japan have died.
Both were in their 80s with underlying health conditions. They were being treated in hospitals after being taken off the Diamond Princess last week.
At least 621 people on the ship tested positive for the virus, named Covid-19, the biggest cluster outside China.
…The victims were an 87-year-old man and an 84-year-old woman, Japan’s health ministry said.
The man – from Kanagawa prefecture south of Tokyo – had had bronchial asthma and died from Covid-19.
The woman – from the capital – died from pneumonia believed to be caused by the coronavirus.
Despite CDC warnings, coronavirus-infected Americans flown back to the US on a plane full of healthy people
Against the advice of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 14 coronavirus-stricken Americans evacuated from the same cruise ship in Japan were flown back to the US on a plane full of healthy people.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials argued the 14 infected Diamond Princess passengers shouldn’t be flown back with the about 300 virus-free people — but ultimately lost the battle to the US State Department, according to The Washington Post.
“It was like the worst nightmare,” an anonymous senior U.S. official involved in the decision told the paper.
“Quite frankly, the alternative could have been pulling grandma out in the pouring rain, and that would have been bad, too.”
Test results had found that the 14 passengers were infected prior to boarding planes to the US on Monday.
“Nobody anticipated getting these results,” said another U.S. official.
British victim describes what it’s like to have coronavirus
A British passenger who was also on the Diamond Princess describes his infection with COVID-19.
David Abel, 74, described collapsing at a Japanese hospital and being put in a wheelchair after he became one of 634 people to catch coronavirus on the vessel where the disease is rapidly spreading among those remaining onboard.
The virus poses a significant threat to the Abels due to their age and the fact Mr Abel is diabetic, because elderly and sick people with compromised immune systems are most at risk of serious complications.
In a Facebook post documenting his ordeal with coronavirus, Mr Abel said: ‘We arrived in lovely hospital a couple of hours ago. Taken by ambulance blues and twos the entire journey.
‘Outside the hospital I came over a bit weird and nearly passed out. Every pore on my body opened and I was wheelchaired to our room. Full health inspection and now we know what’s going on.’
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“US on a plane full of healthy people”
Someone, probably a number of people, need to be strung up over this.
Now we know the Communist Chinese Government was lying about this virus for what is more than a month, most likely months…..
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA . . . snicker . . . snort . . . sorry, I couldn’t help myself. Nobody, I repeat, nobody is going to be held accountable for allowing sick people on the same plane as the healthy.
If you’ve got the effing State Department people making medical decisions and overriding the officials at the CDC then you can bet your bottom dollar that the US federal government has given up fighting this disease and is just going to let what happens happen. And God help the ordinary citizen when it does. It’s going to be the end of it all. And nobody is going to worry about who is responsible.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials argued the 14 infected Diamond Princess passengers shouldn’t be flown back with the about 300 virus-free people — but ultimately lost the battle to the US State Department, according to The Washington Post.
Who made that decision in the State Department?!? Names, we want names and we want them held accountable.
https://www.state.gov/on-the-repatriation-of-u-s-citizens-from-the-princess-diamond-cruise-ship/
>> Dr. William Walters
On the Repatriation of U.S. Citizens from the Princess Diamond Cruise Ship
Special Briefing
Dr. Robert Kadlec, Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
Dr. William Walters, Executive Director and Managing Director for Operational Medicine for the Bureau of Medical Services at the U.S. Department of State
Carl Risch, Assistant Secretary for the Bureau of Consular Affairs at the Department of State
Wanna bet it was an Obama or Clinton appointee???????
That’s where I’m placing my money. Another scandal where Trump doesn’t take the advice of a bureaucrat even though he isn’t involved in the decision. Making something out of nothing to justify yet another four years of “Impeach! Impeach! Impeach!”
Evidently Trump didn’t know anything about it. He had signed on to the CDCs recommendation that positive patients be quarantined where they were. Someone in the (Deep) State Department overruled him.
Maybe they should interview Roger Stone?
