NY Times thinks it found the real enemy in al-Baghdadi raid: TRUMP
NY Times claims raid successful “in spite of President Trump’s actions, not because of them,” but if you read the details and not just the headlines, there’s nothing to the story.
The New York Times wants you to know who the real enemy of U.S. troops was in the raid to get Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi: DONALD TRUMP.
According to a handful of unnamed sources cited by the Times, the raid was successful IN SPITE OF not because of the president who ordered the raid:
The death of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the Islamic State leader, happened largely in spite of President Trump’s actions, not because of them, according to military, intelligence and counterterrorism officials
When you read the article, and not just the spin, the supposed Trump interference was announcing he would withdraw some troops from northern Syria:
President Trump knew the Central Intelligence Agency and Special Operations commandos were zeroing in on the location for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the Islamic State leader, when he ordered American troops to withdraw from northern Syria earlier this month, intelligence, military and counterterrorism officials said on Sunday.
For months, intelligence officials had kept Mr. Trump apprised of what he had set as a top priority, the hunt for Mr. al-Baghdadi, the world’s most wanted terrorist.
But Mr. Trump’s abrupt withdrawal order three weeks ago disrupted the meticulous planning underway and forced Pentagon officials to speed up the plan for the risky night raid before their ability to control troops, spies and reconnaissance aircraft disappeared with the pullout, the officials said.
Mr. al-Baghdadi’s death in the raid on Saturday, they said, occurred largely in spite of, and not because of, Mr. Trump’s actions.
The Times does not identify its sources. Let’s say they really exist, is it a shock that the Times could find some people to criticize Trump on just about anything?
Note that there is no claim the raid had been greenlighted and was interrupted. Or even that there was actionable intelligence. To accept this as interference, you’d have to say no troop movements or changes in policy could be ordered until al-Baghdadi was capture or killed — something that already had taken years of unsuccessful efforts.
The Times also admits that the “military called off missions at least twice at the last minute” without claiming those aborted missions were related to the troop withdrawal. Also, actionable intelligence only became available a few days ago:
The final planning for the raid came together over two to three days last week. A senior administration official said that Mr. al-Baghdadi was “about to move.” Military officials determined that they had to go swiftly. If Mr. al-Baghdadi moved again, it would be much harder to track him with the American military pulling out its troops and surveillance assets on the ground in Syria.
By Thursday and then Friday, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said on ABC’s “This Week,” Mr. Trump “gave us the green light to proceed.’’
There is nothing to this story other than the Times doing what it and others did after the 2016 election — trying to delegitimize Trump. It got lots of clicks and retweets, but it’s the Russia Collusion hoax all over again.
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Posted this on another thread, it cracks me up how transparent these clowns are…
This afternoon at the gym, Fox News tagline was (paraphrasing) ‘report: al-bagdhadi killed in military strike’
CNN tagline was:
‘Trump says Russia was ‘extremely helpful’ in military action.’
They just can’t help themselves!
Part of what I find frightening is that they can be so transparent and still be so effective. It does not bode well for the future.
Gee, in stories I read elsewhere, the withdrawal order was a pivotal step in smoking out Bhagdadi. According to those other stories, when the withdrawal order was given, some fighting erupted and some ISIS prisoners escaped. The escapees were monitored, so that some of them led to Al-Bhagdadi’s hiding place.
And our withdrawal allowed al-Baghdadi to believe he was safe.
I mean this most sincerely. If you never made the Murmansk run you have no reason to complain about your life.
Reminds me of the scene Strangelove,
DIDLEY
(smiling manfully)
I’m afraid not, sir. But possibly Von Klutz
in Research and Development?
VON KLUTZ
(firmly)
I haven’t heard of it, sir!
AMBASSADOR DE SADE
Perhaps you gentlemen would like to check
with the source?
GENERAL SCHMUCK
You mean you’ll tell us his name???
AMBASSADOR DE SADE
It’s not a he, General. It was an article
in the “Times” about a year and a half ago.
VARIOUS AD LIBS [by General Ripper]
What?
The “Times”??
I always knew it had subversive tendencies.
AMBASSADOR DE SADE
We get much of our most dependable information
from the “Times”. As I recall the article
said a Doctor Otto Strangelove, at the Bland
Corporation, was working on the idea. Naturally,
you could not expect us to believe he would be
doing such a thing as a hobby!
