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DeSantis: Theories of Dems Stealing 2020 Presidential Election ‘Did Not Prove to be True’

DeSantis: Theories of Dems Stealing 2020 Presidential Election ‘Did Not Prove to be True’

DeSantis has been relatively silent about the claims since the 2020 election.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis does not think the theories out there about Democrats stealing the 2020 presidential election are not true:

The comments went further than Mr. DeSantis typically goes when asked about Mr. Trump’s defeat. The governor has often tried to hedge, refusing to acknowledge that the election was fairly conducted. In his response on Friday, Mr. DeSantis did not mention Mr. Trump by name — saying merely that such theories were “unsubstantiated.” But the implication was clear.

“All those theories that were put out did not prove to be true,” Mr. DeSantis said in response to a reporter’s question after a campaign event at a brewery in Northeast Iowa.

On Friday, Mr. DeSantis did criticize aspects of the 2020 election, including changes to voting procedures made because of the coronavirus pandemic. But he specifically dismissed one particularly far-fetched theory that Venezuela, now led by President Nicolás Maduro, hacked voting machines.

“It was not an election that was conducted the way I think that we want to, but that’s different than saying Maduro stole votes or something like that,” he said. “Those theories, you know, proved to be unsubstantiated.”

Mr. DeSantis also said he did not have much time to watch coverage of his chief rival’s arraignment on Thursday.

“I saw a little bit,” he said. “Unfortunately, one of the things as governor that you have to do is oversee executions. So we had an execution yesterday, so I was tied up with that for most of the day.”

Florida put to death James Barnes, a man convicted of murdering a nurse in 1988.

I looked up “DeSantis 2020 president election” to see if he said anything about it. The Tampa Bay Times noted a few days after the election that DeSantis didn’t acknowledge Biden as the winner. He remained silent.

DeSantis basically remained silent since then. In 2022, he campaigned for a bunch of people who supported the idea that the Democrats stoles the 2022 election. But when asked:

When asked by reporters whether the last presidential election was rigged, DeSantis has instead highlighted changes to election laws he has supported or simply changed the topic.

“I’ve been asked that a hundred different times. Anyone have a question on the topic of the day?” DeSantis said during a mid-June press conference. He then went on to criticize the Jan. 6 hearings that were being held at the time. DeSantis, however, condemned the Jan. 6 insurrection in the immediate aftermath of the riot.

DeSantis has also rejected calls to do a statewide forensic audit of the 2020 results in Florida, asserting that there was no need and that the election went smoothly in a state that delivered a win for Trump.


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Who could blame him, honestly? Democrats would be happy to lock him up next.

    Ironclaw in reply to SeymourButz. | August 4, 2023 at 6:01 pm

    Ah, go along to get along. Yeah that’ll help us dig the country out of this hole we’re in…

      JohnSmith100 in reply to Ironclaw. | August 4, 2023 at 9:43 pm

      DeSantis is showing that he is almost a typical politician. When it comes to deep state, I think that DeSantis will over the long haul leave us in about the same Dems would. Deep state needs spikes driven through their heart.

        Agreed. Do you think Trump drove even one stake anywhere in the remote vicinity of the deep state heart during his four years in office? He was in over his head, and he still is. He has learned nothing.

          ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 5, 2023 at 12:15 am

          You would not even be saying the phrase “deep state” right now if it had not been for Trump.

          Trump did more to right America than anyone else in the last 100 years. And he has been more persecuted in doing it – not just by the opposition but by so many who are, ostensibly, conservative, too. Trump has done what he did almost all alone. He has had strong allies in his circle but this was still a fight that he had to carry out on his own, at his own personal risk, and unable to count on more than a handful of people.

          And you know all this but you just seem to hate his guts for some unknown reason.

          But, just for sh*ts and giggles, tell me who you think has done any great amount to expose and dismantle the deep state?? Give me a name.

          Don’t be ludicrous. I’ve been using the term “deep state” since at least 2009, if not before. I have blog posts you can review if you doubt this. Trump didn’t invent the deep state, and he sure didn’t do a single thing to stop it. Indeed, Trump worked over time to ensure the deep state/”resistance” was not only in charge but actually running his presidency from the shadows. What a complete disgrace Trump is in that light, no?

          ChrisPeters in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 5, 2023 at 1:01 am

          We were hearing, “Drain The Swamp” chants years ago, but the reality is that Trump did nothing to do that. On the contrary, he hired and endorsed many RINO’s who, if not part of the Swamp, certainly make it more difficult to combat it.

          Yep. When Trump wasn’t in bed with the swamp, he was being dragged down by it. Right under his own nose. And he just shrugged and carried on with his useless EO’s. Clueless doesn’t even begin to cover it.

          Quite presumptuous. Especially the part, “he has learned nothing.” And even moreso because he sounded like he learned plenty with the passage of time, if you listened tonight in Alabama.

          No he wasn’t what he was was surrounded by disloyal Ds traitors

          starride in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 5, 2023 at 12:57 pm

          I would say that Trump flushed them out of hiding, prior to Trump very few people understood the interaction between the “DNC/GOPe/Deep state actors”

          JohnSmith100 in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 5, 2023 at 8:35 pm

          I think that Trump scared Deep State shitless, and he forced their exposure. That is a big deal.

          Ironclaw in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 6, 2023 at 2:24 pm

          They certainly hate Trump enough to account for the idea that he was driving stakes. I’ve never seen anywhere near this intensity of hatred directed at one man, makes me wonder why that is.

        a Pence clone

    If he’s not willing to take that risk, then he doesn’t have the stomach to be a Republican in 2023 America.

      txvet2 in reply to irv. | August 4, 2023 at 6:59 pm

      Apparently, neither do a lot of Trump supporters, since they claim to be Independents (and in many cases are apparently Libertarians and/or former Perot supporters).

        gonzotx in reply to txvet2. | August 4, 2023 at 7:51 pm

        You don’t need to belong to a party to smell horseshit

        This will guarantee “d” not only doesn’t have the right stuff

        He’s bought and he’s never getting the Trump votes no matter what

        He was here as a Trojan horse all along

          txvet2 in reply to gonzotx. | August 4, 2023 at 11:36 pm

          “”He was here as a Trojan horse all along””

          No, that would be Vivek. It was suspicious in the beginning when you jumped up to defend him against what wasn’t even a criticism. Trump’s bitch.

        JohnSmith100 in reply to txvet2. | August 4, 2023 at 9:45 pm

        My loyalty is to principles, not a party.

        MarkS in reply to txvet2. | August 5, 2023 at 8:12 am

        says who?

    SaltyDonnie in reply to SeymourButz. | August 4, 2023 at 7:39 pm

    Well, that’s it for Desantis.

“Bye, Felicia”

In fairness, that’s the safe approach for Republican Presidential candidates. If you say the truth, which is there were a broad spectrum of fraud accusations in the 2020 election ranging from wackadoodle theories that ran dry in short order to serious counting discrepancies that still have not been investigated by neutral parties, the media will promptly run endless fake stories with headline variants of “Election Denier!” Same thing for J6 defendants. Make a move to pardon people who did nothing more than walk on the grass and the media will scream at the top of their lungs, waving pictures of some Trump supporter fighting a police officer and declaring you are some sort of supporter of a violent insurrection evil tyrant froth foam screech.

Wait so there’s a theory that Venezuela hacked the voting machines and this theory got enough people who believe it for the theory to become a ‘thing’ for reporters to ask questions to candidates? Seriously?

Lots of shenanigans in ’20. Loosen up the election integrity measures and start mailing out ballots to a very flawed voter registration list, then add legal ballot harvesting and it doesn’t take much creativity to see how what the d/prog do every election could be ramped up exponentially in ’20.

No need for oddball theories when the basic fundamentals of ballot security and election integrity were deliberately loosed or ignored b/c Covid. Which is why the d/prog are desperately trying to make permanent the ‘Covid era’ election framework; makes it way, way easier for bad actors to behave dishonestly.

    txvet2 in reply to CommoChief. | August 4, 2023 at 6:04 pm

    “”Wait so there’s a theory that Venezuela hacked the voting machines””

    I think that comment pertained to a Venezuelan election. There were some allegations of “irregularities”.

    William A. Jacobson in reply to CommoChief. | August 4, 2023 at 6:37 pm

    Yes, Sidney Powell and others claiming the U.S. election was fraudulent asserted Venezuelan involvement in hacking voting machines. Fox News got sued for it when she said it on Lou Dobbs show, and they settled,

    “Fox Corp. privately settled a defamation case with the Venezuelan businessman Majed Khalil last week, according to a letter to the federal judge overseeing the case dated Saturday.

    Khalil was ensnared in voting machine conspiracy theories advanced by Trump lawyer Sidney Powell on the Fox Business show “Lou Dobbs Tonight” and on social media, and he sued Fox Corp., Fox News and Dobbs for defamation.

    The settlement comes days before Dominion Voting System’s sweeping defamation case heads to trial. The specific broadcast and tweet Khalil challenged are also challenged in Dominion’s suit. Fox canceled Dobbs’ well-rated show in February 2021.

    According to court documents, Khalil was described on Dobbs’ show and on social media as a key player in a voting machine scheme tied to the late Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez that Powell claimed was used to rig the 2020 U.S. election in a Dec. 10 broadcast that year. Dobbs’ Twitter account described it as a “cyber Pearl Harbor in the 2020 election” the same day.

      I stand corrected. But there were also some allegations concerning the Venezuelan elections.