These are people with extreme hospital services. And, they still died. The Chinese say this virus has a 2.1% mortality rate. Expect it to be lower in 1st world countries if you can get into a hospital.
The thing that is going to save the USA is that this virus is hitting at the END of flu season. Because it transmits like the regular flu – we could have had 35 – 40 million cases if it was a full season attack. However, we may have as few as 10 million even if it gets loose in our country.
Even with a 5% mortality rate (the Chinese lie) we are still talking only 1 in every 600 Americans would die. With a 2% mortality rate it would be 1 in every 1500 Americans.
So, you would know someone who died of Corona Virus but it would probably not be your immediate friends or family.
I think you are underestimating the scope of this. It is in the wild in Africa now, lets see if it matters rather or not it is flu season? Also, a Canadian woman just brought it home, she just returned from Iran. Allah willing, it will wreak havoc there.
1918 Spanish Flu………
It didn’t matter HOW HEALTHY you were when that hit you!
From what I gather from the history of it.
You are right. People with competent immune systems got the worst of it, dying in as little as 1-3 days.
I am not impressed with cold statstics, when real people die that didn’t need to in the first place….on such a scale.
I still don’t understand what the panic is about. This flu season in US, alone, CDC estimates 26 million infected, 250,000 hospitalized and 14,000 deaths. I guess I’m cynical about the Wuhan “Flu” after the previous hysteria about “Swine Flu”, the next 1918 Flu etc.
I guess part of the problem is that we don’t trust the reports coming out of China about number infected, mortality, etc. But most of the reported deaths seem to be among elderly and/or people with chronic illnesses; not like 1918 which killed a disproportionate number of young , healthy adults. IIRC, in Nov., 1918 200,000 people died in the US from the flu.
Flu, or flus, are caused by a family of virii which have already spread worldwide. The population has some degree of immunity, albeit not enough to reliably prevent catching it. It’s familiar, and usually only miserable, so many people don’t realize it can possibly kill you. This one is different in a few ways:
1. It’s new, and sufficiently different from anything previous that nobody has even cross-immunity to it.
2. It’s a coronavirus, which is associated with common colds. It’s not an influenza strain. Colds are highly contagious.
3. Early data has it being at least 10x more lethal than flu, for whatever reason.
4. It can KO healthy people in their 30s and 40s, not only the very old or young. Ordinary flu can do that too, there -may- be a difference in how many. So far, out of only a couple thousand recorded deaths there have been several of otherwise healthy people under 60.
5. Unlike SARS/MERS, it’s a smart spreader. You walk around with mild, just-a-cold symptoms or possibly none at all, yet broadcasting the virus.
6. Warm weather doesn’t stop it cold. It was spreading in Singapore, on the Equator.
TL;DR. Not the Zombie Apocalypse. Not a nothing.
There is 29-year old Chinese doctor that just died, 3 weeks before he was to be married. No…this isn’t just an “old people’s disease”>
What do you make of the “odd” first reports that this virus wasn’t really affecting children at all.
Really odd……
This William Walters fellow was mixed up with the importation of ebola infected patients to the US back in ’14. He’s among the group at State that develop protocol and guidelines. When questioned about the appropriateness of loading sick people onto a plane of full of healthy passengers – he refers reporters back to State Dept. protocol as if he, William Walters, is a disinterested third party just doin’ his job!
They were loaded onto buses, and those – roughly 15 buses, and those buses were moved as a package, escorted by Japanese security and police. ###>>>And it was only once they were loaded onto the buses, and the buses were in motion that we were made aware that these positive results had come back from the Government of Japan.<<>>And it was only once they were loaded onto the buses, and the buses were in motion that we were made aware that these positive results had come back from the Government of Japan.<<<###
Now, understand the Government of Japan is doing amazing work, right, in trying to manage this unprecedented event with not a lot of information regarding the virus, because they’re just – we just are learning new things every day. But we were faced with a situation where these are people who are already in the evacuation pipeline, they’re already on buses, they’re already on their way to the aircraft.
