Migrant Caravan still careening through Mexico toward US border
Why doesn’t Mexico just accept them?
Over the weekend, Fuzzy blogged about a caravan of hundreds of Central Americans crossing over into Mexico in an attempt to cross America’s border. The people want to apply for asylum or slip into the country illegally.
At first, Mexico didn’t do anything to stop them, but officials decided late Monday night to disband the caravan. The government will allow disabled people and pregnant women to stay. The others must leave.
BuzzFeed reporter Adolfo Flores is with the group:
Another organizer, Alex Mensing, called the Mexican action a victory for the caravan, saying organizers had successfully persuaded the Mexican government to allow caravan members to apply for asylum in the United States and Mexico.
“Don’t be fooled, the government isn’t ‘disbanding’ it, it’s conceding its participants’ right to apply for asylum without traveling in the shadows,” he said.
Still, hundreds of the migrants are expected to accept Mexico’s offer to allow the most vulnerable among them to stay. A federal delegate with INM who gave only his last name, Rodríguez, told BuzzFeed News that humanitarian visas would go to vulnerable groups such as pregnant women, people with disabilities, or people with chronic illnesses like HIV.
Everyone else will have to petition the Mexican government to stay in the country or they will be ordered to leave, he said.
Those who do not receive the humanitarian visa have to leave Mexico in ten days. They can also ask for permission to stay for 30 days:
Irineo Mujica, director of Pueblo Sin Fronteras, said he expects about one-third of the migrants, if not more, will choose to stay in Mexico.
“I hope a large majority decide to stay in Mexico now that we’ve seen the reaction from hate groups in the United States,” Mujica told BuzzFeed News.
Interesting. I love how Mujica mentions these “hate groups” in America, but doesn’t mention the fact that Mexico is not allowing everyone to stay. After all:
The Mexican Secretariat of the Interior (SEGOB) said it had already deported 400 migrants who were a part of the caravan.
“Under no circumstances will the government of Mexico promote irregular migration,” SEGOB said in a statement.
Mexico has been detaining and deporting thousands of migrants for years.
According to a recent report, in January and February Mexican immigration authorities deported 16,278 people.
How much do you want to bet that America will receive all the backlash if we deport the same amount of people from this caravan? So Mexico can have tough immigration policies, but America can’t?
Officials believe that the people in the caravan will rely on the “catch and release” policy. Border Patrol union leader Brandon Judd told Fox News:
“First off, you have got a Mexican government entity that is assisting these individuals that are coming up to the United States,” Judd told “Fox & Friends.” “These individuals do not have passports or legal documents to be in Mexico, yet you got an agency that’s helping them get to our [U.S.] border.”
Judd said border patrol agents do not have the ability to stop the migrants at the border even if they only step one foot on U.S. soil.
“Once they [the migrants] enter the country, even if we [border patrol agents] are standing at the border with our hands out saying, ‘Don’t enter, don’t enter,’ all they have to do is cross one foot into the border and we have to take them into custody,” Judd said. “If they ask for asylum or say I fear to go back to my country, then we have to process them under ‘credible fear’ which allows them to be released into our country.”
If anything, this caravan will cause more headaches for our authorities and lawmakers, who have struggled to reach an agreement on immigration. It’s already caused President Donald Trump to angrily react, which has shown me that it’s pushed him away from a compromise. He also noted Mexico’s tough immigration and border laws:
Border Patrol Agents are not allowed to properly do their job at the Border because of ridiculous liberal (Democrat) laws like Catch & Release. Getting more dangerous. “Caravans” coming. Republicans must go to Nuclear Option to pass tough laws NOW. NO MORE DACA DEAL!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 1, 2018
Mexico has the absolute power not to let these large “Caravans” of people enter their country. They must stop them at their Northern Border, which they can do because their border laws work, not allow them to pass through into our country, which has no effective border laws…..