Correction, General Ripper should be General Buck Turgidson
NYT is conducting a trial by press so that social justice may be served.
If not the New York Slimes,who would produce the nations fish wrapper of choice.
I mourn for the trees that had to die to produce the copies of the NYT that did not end up as fish wrap or bird cage liner. Such a tragic waste of carbon sequesters and O2 generators.
Other sources report that there was cooperation between the parties. Furthermore, since there is no interest to carve Turkey, slice Syria, disembowel Iraq, in order to establish Kurdovo, the national and Kurdish leaders can no longer indulge a Pro-Choice establishment, but must reconcile and give peace a chance.
This particular batch of Kurds have killed hundreds of thousands of Christians over the last 110 years, as many as 15K over the last 10. It was only when things looked really bad that they hid their violent bigotry. They were no friend of Assad, whose family has protected Christians, in their own way, from Islamic bigotry for over 7 decades. However now they are on the same side to some extent. I think Assad prefers these Kurds be away from the border where they engage in constant mischief…and they cry discrimination.
So, let’s say that there is actually some accurate information in this story. There usually is, NYT pieces. And, let’s assume that the part about the raid plans being finalized last week because Al-Baghdadi was preparing to move are accurate. These operations are not planned over a few days. There are a slew of logistical details that have be worked out and assets to be moved into place. If the target moves, all that planning goes to waste, even if you can track the target. And, you are back to square one. So, I don’t see this as being out of the ordinary. How is this supposed to be Trump’s fault, exactly? The military knew the target’s location. It had detailed knowledge of the surroundings. It had the acquiescence of other national actors in the region. It had the assets in position and ready to go. And, it had real-time surveillance in place. Sounds like the timing was right.
If he had driven up to the front door, alone, in a 63 Chevy, jumped out with a Colt 1911 handgun in each hand, shot his way in, killed Baghdadi walked back to his car and drove away, someone would still say that Baghdadi was killed in spite of his efforts.
The announcement of our withdrawal might have either embolden al-Baghdadi or calmed him, convincing him that he could remain safely in his compound for awhile before departing. Who knows?
PDJT was clever in cutting of the subscription, and relegating it to has-been status, along with Bezo’s bad joke of a newspaper.
Sounds like the Times is really telling us that the military has been tracking this miscreant forever but didn’t get off their duffs and attack him for real until forced by the President.
I don’t have a big problem with that.
I don’t know how these people look themselves in the mirror and not vomit
The pussy hats give them an air of whimsy.
I earlierer made the claim that I had done 20 pushups. This is true if you count the last one. In which I collapsed and crawled to the sofa to haul my fat @$$ away from the law of gravity.
I’m counting that as a yes in the cause for “Fu** gravity and the science it rode in on, 7 year ole boys are really girls and not really persons if less than 30 days old.
My skiing experience.
Day zero: sprain ankle in rugby game.
Day one: fall off ski lift.
Day one: ski to bottom of mountain.
Day one: ride lift back to top.
Day one: fall off lift again.
Day one: ski to the bottom of mountain.
Day one: ride lift to top of mountain, crash into tree.
Day 2 through whatever: stay in lodge, drink hot mulled wine.
Day x through forever: F&&* you.
My nephew gifted me with the news he is undergoing his third surgery on his shoulder. Because, rugby.
I’m the rugby playing uncle. I’m screaming, “Stop!”
As we all (and the Times) know, the real hero in this story is Obama. After all, if he had not released the mook from prison, he would not have gone on to such an illustrious career in murder and mayhem over the last decade, so to be honest, Obama should be given a second Nobel Peace Prize for this. Maybe two.
Fake News. The withdrawal was timed to immediately proceed the attack. The ground assets, only 50 in this zone, were to be pulled out so an open fire zone could be created. The Russians and Kurds were informed of what they needed to know. Interestingly enough, the Russians did not tip off the Turks. Assad already despised ISIL and killed them on sight.
I read elsewhere that the US informed the Turks also.
Turkey, Russia, Iraq and Kurds were in on it.
If that doesn’t tell you something about what Trump & Co. think about Nancy and Adam, nothing will. (Or maybe it’s “Hey Ma! Look! Russian collusion!”)
The death of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the Islamic State leader, happened largely in spite of President Trump’s actions, not because of them, according to Larry, Curly and Moe.
Fixed it for them.
