Leftists Go Berserk Over CNN New Hampshire Town Hall Featuring One Candidate: Donald Trump
“CNN is giving Donald Trump a free & national platform to spew lies. They’ve learned absolutely nothing & they’re exactly why our media is failing us & our democracy,” tweeted self-proclaimed “youngest Biden delegate” Victor Shi.
Two big announcements were made in Media World last week that shocked millions. We learned then that top-rated TV commentator Tucker Carlson and Fox News had “parted ways,” and that CNN’s Don Lemon had been fired from the struggling network after 17 years.
Apparently, blockbuster announcements from the media on Mondays are now becoming a thing, because one week after we found out about the Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon news, we learned that CNN will be hosting a town hall next week in New Hampshire that will feature 2024 GOP presidential nominee and former president Donald Trump:
With the 2024 presidential election underway, CNN Anchor Kaitlan Collins will moderate a live CNN Town Hall with former President Donald Trump at 9pmET on Wednesday, May 10 from St. Anselm College in New Hampshire.
The former President and 2024 Republican presidential candidate will take questions from Collins and a live audience of New Hampshire Republican and undeclared voters who say they intend to vote in the New Hampshire Republican presidential primary.
CNN has a longstanding tradition of hosting leading presidential candidates for Town Halls and political events as a critical component of the network’s robust campaign coverage. This event with former President Trump will be the first of many for CNN in the coming months as CNN correspondents travel across the country to hear directly from voters in the runup to the 2024 presidential election.
Here’s CNN’s Jim Sciutto sharing the news on the air. Below is a promo CNN is now airing for the event:
CNN. Trump. Town Hall. Next Week. pic.twitter.com/FU3myN5JSO
— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) May 1, 2023
here's CNN's promo for next week's Trump town hall 😬 pic.twitter.com/26GbrXRvfs
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) May 2, 2023
Like the Carlson and Lemon stories, this one came out of nowhere for political junkies, most of whom are well aware of the highly contentious history between CNN and Trump before he was elected president in 2016.
That history includes barring Kaitlan Collins from a Trump Rose Garden event in the summer of 2018 because the White House felt she was rude when shouting questions at Trump during another event earlier in the day after she reportedly had been asked to leave.
Collins, as many Legal Insurrection readers will also recall, once worked for the Carlson-founded Daily Caller website.
Considering the bad blood between Trump and CNN and the fact that Trump has also hinted that he may not participate in some of the GOP presidential primary debates due to concerns about moderator and sponsor bias, the news came as somewhat of a surprise to conservatives. But it was the woke left who were hardest hit, with “#BoycottCNN” trending for a good chunk of the day Monday as Democrats let CEO Chris Licht have it:
Here it is, @cnn committing journalistic suicide:
If there was ONE consensus about 2024 it was that "covering" Trump the way they did in 2016 (handing him live
blocks of free airtime with no fact-checking possible) was irresponsibleAnd CNN's doing it pic.twitter.com/rZ6oFM7arS
— Keith Olbermann↙️ (@KeithOlbermann) May 1, 2023
WTF. CNN just announced that it will host Donald Trump for a live town hall in New Hampshire. CNN is giving Donald Trump a free & national platform to spew lies. They’ve learned absolutely nothing & they’re exactly why our media is failing us & our democracy.
— Victor Shi (@Victorshi2020) May 1, 2023
BREAKING: CNN is doing a town hall with indicted Donald Trump on May 10, because they’ve learned absolutely nothing. No one should watch this trash.
This is absolutely ludicrous. There is no reason to give the biggest pathological liar in politics a platform to spread his… pic.twitter.com/OeddkLPAPA
— Scott Dworkin (@funder) May 1, 2023
I think it's funny to see so many people saying Boycott CNN because we've known they were trash for years, I haven't watched them since 2021.
It's Fox Lite. Don't be shocked when they air stupid shit.
— BrooklynDad_Defiant!☮️ (@mmpadellan) May 2, 2023
A reminder that CNN is now heavily influenced by key Warner Bros. Discovery board member and Trump supporter, John Malone.
Malone is chairman of Liberty Media, Discovery's largest shareholder.