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 2, 2018
…Congress must immediately pass Border Legislation, use Nuclear Option if necessary, to stop the massive inflow of Drugs and People. Border Patrol Agents (and ICE) are GREAT, but the weak Dem laws don’t allow them to do their job. Act now Congress, our country is being stolen!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 2, 2018
DACA is dead because the Democrats didn’t care or act, and now everyone wants to get onto the DACA bandwagon… No longer works. Must build Wall and secure our borders with proper Border legislation. Democrats want No Borders, hence drugs and crime!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 2, 2018
Mexico is making a fortune on NAFTA…They have very strong border laws – ours are pathetic. With all of the money they make from the U.S., hopefully they will stop people from coming through their country and into ours, at least until Congress changes our immigration laws!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 2, 2018
Honduras, Mexico and many other countries that the U.S. is very generous to, sends many of their people to our country through our WEAK IMMIGRATION POLICIES. Caravans are heading here. Must pass tough laws and build the WALL. Democrats allow open borders, drugs and crime!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 3, 2018
The big Caravan of People from Honduras, now coming across Mexico and heading to our “Weak Laws” Border, had better be stopped before it gets there. Cash cow NAFTA is in play, as is foreign aid to Honduras and the countries that allow this to happen. Congress MUST ACT NOW!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 3, 2018
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… which has shown me that it’s pushed him away from a compromise.
Uh-huh. Never let a good crisis go to waste.
Lookee at what’s really going on. (Bad News Mexico – you’re gonna lose on this too!)
“Two Examples of Mexican Government Officials Blackmailing U.S. by Threatening Flood of South American Immigrants…”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/04/02/two-examples-of-mexican-government-officials-blackmailing-u-s-by-threatening-flood-of-south-american-immigrants/
Man, Trump could make a public relations coup by sending some troops down there. Also, to detractors he could make the point, “What else could I do? I don’t have my wall.”
A couple of A-10s would solve this border jumping issue.
Anything that let’s me see A-10s in action is OK by me.
Including seeing A-10s shoot up your own family? Good God, man: we’re Americans, not Einsatzgruppen.
You don’t know my family.
No, I don’t. But posts treat using A-10s against illegals as a joking matter give reason to believe that the accusations levied against conservatives by Antifa and Resist might have some basis in fact.
I’ve done a lot of work over the years near Grissom AFB.
Used to love it when the A-10s would target my machines and give me fly-bys close enough to see the pilots helmet
I realize that people are just venting here, fine, but no, we seriously do not want to use A-10s to police our border.
Build the wall. Enforce the wall. Enforce the law. Give the Border Patrol the tools they need. Shut down employers who employ illegals (and thus keep Americans from working). That’s how you do it.
Good gravy, we don’t want or need a bloodbath at our border.
A-10’s are only deployed against groups of more than a hundred who line up along the road. Too expensive otherwise.
Seriously, they’d do less damage long term if they were invaders with AK’s and nothing but military age men. We’d deploy the army against them and nobody would try invading again. Even with a children’s crusade.
Here’s where the literally insane ranting of the other day will be either justified or not.
If these people were “Gaza 2” as one usually sane commenter asserted, they will push on.
If they were refugees, they won’t. They will accept asylum where they can find it.
You ignore the third possibility, that the spokespeople cited in the previous post were telling the truth — that these are neither honest refugees nor Gaza II, but rather an unorganized random set of people each of whose goal is to sneak into the USA however they can. Thus they will neither accept asylum in Mexico nor storm the border, but rather break up when they get close to the border and each make their own attempt to cross it in secret.
They have backing by a cohesive group promoting open borders… this is not spontaneous in my eyes but planned. From Hunt for Red October… what’s their plan… leftists don’t take a dump without a plan.
You used the correct word: “Backing”. They do not belong to this group, they do not necessarily share its goals, and it did not organize them to leave their homes and set out on this trip. They’re unrelated people who’ve individually decided to seek their fortunes in the USA, and this group is backing them for its own purposes. And this group itself has said that it is not interested in a confrontation (which it would surely lose), but in having these people each sneak in silently and peacefully.
