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J.D. Vance Takes Center Stage in Debate Over January 6 Pardons

J.D. Vance Takes Center Stage in Debate Over January 6 Pardons

With just over a week until Donald Trump’s inauguration, speculation has been building for months about who might receive pardons related to the January 6 protests.

Vice President-elect J.D. Vance has weighed in, criticizing what he calls a politically motivated justice system and providing insight into how the administration may approach decisions on granting pardons.

More from Fox News:

“If you protested peacefully on January 6th, and you’ve had Merrick Garland’s Department of Justice treat you like a gang member, you should be pardoned,” Vance told Fox News’ Shannon Bream during an exclusive one-on-one interview that aired Sunday.

“If you committed violence on that day, obviously you shouldn’t be pardoned, and there’s a little bit of a gray area there, but we’re very much committed to seeing the equal administration of law. And there are a lot of people, we think, in the wake of January the 6th who were prosecuted unfairly. We need to rectify that.”

You can see the full answer here:

Some conservatives online have expressed frustration, arguing that blanket pardons should be issued:

In response, JD Vance addressed some of his critics, reminding them of his contributions to J6 defense funds:

However, criticism persisted, with many calling for broader pardons for all rally attendees:

As President-elect Donald Trump’s inauguration approaches, I believe the debate over pardons for January 6 protesters will set the tone for his presidency and reveal his administration’s priorities in addressing these past election issues.

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Comments

BigRosieGreenbaum | January 12, 2025 at 7:18 pm

Blanket pardons.

    Dejectedhead in reply to BigRosieGreenbaum. | January 13, 2025 at 2:33 am

    Any crime would have been served over 4 years.

    Immediate commutation of sentence to time served for everyone in jail for nonviolent or low-order violence J6 crimes. Then sort it out.

    No one should serve any time in jail for trespassing through open doors, but we don’t want to let the government provocateurs off from whatever charges they can be nailed with, either.

    I don’t think you can appeal after you’ve been pardoned, and I think some loud and public appeals are necessary to gun up momentum for changing the venue of DC possibly-political crimes from DC to nationwide.

    Blanket pardons can wait until summer 2028.

      Hominem Humilem in reply to ecreegan. | January 14, 2025 at 1:31 am

      Nonviolent offenders should be pardoned and the record of their arrest and conviction expunged. Violent offenders (meaning people who actually committed violent acts, which is not the same thing as being convicted of a violent act) should have their sentences commuted if they have already served a plausible period of time. Probably all those convicted should be released before Trumps’ term is up because of the taint of the Biden DOJ malfeasance.

      But I also want to see a truth commission to identify the DOJ personnel involved in persecuting non-violent protesters–by name. Any who are shown to have engaged in violation of the civil rights of protesters should have any security clearances revoked and be disciplined, by substantial suspensions without pay, significant (and permanent) demotions in paygrade, or separation from government service (with the cause prominently noted in their personnel files, should they again seek government employment or an opportunity to work for a government contractor). Government contractors who hire people that persecuted Americans should have that fact reflected in consideration of their bids for contract work and in performance evaluations associated with contract performance bonuses.

All must be pardoned

All
We will accept nothing less

    Or…what?

    You won’t vote for Trump again?
    You’ll stay home and let the Dems take over again?

    I’m on your side, but empty threats are clearly empty — better to work on positive arguments for pardons.

Issuing a pardon for the 99%+ of nonviolent folks who did nothing but enter the grounds (often invited by Capital Police) is absolutely necessary. These folks did not commit any real offense worthy of prosecution. The DoJ was, IMO, vindictive and malicious in going after them.