He previously donated $250,000 to Trump's inauguration, and gushed over Fox News'… pic.twitter.com/s8JMvBBiBv
— MeidasTouch (@MeidasTouch) May 1, 2023
First, CNN systematically purged anyone on the network who was deemed too anti-Trump.
Now this. pic.twitter.com/QL3cVvWu61
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) May 1, 2023
Deleted my @CNN app today because of this. We had enough of this. https://t.co/ul1lHHG8gB
— Rubén Flores (@RubenFloresNYC) May 2, 2023
Donald Trump Will Host a Live Town Hall on CNN. CNN should be ashamed that they are giving a platform to a criminally indicted, twice impeached, one term President currently being sued for sexual assault. Not to mention the misogyny and racism. https://t.co/I5tRLoYopK
— Sunny Hostin (@sunny) May 1, 2023
According to Politico, the Trump/CNN town hall has been in the works for months, and is “an implicit rebuke of Fox News”:
But the decision to participate in the town hall is also an implicit rebuke of Fox News. While Trump had long been close with the conservative-leaning network, he has complained of late that the organization has turned against him. Those close to the former president privately contend that Fox News — and other outlets owned by Rupert Murdoch — have been favorable toward DeSantis.
[…]
A person familiar with the discussions said CNN approached the Trump campaign several months ago, and talks between the two sides continued on until Monday, when the plans were locked down. The former president has largely forsworn participating in any mainstream media interviews since leaving the presidency. And CNN, in particular, has been on the receiving end of Trump’s vitriol.
There’s no word yet on whether any of the other GOP contenders who have announced their presidential candidacies including former Trump ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley and former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson have received similar invites.
— Stacey Matthews has also written under the pseudonym “Sister Toldjah” and can be reached via Twitter. —
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This looks like the post Jeff Zucker CNN which has cleaned house of some of its worst on air personalities but certainly not all of them
Trump is masterful when it comes to media. I voted for him twice and will vote from him again. America needs an alpha male in charge…. particularly now.
We can sit back and watch the biggest ego in America try to answer all of the inane questions that will be asked of him by the mental midgets at cnn. Number one will be about Stormy Daniels. Number two will be about his current civil suit concerning an alleged rape in Bergdorf-Goodman’s in NYC. Number three will be about his election tampering case in GA. Number four will be about the Bragg trial in NYC. Number five will be about DeSantis. Number six will be about the polls that say 60% of the voters do not want him to run. And so on and so on. WTF does he think they are going to ask? They will make Leslie Sthall look like his friend when they get through with him. Not to worry, there is enough room in his mouth for both feet.
Speaking of answering questions, I asked you a question recently in response to you directing a post to me. It was on this thread … https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/04/trump-hints-that-he-wont-participate-in-republican-debates/comment-page-1/#comment-1398362 .
Here’s the question I asked: “Why would so many elites that we now know for certain are members of the UNIPARTY (which got the country in this mess) are rooting for DeSantis? They are funding his campaign. Why would they do that unless they either think (1) DeSantis will spoil Trump’s chance to be President or (2) they know something that you presumably do not … that DeSantis is UNIPARTY too? I can see no other logical reason for their support. Comment?”
You didn’t respond but maybe you just missed it. Perhaps you’ll answer now?
Have you ever given money to a candidate? Did you send in your request for what they should do? Do you think that the big donors might like what they hear from DeSantis? You are equating donations with payment in kind. When you donate money there is no quid pro quo implied as you must know if you have ever donated money. Why do you think that for a rich person to give a million dollars is not the same as you giving a hundred dollars with no strings attached? I’ve donated a lot of money to people that I think share some of the same beliefs that I have and do not expect anything in return for my donation. DeSantis cannot “Spoil” Trump’s chance because it is winner-take-all in the primary, so either Trump wins or he doesn’t. If the things that DeSantis has gotten done in FL are part of the “Uniparty” agenda, count me in! Instead of living with rumors and online gossip, watch what both candidates do. There is not a more conservative or effective governor in America than DeSantis. If he is being controlled by some dark group of globalists, he is one hell of a puppet!