So while we should certainly prepare for a confrontation if one should happen, we should not expect it. As for stopping their silent entry, all we can do is what we’re already doing; until a fence is built it will be impossible to stop all border crossings, because the border is too long for that and we don’t know where and each of them will choose to cross.
“…until a fence is built it will be impossible to stop all border crossings, because the border is too long for that and we don’t know where and each of them will choose to cross.”
Change “until” to “whenever”. There’s no chance a good barrier would stop “all border crossings”. Nobody sane claims that it would.
“…this group…did not organize them to leave their homes and set out on this trip.”
That is an assertion of fact without evidence. You do not know that the “open borders” group did not encourage people to form a group of marchers and attempt to gain entrance to the US. For all we know, the open borders bunch put out some sort of advertising for people to start the trip and then more people joined in, growing the marcher’s numbers from that point on.
You ignored the fourth possibility; some are genuine (they feel) refugees who will seek protection in the U.S.
Which is legal. Up to a point…
That’s not a fourth possibility, it’s the first one you originally suggested.
The open borders bunch is openly stating (no pun) that they are advising these people on how to apply for asylum and what to say about the legally required terms which would at least get them to the application state of the asylum process. It is far more likely than not that people from Honduras are fleeing poverty, not political vengeance. We should not be considering even accepting a claim for asylum for poor people obviously fleeing poverty.
Well…. as of this morning members of the “caravan” have issued demands and threatened violence while Trump is moving troops to the border.
I should have said “Gaza Lite” as there are big differences… for now. Gaza protestors want to take over the country, displace and/or kill Israelis, and destroy the state of Israel backed by lethal militant forces.
But….
The “caravan” is supported by people who want to flood the country, draw down its financial resources, with numbers that will disrupt the cohesiveness of American society and lead to regional fragmentation. Fringes of the group do want to displace citizens and make areas of America “Spanish again”, “Native American again” and diminish western Civ foundation of the country. There are strains of jealousy , envy and revenge mixed in but not primary.
That both this “caravan” and Gaza are roughly at the same time jsut suggest an “international” flavor to the planning.
As to Gaza II or Gaza Lite… we shall see.
I’m not particularly conservative, but I value this site for its principled upholding of the rule of law, and for the informative discussions thereof in the comments. I’d very much like to recommend this site to other non-conservatives. Posts like yours are one of the reasons why I seldom do so.
This was a reply to OldNuc‘s post “A couple of A-10s would solve this border jumping issue.”
Thank you for the clarification. I was wondering what in Ms. Chastain’s article merited that response.
OTOH, I took the A-10 comment as either “venting”, or simply an attempt at being semi-humorous. I don’t think he really would want to see A-10s attack a crowd with (reportedly) the disabled, women and children. OTOH, we should be able to reasonably decide the disabled are not coming for the work, but the welfare.
The proper response to moonmoth is the one popularized by the Instapundit:
“Sod off, swampy!”
Why the viciousness here, Doc.
Moonmoth occasionally posts here. In no instance has he acted in the role of a troll.
Assume he meant just what he said. There’s no harm in that, and you tacitly agree with him in your post WRT A-10s.
So why?
Sod off is vicious? Who knew. Wonder what terms we should use for some of the threats of personal violence we see from the Left (and some allegedly on “our side”) on other sites.
Moonmoth, glad you don’t. So called “progressives” have not only made the word progressive vile, the usual comments made by progressives toward others on sites are disgusting.
Comment at Huff and the NYT
That’s a great formula for maintaining your bubble.
It sucks as a way to invite people to the Prof.’s site.