      Professor you know there was HIGE stealing of votes in 2020 and there are reliable people who have worked for 2 years with damning evidence

      But no court will give them standing

      Just like Kari in Az

      It’s ridiculous for anyone not to believe that one toilet overflow in on estate caused 6 states to suspend counting, when President Trump was well on his way to reelection and all of a sudden, duffel bags of votes were pulled from under tables, republican watchers were kicked out , boards were put up to prevent viewing

      And they stole President Trumps election, they stop Kari Lakes amd many others

      Ronnie Will NEVER be President, but he was always going to be rich running interference

      He’s a disloyal traitor

        What a load of utter tripe. I, personally, believe that there were serious problems with the 2020 election. I was watching results and was floored when several distrcts stopped counting in several key states. I knew what it meant; we all did.

        BUT you have o be able to prove it in a court of law. It was not provable, and the request made of judges without clear evidence of actual fraud was too onerous. What American judge is going to invalidate thousands, maybe millions of possibly legitimate votes? We don’t do that in America.

        Yes, it was all very fishy, and yes, we all think it was “stolen.” But here’s the thing, if it cannot be proven in a court of law, it is moot. Period. There is no “do over,” there is no “nullification” three years after the fact. It’s done. It’s over.

        The goal should be to clean up these precincts, these areas, where shady things seemed to happen. We need to make sure this never happens again, not keep whinging about something that is already done and will stay done. Look, I get it, it was unfair and wrong, but there simply is no legal or Constitutional remedy (which is why Trump was pushing to trash the Constitution of these United States to soothe his butt hurt. Unforgivable to me.).

        Trump’s deference to Fauci and the press led him to make horrendously bad choices for our country. He backed lockdowns, he backed paying people more money (our tax money!) to stay home than to go to work, and he consistently ignored the various states who were enabling voter fraud. He screwed up. Big.

        Trump wanted the country open by Easter, he said, but he bent over for Fauci and public school unions and the press. And they had their way with him nine times to Sunday. And Trump came up smiling. Weehaw! Let’s send out checks with my smiling face on them to everyone in America! Great plan! Meanwhile, his administration was allowing Democrats to run wild in the name of the “covid emergency” and set up “resistance” (anti-Trump) voting measures that Trump just ignored. IGNORED. What the actual hell?

        Trump lost because Trump was stupid, followed bad advice by bad actors, and didn’t follow his own instincts (which were correct: open by Easter. Had he done this, Trump would be president today. No doubt about it). But he didn’t. He made dumb decisions, did dumb things, dumbly put his faith in bad actors like Fauci and Birx, and he ultimately doomed his own 2020 reelection campaign. That’s just fact.

          inspectorudy in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 4, 2023 at 8:55 pm

          I think you misspoke when you said that the many examples of fraud were not provable. They were provable and had excellent proof for the courts but the court standard for hearing an election fraud case seems to be that if the number of votes fraudulently obtained wouldn’t have overturned the election then it won’t be heard. I understand why DeSantis did not jump into one more Trump-created issue and for him, he had nothing to gain by saying there was proven fraud in the election. There has been no proven fraud but we know it took place. That is a vote loser and offers nothing to the Indies and disaffected Dems who don’t give a damn about 2016. That seems to not have registered with the MAGA crowd that other than their group no one else is looking back and trying to redo the election. I know it was stolen but more than half of the country simply want to move on and hope that we do better next time.

          Once the election was over, there is a very narrow window to challenge it successfully, and the bar for doing so it incredibly high because judges are asked to literally invalidate potentially millions of votes. The evidence has to be clear, substantial, and without question. That was not the case in any of the cases brought not just by Trump lawyers but by the various groups filing across the country.

          The whole effort was haphazard, ill-planned and -executed, and frankly, it didn’t help that crazy people were running around shrieking about Krakens and/or outright lying (as Rudy recently admitted he lied about the election rigging in Georgia).

          Incompetence or arrogance lost Trump 2020, both before and after the election. Maybe a whole lot of both incompetence and arrogance.

          That does not make the result okay, okay, but it does mean that it is over and done. Trump and his lawyers fought it, they lost. It’s over.

          The thing to do now is to FIX what went wrong so it never happens again. Doing nothing to that end and just wailing about the results of the myriad forms of election interference is a sure path to it happening again. It’s like putting your hand on a hot stove, wailing in pain about how much that hurt, deciding not to turn the stove off, then sticking your hand back on the still-hot stove (because you didn’t turn it off!). Nonsensical and kind of stupid, no?

          ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 4, 2023 at 8:56 pm

          Courts refused to hear the cases. There was no real auditing. There was no real examination of the voter rolls and mail-in ballots. I got balloting information sent to my house for the wife of the last owners, from 8 years before. The first time that she got mail delivered to the house – voting information from Pennsylvania telling her how she was registered to vote and all the same junk that was being sent to me – an actual real voter at that address. I do not imagine that my house was a unique case. This was voting mail that started coming out of nowhere, so clearly the state was pulling out stale voter databases and sending out information to any and every one they could possibly automate, without any regard for actual people or registration. The couple who had sold us the house had left for Washington state 8 years before and, while he used to get junk mail sent every so often, she never got anything until mail from the PA voting section started pouring in for 2020.

          ALso, you admit that it was clear that there was all kinds of fraud but look to hide behind “cannot prove it in court”. Why? The question is not whether it can be proven in court (if there were a court honest enough to accept the case and actually allow full discovery) but whether it actually happened, which you seem to admit. And then you treat that fraud so frivolously … like it was jaywalking or something.

          What are you talking about? If there were an actual case, don’t you think Trump’s lawyers could have found it, made it, and won the day? Do you think Trump hired stupid hacks without a clue? What does that say about Trump? Come on, this is getting crazy.

          You’re all pretty much arguing that Trump is an idiot, his attorneys are idiots, and it’s all the blind leading the blind . . . because. What? Trump’s an idiot? Is that really where you want to go with this?

          Ironclaw in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 4, 2023 at 9:57 pm

          So what you’re saying there is it as long as they Stonewall enough for a couple of weeks, they’re pedophile gets in and there’s no way to reverse it. That doesn’t seem to be the right way to do things

          ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 4, 2023 at 9:59 pm

          reply to Fuzzy Slippers August 4, 2023 at 9:33 pm

          There was no “reply” button on your post for me.

          What the hell are you talking about? Nothing you mention has anything to do with my post.

          “You’re all pretty much arguing that Trump is an idiot, his attorneys are idiots, and it’s all the blind leading the blind . . . because. What? Trump’s an idiot? Is that really where you want to go with this?”

          Do me a favor, don’t try to put words in my mouth. Worry about your own arguments.

          JohnSmith100 in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 4, 2023 at 10:04 pm

          Personally, I think that Trump is smarter than DeSantis and I know that Trump has the mentality to kick ass. That is what we need now. I was involved in plenty of corporate intrigue, I think Trump has also acquired far more experience than DeSantis.

          Trump lost because Trump was stupid?

          President Trump to you did not lose, it was stolen from all of us

          InEssence in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 5, 2023 at 12:15 am

          What you said about Covid-19 was true enough. But the key states seem to have been won by dirty (voters moved or died) ballots. For example, Biden won WI by 17,000, but an audit showed that 45,000 dirty ballots were voted.

          It happens like this. States know they have dirty voter rolls but they refuse to clean them. All voters on the roll have a ballot printed for them. However, the state does not mail the dirty ballots, because they know they are dirty. According to various affidavits those ballots are shipped to a voting organization where they are filled. Enough of those ballots are then voted to shift the election. This is why it takes them so long to “count” the votes. In the 1970s, it took about 90 minutes. Now, it takes about 90 hours.

          The only states that publish their voter rolls are CO and MI. In every county of both of those states the voter rolls are larger than the adult population. If this is extrapolated across the US, then 100 million dirty ballots can be voted by the state.

          This problem would be easy and simple to fix, but only a few ineffective lawsuits even mention the problem.

          Right. So Trump’s team was ineffectual at best, grossly incompetent at worst. This makes Trump look good how?

          joejoejoe in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 5, 2023 at 12:24 am

          dont you have dinner to fix. Or something

          kelly_3406 in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 5, 2023 at 5:08 am

          As Fuzzy stated, the time to do something about election interference is now. Yet the only Republican candidate (apart from Trump defending himself) doing something about it is Vivek Ramaswany. He has publicly called out Jack Smith and has initiated a FOIA lawsuit against the DOJ.

          Vivek is showing what real leadership looks like. I am still waiting to see some evidence of leadership from DeSantis. Although I am NOT an onlyTrumper, the self-serving, poll-tested statements emerging from DeSantis make him seem like just another establishment candidate. His current campaign strategy won’t cut it with Trump supporters.

          The thing that Trump brings to the table is real expertise on the economy. No one can match him. Trump understands the levers that can be turned to build the US economy while attacking those of China. The real hope for defeating China is to rapidly shrink their economy and make the cost of war too expensive.

          Trump was truly naive in this trust of the “experts” during Covid. He got suckered by the dire predictions that he would be responsible for millions of deaths if he did not take immediate action. Florida had the luxury of time to see how things shook out.

          As the result of Trump’s experience, we are all much wiser and less trusting of “expert” opinion from the government. We have all been shocked by the corruption at every level of federal government. Trump would be well-positioned in a second term to identify centers of power in the US government that need to be dismantled. My desire would be to see the next president start with the DOJ and FBI.

          Millions blamed Trump for being too lax and “not listening to the science.” I posted a timeline of Trump’s comments from [can’t remember the post] a Democrat hater who threaded together comments to “validate” Trump killed millions by his Covid response. What was it, 75% got the vax? Which of that number believed Trump should have done more to keep the country open?? Trump didn’t promte masks and was grilled constantly. He pushed for schools to be open. I know he was spooked when he was convinced millions would die when the numbers started ticking up. He listened to commom sense doctors about hydroxychloriquine. Result: doctors forbidden to prescribe it!! ! I respectfully state you are way off base. Getting rid of Fauci would have done nothing for gaining votes. Pence wanted Birx. He made Pence the point person. Do you really think Trump wa ted to destroy the economy?