You realize, don’t you, that you didn’t actually answer my question. You waved your hand to explain why DeSantis’ campaign is being funded by people we know are UNIPARTY supporters. If I were UNIPARTY, I’d never give real conservatives a dime.
And while even with their help DeSantis might not win the primary against Trump (I certainly don’t expect him to), his campaign may create enough bad blood … and it clearly seems to be doing that … that some former Trump supporters might choose to sit out the general … and that might hurt Trump’s chance in the general.
Another thing the DeSantis campaign is now doing is keeping conservatives so occupied that they aren’t fixing the election system and that benefits the UNIPARTY. It doesn’t take a genius to realize that might be a deliberate strategy.
If the uniparty is the focus of your ire and the uniparty is the root of all evil in your view then kindly explain why your preferred candidate endorsed:
1. Rona McDaniel for re-election as GoP Chair
2. McConnell for re-election as GoP Leader in the Senate
3. McCarthy as Speaker of the House
All three are the embodiment of the DC uniparty which you claim to hold as the ultimate enemy. For you to support a candidate who offered full throated endorsement of these prime examples of uniparty seems inconsistent and incoherent.
No bromides about ‘that’s just politics’ or ‘super clever strategy’. Don’t offer excuses to attempt to deflect away from the very clear choice your preferred candidate made to support card carrying members of the uniparty to the top three positions of GoP political leadership.
CommoChief writes:
“If the uniparty is the focus of your ire and the uniparty is the root of all evil in your view then kindly explain why your preferred candidate endorsed:
1. Rona McDaniel for re-election as GoP Chair
2. McConnell for re-election as GoP Leader in the Senate
3. McCarthy as Speaker of the House
All three are the embodiment of the DC uniparty which you claim to hold as the ultimate enemy. For you to support a candidate who offered full throated endorsement of these prime examples of uniparty seems inconsistent and incoherent.”
First of all, you’ve got your facts wrong about McDaniel. Trump didn’t endorse McDaniel for re-election.. In fact, just 10 days before the latest RNC vote, Trump explicitly stated that he wouldn’t endorse anyone in the RNC race.
He said “I can honestly say I like both of them [meaning McDaniel and Harmeet Dhillon, her chief opponent]. I mean, I get along with both of them. I haven’t taken a stance, you know. Let them fight it out.”
It was non-candidate candidate, Johnny come lately, DeSantis who endorsed one of them … just 24 hours before the vote. He picked Dhillon, just to cause trouble I suspect.
Second, Trump rewards loyalty … always has. McDaniel has been a Trump loyalist since 2016. She supported him from the very beginning, and not lukewarmly.
When she became RNC head in 2017, she saw to it that the RNC ran ads for Trump’s 2020 reelection, starting in 2018. She put numerous Trump supporters on the RNC payroll. She made sure the RNC covered his legal fees against the bogus Russia, Russia, Russia accusations.
After his loss in 2020, McDaniel supported his claims of voter fraud. She saw to it that the Republicans who participated in the bogus investigations of J6 (like Cheney) were censured, labeling the protestors as engaging in “legitimate political discourse”.
So, in my view, having McDaniel at the head of the RNC has made the RNC more Trump friendly than it would otherwise have been and that will continue. And she’s also been VERY effective at fundraising, and a lot of that money went to Trump.
She’s not perfect but I’m not sure she’s UNIPARTY even if she’s the granddaughter of Romney. In fact, in 2019 when Romney penned an attack on Trump’s character in the Washington Post, she criticized it, saying that it “feeds into what the DemocrRATS and mainstream media want” and is “disappointing and unproductive”. She then called Trump “the nicest, most moral person in the world”.
She also attacked UNIPARTY Republican Justin Amash when he called for Trump’s impeachment, saying he was “parroting the DemocRATS talking points on Russia.” She also defended Trump’s handling of the coronavirus. In short, CommoChief, she’s been steadfastly loyal to Trump. What’s your evidence she’s UNIPARTY? The failure of the GOP to win the elections in 2020 and 2022?
But then massive election fraud by democRATS did occur, unless you wish to deny it like several DeSantis supporters on this forum have. I’ll just say that Dhillon hasn’t been successful either.