@gonzotx When the regulars here keep their heads on the subject of maintaining Rule of Law, they can eviscerate any argument I’ve ever heard from the Progressives. It’s comments like OldNuc’s that make this site’s advocacy of Rule of Law look like a fig leaf for hiding real intentions that are of quite a different stripe.
https://youtu.be/arb_YCZgra8
You may want to watch this mob of illegals rushing the border
I’ve already emphasized that Legal Insurrection’s upholding of the Rule of Law is one of the main reasons why I esteem this site, so what is the relevance of that video to anything that I said? Unless you’ve posted it to join OldNuc in advocating use of A-10s.
this ‘caravan’ is a TEST case. if we fail the test then we will be overrun by ‘asylum seekers’ and we lose our country at a faster pace than is already happening.
the left’s quoting the poem on statue of liberty is not pertinent any longer.
at the time of the poem we were still primarily a rural and begging industrialize economy needing willing hands.
we are now in an advanced economy needing engineering skills.
Sorry meant up vote
As you know… the poem was added later and not part of the original concept and gifting of the statue. Another progressive reassignment of history.
Probably stuck on by Democrats at taxpayer expense.
Absolutely correct. If we let this caravan in, there will be much larger caravans headed to the US on a regular basis. Then at c=some point these illegal aliens will outnumber US citizens.
When I read Mexico will do such and such…I respond trust little, verify much. Build the wall.
I’ll be waiting ’till the migrant train is ‘rushing headlong’ past Escondido with reckless abandon before raising the alarm.
/sombrero nap
“Careening”? Isn’t that word just a bit sensationalistic? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/careening.
I like “implacably advancing” myself. All the drama and none of the sense of being out of control.
“Including seeing A-10s shoot up your own family? Good God, man: we’re Americans”
And when the illegal immigrants rape and murder his family, where will you be? “Oh my that’s too bad…’
A baseless accusation. Did you notice where I said that I’m for Rule of Law? What — except for blind, irrational hatred — could explain your extrapolation from “I object to the idea of using A-10s against caravans of illegals” to thinking that I’m soft on illegals who commit crimes here?
You can’t have a rule of law or indeed a country without a border. We’ve nearly lost it now. We are decades if not short years from the final tipping point.
Then there will be blood. It will be on the hands of everyone who not only aided and encouraged this but on those who restrained the only effective measures.
If this continues it will end bloody. Own that or get out of the way.
Let’s take a look at what Mexico did here. Up until yesterday, the Mexican government was actually facilitating the travel to Estedos Unidos, of 1200 mostly Honduran migrants. Then something happened. What? The very public backlash at the immigrants, the Los Estados Unidos de Mexico and the US Congress, all led by DJT. Suddenly, Mexico just might be losing any chance at any favorable NAFTA terms. A public backlash could very possibly force the Congress to seriously fund the wall, or face defeat in the midterm elections. This would not only make it much harder to smuggle people across the border, but make it much harder to smuggle drugs across the border, increasing the cost to the drug cartels which literally own Mexico. And, if it stimulates an internal crackdown on illegal aliens, particularly Mexicans, living in the US, this not only dumps these people back into the Mexican economy but would cut off a significant source of revenue in remittances.
It is all about the economics of the situation. 1200 illegal immigrants are just a drop in the bucket, where US illegal immigration is concerned. And, Mexico can easily say that they are going to grant asylum to any number of people. They will simply round them up and ship them back across their southern border or try to slip them across their norther border in a month or so.
But, do not lose sight of the fact that this situation would have been a huge win for Trump, if these people had stormed into the US. We would see the completion of the wall before election day, if that had happened. This was all just simian posturing by Mexico. Nothing more.
I’ve all but given up thinking that the Republican Leadership wants to stay in the Majority
With their sweetheart deals and leftist inner feelings most of the gope feel far more at home with the Kennedy’s our Clintons than Joe America.
Personally, I am heartened to hear that President Trump is using the term invasion and is directing General Mattis to handle the situation. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/03/us/politics/trump-border-immigration-caravan.html
Lots of freedom loving citizens of Mexico would love to be rid of their corrupt governments.