        CommoChief in reply to gonzotx. | August 4, 2023 at 8:51 pm


        Probably, hell almost certainly, there were enough legally insufficient ballots accepted and counted to swing the election.

        The ’emergency’ election measures in 2020 put into place in Blue States (Pennsylvania) and some Blue Enclaves in red/purple States (Atlanta) had the effect of loosening up ballot integrity and election security rules. Most of this was done by executive branch not the State legislature.

        When many States start off with a very suspect voter registration list then ballots are mailed out to all those people on the list, then ballot harvesting is suddenly allowed while simultaneously the signature verification and ID requirements go out the window plus in some jurisdictions highly partisan election officials essentially locked out GoP election observers (Philly) it is a recipe for shenanigans on a mass.scale.

        You know it, I know it, the Professor knows it, hell everyone knows it. The problem is proving it. Once the ‘bad’ ballots are accepted and counted that’s it. There’s no mechanism to undo it. No way to tie a ballot back to a voter without comprise of secret balloting. Have to stop it before that ballot gets mailed out to a bad registration.

        Going forward the ONE way to stop/mitigate these sorts of shenanigans is to clean up the voter registration rolls. Get the deceased, those who moved out of State, those who moved within the State but to a different precinct off the rolls.

        Then go line by line with property tax records to see if the address provided by the voter is legitimate. Every state requires a valid physical address for the voter at registration. If the address isn’t a residence or the same 1Bed Apartment is listed as the address for half a dozen voters it is bogus. Same for a commercial address or any other illegitimate address. Purge the list.

        All those sorts of registration deficiencies make the voter registration invalid. They shouldn’t be getting a ballot, but until the names are stricken from the list they will continue to get one and the d/prog will very likely make efforts to gather and cast those ballots.

        Bottom line is we don’t need bizarre theories of hacking or changing votes to see far more plausible ways to alter an election result. Lots of invalid registrations all getting mailed a ballot with the d/prog harvesters gathering them up and turning them in to be counted is far easier than some big plot.

        It’s not as if the d/prog political machines in big cities haven’t been doing this for decades, they just did way more of it in ’20 and took the show on the road to all the swing States b/c the Covid ’emergency’ provided the perfect excuse. IMO, that’s why they are so desperate to make the ‘temporary’ voting rules of the Covid era permanent; it helps them to cheat.

        healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | August 4, 2023 at 10:13 pm

        Nutbags like you are the only weapon Dems need to keep marginalizing Conservatives.

        It’s truly sad how badly your weak minded hive can be played like a fiddle and wear it as some kind of ignorant badge of honor.

      Maybe I’m missing something, but what does a settlement prove?

      I hadn’t realized that was the bizarre theory that she was pedalling. That ”Kraken’ never did get released.

    MarkS in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 8:15 am

    you’re repeating the CNN lie about the fact that the same machines were used to fraudulently elect Maduro

      CommoChief in reply to MarkS. | August 5, 2023 at 9:33 am

      So b/c I am surprised to learn that there is a theory that Venezuela generally and Maduro in particular hacked our voting machines to change the course of the 2020 Presidential election I am now a ‘liar’ or spreading lies? You make a claim but don’t provide evidence to substantiate the claim. Calling someone a liar isn’t the best way to win an argument.

      MarkS, the rest of this isn’t all for you in particular but for everyone. How about y’all lay off the ad hominem attacks? Stop the name calling. Stop projecting bad motives onto those who dissent from your views?

      The Only Trump cabal here in the comments seems to follow the principio SIGN language in their posts about anyone/anything that doesn’t put Trump in a positive light.
      Shame – you’re a bad person to say X
      Insults – you’re a coward/stupid/sell out to eGoP
      Guilt – you’re selling a CNN lie, hate USA, a globalist
      Need to be right – refusing to address the argument head on, shifting goalposts, non sequiturs, straw men

      This comment section is a long form blog. It isn’t Twitter (X). Pithy, sarcasm has its place, even here, but IMO, not when it doesn’t advance the discussion and debate. Approach everyone with goodwill and address arguments in good faith …or don’t and be recognized for the trolling behavior, slammed as trolls and castigated for it from the jump.

Who else is sick of this ploy of dragging opponents into the mudpit, just to have something to fuss about? I mean, come on! This shit has worked for 240+ years, with the designed-in balance and I am expected to believe the country wants a mudslinging fight instead of a return to balance?
It is too obvious, the meddling.

This is why I won’t even bother of driving to the poles to vote for that guy. He won’t even point out the obvious. Not only was the election fixed by the media with their selector reporting media with their selector reporting and

    Ironclaw in reply to Ironclaw. | August 4, 2023 at 5:58 pm

    That’s selective reporting and censorship. Then we reach the hundreds of lawsuits that illegally changed voting rules inside States so that they were violating their own laws. And then you get to things like hidden ballots under the table run through machines multiple time on camera. To deny all of that, what a weak ass

      txvet2 in reply to Ironclaw. | August 4, 2023 at 6:07 pm

      “”run through machines multiple time on camera””

      There were a lot of allegations, but I only saw one video, and it was obviously photo-shopped.

        Ironclaw in reply to txvet2. | August 5, 2023 at 1:00 am

        Obviously NOT photoshopped.

          txvet2 in reply to Ironclaw. | August 5, 2023 at 1:20 am

          You either haven’t watched that particular video, don’t know a photo-shop when you see it, (hint: watch for the skip when she shuffles the ballots), or you’re a liar.

          Ironclaw in reply to Ironclaw. | August 5, 2023 at 9:29 pm

          Perhaps it wasn’t the same video you saw, I don’t know. I did not see anything to indicate that it was edited for any purpose other than time. It was obvious that they ran the observers out, and then they started counting their hidden stash of special ballots, running them through enough times to get the result they wanted.

    amwick in reply to Ironclaw. | August 4, 2023 at 6:25 pm

    Ask Ron Coleman about election night. He got kicked out of Phili..He was supposed to be a poll watcher. I personally reported a dead person that registered D and then voted. Mulitply that by thousands, the cheat was real.

      inspectorudy in reply to amwick. | August 4, 2023 at 9:00 pm

      It was real but in the context of public knowledge, it has never been proven. That does not say that it didn’t happen. That’s like Hunter’s crimes, they haven’t been proven but we all know he did them.

      Ironclaw in reply to amwick. | August 4, 2023 at 9:37 pm

      You don’t have to convince me, I know the pedophile in Chief is illegitimate

Mauiobserver | August 4, 2023 at 5:59 pm

DeSantis can believe there was no election fraud or that it did not impact the election if he wants to. However, there has been no real investigation into all the serious allegations.

Barr refused to open even 1 investigation and then declared there was no evidence of widespread election irregularities or fraud.

The only case I am aware of that made it to the courts was the Dominion case where the crooked Delaware courts essentially prevented Fox was presenting a defense.

If Trump is granted a change of venue which I think he will then he can for the first-time subpoena witnesses and evidence and expose a lot of extraordinary election fraud and manipulation. For most of the American public it will be the first time they have heard of counting ballots after the press and GOP observers left Fulton County sites, or that in PHL GOP observers were placed so far away that they could not do their jobs, or all the ballots that showed up in blue cities late at night with no observers present that almost all broke for Biden.

If he can present his case, then it will be the best election campaign tool he could have hoped for.

    inspectorudy in reply to Mauiobserver. | August 4, 2023 at 9:01 pm

    Jesus! Can’t you read? DeSantis said no such thing. All he said was voter fraud had not been proven.

      And he’s right, it has not been proven. This really isn’t hard. Trump’s lawyers failed to prove fraud in any court in any state. If they can’t do that, they lose.

        Ironclaw in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 4, 2023 at 9:39 pm

        Hard to prove something when you’re not allowed to present evidence, isn’t it?

          Do you hear yourself? Trump and his lawyers and a bunch of rando freak lawyers screeching about Krakens all swore they had a case. They took it to court, multiple courts in multiple jurisdictions. And they lost. If they can’t get past basics needed to even BRING a case, how on earth do you imagine they could win? This isn’t spitball, here, Trump’s lawyers were either good or they had no case. What in between do you see? In ALL the jurisdictions? Horrific corruption across multiple states and jurisdictions? Really?!?

          Look, Trump could have stopped a lot of the steal months prior to the elections. But he either thought he had it in the bag or thought that he had it in the bag. He dropped the ball. There is no way he lost 2020 without HIS OWN ineptitude. Why did he and his DOJ allow states to break their own freaking laws, go against their own constitutions, to install covid-era voting shenanigans?

          Trump backed the covid crap lockdowns and voting changes (many that broke state laws), he didn’t blink a bit when these covid “voting allowances” were put in place in multiple key states. Trump screwed up. Royally. And there is no way on God’s green earth that DeSantis would be that stupid. Or that arrogant. Or that led by the nose by deep staters who literally HATE him. Trump was played. Hard. Right under his own nose. He lost by his own hubris and stupidity. He was a sucker.

          Ironclaw in reply to Ironclaw. | August 5, 2023 at 4:00 pm

          You are talking about cases which were declined standing and never reached the evidentiary phase. Hence they were not allowed to present any evidence. Are you that hard of reading?

          Ironclaw in reply to Ironclaw. | August 5, 2023 at 4:01 pm

          Actually, no, he coudn’t have stopped the steal in advance. How would you presume to force a state to actually follow it’s own laws when they have a legal decision that says not to?