Dhillon lost two runs for seats in the California legislature, then became a top official in the California Republican Party and California RNC … two organizations that have been very ineffective, since under their watch California has become a one party state.
As for endorsing McCarthy, Trump did indeed do that, even though in my own mind McCarthy has acted like a RINO in the past. But maybe Trump saw something we didn’t? As a rationale, Trump warned that when conservatives took out John Boehner in 2015, they ended up with Paul Ryan, who Trump said was ten times worse. Trump was afraid that would happen again.
And Trump wasn’t alone in that regard. Jim Jordon, who no-one can call a RINO, raised the same concern. James Comer joined him. Harriet Hageman did, too. So did Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Breitbart explained the concern here: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/28/exclusive-conservatives-warn-of-doomsday-scenario-if-mccarthy-fails-in-speaker-race-where-democrats-neuter-gop-power/ , warning that “Democrats may step up to back an establishment Republican alternative to McCarthy who, in exchange for Democrat votes on the floor of the House to get the majority needed to win the speakership, would agree to rule changes to weaken subpoenas coming from the new House GOP majority into Democrat President Joe Biden’s administration.” As noted by Breitbart, even Matt Gaetz, McCarthy’s chief detractor, “admitted multiple times that this is a possible outcome of their effort.”
That being the case, I think Trump had legitimate reasons to support McCarthy, even if he was potentially flawed. And I think he knew the man better us … saw some potential we didn’t. But, when McCarthy failed to win the speakership on the first vote, Trump didn’t add more support. He just said “We’ll see how it all works out.”
Only when there had been three successive failed speaker votes did Trump reiterate his support. I think he did that to prevent even more of a rift from developing in the Republican Party, which was clearly about to happen, inviting the alternative that was feared. That intercession worked, with McCarthy then working out a compromise behind closed doors with enough of his opponents to win the vote.
Now I would ask you, since being named Speaker, has McCarthy done such a bad job? Has he acted like he’s still UNIPARTY? He’s refused to abide by a subpoena issued for him from the January 6th committee. He made it possible for Tucker to see tapes of the J6 protest. The bills that have come out of the House since then haven’t had the stench of UNIPARTY. He hasn’t just folded on the debt. He’s working hard to get deep spending cuts and some other things (like blocking student loan forgiveness, rescinding funding to the IRS, repealing green energy tax credits) in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. Maybe Trump’s judgement was right?
And now I come to McConnell. Trump has said that if he wins in 2024, McConnel will “be out in two minutes”. He said he regrets endorsing Mitch McConnell’s 2020 reelection run because McConnell conspired with AG Bill Barr to help Biden win the election. He said he would have been better off endorsing a democRAT. That doesn’t sound like there is any love lost between the two men.
As for Trump endorsing McConnell for Senate President, when was that? In 2022, Trump backed McConnell’s challenger, Rick Scott, for the job. He said “I’m not a fan of McConnell and I am a fan of Rick Scott.” In February of 2021, Trumped blasted McConnell, calling him a “dour, sullen, and unsmiling political hack.
So exactly when did Trump endorse Mitch for Senate President? He may had to live with the choice but I don’t see when the endorsement occurred. Even during his Presidency, Trump had a very dicey relationship with McConnell. Trump used him to get what he could … like tax reform and judges, because you work with what you got. I don’t think Trump realized until after 2020 just how far in the UNIPARTY camp McConnell actually was. Few did. And then Trump did the right thing.
“our democracy”… OK, dumbass.
CNN gives Trump — and nobody else — airtime.
I wish Robert Heinlein were still alive.
He’d finally be able to put real dates on his “Crazy Years.”
So far and he is a former President. I’m not watching as I’ve seen enough of Trump to know what a circus this will be but I would not be surprised to see several of the other Republican candidates doing townhalls on CNN.
Considering how hostile CNN has been to Trump, I can say I’m a little surprised he would do this. Does anyone think the “undeclared voters” are really undeclared? Look for Democrat plants and outright Socialists to spout stupid questions, make long statements and Trump to give as good as he gets.
Careful. I heard that “Crazy Years” references will get you on an FBI list. Oh, wait. You’re doubtless already here on it with me, comrade.