That said the remaining 1% that day may or may not deserves pardon. IMO, a blanket pardon for the remaining 1% of those involved on J6 is not a good idea. Their cases need to be evaluated and if deserving issue a pardon but in the very few fraction of instances where a pardon isn’t deserving it shouldn’t be issued.

    thalesofmiletus in reply to CommoChief. | January 12, 2025 at 8:01 pm

    If and only if they can sort through the cases in a matter of days or weeks, not years. We’re talking over a thousand political prisoners. Justice delayed is justice denied.

    gonzotx in reply to CommoChief. | January 12, 2025 at 8:10 pm

    BS

    The violence was on the capital police side and the fbi, NOT the civil protesters
    They were being clubbed, shot and hit with batons for God sakes
    You have a right to fight back and the police murdered 2 women

    2 women

      CommoChief in reply to gonzotx. | January 13, 2025 at 6:41 am

      Gonzotx

      In the 1% of cases an evaluation of the evidence, ALL of it not just that portions the DoJ presented, will demonstrate whether a pardon or a commutation is justified for them.

      A thorough analysis may also help build a case v the actions of the gov’t actors that day which has not, IMO, been subject to honest scrutiny so far.

        ALL of the evidence, even the parts that have been destroyed/lost forever? How does one get a fair trial if evidence has been destroyed?

        Better to set the precedent that if one-sided cases are ginned-up from nothing for politics, and evidence is hidden/destroyed, then everyone goes free — period.

          CommoChief in reply to DJ9. | January 13, 2025 at 3:56 pm

          Where the evidence in possession of the Gov’t was destroyed then that is at best ‘spoilation’ where the missing evidence is viewed most favorable to the other side OR ‘tampering with evidence’ at worst which is itself a crime.

          The problem y’all seem to overlook is where our political opponents may indulge in the same sort blanket pardons in the future. No whining from y’all when they follow this course.

          markm in reply to DJ9. | January 14, 2025 at 10:34 am

          “The problem y’all seem to overlook is where our political opponents may indulge in the same sort blanket pardons in the future.”

          Biden already did a blanket pardon for Hunter, preempting any federal prosecution for crimes from 2014 to last December, whether or not they have been tried, charged, or are even currently suspected.

          Some have suggested that this may backfire. That pardon immunizes Hunter of all federal crimes in the period. so he cannot take the 5th when questioned about his role in any bribery or conspiracy. Of course, the problem is that he’ll lie, and we probably will be unable to prove it.

          CommoChief in reply to DJ9. | January 14, 2025 at 3:58 pm

          markm,

          Biden issuing a comprehensive pardon to his son is not close.to.the same as issuing a blanket garden server hundred or several thousand people.

          A better analogy would be Biden issuing a pardon to everyone unlawfully in the US for any crimes.

    Dolce Far Niente in reply to CommoChief. | January 12, 2025 at 8:16 pm

    The remaining 1% did what, exactly? Broke windows, yelled nasty things, pushed police officers? Some of these folks have been incarcerated for 4 years; NONE of the potential charges would have carried a 4 year sentence in a normal trial.

    And every bit of this “justice” is fatally tainted by the kangaroo nature of these trials. Not one single prosecution should be upheld, even if someone IS guilty of some minor riotous behavior.

      stevewhitemd in reply to Dolce Far Niente. | January 12, 2025 at 10:45 pm

      Correct: there is petty violence and then serious violence.

      For those who committed petty acts of violence: either pardon or commute their sentence to time served.

      For the very, very few who committed more significant acts of violence: careful, individualized review.

        Can you enlighten us with an example of what you deem “serious violence”?

        Oh, you mean putting your feet up on Nancy’s desk?

        Posing
        With Capital police?

        Fighting back when clubbed , sprayed, shot in face with rubber bullets while standing still, tying to do cpr on a dying women the CP beat to death after hitting with rubber bullets and batons?no CP
        Were injured

      My last “real job” was in our federal court system. I saw many charged with much more serious crimes get far less punishment than those convicted for J6 “crimes”. Political persecution all the way.

      healthguyfsu in reply to Dolce Far Niente. | January 13, 2025 at 10:51 am

      You do realize commutation would be an option in cases like you bring up, right?

    healthguyfsu in reply to CommoChief. | January 12, 2025 at 10:32 pm

    For the life of me I can’t understand what some on our side have against nuance and the careful weighing of the facts.