        They did t fail, they weren’t allowed to

        I really didn’t get people with law backgrounds not understanding this simply and true statement

          MarkS in reply to gonzotx. | August 5, 2023 at 8:22 am

          To the best of my knowledge, no court allowed a hearing, much less a trial on the grounds that a candidate for office has no standing to challenge an election. Maybe Fuzzy can tell us which court had a trial where Trump was allowed to present evidence of his claims

      And he is correct.

      ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to inspectorudy. | August 4, 2023 at 9:47 pm

      “All he said was voter fraud had not been proven.”

      That’s not what he said.

      “did not prove to be true” means “ended up being false” in plain English.

      “did not prove to be true” is NOT equal to “were not proven”.

      Maybe he misspoke but what he said carried the meaning that the theories ended up being shown false.

      ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to inspectorudy. | August 4, 2023 at 9:52 pm

      To be a little clearer,

      “did not prove to be” means did not end up being”.

      Example, “The strategy did not prove to be the correct one.” That means that it ended up being the INCORRECT/wrong strategy – i.e. did not work. It does not mean that the strategy was “not proven”.

      The use of “prove to be” in these sorts of phrases means “ended up being (shown to be)”, not “proven” as in the logical sense.

      Ironclaw in reply to inspectorudy. | August 5, 2023 at 1:03 am

      Actually, DeSantis DID say that. “All those theories that were put out did not prove to be true,” Direct quote there. He said nothing about PROVING a damn thing, he said they were not true.

        And to what theories was he referring?

          Ironclaw in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 5, 2023 at 4:06 pm

          We’ve already established that and I’m pointing out that he was not, in fact, referring to proving a damn thing legally. He simply said they were not true, which is a lie. We know they’re true, the pedophile was cheated into his illegitimate office. I’m guessing you must like having a pedophile supposedly serving your interests. I don’t, and it disgusts me to look at that sick fuck.

        CommoChief in reply to Ironclaw. | August 5, 2023 at 11:37 am

        Which theories were proven true? Not supposition or inference or deductive reasoning. Actually proven beyond reasonable doubt.

        When you can list out the particular ballots that were unlawful and shouldn’t have been accepted much less counted out of all ballots cast and the total # exceeds the margin of victory let us know. That would be the proof needed to alter the election results.

        Before you do so, simply saying all ballots from drop boxes or all ballots received after X date/time does not ID the particular ballots you want to disqualify.

        Once the ‘bad’ ballots are accepted and counted they are mixed in with ‘good’ ballots. There’s not a mechanism to undo anything at this point on the scale needed. These were State wide races not a dog catcher race in a small hamlet of 400 voters.

          Ironclaw in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 4:08 pm

          Difficult to prove anything when you are denied standing and not allowed to present any sort of evidence. That was the default outcome of practically all cases because the judges were not at all interested.

          What that taught scumbags that put their pedophile in office that way is very simple. Cheat all you want and then stonewall for a month when caught. They’ll swear in your pedophile and we’ll never see an honest election again.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 5:45 pm


          Indeed, it is impossible to prove the claims. Which brings us back to square one, the claims haven’t proven to be true and DeSantis is correct in pointing that out.

          That’s a separate question from whether we strongly suspect based on available info that shenanigans occurred.

          Is there anyone who believes the 2020 election was administered competently, run by the book, to the letter and spirit of the statutes passed by the State Legislatures and that no one cheated?

          Certainly DeSantis doesn’t b/c he specifically pointed out the mal administration of the elections in some jurisdictions.

          Ironclaw in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 9:56 pm

          If he believes the pedophile cheated, he certainly doesn’t have the balls to say so.. In that case I have no use for him.

          Ironclaw in reply to CommoChief. | August 6, 2023 at 12:35 am

          So what you’re saying is that if they manage to cheat long enough to mix in the fraudulent ballots that we just just let that stand and let their pedophile destroy the country? Geez, with friends like you who needs enemies?

1. Coincidence that 5 swing states stopped counting votes early am when Trump was ahead?

2. See that mule movie?

    chrisboltssr in reply to walls. | August 4, 2023 at 6:10 pm

    Exactly to question 1. There had never been an explanation for that and we’re all supposed to believe that this is an utter coincidence. Sorry, no. On election night Trump was up in all the states, then four states all just stopped counting their votes at the same time and said they would resume in the morning. Next morning, Trump’s lead was completely wiped out and they never looked back.

    Everyone knows Biden didn’t win by 81,000,000 votes.

      amwick in reply to chrisboltssr. | August 4, 2023 at 6:28 pm

      They counted ballots, not votes. And they are gearing up to do it again.. I have the utmost respect for Scott Presler, I don’t think that anyone has worked harder than he has… But he is looking at a bandaid at best.. Bless and keep him.

      Charles Cicchetti, Harvard PhD and statistician, calculated that with Trump’s lead in the 5 swing states as of 3am on 11/4, factoring in the percentage of votes remaining to be counted, that the odds of Biden winning was one in a quadrillion…..are we supposed to believe that a candidate that spent the campaign in his basement, and could only draw a crowd of 10 people when he did venture out, got 81 million legal votes?

        gonzotx in reply to MarkS. | August 5, 2023 at 10:07 am


        CommoChief in reply to MarkS. | August 5, 2023 at 11:43 am

        Which of those 81 million ballots are unlawful?

        That’s the issue. We ‘know’ how it happened but there’s no real way to prove it down to disqualifying a particular ballot as ‘bad’ once they are accepted, mixed into the ‘good’ ballots and counted.

        It’s frustrating as hell and we should be upset. Hopefully everyone knowing steam here is working to clean up their local County voter registration rolls. The bad ballots are generated from the universe of bad registrations. Get rid of bad registrations and the universe of available ballots to monkey around with dries up.

          Ironclaw in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 4:11 pm

          Considering that they just and a mail-in-only election here a couple of months ago, I have no confidence that anything has been cleaned up, will be, or that we have any hope of an honest outcome.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 7:19 pm

          In some State the voters put into office Legislatures and Executives who never allowed mass mail ballots. I other States voters demanded a roll back of the mail in balloting of 2020.

          Other places folks weren’t as successful and in a few places people didn’t even try to force politicians to stop or roll back mail in balloting.

    txvet2 in reply to walls. | August 4, 2023 at 6:36 pm

    That was absolutely cheating/fraud. Any counting after the Republican poll watchers were tossed out of the counting rooms should have been declared invalid and should have triggered recounts.

      MarkS in reply to txvet2. | August 5, 2023 at 8:30 am

      GA sent everyone home and then pulled some cases of ballots from underneath a table and started counting

There are farfetched and unsupported theories about fraud in 2020. But the thing needing investigations is – what happened to the undeliverable ballots in the swing states when they were returned to the post office? If you want to fill out a bunch of ballots illegally and dump them in drop boxes, this is where you would get them – from your friendly postal union rep.

    healthguyfsu in reply to The_Mew_Cat. | August 4, 2023 at 10:18 pm

    Yes and all of that farfetched nonsense provided the perfect cover to sweep the real fraud under the rug.

    It sucks caucusing with idiots that can’t keep their mouths shut to try and actually build something before spouting angry ranting horseshit. They are their own worst enemy and the country’s as well.

angrywebmaster | August 4, 2023 at 6:17 pm

He could have been a contender. Now? He took a dive.

    inspectorudy in reply to angrywebmaster. | August 4, 2023 at 9:03 pm

    How? Explain his dive. Because he stated the truth, that voter fraud had not been proven? It hasn’t.

      it was proven everytime that Republican observers were kicked out of counting areas, and paper was put on the windows to block the view of the counting process, and no it wasn’t photoshopped

        CommoChief in reply to MarkS. | August 5, 2023 at 11:47 am

        We can infer bad intentions and bad actions but we can’t prove them simply based on kicking out observers.

        If the question is do we all suspect that the d/prog were up to shenanigans when they blocked observers? Hell yes and twice on Sunday but that’s still not proof.

          Mauiobserver in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 2:47 pm

          But if by some miracle the GOP wins in 2024 appoint a special prosecutor to investigate voter fraud in say Fulton county or PHL. Subpoena email and text records from Dem officials and workers in those sites. Have Fed prosecutors question workers particularly those facing charges or investigations for other crimes and see if some of them don’t spill the beans.

          No guarantees, but I would bet that an aggressive investigation would uncover substantial evidence of fraud and violations of election law.

          Ironclaw in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 4:13 pm

          If the GOP had done the same thing, you would have no shortage of people taking that as proof of wrongdoing. I will not give the benefit of the doubt to a bunch of shitbags that support a pedophile.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 7:21 pm

          By all means if we can actually prove crimes from a more thorough investigation let’s be doing it hard and fast to put criminals into prison. All for it.

          Ironclaw in reply to CommoChief. | August 6, 2023 at 12:51 pm

          Why do you think no real investigations were allowed. They already knew their pedophile’s “win” wouldn’t stand up to real scrutiny. The truth likes being challenged, lies hate being questioned.

The question will never stop being asked. It does serve a purpose. Internecine bickering fragments us, it’s a purpose-built pitfall to contain us.

Just showed that he is phony, controlled opposition.

    txvet2 in reply to Eric R.. | August 4, 2023 at 6:47 pm

    No, it shows that he knows the difference between allegations and proof. We know that the Dems stole the 2020 election, but as far as I know, it is yet to be proven anywhere in court just how they did it – mainly, because the Dems control those states and won’t ever investigate themselves.

    inspectorudy in reply to Eric R.. | August 4, 2023 at 9:05 pm

    How? It’s easy to throw bombs but hard to tell us why. What did he say that was false?

