#SchumerShutdown #DACAshutdown
Shutdown over DACA coming.
UPDATE: A cloture vote to end debate in the Senate on the funding bill passed by the House failed. So we’re heading to “shutdown” unless there is a last minute deal reached.
As a reminder of how Obama weaponized the 2013 shutdown, see my post Flashback to when Obama weaponized 2013 government shutdown.
60 votes were needed, and it fell 10 short. 5 Democrats voted Yes: Donnelly, Heitkamp, Manchin, Jones, McCaskill. 4 Republicans voted No: Graham, Paul, Lee, Flake.
McConnell also will vote No, but only for for procedural reasons, as Chad Pergram explained:
McConnell will likely vote NO, opposing ending debate on House passed CR. He will want to call for a revote. And one must be on the “prevailing” side of the vote to do so. In this case, the “noes.” McConnell supports ending debate. But needs to preserve this parliamentary option
This is not the look Democrats wanted, the home page of the NY Times pinning the blame on Democrats:
But several Republicans voting No also gave WaPo the chance to portray opposition as bipartisan. Republicans really are the stupid messaging party – knowing the vote would fail anyway, Graham, Paul, Lee, and Flake could have voted Yes for the political optics. This was only a cloture vote, and it’s common for Senators to vote to end debate yet vote against the bill on the substantive vote.
The White House issued this statement:
Trump tweeted early this morning:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/954674157144477696
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/954678287820902401
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/954680914998648833
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/954722155463430145
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Before the vote:
The latest, as of this post going live, was that there is no deal for short-term funding of the government. A a cloture vote will take place in the Senate at approximately 10 p.m. on whether to accept the House one-month funding bill that passed last night.
The core of the dispute is DACA. The Democrat base demands that DACA participants be legalized and naturalized as citizens, without any increased immigration enforcement to prevent DACA II, DACA III and so on. That’s the problem with amnesty – no one believes it’s the last time, and there is a huge incentive for people to violate the law figuring it will be forgiven down the road.
There have been panic moments when it is feared Chuck Schumer will pull a fast one over on Trump, but so far that has not happened. So here we are.
Schumer and Democrats are in a panic now the shutdown is approaching. They bragged about how they would do it, but like the proverbial dog that catches the car, now that they’ve caught it, they don’t know what to do with it.
As Republicans found out in 2013, most people don’t like their government shut down, not even a little bit. Democrats right now are the party of shutting down the government.
Of course, the shutdown is not really a shutdown, it’s more like a scale back. But nevermind, Democrats bit off more than they can chew this time. The question is, will Republicans make them choke on it, or provide a face-saving way out for Schumer and crew.
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‘Manchin says group of 15 bipartisan senators now mtg to discuss path out of possible shutdown’.
Literally the first thing that springs to my mind is a shyster used car salesman who first demands twice what a car is worth and then says ‘I have to go talk to my boss’ to come down on the price.
Lol very funny
Yo Olinser:
Where did you get that info?
I wanna read it!
Thanks!
Good cop/bad cop?
Shut it down! Shut it down!
Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!
Such drama! And yet still only a minor portion of federal govt. “non-essential” activities. Plus only temporary; everyone made whole once the “bipartisan, common-sense, consensus” is ultimately agreed to.
Fraudulent beltway #RulingClass theater. Again.
Release The Memo
That is the bottom line, isnt it.
Everything else is b.s. when those two treasonous rats obama and klinton – and their confederates – are running free.
Ryan is at his own rino rat crossroads. We’ll soon find out if he too is a fake oath-taker and betrayer of our country.
There should be no deal.
I could be wrong, but I think this is a very good opportunity for the GOP and for Trump. If Democrats shut down the government over amnesty, that will be a nail to keep hammering until 2020.
I am not sure the GOP will do it, being the GOP and all, but Trump will keep reminding us for the rest of eternity.
Republicans are afraid, this harkens back to the 90’s shut down where Republicans were hammered in the Press for the shut down, and even though it didn’t change voting according to polling, the Republicans believed it did… the GOPe is very good at shooting themselves in the foot.
Not so much shooting themselved in the foot as it is selling out our country for the right price.
There is a world of difference. Dont give the rats of the GOPe that kind of pass. Kind of like the SS troops saying, ‘I was just following orders’ – as their sentence was handed down.
Hand the GOPe its death sentence and be done with them before they re-infest, like the vermin they are.
The Republicans are always afraid. Too afraid of of being called names by the media TO DO THEIR D*MN JOBS.
Schumer always has Patty Murray in the background when he’s on camera. Is that to make him look intelligent by contrast?
Hey! That’s my senator! She may be the 100th smartest senator (despite some tough competition for that illustrious spot) but she still pretends to represent WA State.