“….Mexico’s Version of Hugo Chavez is Holding 18 Point Lead In Election Polling…”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/04/02/lucky-day-lucky-day-mexicos-version-of-hugo-chavez-is-holding-18-point-lead-in-election-polling/
But of course that is the VILE, WRONG way to solve it.
As a Democrat, do you still lend your support to the party which openly supports this invasion?
Enough with the nasty juvenile fantasies.
A military force on the border will do nothing to stop refugees. It would be purely for show. Regular military will simply not shoot at obviously unarmed civilians. Not even the Germans in Russia could get Herres or Luftwaffe soldiers to do that. Schutzstaffel, maybe, but not reliably. That’s why they needed dedicated Einsatzgruppen to do it.
The US Army does not have Einsatzgruppen. Neither does the Texas National Guard. And, if given the opportunity, I’d vote to keep it that way.
WE know that…. The military let US troops get killed by not letting sentries have loaded guns. But a “show of force” and physical blockade is the order of the day. As mentioned above, this is a probe for intent and to gain UN/World sympathy. Just because most of West Civ believes in slow suicide is no reason to join in.
It is just a show of force, like moving a carrier off the coast of some troublesome country.
One interesting thing might be to further Trump’s claim of using military funding for the wall from when the budget passed.
You can argue that military spending on a wall is a budgeting trick if the military has nothing to do with the border. However if the military is on the border, that argument is gone.
I’d like to know who is providing the money, the organization, the public relations and press, etc. for this little exposition.
The third world dullards in the procession have a problem with seeking asylum in the US under the first destination doctrine of asylum. Mexico is the first destination that is a friendly/safe country in which they arrived and that could offer asylum.
Soros
Concern Troll: “I’ve already emphasized that Legal Insurrection’s upholding of the Rule of Law is one of the main reasons why I esteem this site, ”
Then you’ll be happy to learn that the President of the United States has just ordered the military to the Border (Drudge).
How quick you are to call people who present an honest, but not echo-chamber view, names.
Did moonmoth say anything to hurt your snowflake fweewings…???
If so, I didn’t see anything that threatened a rational poster.
What is your basis for calling me a “concern troll”? I don’t know whether it’s possible for other participants to consult my previous posts, but if you do so, you’ll find that upholding of the Rule of Law has been my consistent position here. I’ve been especially critical of Trump and the DOJ for not indicting Hillary and Comey.
Does my consistent emphasis upon upholding the law now count for nothing, just because I think that posts that advocate (even as a joke) the use of A-10s against illegals are offensive, as well as destructive to the public image of Tea Partiers?
Also, your attempt to silence speech by offering the Professor glass beads is transparent. He is not a whore.
Wows. How quick you are to impute the worst possible motives to people who are not in lock-step with you and your tribe.
It’s almost like you can’t deal with anything but the party line.
And no one, no one is more familiar with imputing the worst possible motives to people than Ragspierre…
Except you, Doc.
Name a for instance…
“Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty” – Thomas Jefferson
“Damn straight, you metrosexual primadonna!” – John Adams
Rush, amid a lot of blather today, had the correct take here.
The “caravan” is merely a more coherent iteration of the same thing that happens about this time every year.
The difference being that this time it has been organized and co-opted by a bunch of Collectivists. Their “demands” including all kinds of nonsense about LBQT, etc. The people on the march don’t care about any of that. Most of them are likely religiously opposed to all that, in fact.
AS to them being “illegals” if they are from Honduras or Ecuador, they would not be treated that way just by entering the country. Mexicans can be. Others have to have some due process to consider their claims. It’s the law, and it sucks.
Which is ONE of the MANY reasons many of us have been advocating a major overhaul of the immigration laws for decades.
We need to stop providing government aid to noncitizens.
Here’s something to consider that I was pondering during the paroxysm of “belt-fed machine guns” and “mortar rounds” a few hours back…
Gandhi’s Salt March.
Now, the two situations are not analogous. Not by by any stretch.
But the point is that the Brits knew that using deadly…or even less-than-deadly-force…on unarmed people would never be supported by the British public.