      CommoChief in reply to healthguyfsu. | January 13, 2025 at 10:01 am

      Too true but since this is now the adopted standard I will certainly demand the same sort of thing for:
      1. Illegal aliens
      2. Employers of illegal aliens
      3. ANYONE who assisted any illegal alien

      Find all of them. Deport the illegal aliens. Put the employers and those who aided the illegal aliens in prison with accompanying fines large enough collectively to pay off the Federal debt. Use every means possible no excuses.

      If you paid cash to an illegal alien for yard work around your home prepare to lose it to civil asset forfeiture and go to prison. If you employed them in your business and won any bids based on lower pay to illegal aliens allowing you to under bid competition prepare for a claw back of all the funds, the business assets to be seized and to go to prison. Gave an illegal alien a sandwich and a bottle of water? Tough go to prison. Did you use your vehicle to offer a ride? Oops that vehicle is seized.

      Nope I will accept nothing less. Draconian enforcement for everyone who participated in illegal aliens coming and remaining in the USA. Start with the ‘church charities’ seizing their assets and putting them into prison.

    mailman in reply to CommoChief. | January 13, 2025 at 5:06 am

    The problem is the weaponisation of the entire process to begin with. While those who were violent on the day would warrant punishment the problem is the manufactured state of the crimes by Garlands weaponised DoJ.

    Because the DoJ totally debased itself calling in to question the motivations for the convictions it means that EVERY SINGLE CONVICTION must be pardoned.

    Keep in mind that Garlands DoJ created this situation with its over zealous and politically motivated attacks on peoples freedoms that it means even those actually guilty of violent crimes must be pardon because of the over all corruption of an entire Department who served as nothing more than Democrat attack dogs.

      CommoChief in reply to mailman. | January 13, 2025 at 6:48 am

      No doubt that much of the prosecution and treatment of these J6 defendants was ideological. This event scared the hell out of the DC establishment and they closed ranks to make the process as painful as possible to make an example and IMO, for vengeance.

      The small fry who were basically charged with trespass should be pardoned immediately. Those who faced elevated charges should have their cases reviewed and they can be offered a pardon or commutation of their sentence if justified.

      I am not willing to stipulate that 100% of them are equally deserving of a pardon. The 99%? Sure but last 1% we need to evaluate before we hand them a pardon.

        mailman in reply to CommoChief. | January 13, 2025 at 8:38 am

        Let me put it this way…its too late now. The DoJ SHOULD have done its due diligence at the very beginning but they didnt because their only objective was to imprison people based solely on their targets political beliefs.

          CommoChief in reply to mailman. | January 13, 2025 at 9:45 am

          IMO, Handing out blanket pardons exclusively based on Red Team ideology/membership is just as wrong and just as much a perversion of justice as making prosecutorial decisions exclusively based on Red Team ideology/membership.

          When someone is offering you 99% of what you desire and an evidence based review for the remaining 1% as I am here and you.still can’t say ‘Yes it’s a deal’ then you are putting ideology and emotion over logic.

          mailman in reply to mailman. | January 13, 2025 at 10:04 am

          That is on Biden, Garland and their weaponised DoJ. This is the reality THEY created and can only be undone in its entirety or not at all.

          Jan 6 was manufactured by Democrats for the sole purpose of targeted a President they detested and wanted removed at all costs. Trying to play nicely now is a bit too late given the BS Democrats not only created but specifically fostered for their own political ends.

          CommoChief in reply to mailman. | January 13, 2025 at 12:05 pm

          Ok man. Cool lets ensure y’all apply the exact same tenacity rejecting 99% offers on:
          Budget deficits, Federal debt, spending, deportations and everything else including US control of Panama Canal and Greenland.

        Suburban Farm Guy in reply to CommoChief. | January 13, 2025 at 12:38 pm

        I really REALLY like the way you think. 100.00% agreement.

“JD Vance makes it official.
Those who committed violent acts on January 6th will not be pardoned.”

Given that Biden will probably overlook pardoning the killer of Ashley Babbitt, maybe she can finally get some justice.

Pardon them all and give the Presidential Medal of Freedom to each them!! Make it mean something again!

    thalesofmiletus in reply to JWFO. | January 12, 2025 at 9:36 pm

    I would definitely support the Medal of Freedom to one Jacob Chansley, who should of course receive the honor wearing his buffalo hat.