When the bus – and it was a direct line. When the buses arrived at the aircraft, those people that were identified during that process as being coronavirus-positive but asymptomatic with no symptoms of disease were taken off the bus, were moved onto the aircraft into that dedicated isolation area, which was the safest place for them to get them away from the rest of the passengers and give us time to make some decisions.
I contacted Assistant Secretary Kadlec. We had a conversation, and the conversation was this: We have a protocol that we have used on all preceding flights for passengers that develop symptoms – or, in this case, new information – that put them at a higher risk. And that protocol is to move them to the isolation area for the remainder of the evacuation.
Then the question was simply this: Are these evacuees? And do we follow our protocol? And the answer to that was yes on both accounts. Yes, these are evacuees. We have taken – we have put them into the evacuation pipeline, we have a plan. Should we execute the plan? And the answer was yes.
And so they were put into the isolation area to give room for decision-making, and then they were kept in the isolation area because they fit the profile of the people that go into that isolation area, and in the isolation area they pose no additional risk to passengers or crew.
Dr. Kadlec, I don’t know if you have anything to add.
“I contacted Assistant Secretary Kadlec. We had a conversation, and the conversation was this: We have a protocol that we have used on all preceding flights for passengers that develop symptoms…”
Except these passengers didn’t “develop” anything. They were COVID19 positive before they ever saw the inside of an airplane.
You are being disingenuous. The President had already agreed with the CDC that known positive patients would not be allowed in.
Someone at State had the balls to overrule the President and the CDC. Who? And why?
“Both were in their 80s with underlying health conditions. ”
At that age and condition, you’re on borrowed time, an ordinary flu would have killed them just as dead.
Five decades of anti-education plus some innate stupidity have blinded most, but your time is limited. Ask a surgeon; there are no truly healthy 80 years olds, just grand-aunts you may look on with some affection. 80 isn’t 18, never can be never will be.
This cold/flu nCOV-19 or whatev is not a joke, it is highly contagious and has a higher rate of complications than ordinary flu, higher by maybe 10x. But Death comes for all, and the usual causes is Time.
80 isn’t 18, never can be never will be.
Forty isn’t eighteen, either. That’s no excuse to write off forty-year-olds.
Nobody’s writing them off, that’s #Antifa 😉
I’m merely pointing out a fact which everyone knows but isn’t spoken in the news.
We are rather squeamish about the inevitability of death which results in some bad medical decisions. If you’re in a hospital, you can’t just die – by law they must drag it out for months unless you or your authorized relative files a written intent otherwise. This is perhaps the one case when you’re better off in a little nowhere hospital, they don’t have the extra facilities or the level of supervision to painfully drag you from age 89 to 89.44 with ventilators, pumps and adrenaline.
Our ancestors died at home, in bed. I think that if we asked them whether they’d rather have an extra 6 months held on the edge, they’d have smacked us with a heavy object.
I’m fine with your position, so long as you don’t have any say at all in the way my parents are treated.
I am not in my 80’s; I am 76. Close enough. I have a problem with the concept of the “elderly dying from the flu”. All of us start dying the day we are born. Those of us of my age know that light we see at the end of the tunnel is that inevitable train.
When you are 80+, something is going to get you, sooner or later. If it is sooner, so be it.
Pneumonia was known as “the old man’s friend” for a reason. Most/man flu deaths are actually from pneumonia.
My mother died in her late 90’s. She was mentally completely fit. Was fond of giving you a tour of her Apple watch. Physically, she was a complete wreck. Essentially frozen solid from arthritis. Life was constant pain. She was glad to check out. Enough was enough.
If and when I get to that point, bring on the old man’s friend.
14 coronavirus-stricken Americans evacuated from the same cruise ship in Japan were flown back to the US on a plane full of healthy people.
There’s obviously a lot more to this story. Everybody down to the baggage handlers knows how easily airborne contagions are circulated in aircraft ventilation systems.