      Ironclaw in reply to inspectorudy. | August 5, 2023 at 4:15 pm

      If what he said is what he believes, then what he believes is that the sElection in 2020 was honest, and that makes him too stupid for me to support.

    inspectorudy in reply to Eric R.. | August 4, 2023 at 9:09 pm

    Oh, do you mean “Big Money” or the “Globalist”? Let’s see why that would be one of their request of DeSantis. It would make the MAGASs see red which is obvious on this site. It would make moderate Dems vote for him. It would make them a lot of money like Disney did having him do their bidding. Any more crackpot theories on why he is controlled opposition?

Mauiobserver | August 4, 2023 at 6:28 pm

Trump got almost 10 million more vote in 2020 than in 2016 so his base as well as blue collar and middle class voters showed up at the polls.

Biden got 81 million ballots but I doubt that even hardcore Democrat operatives really believe that he got anywhere near that number of real voters choosing him.

I like and support Ron DeSantis–but this is not how you win a national election. Not now. Ramaswamy is outflanking him and likely will be #2 soon.

You do not have to like Donald Trump to realize the prosecutions of him are wrong and OTT. That is the message DeSantis should be responding too, not getting into nuance over what fraud happened in 2020.

Dems won by changing the rules due to Covid and engaging in ballot harvesting and vote by mail. I am sure fraud happened, but proving it is way harder.

    alaskabob in reply to EBL. | August 4, 2023 at 6:50 pm

    Charlie Kirk recommended that the Republican candidates stand in unison in New York outside while Trump was booked. None came. Now we have one that did…Ramaswamy. Support the true rule of law does not mean having to vote for anyone. Desantis will not sway Dems with silence.

    txvet2 in reply to EBL. | August 4, 2023 at 6:56 pm

    “”not getting into nuance over what fraud happened in 2020. “”

    If I read the article correctly, he was apparently asked directly. If he’d avoided answering, he’d be getting pilloried for that by the same people.

    inspectorudy in reply to EBL. | August 4, 2023 at 9:18 pm

    Spoken like a true Trump supporter. Never self-reflect or ask questions of the Man but attack everyone else who has a normal life with very few crimes or other scandalous affairs. DeSantis has been asked this stupid question a hundred times and all he said was that voter fraud was not proven. I suppose next he should be talking about Trump and all of his unfair indictments? Do you understand that he is also running for office? Do you really think any sane candidate, other than Ramyswamy would mention it constantly? He is looking for a job in Trump’s cabinet just like half of the other primary candidates are. What good would it do for DeSantis to talk about Trump and how he is getting mistreated by the DoJ and voter fraud while he is campaigning? None!

      Ironclaw in reply to inspectorudy. | August 5, 2023 at 4:18 pm

      No, he did NOT say it was not proven. He said it did not happen and those are two very different things. What he said makes him no better a choice that the pedophile in the white house right now.

It was unauditable. No chain of custody, plus use of machines.

Machines are the theoretical killer, using a hacking method publicly laid out in the 70s. They do something other than what you tell them to do, even if you carefully check and verify the program, if a hacker has been nearby.

Technically the compiler doesn’t produce the code that your program tells it to produce; and the same problem applies to the compiler and the program that says what it should do when compiling a program, the hacker having had access to development of the compiler.

The same principle applies to assemblers and even microcode. With enough motivation, it will be hacked.

See Ken Thompson’s Turing Lecture, “On Trusting Trust” for the method.

So DeSantis is in principle wrong, not only factually. Courts by and large have passed on getting involved. This is the first time Trump has had standing to press the issue.

    inspectorudy in reply to rhhardin. | August 4, 2023 at 9:23 pm

    No, he is not wrong. It has not been proven in a court of law that there was massive voter fraud. TGP and other crackpot sites constantly put out clickbait for the simple-minded who want to hear every detail of voter fraud but it has not been proven in court and that is what DeSantis was saying.

    “So DeSantis is in principle wrong, not only factually. Courts by and large have passed on getting involved. This is the first time Trump has had standing to press the issue.”

    What principle are you talking about? If the courts have passed on this issue how is that it has been proven in a court? That quote makes me think of Kamala Harris!

      that’s because it never been adjudicated in any court of law,..Remember Roberts being quoted as saying that he was afraid of the Left rioting if he took Trump’s challenge?

Right Ron. That must be it. I suppose you also believe Epstein killed himself?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair | August 4, 2023 at 7:01 pm

“All those theories that were put out did not prove to be true,” Mr. DeSantis said in response to a reporter’s question after a campaign event at a brewery in Northeast Iowa.

… based on what??

I really like DeSantis but that is just a moronic thing to say. The election of 2020 was a complete farce. A criminal vegetable hiding in his basement got 81 million votes … with tons of them being mail-in votes dropped off at anonymous boxes or just showing up in tranches of 150,000 100% Biden votes at 3am after counting had been stopped and no one was allowed to see what was going on.

DeSantis needs to take a rest. This is retarded.

    He’s trying to weasel word his answer.
    On the one side is “proven not to be true,” which is factually incorrect.
    On the other side is “never proven,” which is technically correct (in that such evidence never made it past a judge or jury).
    He tried to split the middle with “not proven to be true,” which is semantically equivalent to #2, but sounds like #1.
    Personally, I think he out-clevered himself. He should have just said “never proven.”

      ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to henrybowman. | August 4, 2023 at 7:45 pm

      He didn’t weasel correctly. Nothing was ever “proven not to be true”. It is not factually correct.

      Courts refused to hear most cases and almost nothing ever got any actual investigation. They threw cases out for standing or other technical issues, the same as with all challenges to Barky’s natural born citizen status (all of which were reasonable and important challenges).

      Sadly, our courts are filled with traitors and cowards. There are a handful of decent, honest judges with integrity and courage, but only a handful.

      ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to henrybowman. | August 4, 2023 at 7:51 pm

      Sorry, I veered off a little there.

      “did not prove to be true” was a poor weaseling that is, itself, completely untrue.

      But I disagree that he should have said “never proven”. He should have just stated the obvious that the fraud and deception and suspicious behavior surrounding the 2020 election was clear and uncontestable. We all saw all the s**t they pulled and we all saw how they abused the laws and changed the rules on a whim to make voting very much like shopping in California. The rules they changed for the elections were the same as the rules they changed for crimes and we all see how the behavior in the cities has gone. The same happened with the criminal scum running the elections.

    Ok, once again, where has it been proven? Show us all the link that says “Voter fraud has been proven”. I’m not talking about the math professors who that show what happened is not mathematically possible. Or the computer experts that show glitches in the counting. I’m asking where DeSantis is wrong. I know it was stolen but it has not been proven in a court of law no matter what you claim.

      ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to inspectorudy. | August 4, 2023 at 9:42 pm

      “did not prove to be true” is not the same thing as “was not proven”.

      “did not prove to be true” means “ended up being false”. That’s how that phrase works in English.

      Further, cases using probabilities and statistics to prove causation (to the court) have been many in our system. Almost every single case about racism in employment (or other discrimination) are almost all based on this sort of data, rather than actual proofs of causation. Civil suits are rife with even more specious “data” being taken as “proof” by courts to find causation and liability.

      There was more than enough evidence of all sorts to warrant full investigations and complete discovery … but our courts refused to take those cases or allow any of that. And we all know that what was done before the elections with the various courts and executives issuing dictats (because the wuhan virus gave them all super-powers that no one could contest or challenge) was as un-Constitutional and illegal and criminal as it comes. Period. There was no question about that and that, by itself, warrants full audits of all the elections that anyone would challenge.

      I really can’t take much of your attitude and fuzzy’s which amounts to, essentially, “sure, there was fraud and a coup that gave control of AMerica to a bunch of insane commies … but, that’s over and no one can contest an election after a few weeks because … something something … so please stop talking about the election that we know was stolen by AMerica-hating lunatics who have gone on to make minced meat of our nation.”

      I mean, that sort of position is crazy. And just plain silly.

      gonzotx in reply to inspectorudy. | August 4, 2023 at 10:28 pm

      It wasn’t allowed to be proven

      And you already know that

        CommoChief in reply to gonzotx. | August 5, 2023 at 11:50 am

        Thank you for admitting that it wasn’t proven to be true, which means DeSantis is correct.

          Ironclaw in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 4:24 pm

          No, he’s not because that’s not what he said. He just put himself on the same side as the pedophile in chief and the vice whore. That’s pretty poor company and I, for one, will not support anyone who stands with those sick fucks.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 8:55 pm

          B/C he said the theories in general and the Venezuela/Maduro hacking voting machines theory in particular had not been proven?

          News flash, they have not been proven. Even y’all admit they haven’t been proven.

          That’s a separate question from whether we believe that mal administration occurred in running the 2020 election. It did. DeSantis spoke to that and pointed it out.

          That mal administration comprised bad voter registration lists, mailed ballots, lack of Voter ID, poor or no signature match, all sorts of things that we ‘know’ occurred.

          The issue is linking a particular ballot to those activities once it has been accounted, mixed in with legit ballots and counted.

          Proof means demonstrating that these particular ballots are illegal in a convincing enough fashion to persuade a CT to throw those ballots out. Suspicion, even well founded suspicion, isn’t proof.

          Ironclaw in reply to CommoChief. | August 6, 2023 at 12:43 am

          Too late now. Ron is dead to me. Even if he does end up at the top of the ticket, I’ll stay home rather than voting for f*cking traitor that sides with the pedophile in cheif and the vice whore. I’ve already done it multiple tmes. I never wasted a vote on McCain the traitor RINO piece of shit. I never wasted a vote on Romney the RINO traitor piece of shit, I never wasted a vote on either one of the Bush RINO pieces of shit and I never wasted a vote on that worthless piece of shit Dole who just happened to be from my home State at the time, so I knew what a worthless piece of shit he was. I don’t have to vote for a RINO piece of shit, I can just stay home.

          What do I care if the communists destroy the country? It’s already dead, nobody has yet bothered to notice it yet.