    WTPuck in reply to JWFO. | January 13, 2025 at 11:45 am

    Nah, Trump should invent his own award. The PMOF is completed tainted.

AF_Chief_Master_Sgt | January 12, 2025 at 8:46 pm

Those assholes who were informants and agitators are not “J6” political prisoners.

If Trump and Vance fuck this up, no vote in 2028 for any Republican.

I actually think this is going to make the political fallout worse.

Biden so abused and destroyed the pardons that he’s effectively given cover to Trump, and that’s BEFORE he issues a thousand preemptive pardons to his for left cronies.

I think the smart way to do this is say that you would like to sort through everybody and separate real criminals from those just trying to exercise their right to protest, but the Biden sham abuse of the DoJ and absolute destruction of any kind of actual rational due process, and their rampant and ridiculous overcharging at every level, has made it i.possible for any kind of objective assessment, so the only solution is a blanket pardon, and if you have a problem with that, then whine to the leftist DoJ about trying to give people 10+ years for walking in an open door for a few minutes and leaving.

Because now, by saying they’re going to evaluate and assess, they’re putting all the blame on themselves for pardoning ‘violent’ ones (and make no mistake, the left will simply lie and make crap up to declare ANYBODY ‘violent’), or alternately, pissing off his base by NOT pardoning people they think deserved it.

I think a blanket pardon, done with the emphasis of blame on the corrupt abuse of the DoJ, has far less potential fallout.

Just my 2c

    Sanddog in reply to Olinser. | January 13, 2025 at 2:43 am

    Trump needs to make it clear that Biden abused the DOJ and pardons for political purposes and this is just the first step in restoring the rule of law.

      tjv1156 in reply to Sanddog. | January 13, 2025 at 6:16 pm

      you are HYSTERICAL. !!! 3 frauds. Sexaul asault. Libel. 34 count felony convictions and 91 indictments.THAT is the sleazy awiper who’s going to restore ‘rule of law’????Hahahahahahahaha
      thanks for confirming the redhat stereotyp.e

        I guess trolls gotta troll.
        Since TDS folks like yourself luv to compare Trump to the Nazis, let’s compare his treatment to The Legal System under the real, actual Nazis.

        Millions of folks were legally convicted of the “crimes” of being Jews/gay/labor organizers/gypsies/etc and denied any rights to a fair trial. But lets take one example in particular – the famous brother & sister convicted of treason for distributing pamphlets (fake news) critical of the regime on their campus.

        I’m sure any fellow socialists who miss the days of national socialists still being in power would defend those convictions.(and deaths), as being under lawful authority. After all, they’re convicted felons, right? There’s no possible scenario in which a felony conviction would be bogus and pure BS? Perhaps we should consult with a life long defender of civil liberties, like (say) Alan Dershowitz, to get his take on your apparent belief that conviction is the be all and end all of every story?

        The brother and sister in question died.
        The presiding judge was executed I believe for his criminal convictions of these two and others under then existing law and practice. Bragg et Alia don’t face similar payback, but according to legal expert Mr. Dershowitz multiple judicial and prosecutions errors and misconducts make reversal of those much touted 32 felony convictions produced by judicial xeroxing of a single act inevitable.

    mailman in reply to Olinser. | January 13, 2025 at 5:35 am

    Its too late for that. This is what an honest DoJ SHOULD have done from the very beginning but because of the weaponisation of the DoJ we are way past doing anything sane like this.

From the get go the press and congress have lied about and exaggerated violence done by the protesters. Not a peep about violence done TO the protesters whenever they could get away with it, the two deaths being impossible to ignore. The one video of the guy with a hole in his face from “sublethal munitions” shows a hole not just in that guys face, but in the story spoon-fed to the public.

Remember the video of southern bully-boy cops beating with clubs and knocking over civil rights protestors with high-powered water hoses?
Remember the impact that had on the conscience of the nation?