Carry on.
If I was advising DJT it would be don’t go near the Communist News Network, it’s going to be gotcha and entrapment questions and badgering how you tried to steal the election.
Trump knows that CNN rigged his POTUS general election debate vs Hillary and never fired the producers that gave Hillary, through Donna Brazile, all of the questions weeks in advance.
He knows that every question asked was on topics CNN believed were favorable to Hillary, and unfavorable to himself, and that they were all phrased as softball questions to her and gotcha questions to him.
And he destroyed Hillary in that debate anyway. Humiliated CNN’s moderator while he was at it.
He knows CNN will use this Town Hall to try to trip him up, but he’s confident that he’ll be able to use it to get his message out, increase his stature, and promote his chances in both the primary and the general election.
He’s been playing the press for free publicity literally his entire adult life.
Back in ’15, in the primary, he defeated the entire field of 19 or so other R’s, starting as an underdog, by playing the press like this – he didn’t start spending big $$ on ads until after he’d locked up the primary, and he still had a skeleton campaign staff until that point. The more the press tried to destroy him, the better off he was.
Some predictions.
1) The left will attempt to control the audience completely, crowding out anyone who is friendly to President Trump, or even neutral.
2) Other leftists, who may or may not know about point 1, will attempt to shut it down by any means. They’ll claim their protests are completely peaceful. This will be a lie.
3) CNN will make sure to feed openly hostile questions to President Trump and then cut him off when he tries to answer.
4) The “news” stories about his lies and failure to escape gotcha questions are already being written. The left will use video from this town hall endlessly to raise money against President Trump.
For a guy who was threatening not to participate in GoP primary debates b/c the moderators might not be fair to him ….. agreeing to go do a CNN town hall with K Collins running the show seems like an odd move.
It makes one wonder if perhaps the true reasons he is publicly hesitant to appear on the GoP Primary debate stage have jack squat to do with the potential moderators or the networks which are selected to host them.
Gee, you think? 😛
Trump is still stuck in 2016. It’s sad.
he needs to get over it now … or he is toast ….
CNN seems to be looking for some of that 2016 ratings magic. Maybe MSNBC will join them in jumping on the Trump ratings train just like they did back then in incessantly promoting his candidacy in a not so subtle attempt to skew the primary results which many seem to have either ignored at the time or pretend to have forgotten.
They two entities need each other. Trump wants a spotlight and a solo stage while CNN wants some ratings boost and eventually will use footage to run ‘orange man bad’ hits to fluff their viewers with.
Good points. Sadly for Team Trump it is no longer 2016, and his running like he’s fresh off “The Apprentice” instead of as someone who’s already been president is not working this time. It may work for CNN; they will see any ratings boost over their usual 10 viewers a huge improvement, after all. 😛
What amazes me is that there’s anyone alive who doesn’t realize his shot about the debates directed to the RNC was a negotiating tactic.
The man literally wrote a book on his process for making deals, and yet people that have followed him in the news daily for years still take him literally whenever he says something like this.
LOL!
Ah yes, four dimensional chess. Uh huh, sure, you go with that.
Try to be less of a partisan hater and maintain some minimal contact with reality.
Your posts read exactly like the garbage at Mother Jones.
Good luck with that one Aarradin 😂😂
Feral D’s tactics are never subtle. He’s not capable. Never was.
Even 1-d checkers wins quite a bit, when the other players don’t realize you’re allowed to make moves too.
What you say is a ‘negotiating tactic’ others say is an empty threat. Both are correct. What is no longer acceptable is to be told not to take Trump’s words at face value. People and especially candidates need to be very clear in what they say and follow through on their promises they make, both explicit and implicit.
The issue for Trump is this sort of thing gets old and stale as folks remember other things he said he was gonna do but didn’t. Building the border wall as the prime example. Was that really just a ‘negotiation tactic’ as well? How would we be able to recognize the difference since others tell us not to take his words literally? Are those same people gonna be interpreters for us, no offense but why should we trust these folks?