If various states collude to unconstitutionally change the rules of a potus election, would not the net result be ‘stolen’ – if not outright unconstitutional?

Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the US Constitution:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress:

“the Legislature thereof may direct.” The legislature. Not the governor. Not the SoS. Not the state supreme court. The. Legislature.

Yet, 5 key states by-passed their state legislatures to change the method and manner of voting during the election. If that’s not stealing an election, then it is definitely unconstitutional, and therefore disqualifies those results.

It’s right there in B&W, citizens: Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the US Constitution. We either have laws we all follow or we simply have a banana republic – if you can keep it.

    ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to LB1901. | August 4, 2023 at 7:41 pm

    And Amy Phoney Barrett’s first act as SCOTUS justice was to recuse herself from the all-important Pennsylvania case, where the legislature was suing to have its rightful power to dictate election law restored. Because of her idiotic recusal, the SCOTUS went 4-4 and Pennsylvania got to keep all of its loony election dictats by the governor and courts that allowed PA ballots to be counted if they were submitted on soiled toilet paper and flushed at some point before November 23rd … or 24th … or 25th …

      Yup. Of the limited constitutional responsibilities the scotus should pursue, Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 is at the top of their list to opine, and insist on the letter of the law. Scotus had Just. One. Job., but instead, they punted.

      Dobbs, Dobbs, who leaked the Dobbs decision, Chief Justice John Roberts?

DeSantis: Theories of Dems Stealing 2020 Presidential Election ‘Did Not Prove to be True’ (

True the Vote proved beyond any reasonable doubt that the 2020 election WAS stolen. Systematic stuffing of ballot drop-boxes in 5 key counties by Democratic Party operatives (“5000 Mules,” and yes, they even proved who did it), provided far more than enough illegal Biden votes to flip 5 key states from Trump to Biden, upending what was, on an honest count, an Electoral College landslide for Trump.

3 years of JoeBama have cemented those election stealing mechanisms much more firmly in place. These are totalitarian communist usurpers, led by actual current president and lifelong actual literal communist Barack Hussein Obama.

For DeSantis to turn a blind eye to this actual predicament is utterly disqualifying. Except for this fatal flaw, I’m a huge DeSantis supporter, but we are obviously headed towards another steal, and someone who refuses to acknowledge the last will be utterly unable to lead the fight against the coming steal. On this most crucial issue, DeSantis has tied both of his own hands behind his back.

Obviously we all must back DeSantis to the hilt if he gets the nomination. To “never” a conservative candidate in preference to a different conservative candidate is a despicable treason against one’s own side that deserves its own white-hot hatred.

I hate the racist, communist, Islamofascist Obama because he is a traitor to my country, but he was never a traitor to his own side. He is an orthodox Islamofascist, an actual member of the Muslim Brotherhood/ al Qaeda, according to the Brotherhood itself.

That makes Obama the biggest enemy, but he is not a member of that “special circle of Hell” as Dante put it, that is reserved for the Jonah Goldbergs, the David Frenches, the Bill Barrs, the Mike Pences and the GW Bushes.

Never say never to the lesser evil, just because he is weaker than an unavailable better good. The problem is that DeSantis cannot save us. He might even be able to garner more votes than Trump, but that doesn’t matter. That isn’t the battle.

Both Trump and DeSantis would easily win on an honest count of the vote. The problem is that our elections are being systematically stolen. That needs to be the central election issue — election integrity — because that is what we are up against, and anyone who pretends otherwise is simply handing permanent totalitarian power to the usurpers who are currently in power.

We have already fallen. We have already been usurped. Whether we actually have any chance to get it back is highly speculative, but we obviously have to try, and pretending we have not been usurped is not trying.

DeSantis staked out this position to be anti-Trump, and he’s committed to it. If he acknowledges that Trump actually won the 2020 election, he would be almost forced to support Trump, which is what he obviously should have done.

He could even have run on that basis: “They have weaponized every arm of government against Trump, so fighting back is going to require an alternate candidate, and that is me.” Then he could have become a general in the upcoming election integrity battle.

Instead he disqualified himself from that most crucial service, turning himself instead into a liability for that actual legal and moral battle that is coming.

    The reason that Biden got 81 million votes was not that 81 million voters wanted Biden to be President. It was because they didn’t want Trump to be President. The same way that voters didn’t want Hillary to be President.

      They did not want him so much that he outperformed any incumbent ever.

      There’s plenty of evidence there were 81 million ballots, as compared to voters. After all the corruption that has been exposed, it’s interesting that some still swallow that Biden reveived 81 million votes. Of course it was just anti-Trump. Next they will praise Bidenomics!

      Ironclaw in reply to JR. | August 6, 2023 at 12:45 am

      ‘The reason that pedophile got 81 million ballots was fraud, and nothing else.

    CommoChief in reply to AlecRawls. | August 4, 2023 at 9:10 pm


    Lets stipulate that there were ballots put into the drop boxes which were not cast by eligible voters. (FWIW I believe this to be true).

    We can infer that on a balance of probability that d/prog were stuffing ballots from invalid registration that they acquired unlawfully as well as some they bought unlawfully. We can infer they would have cast the ballot for Biden but we can’t definitively say that this particular ballot was cast for candidate X v candidate Y simply b/c it came from a drop box.

    Once a ‘bad’ ballot is accepted and counted it is now mixed in with the ‘good’ ballots. The secret ballot leaves us no way to trace a ballot to once it is mixed in. That’s the problem here. We ‘know’ how this likely happened but there’s no real way to prove it on a ballot by ballot basis. Throwing out an election to hold a do over before the ‘winning’ candidate is certified or inaugurated as President is not realistic; IMO it will never happen.

    The only way to mitigate this is to purge the voter registration lists of ineligible registrations. Get rid of the those and there’s no easy supply of ‘bad’ or excess ballots floating around to be scooped up by the d/prog machine and counted. The only shot is make it hard to gather excess bad ballots by eliminating the extra supply of bad ballots that come from an invalid voter registration.

    inspectorudy in reply to AlecRawls. | August 4, 2023 at 9:30 pm

    Blah blah blah, we all know that but it has not been proven where it counts, in court. DeSantis did not say there was no voter fraud, he said it had not been proven. meaning in court. Why do you all go out of your way to try and make something out of this nothing burger? You aren’t helping Trump with this crap and you won’t hurt DeSantis with it either.

      Ironclaw in reply to inspectorudy. | August 4, 2023 at 10:03 pm

      Does Santa’s hurt himself with it, no Trump supporters are going to switch to him, even if Trump is out of the race. On the basis of this I will not ever be casting a ballot for that man he’s already proven he has no balls

        CommoChief in reply to Ironclaw. | August 5, 2023 at 11:52 am

        Balls enough to volunteer to put on a uniform and serve which is a fairly large contrast to other candidates who chose not to do so.

          Ironclaw in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 4:31 pm

          He was a f*cking lawyer… Did you think he was getting shot at? Doesn’t take much balls to sit in a JAGoff office anywhere in the world and risk a purple heart from paper cuts.

          I’d also venture that that uniform has nowhere near the same meaning it used to. The ONLY thing that came out of my own service that I consider to be good is that it placed me in the right place and at the right time to meet my wife. The rest of it was a complete and utter waste of my time, energy and patriotism. This country is dead, the pedophile and those who cheated him into office killed it And now DeSantis put his stamp of approval on that.. Mourn it, but bury it and move on.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 9:06 pm

          ‘He was a lawyer’? He wore the uniform in time of war on active duty. He volunteered to serve, which did in contrast to other candidates.

          If you’re that upset b/c DeSantis wasn’t an infantry officer……. Boy are you gonna be PO to hear about the other candidates who refused to serve at all. One very prominent name among them sought several deferments.

          Glad some good came from your service but attempting to project onto DeSantis the actions and failures of others is ludicrous. Each of us is only responsible for what we chose To do and for what we chose Not to do.

          Ironclaw in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 10:11 pm

          He saw as much combat as I did, which is none. He spent his time “in country” in an air-conditioned office risking paper cuts. Like I said, if it weren’t for meeting my wife, I would consider the six years I spent in the air force to be a complete waste of my time and talents.

          What I saw of the slime that runs the military these days matches the slime the runs the country these days. That uniform does not now, and has not for a long time, been a symbol of honorable service. It means you bow to slime and have to salute a pedophile. There is not a young man or woman in this entire country that I would suggest volunteering for military service anymore, it simply makes you a pawn. That goes double for any member of my family, they would not get my blessing.

          If the Feral government called me tomorrow and wanted anything, the answer is no. I don’t care what it is. They are my enemy, and I don’t assist the enemy.

      gonzotx in reply to inspectorudy. | August 4, 2023 at 10:24 pm


    gonzotx in reply to AlecRawls. | August 4, 2023 at 10:26 pm

    No we all must support the dick


Well, I guess I was wrong about this guy.

    healthguyfsu in reply to Dathurtz. | August 4, 2023 at 10:28 pm


    You were part of the Trumpets

    The receipts are there.

      Dathurtz in reply to healthguyfsu. | August 5, 2023 at 8:16 am

      You’re both a fool and a useless polemicist and I see no value to engaging one of your stripe.

      For others: Yes, I prefer Trump to Desantis and always have. Me and about 2/3 of people who tend to vote Republican, it seems. I never disliked Desantis and, in fact, think rather highly of his work in Florida. I don’t particularly care about “big donors” or think that makes him any more compromised than any other politician.

      I do strongly object to this statement. Anybody that can’t admit the 2020 election was stolen is unworthy to lead any Republican/conservative, hell, any American party. The biggest issue in our country right now is that our government has been (long) usurped by criminal enterprise

      That’s one of my big criticisms of Trump, too. We all saw it coming, so why wasn’t it dealt with beforehand? That was abject and catastrophic failure.

        healthguyfsu in reply to Dathurtz. | August 5, 2023 at 1:44 pm

        Wriggle this one through your pseudointellectual, conspiracy-adled brain then.