The president, Congress and the press fought tooth and nail to prevent public viewing of video of the entirety of the events of Jan 6, only releasing carefully selected and edited bits. Now imagine if congress and the press had successfully colluded to hide and censor those videos so as to hide the brutality and just who were the Bad Guys in that conflict.
The civil rights acts of 196x might also have never seen the light of day.

Drop further investigation or prosecution of protesters, if you can’t make a case in 4 years you don’t have a good case. Pardon anyone who’s worse offense realistically is trespass.

And investigate and prosecute anyone who violated the law under authority of office, to include uniform police and those who ordered them to break the law.

    BobM in reply to BobM. | January 12, 2025 at 9:21 pm

    Oh, do that last bit fast before the statute of limitations kicks in.

      CommoChief in reply to BobM. | January 13, 2025 at 6:52 am

      The evaluation of evidence on the 1% of cases which don’t get a near instant/automatic pardon for potential pardons can also shed light on the actions of LEO that day. Let’s roll that into the process to make sure any bad actions of Gov’t agents that day are both publicised and punished appropriately.

        mailman in reply to CommoChief. | January 13, 2025 at 8:41 am

        Too little too late Im afraid CC.

        The entire process was corrupted by the Democrats right from the beginning from manufacturing the crises to imprisoning people for having the wrong political beliefs. Any consideration for sorting out those guilty of actual crimes has long since passed given Democrats created this entire fiasco because they had a sitting President they needed to depose.

          CommoChief in reply to mailman. | January 13, 2025 at 9:50 am

          You just argued against an investigation into the actions of Gov’t on J6 and subsequently what was done after J6 to the defendants, which means no potential punishment for illegal acts of gov’t.

          mailman in reply to mailman. | January 13, 2025 at 10:06 am

          Two completely different things CC.

          Holding political prisoners in prison because they were entrapped by Democrats hell bent on destroying their political enemies is not the same as supporting not investigating the events that Democrats got up to in manufacturing the Jan 6 non-event.

          CommoChief in reply to mailman. | January 13, 2025 at 4:26 pm

          If it ‘too late’ for new investigation/analysis then it is too late for new investigation and analysis. Or is it only selectively too late?

          This argument you make comes across as Team Red =good and Team Blue = bad. IOW a.strictly partisan exercise of political power which is how this crap began. Lets investigate the whole thing, release the innocent and punish the guilty; not sure why that is a controversial stance.

Maybe let them do what they will before going marbles over what has not happened. Best, however, to leave an opening to allow for actual justice.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair | January 12, 2025 at 9:41 pm

“If you committed violence on that day, obviously you shouldn’t be pardoned, and there’s a little bit of a gray area there,

BULLSH*T!!

The only ones who were in the wrong on Jan 6 were those who broke windows to get in. None of the other “violence” was real. Protesters tussling with cops on the barricades is pretty normal and people who do that are hardly ever arrested, let alone actually thrown in jail for extended periods and pursued for years. And on Jan 6 there is overwhelming VIDEO evidence of the cops starting those confrontations by shooting, unprovoked and seemingly for no reason, serious ordinance into the crowd – rubber bullets, gas, flash bangs, … Most of the “violence” by the protesters was just in self-defense.

And even among the few (handful) of cases of the people who broke the windows it doesn’t matter. ALL OF THE PROSECUTION WAS TAINTED. That is how things work with corrupt prosecutors. The 100% non-acquittal rate was particularly astounding. I don’t think there is any sort of parallel in American history (much as there is no parallel in American history of so many jurisdictions filing so many simultaneous indictments of one person, as happened to Trump).

No, the DOJ Jan 6 offices were completely corrupt and all of the cases must be pardoned. Further, every single person who was pursuing those persecutions on behalf of the treasonous DOJ and Traitor Joe need to be fully investigated and charged and end up spending a nice few decades in federal PMITA prison thinking about what despicable lowlife scum they are.