There are some parallels and some significant differences. They were both “organized”, but a HUGE difference was in the organizer, and what they intended. Every Salt Marcher was very aware of what they were doing and why, and they were led by Gandhi, not some band of Collectivists co-opting the deal. There wasn’t a mass of people each with their own hopes…or even evil intent. Here, we can assume that their may be.
Now, here we have options that don’t involve “mowing them down”, or even beating them if they were offering no resistance.
I can’t think of a faster way to get Duh Donald impeached than what many were chest-beating about the other day, advocating on the thread on the subject.
I don’t believe President Trump follows the comments on LI for a plan of action. He will probably ask General Maddox for his input.
Well … the president of Mexico doesn’t want our military on our border.
@President Enrique Peña Nieto … neither do we want your drug wars in your cities on our border … or your drug dealers coming into our country via tunnels under the border or via any other way … or your own citizens bum rushing our border and demanding rights based on nothing but their presence. The way I figure it if we put our military on the border you’re still getting a good deal and you’re lucky we don’t ghost every body that enters America illegally.
“Why doesn’t Mexico just accept them?”
Why would they want to stay in Mexico?
Just like the economic migrants, posing as “refugees”, that have invaded Europe: Their goal is the country with the most liberal welfare policies.
This is nothing new, btw: This is year 8 of the same group organizing the same type of invasion.
The only thing different is that Trump is now POTUS and there’s a chance this particular wave of invaders will get turned back.
Obama was so concerned over this, that not only did he ensure they crossed the border unimpeded and were not sent home, but he actually created a policy where our federal government flew to various Central American countries to pick up anyone that wanted to illegally immigrate to the US, and fly them directly here. To “save” them from the dangers of the journey through Mexico and across our southern border.
That policy resulted in thousands (at least – probably tens of thousands) of illegal aliens being flown directly from their nation of origin into the interior of the US. At our taxpayer expense, organized by our own government, which then paid to settle them with families – often of illegal aliens themselves – and the children immediately sent to our schools.
Result of that was that many diseases, including deadly ones like Enterovirus D68, were spread to US children. Some of whom died.
Rags: “Wows. How quick you are to impute the worst possible motives to people who are not in lock-step with you and your tribe”
Not at all. In fact I have a very pleasant conversations with people who voted for Hillary and despise Trump. You can always learn something from your opponent + and the more you listen to their criticisms, the more likely you can adapt and even self-correct when possible.
We saw this on the flip side last election. The left has completely shut us out of the public debate and so they had no idea what the rest of America was thinking. It caught them flat-footed. You can watch the election night coverage as they go from smug to Shell Shocked in the course of five hours.
And we can even learn from that mistake. I have been in their place before and have no intention of repeating that horrible nightmare. So I am the very last person that will shut down anyone who isn’t in a hundred percent agreement with me.
I have also been dealing with trolls for about 30 years. I know the games I know the plays. This is the typical “I can make you popular if you punish those commenters who”s speech I dislike”. I’ve seen it in a dozen iterations.
Like the police officer pulls over a driver that plays the “my wallet with ID was stolen” gambit. He thinks he’s being clever, he doesn’t realize that 12 people already played that move with me today. Nine times out of 10 I’m going to search his car and find his wallet what does IG under the driver seat. While you pretend to be outraged.
I have also been dealing with trolls for about 30 years. I know the games I know the plays. This is the typical “I can make you popular if you punish those commenters who”s speech I dislike”.”
Wow. Nowhere did I say anything about punishing the poster who talked about using A-10s against illegal immigrants, and I certainly didn’t promise to make this site popular. Moreover, your “troll detector” needs calibration. I’ve been an active supporter of the 2nd Amendment for decades; I directed liberals to this site during the George Zimmerman trial to read why he should never have been put on trial in the first place; and I post elsewhere that Hillary, Obama, Comey, and several others should be tried for treason. But because I object to people posting comments about sending A-10s after illegals, I’m now scum here.