She and Mazie Hirano have tied at checkers 5 times running. This was after they each won 5 games of Tic Tac Toe against each other.
This really highlights media hypocrisy.
Obama got a press pass for the shutdown of his presidency when the Congress passed bill after bill that he vetoed.
Trump hasn’t even gotten a bill yet that he wants to sign and roughly half of Congress is voting in favor of but somehow it’s his fault or GOP’s fault.
Schumer is a corrupt clown. His life started in corruption when he was employed in high school by the publisher/consultant of the SATs and stole the answers (and still could not manage a perfect score) until his sleezy rise in politics.
This shut down will be different. We don’t care. We just don’t want anyone but active workers to be paid. Those that stay home can have their unpaid vacation.
Except it won’t be ‘unpaid’ – they’ll get all their back pay once the shutdown ends. Hey, shutdown wasn’t their fault.
Of course, Senators & Congressmen ‘should’ be unpaid, because it is their fault, but…
Let the Donks shut it down, I say. Stand on principle. I want to see how the Democrats own it this time. I do not think the MSM will be able to pin this one on the GOP…. for the first time in my life… We have a fighter in the oval office… who is beholden to no special interests AND has twitter… and a State of the Union speech coming up. #MAGA # Releasethememo
Mitch fails… again
Dems pick ILLEGALS over USA MILITARY
McConnell didnt didnt fail. Anything to weaken us (we are Trump) and out us back in our place is a win for him. The GOPe scumbag has been getting away with it for 33 years.
Want more?
Democrats cleared any and all doubts about their priorities.
And so did those 4 RINOS.
Is Paul a Democrat Republican though? While I think his vote was on the dumb ass side I don’t think he is a Democrat Republican of the same kind of order as Flake, McCain and the other fucking idiots.
He could. But he is one of the few Congress with ANY integrity.
What difference at this point does it make?
Shutdown Chucky wants people to die. Sneaky Dianne said so.
Patty Murray D-Seattle voted “Moo” to please her bovine supporters.
I wonder how well the swamp Critters will fight when 90% of their staff is at home twiddling their thumbs.
Shut it down. Then leave it that way for 12 months at least.
This must be known as a #DemocratShutdown, not just a #SchumerShutdown or #DACAShutdown.
Most people don’t know who Schumer is, let alone that he is a Democrat from NY. And it is over all immigration, not just DACA – although it is indeed putting 800,000 illegals above US citizens who are affected by the shutdown.
I read that the NYT and AP are calling it a Democrat shutdown. Amazing that they are actually reporting the truth!
#DemocratDenial
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#ObamaSpied
#ClintonColluded
we already have #DNCDenied the nomination to the Jew
#SheKnew
#SheProgressed
#WhyNow
#FeministFolly
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#BLM = Baby Lives Matter
I think that 800,000 figure is misinformation. It refers to illegal aliens who actually signed up for DACA. I heard that the actual number of people aka “dreamers” that would be looking at some kind of amnesty is in the millions. Then count their family members, aunts, uncles and cousins… The total is shocking..Democrats know this very well. They are counting on it.
Mark Levine noted the number of 3.6 million and with full chain migration…worst case is total of 72 million new citizens of the USSA. Think “English as a forgotten language”
This is much like Saddam Hussein setting fire to his oil fields. Once that card is played, he doesn’t hold much of a hand.
So what’s Shutdown Schumer’s next trick?
Schumer has no tricks. He just takes marching orders from leftist fascists at harvard, via the ny times.
Harvard? No, look to Soros if you want to see the puppet master.
Reservists and National Guardsmen still report for drill this weekend, to be told the government is shutdown and then sent home. Federal employees report on Monday morning for the same thing. Where is the sanity when the insane pull a stunt like this?
Wait, We were told by the LI Nevertrumper – “toldja”, that Trump would be giving amnesty…
And here we are, Trump standing firm on his conditions for DACA legislation.
Re: Barry
The problem is, Trump will say ALL kinds of things, so I have been extraordinarily concerned about what he’ll do.
After all, he talked shut down in September to get the Wall. I think the hurricanes derailed that. Bad timing to have a shut down.
While Trump can be more trusted than the GOPe, he’s commented many times he wants to help DACA, which as was said is 800,000 that signed up. Without an end to chain migration, that will mean millions more.
The proposal I heard was for work permit and no path to citizenship. I still do not understand how with 72% of DACA illegals on government assistance there are still ridiculous tales of the value of these illegals to the USA’s economy. These DACA illegals should be stripped of govt. assistance and fully sponsored by their employers, NGO/DNC human traffickers & non-government dependent relatives or denied residence and deported.