There were no “weapons” on Jan 6. There was nothing but a minor riot – cop induced as they fired into a quiet crowd – and people doing what any normal person would do at such an occurrence. And for that they were raided YEARS LATER in their homes by SWAT teams in full gear, dragged through illicit legal processes, jailed without trial, abused, impoverished, … Those who planned and committed these crimes against Americans under the color of law must be held to account and must suffer SEVERE punishments.

    “The only ones who were in the wrong on Jan 6 were those who broke windows to get in. None of the other “violence” was real.”

    And breaking windows isn’t even violence — just vandalism.
    Yes, it’s a crime, but not like interpersonal violence.

    On the other hand, I saw at least one scene of protestors beating the crap out of an officer after he was down and out of action. As we all know from Andrew Branca, when the threat of opposing force stops, so must yours.

    Now, I’m intrigued by Olinser’s more tactical approach: “We’re going to play this one by Democrat rules to balance the injustice, and if you don’t like it, suck on it.” It’s not entirely morally defensible, but I’m tired of taking the high road when Democrats never do.

    THIS.^ All day long.

There should be a blanket pardon of all offenses committed on Capitol Hill on Jan-6-2021, except those committed by anyone who was employed at that time, in any capacity whatsoever, by the FBI, CIA, or Capitol Police, and except those committed anyone who was present at any riot between the years 2017 and 2020 (i.e. likely antifa).

The few who committed unprovoked violence would normally not deserve a pardon, but after seeing all charges dropped (or never even brought) against everyone who did the same or far worse at leftist riots and even genuine insurrections (e.g. Portland, or CHAZ), a blanket pardon even for these seems called for. Anyone who protests against it should be made to justify the treatment of all those rioters for the entire 4 years of the first Trump administration, from the inauguration riot through the Floyd riots.

    4rdm2 in reply to Milhouse. | January 13, 2025 at 7:49 am

    Well, if they’ve been essentially incarcerated for four years, then for how many of them would the sentence for their crime be four years or more in a normal case? If not, then at the least the sentence should be commuted and basically be ‘time served’.

      MarkS in reply to 4rdm2. | January 13, 2025 at 7:59 am

      a grand jury should investigate the judges that allowed people to be jailed pending trial for four years, an obvious Constitutional violation

      Milhouse in reply to 4rdm2. | January 13, 2025 at 8:00 am

      What about those who have not been incarcerated? Those who haven’t even yet been charged? They would be covered by a blanket pardon too. Normally I would say it should exclude those who engaged in unprovoked violence, but in these circumstances I say pardon them too, so long as they were not working in any capacity for the FBI, CIA, or Capitol Police, and were not present at any riot during the first Trump administration.

The Biden DOJ has made such hash out of the J6 cases, making up ‘evidence’ while hiding Brady materials, exaggerating non-violent acts into felonies, prosecuting minor actions while ignoring far more serious crimes committed by suspected informants, and so on. The only practical solution is not going to make everybody happy: A blanket pardon for any and all actions taken within say a mile of the Senate for the day, or a set fraction of the day. That’s going to cover quite a bit of the governmental misbehavior in addition to the relative few actual serious crimes committed by J6 protestors, but on the plus side it saves an enormous amount of time and taxpayer money, plus the pardoned individuals can be compelled to testify in other cases since the 5A won’t apply.

The re was a article at American Thinker week or so ago from someone caught up in the Jan6 Kangaroo Courts. He suggested a pardon isn’t the best way as it’s a admission of guilt. Those people did nothing wrong and need to be cleared in a court with all the evidence out there. Certainly any pending trials should be dropped immediately.

    Crawford in reply to Skip. | January 13, 2025 at 6:59 am

    Accepting a pardon is NOT an admission of guilt. That would make no sense, when one of the purposes of pardons is to correct improper convictions.

    That BS has been spread by the Biden DOJ to frighten J6 prisoners out of accepting pardons. Do some basic research and stop spreading their lies.

      Milhouse in reply to Crawford. | January 13, 2025 at 8:15 am

      There’s an old Supreme Court decision that’s often quoted to the effect that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt, but that’s not what it says. What it says is that it’s commonly perceived as an admission, and for that reason a person might not want to accept it and can’t be forced to. But this common perception is wrong.

