North Carolina Democrat Governor Vetoes ‘Born Alive’ Abortion Bill
When does the right to life begin for Democrats?
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. These are some of the unalienable rights bestowed on us by our Creator. Life is the most important right because without it, the other rights don’t matter or exist.
Someone needs to remind North Carolina Democrat Gov. Roy Cooper of these unalienable rights. Cooper vetoed the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which required doctors to save babies who survive abortion.
From The Charlotte Observer:
Cooper announced his decision two days after the General Assembly sent him a measure telling health care practitioners to grant those newborns the same protections as other patients. Those who don’t could face a felony and active prison time, along with fines and potential civil damages.
Cooper’s veto message echoed some comments of abortion-rights supporters opposed to the “born-alive” measure. They also said in committees and floor debate that the legislation was designed to intimidate women and physicians and ultimately chip away at the constitutionally-protected right to an abortion.
“Laws already protect newborn babies and this bill is an unnecessary interference between doctors and their patients,” Cooper wrote. “This needless legislation would criminalize doctors and other health care providers for a practice that simply does not exist.”
What about the baby’s Constitutionally-protected right to life?
Democrats fired back to the criticism that “North Carolina already has laws on the books against infanticide, doctors already are regulated by medical boards and physicians aren’t neglecting these newborns.”
However, the pro-abortion advocates and Democrats also lobbied against the bill because the decision should rest upon the mother and doctor, “including when fetuses have severe medical conditions that would either cause them not to survive birth or result in short, painful lives.”
So if the baby has a “severe medical condition” the baby should suffer and die? Doctors take an oath to care and not harm people.
The North Carolina Values Coalition stated that 25 children in other states survived abortion in 2017. That may seem like a small number, but every life matters. Even just one. North Carolina does not keep track of those who survive abortions.
The CDC has reports that show “more than 140 infant deaths involved induced terminations nationwide from 2003 to 2014,” yet none of them “specified what level of care those newborns received.”
I searched for “North Carolina infanticide laws.” I found one that “defines murder, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, assault inflicting serious bodily injury and assault of an unborn child” unless the baby dies in a miscarriage or abortion. I couldn’t find any others, but if someone comes across one, please let me know!
When does the right to life begin? I used to hold extreme pro-choice views, but science proved to me that life begins at conception.
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So the opponents of the bill are simultaneously saying:
1. We don’t need the bill, infanticide is already illegal, and
2. It is up to the mother and doctor to determine whether or not to kill the baby.
I think that is a symptom of cognitive dissonance, or possibly just leftism in its normal state of illogic.
From the wicked solution to the final solution. Here’s to progress.
What they are saying is that they already have a law they can safely ignore.
Selective-child is a wicked solution.
Is North Carolina so far gone that this veto can’t be over-ridden?
Hopefully not.
Republicans have the majority but not enough for veto proof control. Some dems would have to join them to override it.
Cooper is appalling.
The NC GOP email tells me that only six Democrats voted for this bill — all black, elected in rural districts. Not much chance for override, I’d guess.
And this is why the Dems are hypocrites when they call Republicans cold and heartless.
“Doctors take an oath to care and not harm people.”
Most docs no longer take the Hippocratic Oath.
Got that right…. “Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when asked to do so, nor will I suggest such a course. Similarly I will not give to a woman a pessary to cause abortion.”
Now it is the hypocritic oath. Josef Mengele would have been a Democrat.
Spartan social darwinism.
“including when fetuses have severe medical conditions that would either cause them not to survive birth or result in short, painful lives.”
But not limited to…
“When does the right to life begin for Democrats?”
Giving you my firmly-held, non-snark belief & answer, “When they say it begins.”
That frightening answer has been affirmed by numerous Democrat leaders who have been recently* introducing legislation in several state legislatures trying to enact as law what I have just said. Even birth is not an end point as some of these proposal permit infanticide.
*In anticipation of the USSC deep-sixing Roe v. Wade now that DJT has nominated, and had confirmed, two seats with the prospect of one or two more.
When does life begin? When a person votes for his first Democrat.
Democrats, the party of death.
If only new born babies could vote..then you could guarantee Democrats taking an interest in their health.
Will they keep the baby comfortable before severing the spinal column?
Will they keep the baby comfortable before severing the spinal column?
I thought politicians were supposed to kiss babies? I could say times have changed, but the Democrat (yes, I refuse to call it the Democratic party) Party has historically championed vile causes, so endorsing infanticide is entirely consistent behavior.
Funny how that logic doesn’t apply to anything else Democrats deal with. Both houses of the (R)-controlled NC legislature are close to passing bills for cutting taxes. The (D) governor said he will not support such a thing. Too many tax laws on the books already, right?
Maybe Roy Cooper’s mom should abort him. We’ll call it a late term abortion and let her go free.
Pro-Choice supporters, including Democrats, have created a legal crisis which will someday bite them in the butt.
38 states currently classify the killing of a fetus a homicide, the killing of a human being. 29 of those states apply this to a fetus at ANY stage of development, including fertilization. Now, traditionally, we have allowed the killing of a human being for a couple of reasons. One is in self defense. Another is for certain crimes after adjudication of guilt for those crimes. However, we now have a situation where a woman, who is th mother of the fetal human being has some legal right to terminate the life of that child, in some places for nothing more than a desire to do so. Now, legally, what is the difference in a human being, in the first few weeks of development, and a human being a few years after conception? The answer is little or nothing. So, if a mother can kill a human being developing within her body, why can’t she do the same to her four or five year old child? Why, logically, she can. This can be expanded to encompass a human being at any age. Mothers should be legally entitled to kill their child at any age.
What this does is create a situation which is unsupportable. It essentially undermines one of the most important foundations of Western society, the tenet that one human being may not abort the life of another human being without a certain overwhelmingly pressing need. Once you can legally terminate the life of another, based solely upon desire and familial relationship. then you can do the same thing without the familial relationship.
“Ye shall be as gods.”
Cooper paraded himself as a moderate Democrat in his run against Pat McCrory in 2016. If this is moderate, God help us if we get a hard-core leftist in NC. One more entry into the journal of “you can’t trust one thing the Democrat Party tells you.”
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The law says that Health-Care Practitioners must “Ensure that the child born alive is immediately transported and admitted to a hospital.” That may not make sense for a fetus that is before term or has a baby with a terminal condition.
All babies have a terminal condition. For some it takes 86 years to succumb . Once you become a “burden” on the state Zach you will be just as vulnerable in your brave New world. Who knows….being an inconvenience may move things along quicker as society treats its ills with the 100% cure.
alaskabob: All babies have a terminal condition. For some it takes 86 years to succumb .
Semantics is not a valid argument to a substantive point. The fact is that some babies will not survive long, such as a baby with a serious defect at 16 weeks gestation, and prolonging life through modern medicine may serve only to prolong suffering.
Which is what a trial for murder will establish. Was the doctor’s homicide justifiable?
SDN: Which is what a trial for murder will establish.
It doesn’t take a court trial to know that a fetus at 16 weeks is not viable. The bill requires hospitalization, even for non-viable fetuses. This is merely an attempt to make the process of obtaining an abortion more difficult.