Does govt. shutdown mean that the court ordered continuation and application renewal of the unconstitutional DACA illegal immigrant program shutdown as well?
Going into the negotiations, the Republicans had a plan. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell had a plan: A continuing resolution with CHIP fully funded and no DACA extension. It was an easy political victory. Fund the government and make the Democrats make the hard choice: Are children worth less than illegal immigrants?
That was the plan right up until 8:37 a.m., when President Donald Trump posted the following to Twitter.
All of a sudden, the Republican leverage was gone.
Democrats seized on the opportunity. “Republicans want to let your children die!” they screamed. Republicans scrambled, offering CHIP in their bill anyway. The Democrats were emboldened, and demanded more. The power of the negotiations was in the Democrats’ hands. Goodbye plan.
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That brings us to this morning, a time when the sun rises over the desolate ruins of Washington D.C. There is no government funding, and people will be negatively affected by it.
The Democrats shut down the government. But they were able to, they had the oomph, because what was an easy path for Republicans was made infinitely harder by a President who simply refuses to rein in his social media use and refrain from posting his every thought.
This should have been a Republican victory. Although this situation is salvageable, the better message is lost now, thanks to a single tweet.
https://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2018/01/20/government-shut-heres-happened/
That seems pretty factual. So the cult will now call me names for posting this.
The “plan” was crap. Getting a 30 day reprieve til everyone does it all over again isn’t “victory”, that’s just kicking the can, which is all that Congress ever does and which is why they’re despised.
Trump’s tweet was right. CHIP should be saved for the long term solution bill, not thrown away to buy a 30 day reprieve that in the long run is pointless. Trump is going for victory; McConnell and Ryan long ago decided that they only wanted to go for short term managing of expectations. They’re wrong.
This “shutdown” (which is just theater, of course) is going to play out far differently with Trump managing the effort. I can’t wait until he furlough’s the entire Dep’t of Education as “non essential personnel.” Next he can furlough most of the EPA. Then let him keep going on down the list of Schumer’s favorite programs, shutting them down, one a day. It is going to be glorious to witness!
“Trump’s tweet was right.”
Putting aside whatever policy merits you suggest, why not coordinate with McConnell? Why vomit whatever random thought he had on Twatter? Mitch is T-rump’s new BFF, and T-rump would be nowhere legislatively without Mitch.
Because Mitch is the leader of the GOP-e which would love to proclaim full amnesty and have this all over with, so they could go back to their cocktails. They only reason they don’t is because they’re scared of Trump’s ability to go around them and communicate with his base directly.
Trump has always been fighting a two front war, against the Dems on one hand and against McConnell and the GOP-e on the other. At times he’s been able to shame the GOP-e into supporting him (except for the hopeless lost causes like Flake and Lindsey Graham) The Democrats he just has to defeat, legislatively and electorally.
For the record, this is a DEMOCRAT government shutdown; period, exclamation point. They own it lock stock and barrel. But, what they own are all optics. No one is going to starve; EBT accounts are filled at the beginning of the month and are still active. CHIP is a partial reimbursement program for state run Medicaid and other state administered and funded programs, which have a built in payment delay of several months and the states will continue to operate while the federal government is shutdown. Federal welfare and social security payments have already been received for January and the next one is not for 10 days. Critical portions of the government will function to adequate levels even during the shutdown, the administration has access to funds even without Congressional approval. This is all over a spending bill and is all about optics.
Now, let us suppose that the Trump tweet DID embolden the Dems and force them to shutdown the government. Who wins there? Trump. Why, because now the Dems are being obstructionist and placing the welfare of 700,000 foreigners, who are in no immediate danger of being deported, over the welfare of their constituents, American citizens. And doing so during one of the coldest Januaries on record. Also, Trump said that he would sign any bill which did not include DACA normali9zation without the other immigration reform points that he wanted. All the GOP has to do is to keep telling the truth about the Democrat’s. After all, CHIP was to be funded for the period of the CR, according to the deal presented by the Republicans. If it is not funded during the shutdown, that is the Dems fault.
While it is possible that Trump’s tweet was simply Trump publicly expressing his personal feelings about short term funding for CHIP. Or, it could actually have been designed to encourage the Dems to take the action that they took. If so, why? Could it have been to demonize the Dems? After all, thanks to the #FakeNews campaign, the Democrat propaganda arm [the MSM] no longer enjoys the fawning adulation it once did. Alternative media and Fox News are in a position to rebut the Dem shrieking platitudes.And, if the Republicans will simply hold fast, something that they are not known for, then the Dems will likely have to cave before February first or see government payments to their constituents fail to arrive on schedule. And, it will still be a Dem shutdown over foreigners illegally in this country.