        Gremlin1974 in reply to Milhouse. | January 13, 2025 at 6:11 pm

        They try to do the same thing with people who plead the 5th. “If you won’t answer questions then you must be guilty!” That is not what it means.

    MarkS in reply to Skip. | January 13, 2025 at 8:00 am

    No DC court with or w/o a jury is going to clear any Trump supporter

A blanket pardon will also free the Feds thugs

Pardon all non violent protesters. Those that broke the law deal with separately. If for example, someone broke a window but have been in jail waiting for sentencing or have already been sentenced and are serving time, call it time served and out. If they attacked a police officer then that’s different. Reopen the investigation into the cops that shot people.

“weaponized DOJ” ….”Lawfare’ ..blah blah….The redhat cult robots spaeketh.
)n 1/6 Trump and his cult followers SHAT all over our constitution and democratic voting system and you PHONY rule of law , law and order ‘conservatives’ defend the criminals and villify law enforcement and Liz Cheney- a PRINCIPLED conservative. Disgusting.

    Crawford in reply to tjv1156. | January 13, 2025 at 7:01 am

    Liz Cheny has never been a principled anything.

    Clinton pardoned people who set off a bomb in the Capitol; pardoning people who “paraded” and “approached” is nothing compared to that.

      Milhouse in reply to Crawford. | January 13, 2025 at 8:16 am

      Cheney used to be principled. She lost her principles and her honor out of TDS.

        tjv1156 in reply to Milhouse. | January 13, 2025 at 1:51 pm

        First- I would say anybody who defends,rationalizes, and supports this person is the deranged one. 3 frauds, sexaul assault, libel,91 indictments, ,34 felony convictions, 2 impeachments. Yeah , yeah we know….lawfar,e…withchunt….weaponized. DOJ…blah blah blah. Trumps’ the good guy.
        Second- so Cheney is not a principled conservativee.Nor Pence, Barr,Milley, Kelly ,or Boltona . But -let me guess- Trump is?

      tjv1156 in reply to Crawford. | January 13, 2025 at 3:23 pm

      A) Direct me to where I ever defended Clinton’s pardonS
      B) paraded and approached. LOL thanks for the laugh. It was a straight up riot. Untill the Capitol police were overwhelmed . They were forced to capitulate unles they wanted a Kent State. Remeber these people were hard core MAGA thus not very bright.

    steves59 in reply to tjv1156. | January 13, 2025 at 11:11 am

    “Liz Cheney- a PRINCIPLED conservative.”

    LOL. Troll outs himself as not just an imbecile, but also as brain-dead.
    Dufus. You’re the only one posting here that would call Liz Cheney “principled.”

      tjv1156 in reply to steves59. | January 13, 2025 at 3:18 pm

      – so Cheney is not a principled conservativee.Nor Pence, Barr,Milley, Kelly ,or Bolton . But -let me guess- Trump is?

        Milhouse in reply to tjv1156. | January 13, 2025 at 11:15 pm

        Pence, Barr, and Bolton are all principled conservatives — and none of them supported Harris, or any other Democrat. All of them wanted Trump to win.

        Milley was never a conservative, never even pretended to be, nor am I aware of any indication that he has ever had principles. I don’t know why you even included him in your list.

        I don’t know enough about Kelley, and whether he was ever principled or conservative; what I do know is that he has at least lent his name to outright lies about Trump

        Trump himself has never been a conservative, but he governed as one the first time around and there is every reason to believe he will do so again the second time, so his private views are less relevant. Nor are his principles, when the topic is the outrageous and obviously false accusations that were brought against him. If he has done something wrong, why didn’t any of these prosecutors go after him for that rather than make up these obvious farragoes?

          tjv1156 in reply to Milhouse. | January 14, 2025 at 11:31 am

          you’re right. all lies. Trump never once lied about election fraud and did everything in his power to stop morons from coming to the Capitol for no reason. He didn’t illegally taake classified document or showed them to people. He gave them right back when asked. He never even met Jean Carroll or Stormy Daniels let alone tried to rape or have sex with them. Totally out of character for a decent ,honorable man like Trump. Never had Cohen pay Stormy-Cohen falsified the cancelled check, Trump never called Raffensberg and asked him to ‘find’ votes. He never lied on any loan application.All of those things are just made up lies. Trump is a straight shooter who tells it like it is. If he says none of those things are true, YOU CAN BELIEVE HIM!!!