Funny, I seem to recall reading a slew of stories at the time of the bin Laden raid, suggesting that it happened despite the president, not because of him, that the order to proceed was given behind his back while he dithered, etc. But I didn’t read any of them in the NYT. OK, maybe those stories had no foundation, were pure speculation motivated by anti-0bama animus, and so didn’t belong in the “newspaper of record”. Fine, I’ll accept that. Now explain how this case is different.
The only way the WaPo will ever be relevant again is they started printing it in 2 ply.
While the SEALs killed OBL BHO did everything possible to benefit politically from his death even at the expense of our country and the war against Al Qaeda.
We captured a lot of intelligence during the raid and could have used it to roll up a lot of Al Qauda fighters. However, BHO prevented us from doing that by refusing to give our intelligence people time to translate and analyze it so out military could use it to capture/kill our enemy.
Trust the NYT? Not hardly. If Trump were to get out of a boat, walk across the water to save a drowning person, the NYT headlines would read “Trump can’t swim!”
The dinosaur media has a new standard for conviction in the United States, it’s called “preponderance of innuendo”. The Dems/Progs are experts at it. The population in general, not so much.
And so the NYT confirms Trump’s wisdom in keeping the inner circle tight. This “informant” was obviously not in the loop or would have leaked something BEFORE the raid and we would have reading about “Trump the idiot warmonger” much earlier.
I’m hoping this provides big clues about who the traitors are in Trump’s inner circle.
The Marxist Stream Media as exemplified by the Slimes, which BTW needs to change its moniker to: All the news that fits our views, especially if Trump it screws.
NYT also exported that Trump’s withdrawal caused a “more dangerous night raid” while neglecting that, when possible, high value targets are usually gone after at night
^ This. There is a list of the actual aircraft used floating around out there… including a AC-130 gunship (or two? I don’t remember.) They are rather large. The thing about and AC-130 (from my military friends — and wikipedia — ) is “its close air support missions are usually flown at night.”
The bin Laden raid was also at night. It’s classic.
Funny how if this detritus were still had been in getmo this would be an issue., Thanks Jug ears the real enemy here.
And now Russia is playing “quid pro quo” games by insisting that Baghdadi isn’t really dead, that Turkey provided his location as a “quid” for the US getting out of Syria being the “quo”. However, a DNA test was immediately conducted onsite on his remains confirming his identity.
Once again, it’s NYT reporting.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/baghdadi-evaded-2-or-3-american-raids-critical-tip-led-his-downfall
The tip reportedly came from one of his wives.
What did he know????
Nothing to a NYT story? Just another day that ends in “Y”.
Sad day for the Dems when the cavalry dusts Abu Bakr – Barry’s – MAC Daddy.
Interesting how the prostitute-propagandists at Pravda Times conveniently omit mention that the only reason the U.S. has been hunting “Islamic scholar” (per Pravda WaPo) al-Baghdadi for years, while he and his merry band of jihadists have been gleefully slaughtering innocents in the most cruel manner possible, is because the sainted Obama — a naive, pathologically egotistical and utterly incompetent fool — released him from prison, in his infinite stupidity.
The only rubes who read the NYT already hate Trump. The rest of us know we’d be better off believing Pinocchio, so, they’re really just wasting their time.
So, their intent was to hedge and second-guess indefinitely, perhaps for years, waiting for a 100% guarantee of success, until the advantage was lost and the operation could be cancelled.
Instead, Trump’s action forced them to move forward with the successful action.
Ooooookay….
Yeah, that does not pass the smell test. First off, the military was not that surprised by Trump’s announcement of the troop pullout, they had been discussing for weeks. Second, the troop’s location was nowhere near the Baghdadi raid, and was done by totally different teams.
As they say in the article, getting Baghdadi was Trump’s highest priority and they briefed him on it regularly. This was not something that just came up at the last minute.
NYT CEO Mark Thompson, former director general BBC, educated at an English catholic public school by Jesuits, Oxford University, a solid member of the MSM neo-Marxist globalist elite.
No surprises. The anti-Trump polemic is a requirement of continuing membership of the guild.
After reading this…..it is so easy to see, “WHY”…The NY Times is losing it’s readership! Biased, one sided, fake news, & horribly slanted….”TYPICAL”…..of liberalism!
Where are Walter Duranty and Jayson Blair when the Times needs them?