Good lord. Some guy made an offhand remark about how a few A-10s attacking the mob brushing our border
An “offhand remark” with which you appear to be very much in sympathy, since you also said,
Killing people who are illegally crossing the border would create an object lesson that would halt millions more invaders in their tracks. I agree it’s worse case scenario, but is it on the table as a last resort?
Off-the-wall reactions like yours give reason to believe that Antifa’s justifications for its actions are not entirely without foundation.
And here it is. Your actual motivation and means. You’re a concern troll, pure, plain, and simple. And now that we know that nothing else need be written or said.
“And here it is. Your actual motivation and means.”
What would that be? His motivation to not read posters joyously talking about mass murder? The means being responding to these idiots and telling them the site would be better if the posters didn’t say such crap?
Guess I am a concern troll too.
“Golly Gee Professor, I have all these legal expert friends that would love to give you traffic, but they don’t read your site because Ragspierre is always hijacking the thread… If only he were gone. ”
I mean seriously if a comment offends you scroll by it. Good lord. Some guy made an offhand remark about how a few A-10s attacking the mob brushing our border would put a sudden halt to this nonsense. I read it as someone venting frustration at our impotence as wave after wave of illegal immigrants invade our country.
If that makes you clutch your pearls and dive for the fainting couch, maybe you should take your ink over to NRO and join their lament that Churchill’s drunken sexist taunts from the back bench are garish and uncouth. “We prefer that Chamberlain chap! He’s such a gentleman!”
Okay sorry for the rant. I may be overreacting because I am still sick and tired of “conservatives” who are more concerned with “tone” than Liberty. It’s false and it’s cowardice masquerading as class.
“Does my consistent emphasis upon upholding the law now count for nothing, just because I think that posts that advocate (even as a joke) the use of A-10s against illegals are offensive, as well as destructive to the public image of Tea Partiers?”
No. Your emphasis on upholding the rule of law counts more than anything here to me. I think you’re being idealistic but I respect your faith in it, because I was once like you and I know where you’re coming from.
I would only ask you this – is there a line that can’t be crossed for you? If your Legal Insurrection fails, will you violate the law to save the Republic? Or will you simply let them take it?
There’s not a wrong answer here as far as I’m concerned I just want to know what kind of Americans I’m sitting around the campfire with.
Killing people who are illegally crossing the border would create an object lesson that would halt millions more invaders in their tracks. I agree it’s worse case scenario, but is it on the table as a last resort? Or would you take it off the table even if it meant what happened to Germany happened to us?
Is the Rule of Law a suicide pact?
For a government? Yes, it is. Because to the extent that a government abandons the rule of law it forfeits the right to exist.
As for the Tea Partiers, they were the nicest most civil most patriotic salt-of-the-earth Americans in the country.
These traits were rewarded with betrayal by their own party and demonization by the left.
You are concerned about their reputation? The current political culture views them as ignorant racist homophobic redneck hicks sleeping with their sisters in their double wide while they dream of nuking Mecca.
I know that’s not fair. They did everything right and they played by the rules. But they were up against Marxists. They brought a petition to a gunfight.
How many more of our good people have to be destroyed before we learn this isn’t Debate Club? Because we are starting to run out. And the ones left aren’t real keen on being sacrificed just to maintain the high ground.
Does Trump make you nervous? The reason he is there is because the conservative political class was either too corrupt or too timid for good people to trust
I’m sorry to be so short with you, but it’s like we’re making a Last Stand of The Republic, outnumbered and surrounded on all sides by the Marxist Left, the Establishment GOP, the Universities, the Media and the Deep State Bureaucracy… and you are concerned about decorum.
I’m imagining a British Officer chastising his soldiers to maintain rank and file as they are decimated by snipers in the treeline. It’s very frustrating.
If Trump really wants to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it he should consider a tax or service fee on all the money being sent down there. Then use the proceeds only for the wall.
We may have to wake up Congress or boot them out of office to get what WE need not their financial backers.