        If there really is this big evil criminal uniparty cabal, wouldn’t they be rigging polls to do what they want, including Trump in the lead right now? Why would you trust those polls? Because they have the guy you like winning? That’s a very cultist take with both self-serving and self-destructive repercussions.

        Do you understand why you need real, hard, quality evidence to make a case for such serious allegations about rigging? No one will trust your side if you claim everything against you is rigged but everything for you is somehow real. That’s exactly what Trump tries to do constantly in a very self-serving fashion, and you are lapping it up like his loyal puppy dog. His bullshit somehow convinces a pile of useful idiots to fervently believe in him but isolates everyone else. That’s cult-like psychology.

        So, go ahead and turn those little shiny wheels you imagine you have in your head and come up with a cogent argument that passes the adult logic test before you come with a bunch of weak, crackpot shit about what a candidate should say when looking to actually move forward rather than speak to the insecurities of a cult following.

        Further, recognize that it’s possible to have fractured, evil factions on both sides of the political divide and Trump is just one self-serving idiot that tilted at both at the same time. Yeah, he thought he could do something and that would have been great, but he failed miserably and repeatedly. He also continues to do more harm than good by dragging any other chances down. He really is the gift that keeps on giving…to Dems.

          Dathurtz in reply to healthguyfsu. | August 5, 2023 at 7:00 pm

          You are a fool because you are unable to think outside of the flawed mental categories you have created. You put people into a group and then impute to them the characteristics you have assigned to that group.

          You have nothing to offer to any thinking person except to serve as a cautionary example. Now, go do or say whatever you have to do to make yourself feel superior to all the little heathen who don’t care what you think.

        healthguyfsu in reply to Dathurtz. | August 5, 2023 at 7:28 pm

        ” Me and about 2/3 of people who tend to vote Republican, it seems.”

        Dathurtz: Believe this

        “I do strongly object to this statement. Anybody that can’t admit the 2020 election was stolen is unworthy to lead any Republican/conservative, hell, any American party”

        Dathurtz: Don’t believe that.

        There’s your self-serving bullshit if you need me to spell it out for you.

        Go on, now, continue in your tiny box of imagined objectivity.

Ron’s real
Name shall be “Dick”

thad_the_man | August 4, 2023 at 8:14 pm

We are seeing an interesting three way competition to see who can accomplish their task first.

Biden to destroy the US,
Zelensky to destroy Ukraine.
DeSantis to destroy his career.

The Supreme Court should have decided Texas v. Pennsylvania, which would have addressed the matter directly of whther the shenanigans were Constitutional. In the vacuum, no one really knows, so may rely on experience and lying eyes.

Without a return to paper ballots and same day (weekend), in person voting, the results cannot and should not be trusted.

To be honest, I’ll be very surprised if they

    Ironclaw in reply to Ironclaw. | August 4, 2023 at 10:04 pm

    Actually have elections next november. I think the pedophile in Chief will find some way to not have them, some sort of decoration of emergency or whatnot. The Republic is dead, time to kill off our enemies and then build the next thing

Who said anything about Maduro changing votes, Governor Straw Man?

What was said was that hundreds of thousands of old names on voter rolls were reassigned zip codes based on the 2010 census distribution and then mail-in ballots were sent to them in central non-residential places that the Post Office picked up and delivered to mules who then shoved the ballots in collection boxes and under the table in the polls of the six states that — surprise! — stopped counting at 10:00 pm on the button on election night and continued the count after Republican poll watchers were ejected and the counting stations sealed off with cardboard.

And then Biden pulls out the most votes in history, after the popular incumbent gets ELEVEN MILLION MORE VOTES than in 2016.

But, of course, when your financier threatens to pull his support money unless you switch to a more moderate position to attract Democrats, then this is the result.

Did Biden get 81 million votes, or, was it 81 million ballots?

I do wish when the liberal media put the question to republican pols and candidates, they would respond with questions … like … what’s your perspective on 5 states suspending counting for the day, and in the morning before counting resumed, the 5 states flipped from Trump to Biden? How did the vote totals change when there was no counting? When you provide a reasonable answer to that question, I’ll answer your question. Until then? FO.

    txvet2 in reply to MrE. | August 5, 2023 at 1:08 am

    In other words, you don’t know WTF you’re talking about.

      I mean, dumb ass, pols shot themselves in the foot to cleverly (weasel-word) an answer to a clearly pejorative kafka trapping question from interviewers. They should flip the script – solicit a committed answer from the interviewer first. Refuse to answer a question they themselves won’t answer. But I’m sure that was over your head.

      Ironclaw in reply to txvet2. | August 5, 2023 at 4:38 pm

      No, I’d say he proved pretty handily that he DOES know what he’s talking about. That is what happened. They shut down counting which I don’t recall having ever seen in the nearly 50 years I’ve been watching elections. Then, when they “reopened” counting, somehow the pedophile Biden was in the lead when supposedly they had not been counting. So I’d say that asking how the totals changed when there was no counting would be a very on-point question.

Once you see the strings, you cannot unsee them… can you

Shows he doesn’t have the fight in him. Disqualifying.

    Or it shows that he’s smart enough to pick winnable fights, unlike Trump.

      Ironclaw in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 5, 2023 at 1:07 am

      Taking the communist line that they didn’t steal the election just lost him 30% or more of the republican vote. He cannot win like that.

      Ironclaw in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 5, 2023 at 1:08 am

      At least Trump fights rather than just playing along.

        Trump fights for Trump. You get that, right?

          ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 5, 2023 at 3:46 am

          You are really beyond help.

          Are you convinced that Trump ran over your cat, or something?

          Trump put his fortune at risk to run for the Presidency. He lost lots of business and risked his own freedom, as we all can see – maybe you can’t, but everyone else can see it.

          You don’t have to like him but … seriously. You need to get a grip. I don’t know what your issue is but it has nothing to do with Trump.

          A succinct definition of Trump’s worldview. Sometimes his fights overlap with mine, and I support him. Sometimes his fights are ‘wtf is wrong w/u, dood?’, and I don’t support him.

          Trump is spending a lot of time in the latter, lately.

          Ironclaw in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 5, 2023 at 4:41 pm

          I that were the case, Trump would have a much easier life because he could have just sat back at his clubs and enjoyed his old age with his grandkids. Certainly that would have been an easier life than being constantly harassed with illegitimate investigations, witch hunts and bullshit indictments.

          Have you ever thought to ask yourself why it is that all of the most evil people in the history of the world, on both sides, hate this one guy so much?

        CommoChief in reply to Ironclaw. | August 5, 2023 at 11:57 am

        When Trump had the opportunity to fight to fulfill his signature campaign promise of building a border wall he chose not to do so.

        He could have used his VETO on the budget which Ryan and McConnell sent him that lacked funding. Instead he rolled over and took it.

        If he wouldn’t fight with the tools at his disposal to fulfill his signature campaign promise to voters I don’t want to hear about how he is a fighter.

          Mauiobserver in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 3:02 pm

          That wouldn’t work. Too many in Congress GOPe as well as Dems are for open borders and amnesty. The only chance he had to get it funded by Congress would have been a reconciliation bill but McConnell, Romney, Cheney and others simply would not vote for American sovereignty and protection of American business and workers.

          He used executive powers to do some work and private individuals made attempts which recently resulted in several of them being sentenced to prison in NY. The uniparty is very powerful ruthless and utterly vindicative.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | August 5, 2023 at 9:23 pm

          Not even close.

          They need a 2/3 majority to over ride the Veto. They wouldn’t have gotten it unless you believe that the GoP majority in the Senate and the HoR would have been willing to do so while the President is telling the Nation he is trying to deliver on his campaign promise.

          Somehow I don’t see Ryan and McConnell mustering up the needed 2/3 majority to over ride the Veto in the face of Trump choosing to fight in public and his supporters raising all manner of hell.

          If they did manage/decide to work with d/prog to deliver a 2/3 majority to over ride that Veto then they would have destroyed the GoP and split the weak moderate types (the 40 who retired in ’18).

          All hell would have broken loose in those Congressional Districts and everyone would have had a serious, well funded primary challenger backed by a super motivated group of voters PO this ass clown blocked the border wall.

          Ironclaw in reply to CommoChief. | August 6, 2023 at 2:59 am

          So somehow it’s Trump’s fault that the Congress, which he is not a member of and cannot control, didn’t do THEIR job?

If somehow DeSantis is the nomination for the Republican party he will see how much vote fraud the Deep State and Cultural Marxists can put up.
Remember 81 million loved Old Joe in 2020

    Ironclaw in reply to Skip. | August 5, 2023 at 4:44 pm

    And he’ll do it without most of Trump’s base. The only way he gets there is through Trump.

There is (at least) one not too many not in the first sentence:
“Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis does [not] think the theories out there about Democrats stealing the 2020 presidential election are [not] true:”

Also, from the following quote, not knowing the question posed, he might have been talking about certain theories about servers in Germany and other out-there-theories, and not have spoke to there being (untechnically speaking) fraud at all.

    Felix in reply to Felix. | August 5, 2023 at 5:48 am

    At least one ‘not’ too many in my first sentence, too. Foiled again be the non-existent edit button.

    Dathurtz in reply to Felix. | August 5, 2023 at 8:23 am

    I hope it is something like that. I think that whole “We got the HDs from foreign servers, wait two more weeks to see them!” stuff was absolutely bonkers.