You can try to spin this as being Trump’s fault. But it is entirely the fault of the Dems. No one else. They cold have voted for the CR and had several weeks to hammer out a deal. They didn’t and now they own a very unpopular action.
Interesting article. I was unaware of the tweet by PDT. I am unconvinced that it blew up negotiations though. PDT didn’t say he would veto the CR so I don’t see how this comment undercut the GOP so badly that the Dems decided to roll the dice for a shutdown. My humble perspective is that the Dems had already decided to shut down the government over DACA no matter what sweeteners were in the CR. I think they believe that when Congress does come together over a new CR they will get both what was in the old CR as well as DACA.
otoh, the tweet didn’t seem very prudent. Other than a sort of virtue signaling by the president what good did it do?
I’m not calling you names for posting this; indeed, I didn’t even read it because it doesn’t matter what it says. As you well know, you cannot post giant chunks of content from other sites in LI’s comment section. The prof has posted about this numerous times, and it applies to everyone, including you.
If you cannot express yourself in your own words, a summary sentence with a simple link to someone who has managed to express thoughts with which you agree will do.
Comments section implies original, thoughtful comments by persons, not pasted articles poached from other sites. Do not continue to paste large chunks (or whole articles) from other sites here.
Thank you.
Now, I have to be honest here. Personally, I did not think that the Dems were stupid, or desperate, enough, over DACA, to shutdown the government, as it is an actio9n which is more likely to blow up in their faces than to gain them a win. I was proven to be wrong on that count. Apparently the Dems are both stupid and desperate enough to cause a shutdown.
There is plenty of time now for the dems and msm to fashion the drumbeat of anti-Trump.
Vague hints about an “immigration solution” get the D’rats (and the GOPe) thinking they’re within sight of the Promised Land; the bait is planted. A few tweets nudge the weasels along, keeping them all confused but still hopeful; Schumer steps right into the trap. And now the President can shut down all sorts of things which the D’rats will hate, all under cover of the Schumer Shutdown.
Obviously, no big battles were won here. The Wall remains unfunded, the military is left moldering, the Clinton-Obama crime axis is still functioning. All that’s happening is that the road to victory is being paved, mile by painful mile. I expect the project will take a while.
Meanwhile, the sort of people who think a room full of monkeys really did type all of Shakespeare’s sonnets will continue to insist that the President is an idiot.
Oh, they’re desperate. They have to import am alternate electorate or they’re dead.
No deals with the rats.
We should start taking collections for military families. If the government isn’t going to pay them because of the louses in the D party, I will. Nobody serving should have to worry about their their families. Who’s with me?
Maybe a gofundme page would be good?
After thinking about this, I have to wonder if the current hype over the “bombshell” Trump surveillance memo may not have triggered this action. A shutdown, even a Dem shutdown, is likely to trump the memo on the Sunday talks. This seems kind of extreme, though. Oh, well. We’ll just have to see where this goes.
How is this a winning deal for the Democrats? They’re telling Americans to F off in preference for illegals.
I just donate $50 to Navy and Marine Corps relief. If any of you know how I can help out the Arrm, Air Force, or Coastie types let me know.
In case it’s not obvious this really chaps my hide.
This is a bad month for me to be giving away money. I have $5k+ property tax bill due by the end of January.
This may seem I’m bragging. But I’m not. I was qualified on the M590, the M14, the M16, the M1911, the M9, the S&W chief’s special. But the proudest moment I had in the Navy was when an inspector for COMTUEX (Composite Training Unit Exercise, the final exercise a Battle Goes through to certify it’s ready to deploy) threw a first aid situation. And I impressed him so much he told my troops, “Your officer knew what to do.” Then he told them just how I got everything right.
I just took a look into my toolbox. Nothing, not the saline solution, the surgical antiseptic, the blood clotting agent, is out of date. It’s not bragging because I always considered myself the least among my Sailors. I knew if it was possible to go below if the ship got holed (not always possible because of the force of the incoming water) they’d do it for me. The least I could do for them was to be prepared to render aid. I am still ready to render aid. Because they would do it for.
I learned that from my dad, the sainted Coast Guard Radioman Senior Chief and my DI, Gunnery Sergeant Holt the Antichrist (but I love that man, even though I disliked him at the time).
Oh, I could also work the mighty, mighty AWG-9 and the AIM-54 Phoenix. But I was never in a paid flight status. I was an intel officer in a TARPS squadron. TARPS stands for Tactical Airborne Reconnaissance Pod System. Like most things I dealt with in the Navy it’s now a museum piece. But I at least thought I should know something about the RIO’s job. So I could talk to him. I did mission planning.