DR WALTERS: Yeah, this is Dr. Walters. So the way – the use of the aircraft, and the movement of patients exposed to, in this case, coronavirus is very specific, very deliberate, and is sort of the culmination of a lot of interagency work over the years.
The 747 is large, obviously, and is broken up into sections. The airflow within the aircraft is nose to tail, and so our crew aboard kind of owns the nose area of the aircraft, and we call that a safe area. Then there’s passenger seating. And then, at the tail of the aircraft we take 18 seats, and that will become an isolation area. Because it’s a cargo aircraft we’ve got tremendous latitude in the way that we set up both the seats and the ability to drop plastic on all four sides of that block of seats. That plastic is, like, 10 feet tall and has one entrance, one exit at the back of that isolation area. And so that – that both protects the rest of the passengers and the rest of the crew from any spread. Every interaction with passengers that are inside the isolation area is very deliberate, it’s very – it’s planned, and it’s done very carefully.
“Because it’s a cargo aircraft we’ve got tremendous latitude in the way that we set up both the seats and the ability to drop plastic on all four sides of that block of seats.”
That’s an important detail, thx. So it ‘should’ turn out OK.
2. We should start installing UV disinfectant lamps on US based airplanes. Yeah it costs a few cents per ticket, but could also be a marketing point. US based aviation is getting whacked by lower cost competition.
Does the air pass through the isolation area and flow past all the cargo? I ask because this virus can live on surfaces for 9 days.
Yes. AFAIK, the cabin air is recirculated to the entire cabin.
Yes, done to cut down on fuel consumption I believe.
Until – what – the 90s, the airlines DID NOT re-circulate the same air for hours on end, but used fresh outside air coming in to replace the old air pumped out of the cabin.
One really big question:
If the death total is less than 2300 world wide……
WHY DID THE CHICOMS SEND 40 INCINERATORS TO WUHAN ????????
“Never let a crisis go to waste.”
Probably to deal with all of the contaminated medical waste that cannot be sent to regular landfills. They may be able to wash/sterilize some items but any other items should be destroyed.
Do you really think the Chinese throw things away before reusing them? And how careful do you really think they are with contaminated items? China is not a western nation with western standards.
Since when did that kind of consideration ever bother the Chinese. They just shove the toxic shit where ever it might go and damn the contamination to the environment. The Chinese government moved those incinerators to Wuhan for one purpose and one purpose only. To incinerate the dead citizens of the city. And then most likely move outward from there in their clean-up and disinfection of the dead zone.
I no longer will use the term “cremate”. This has gone well beyond the simple cremation of the dead. This is now an industrial scale clean-up on the part of the Chinese government and “incineration” is the better word for it now. (And I’m sure Xi Jinping has gotten out his little list of those he doesn’t like and will make them disappear also.0
Since when did that kind of consideration ever bother the Chinese. They just shove the toxic shit where ever it might go and damn the contamination to the environment. The Chinese government moved those incinerators to Wuhan for one purpose and one purpose only. To incinerate the dead citizens of the city. And then most likely move outward from there in their clean-up and disinfection of the dead zone.
I no longer will use the term “cremate”. This has gone well beyond the simple cremation of the dead. This is now an industrial scale clean-up on the part of the Chinese government and “incineration” is the better word for it now. (And I’m sure Xi Jinping has gotten out his little list of those he doesn’t like and will make them disappear also.0
They are claiming they sent these to incinerate medical waste, mabe dead people are medical waste.
Considering how contagious this is, incineration of bodies is a good idea.
And- it’s in Italy. 5 health workers. I wonder how many SICK people they spread it to before diagnosed.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-italy-idUSKBN20F0UI
About 15 more people, who will then spread it to 45 people, who will then spread it to 135 people, and so on.
Sorry, the above should have been a reply to JusticeDelivered and not a separate response. You can disregard it if you like. 🙂
They ignore the possibility of the virus being tracked all over the ship by service people stepping in the virus and going to each cabin to deliver food and other things. Some cough droplets will always settle on the floors and has a persistence of several hours