Bad behavior from somebody who did the following
1. Lost the popular vote to HILLARY CLINTON by MILLIONS of votes
2. BARELY won Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania entirely because the Democrats did not think those three states would be in play so avoided time and resources there (don’t believe me? Mitt Romney’s 2012 Wisconsin vote was higher than Trump’s 2016 totals there) in that same election
3. Lost the 2017 races (Virginia was still a swing state at the time and that election was about Trump) and 2018 midterms IN A LANDSLIDE
4. Lost the 2020 race
5. Deliberately cost us the senate in 2021 as Trump did
6. Turned the 2022 red wave into a defeat losing us power in the senate when our need was to stop the Biden judges from being appointed
If that applies to you and you aren’t changing it means you will then lose yet another election if you are the nominee.
There is no 4d chess when Trump is doing badly it is because he is a horrible candidate.
The Orange Ego didn’t cost anybody the Senate, or anything else, “deliberately.” He endorsed candidates it tickled his ego to endorse. He’s be way more interested in building a Senate majority if the party in place was willing to let him feel important for doing so.
The Idiot D’s coulda gottten anything they wanted out of The Orange Ego when he was in office, just by letting what they want feel like a win to him. The Idiot R’s apparently saw that, and have decided to screw up stuff involving The Donald the same way.
Love the trash lineup with their panties in a knot: Aaron Rupar, that Brooklyn tool, Sunny McMoron…
If he pulls it off without a major crash and burn (highly likely) he will have rejuvenated his campaign . CNN desperately needs his airtime, this will hurt Desantis and shake up Fox
The only Democrats that are not thoroughly Fascist are those Bernie Bros who are one step further Left and prefer Direct rather than Indirect government control of the means of production.
Either of which require a totalitarian one-party dictatorship.
The notion that there are still D’s that support “our Democracy” is ludicrous, and not just because we are a Constitutional Republic and have never been a Democracy.
Democrats support “their democracy”, in which they hold total power, not “our democracy”.
Most notable CNN is giving Trump help for winning the nomination.
Sorry but I don’t give a dam that a couple of leftists on the internet protest all of us speaking no matter when and where, the big story is CNN decided to give Trump a helping hand.
I’m sure that CNN would be happy to have Biden attend. 🙂
By the way, don’t anyone get their hopes up that events like this are going to win this election for Trump. The democRATS have a not so secret weapon that virtually nothing has been done to counter. They will be the ones counting the votes and deciding if cheating has taken place.
Also, Trump is toxic as hell, and a LOT of people who voted for him twice, will not support him this time (myself included). He may win the GOP nomination, but there is no way he wins the general.
He’s hit Hillary-level hate among a huge swath of the American electorate, and that matters. A lot. Democrats ignored how deep the hatred of Hillary ran, and they lived to regret it (if never actually acknowledge it). So, go that way if you like and ignore at your peril the deep deep loathing for Trump by a huge swath of the American electorate. Then, just like Hillary and all the Dems who couldn’t believe she was so deeply loathed, you can cry that the election was stolen from her, erm, him.
Dems cheat. They have cheated since the beginning of time, but Trump cannot win even a FAIR contest because he is loathed, hated, despised, and feared by too many people in too many key states. It’s not “hate” to say this; it’s simply fact that we’ve seen play out over every election since ’16 (the last–and only–one he actually won).
“Also, Trump is toxic as hell”
(roll eyes)
“a LOT of people who voted for him twice, will not support him this time (myself included)”
It won’t matter who you vote for, FS. The game is rigged and the only thing that might change that is something that no-one here or on any conservative platform I’ve found seems to have the stomach to discuss. So I guess you’d better start prepping for 1984 and the Hunger Games combined. Or worse.
Oh, it matters who I vote for because, you see, I live in Florida, where our governor has worked for years to clean up our voting and ensured that none of the crazy leftists were pushing in blue states and districts is allowed here.
You know, all those changes to elections (extended early voting, mass vote-by-mail, ballot harvesting, and on) that happened while Trump was president, urging the country to stay locked down and laying out a welcome mat for the Dems to not let a crisis go to waste. Trump’s DOJ didn’t challenge a single state law (some have since been stomped out by state supreme or district courts) that enabled Democrat cheating on a massive and truly unprecedented scale.