    There was a lot of real and obvious cheating that was testified to, much of it under oath. I think Desantis was including that.

    gonzotx in reply to Felix. | August 5, 2023 at 9:58 am

    Boy your grasping for straws

SeekingRationalThought | August 5, 2023 at 9:20 am

Its also true that its never been proven that the election wasn’t stole and that significant fraud didn’t occur. In other words, failure to prove the fraud isn’t proof that the fraud didn’t exist. I expected better from Desantis.

    gonzotx in reply to starride. | August 5, 2023 at 5:55 pm

    I posted that yesterday and someone took it down


    According to that article, Bigelow (who donated $20 million to the Never Back Down PAC) was upset about DeSantis signing the six-week abortion ban (DeSantis signed it into law, anyway, as we all know). The donation came BEFORE DeSantis signed the bill into law, so clearly he was not in the least bit influenced by this donor. Or is just Bigelow making demands what you are upset about? If so, maybe you should be angry with him, not DeSantis, who is clearly not playing ball. A plus, in anyone’s book, no?

    As cited in this article you have linked: “DeSantis has been running to the right of Trump despite many Republican strategists saying he should instead be trying to court moderates concerned about Trump’s policies and electability.” So he’s not really too worried about being told to moderate, right? It’s Trump who supports abortion, kiddie porn in schools, drag shows for children, men in women’s bathrooms, and Bud Light. He’s trying to come around on those issues NOW, but where was he before? Oh, right, saying culture wars don’t matter, only the economy. Naw, I’ll take DeSantis any day of any week.

    Danny in reply to starride. | August 5, 2023 at 8:17 pm

    I know you intended that to show how evil Ron DeSantis is.

    However what the article actually proves is that DeSantis has integrity and will not change his position even if important donors want him to and he needs the money yesterday.

    You do however need to know more.

    You need to know where he stands on cultural issues (he is with us on all of them) and he is in favor of finally taking the debt seriously (Trump didn’t) and you need to know his electability based on his record (extremely high).

I don’t know why people are twisting themselves in to little pretzels here.

Trump OR DeathSantis would be infinitely better than Biden. We already know Trump would be better for America and the world because his 4 years are orders of magnitude better, probably better, for every section of American society. From blacks, to women to children to people who ran businesses to security and safety.

Biden has only a record of failure and one doesn’t have to look hard for the evidence.

I’d be happy with 4 years of Trump followed by 8 DeathSantis years. Both will do amazing things for America and the world.

Secondly, it’s a Democrat tactic to pick and obscure claim that literally no one made and to then use that as evidence that all claims made by conservatives are fake.

    CommoChief in reply to mailman. | August 5, 2023 at 9:28 pm

    Sort of like how some are using the same tactic here v DeSantis. Which, come to think on it is a pattern for many of these commenters. Many of whom freely admit they were lifelong d/prog voters prior to Trump….which begins to put this obsession with dragging down DeSantis into more context.

    Ironclaw in reply to mailman. | August 6, 2023 at 12:55 am

    Nope, If Ronny is the nominee, I plan to stay at home and have a few beers rather than wasting my time going to voite for a guy who sided with Brandon the Pedophile and Kamala the whore.

DeSantis has most likely done himself a lot of good by finally putting 2020 behind him. As long as he was silent he was going to have it follow him around.

    Ironclaw in reply to Danny. | August 5, 2023 at 10:22 pm

    He didn’t do much good to himself by alienating a majority of his own party’s voters.

      Danny in reply to Ironclaw. | August 5, 2023 at 10:50 pm

      A vast majority of Americans back DeSantis acknowledging the 2020 election and reject claims of voter fraud being a factor.

      2022 showed that refusing to acknowledge the election is dangerous to being elected.

        Ironclaw in reply to Danny. | August 6, 2023 at 12:58 am

        The polls say you’re wrong. He just alienated anyone who support Trump and that’s a majority of the republican voting base. Ronny just made himself utterly unelectable. He can’t win without Trump’s base and he won’t get it. So unless he actually thinks that enough of the morally challenged shitbags who voted for a pedophile last time will cross over, he’s got no play.

Hi, I’m back online after a long break from the internet.

The headline on this article seems to be very misleading, to the point of misrepresenting the story. If you read the post, you see that Desantis did not say that all “theories of Dems stealing the election” did not turn out to be true.

What he said was that theories “saying Maduro stole votes or something like that” did not turn out to be true, which is actually an understatement. Those theories, and all similar theories, were pretty obviously unlikely from the beginning, and no sane person ever believed them, and indeed they turned out to be nothing but big fat lies.

He did not say this about other theories which were inherently less implausible, and which, although they have not been proven true, and certainly not to the standard that would have been required to overturn a state’s results, haven’t been proven false either, and remain possible.

Look, I am sure that, in addition to all the legal shenanigans surrounding the election, from the rule changes to the Zuckbucks and the media lies, for none of which there was ever any legal recourse, there were also plenty of illegal shenanigans, which may or may not have been enough to swing the result in enough states to change the overall result. I’m sure of this, not because I’m aware of any evidence, but because that’s what Dems have always done, and in 2020 they had every opportunity and incentive to do it even harder and better. It’s completely implausible that they passed up such an opportunity. But that’s very different from having actionable evidence.

What I am even surer of is that every person who prattles about Dominion and/or Venezuela manipulating votes is either a stone-cold liar or belongs in a straitjacket. And as far as I can tell that’s all Desantis said.

    Ironclaw in reply to Milhouse. | August 6, 2023 at 1:04 pm

    What DeSantis did was basically put his stamp of approval on the cheating that put the pedophile-in-chief into office. No way I waste my time on a guy who does that. Either he’s so corrupt that he approves or he’s so stupid that he can’t see it.

      Milhouse in reply to Ironclaw. | August 6, 2023 at 11:07 pm

      He did no such thing. You are simply not telling the truth. All he said was that the insane theories about Dominion machines being manipulated from Venezuela or Germany, etc., that were being spread by lying liars like Sidney Powell, did not turn out to be true. And that is 100% correct. All the accusations against Dominion turned out to be deliberate lies, and those who spread them are liars.

I agree that we need to be putting our energies into making sure the problems of the 2020 election aren’t repeated in 2024. I’m not confident that we’ve positively identified what actions we should be taking.

I also think the first step has to be admitting that 2020 was stolen. If we don’t recognize what was done, how do we hope to keep it from happening again? I would have thought that 2022 was a wake-up call that these problems were real and that they hadn’t been addressed.

Here’s another thing that concerns me:

All of the following are in Zulu Time and not in Eastern Standard Time.

These are two entries from the JSON timeseries data for the state of Pennsylvania from the Edison data feed that was hosted on the New York Times web site for the 2020 election. They are 68 seconds apart. Let me briefly explain what you see here:

Total Votes Increased by 54 out of 2,984,522.
Trump went from 56.6% to 56.0%.
Biden went from 42.0% to 42.6%.
For Biden, this was a net gain of 35,814 votes when only 54 votes had been added to the total.

“vote_shares”: {
“trumpd”: 0.566,
“bidenj”: 0.42
“votes”: 2984468,
“eevp”: 42,
“eevp_source”: “edison”,
“timestamp”: “2020-11-04T04:07:43Z”
}, {
“vote_shares”: {
“trumpd”: 0.56,
“bidenj”: 0.426
“votes”: 2984522,
“eevp”: 42,
“eevp_source”: “edison”,
“timestamp”: “2020-11-04T04:08:51Z”

Here are two more entries, one right after the other, from the time series.

239,804 votes were removed from the total:

“vote_shares”: {
“bidenj”: 0.641,
“trumpd”: 0.351
“votes”: 1111586,
“eevp”: 16,
“eevp_source”: “edison”,
“timestamp”: “2020-11-04T02:13:11Z”
}, {
“vote_shares”: {
“bidenj”: 0.592,
“trumpd”: 0.399
“votes”: 871782,
“eevp”: 16,
“eevp_source”: “edison”,
“timestamp”: “2020-11-04T02:14:32Z”

Another two entries, again in sequence, from the timeseries.

Here, 114,886 votes removed from the total:

“vote_shares”: {
“bidenj”: 0.586,
“trumpd”: 0.406
“votes”: 888907,
“eevp”: 16,
“eevp_source”: “edison”,
“timestamp”: “2020-11-04T02:16:43Z”
}, {
“vote_shares”: {
“bidenj”: 0.689,
“trumpd”: 0.301
“votes”: 774021,
“eevp”: 16,
“eevp_source”: “edison”,
“timestamp”: “2020-11-04T02:17:03Z”

This one was the most dramatic. Again, this is one entry right after the other.

586,189 votes were removed from the total:

“vote_shares”: {
“bidenj”: 0.664,
“trumpd”: 0.312
“votes”: 1325632,
“eevp”: 19,
“eevp_source”: “edison”,
“timestamp”: “2020-11-04T02:21:59Z”
}, {
“vote_shares”: {
“bidenj”: 0.627,
“trumpd”: 0.363
“votes”: 739443,
“eevp”: 19,
“eevp_source”: “edison”,
“timestamp”: “2020-11-04T02:22:45Z”

I didn’t get this from Gateway Pundit or some conspiracy site. I pulled the raw JSON feeds that were hosted on the New York Times web site and cleaned up the formatting to make the entries readable. What is the innocent explanation for this?

    Milhouse in reply to Plebeian. | August 6, 2023 at 11:14 pm

    That’s easy. This is not some official reporting system, it’s a news organization, and it’s aggregating information from different sources, which are sometimes in conflict. Those last two might even be different batches. Or an erroneous record was deleted. In any case the important point is that none of this is official or affects anything official, it’s just like any news reporting on any breaking story, more than half of which usually turns out to be wrong. Messing with the reporting has no effect on the story itself, so it would be stupid to do so.