    Suburban Farm Guy in reply to tjv1156. | January 13, 2025 at 12:46 pm

    You are a perfect citizen. Of the former USSR or Nazi Germany. Not America.

      USSR – like where the dictator threatens to go after Senators ,Congressmen, and speciala prosecutors for legally and properly doing their jobs? You wear that red hat well. lol

        Milhouse in reply to tjv1156. | January 13, 2025 at 11:20 pm

        Trump has never threatened anyone for legally and properly doing their jobs. He has quite properly threatened to go after those who deliberately abused their positions, and I wish he would keep that promise, but unfortunately I don’t believe he will.

        He promised 8 years ago to go after Hillary Clinton for her criminal activity, but he never meant it. It was just a false promise to his supporters. That Mrs Clinton has a long history of felonies is indisputable; the only question is finding ones that were within the statute of limitations. and preferably ones that could be brought before a jury outside DC.

smalltownoklahoman | January 13, 2025 at 6:48 am

Put me on the side of blanket pardons: the J6 persecutions were blatantly corrupt with many people who committed no violence being held for months in appalling conditions without so much as a hearing. That is so obviously against how our system is supposed to work that it shouldn’t even be a question that how the feds responded to J6 was just wrong. As for those officials who engaged in that persecution: for those that can reasonably be made to stand trial, they should be made to do so, as a warning against engaging in the kind of abuse of power they engaged in against the people of this country.

Capitalist-Dad | January 13, 2025 at 9:11 am

If Prez Dummy can pardon murderers and rapists and give Medals of Freedom to filth like Clinton and Soros, every single J6 defendant—including any still rotting in the Democrat gulag in pre-trial detention should get a blanket pardon—no exceptions, except for anyone directly or indirectly linked to some federal agency—FBI, CIA, DHS, etc—who acted as instigators.

If Trump does not pardon 100% of the Jan 6er’s,
On top of his support for H1b

He will lose 75% of all his support and lose Congress, probably the senate and actually be impeached

He already has been softening his illegal deportation stance. Doesn’t sound like he’s going for the jugular

That’s my prediction as you all know I’m a rabid Trump supporter but I’m getting wobbled knees

Complicated business

    WindyHill in reply to gonzotx. | January 13, 2025 at 3:58 pm

    The guy hasn’t even been inaugurated yet and you already have him losing 75% of his support, losing congress (in 2 years) , and being impeached. What is wrong with you?!

PARDON. ALL. you knobhead

Suburban Farm Guy | January 13, 2025 at 12:48 pm

The government instigators and their co-conspirators at Antifa? NO!

irishgladiator63 | January 13, 2025 at 4:15 pm

Weren’t there hundreds or thousands of hours of video from the Capitol and surrounding buildings that weren’t turned over to the defendants? For instance, I seem to remember Tucker Carlson finding video of the buffalo hat guy being escorted by police through the Capitol that only came out after he was convicted and served almost his entire sentence.
The only question we should really be asking is if each and every defendant got access to these videos. If not, they didn’t receive possibly exculpatory evidence the government had in its possession. The cases should be vacated based on that alone.

you’re right. all lies. Trump never once lied about election fraud and did everything in his power to stop morons from coming to the Capitol for no reason. He didn’t illegally taake classified document or showed them to people. He gave them right back when asked. He never even met Jean Carroll or Stormy Daniels let alone tried to rape or have sex with them. Totally out of character for a decent ,honorable man like Trump. Never had Cohen pay Stormy-Cohen falsified the cancelled check, Trump never called Raffensberg and asked him to ‘find’ votes. He never lied on any loan application.All of those things are just made up lies. Trump is a straight shooter who tells it like it is. If he says none of those things are true, YOU CAN BELIEVE HIM!!!