Trump let it happen. He even said he knew it was happening and didn’t do a thing about it . . . until after he lost. Then, all of a sudden, he cared about all the state laws that weren’t constitutional per the states’ own constitutions! Too little, too late, as the professor explained in December 2020.
Trump could have opened the country by Easter 2020, when he said he would, but he deferred to Fauci. And the media. Seriously. It’s completely surreal, but Trump lost 2020 because of Trump. He could have changed the entire course of history by sticking to his promise to open by Easter, but he caved. And everything that resulted from that weakness is on him. Up to and including his 2020 election loss.
“Oh, it matters who I vote for because, you see, I live in Florida”
Ah. Now I know why you support DeSantis and attack Trump. I bet you were all for them changing the rules so DeSantis could run without risking his governorship. And all for changing the rules so DeSantis doesn’t have to disclose his travel (like who is funding that travel … which likely is the UNIPARTY). What other rules do you want to change to help DeSantis? Hmmmm?
I asked you several times before, FS, why are so many republican elites that we now know for certain are members of the UNIPARTY rooting for DeSantis? Why would UNIPARTY supporting billionaires be funding his campaign? Do UNIPARTY polls show that Trump might win the general election? Seems to me there are only two possibilities. Either they think (1) DeSantis will spoil Trump’s chance to be President and then still lose against Biden or (2) they know that DeSantis is UNIPARTY.
It wouldn’t be the first time that a UNIPARTY candidate disguised himself as something he wasn’t to get lected. For example, FDR ran on the promise of reducing government. He attacked Hoover for spending and taxing too much, boosting the national debt, choking off trade, and putting millions on the dole. He accused President Hoover of “reckless and extravagant” spending … of presiding over “he greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”
In fact, the Democratic Party platform that year (http://left.wikia.com/wiki/Democratic_Party_Platform,_1932) even contained this statement: “We advocate an immediate and drastic reduction of governmental expenditures” and called for “the removal of government from all fields of private enterprise except where necessary to develop public works and natural resources in the common interest.” It was a great deception because once FDR was elected, he did just the opposite. In fact had planned to do just opposite. You remember the work of FDR’s Fabian Socialist filled Brain Trust in the years leading up the election, don’t you?
It seems to me the worst possibility would be if it turned out that DeSantis is a stealth UNIPARTY *republican* and he won the election. That might very well be the UNIPARTY’s plan to dump Biden, who is becoming quite a liability. Then *republicans* like you couldn’t even complain about DeSantis *working* with the UNIPARTY, and the MAGA movement would be DEAD, never to arise again.
Also, if you think Florida is going to be able to resist the Federal government when the Republican Party loses … and in fact is no more, think again. You’ll be shocked buy how much *persuasion* the Feds will be able to direct at Florida once Trump and the MAGA movement are gone. They’ll *convert* DeSantis to their side … especially since he’s already totally dependent monetarily on them.
“Trump’s DOJ didn’t challenge a single state law”
You do realize that Trump’s DOJ wasn’t Trump’s DOJ. The UNIPARTY owned it … and owns it even more now. We all learned in the years after Trump’s election (and that includes you, I assume) that the Deep State is far more extensive than we ever imagined. We were all blindsided by what one stealth UNIPARTY republican after another did to backstab Trump.
But at least Trump didn’t KNOW he was working with UNIPARTY members from the beginning. He trusted Pence and others who ended up infiltrating his administration with UNIPARTY members plotting a planned coup against him. Hard to fault him for that and I think that if he gets elected he won’t make the same mistake. He’ll take a butcher knife to the federal government and particularly the DOJ and FBI..
In contrast, DeSantis is walking into this with UNIPARTY support … and he has to know it. If he doesn’t, he is stupid as hell. He’s been given tens of millions of dollars by donors who are clearly UNIPARTY supporters. His campaign staff is already infiltrated with them. Under these conditions, surely you aren’t naive enough to think DeSantis will be able to rid government of the UNIPARTY … or act independently.
One other thing. It was so dangerous for Trump before and after the election that he had to bring in his own security from the very beginning. He could not trust the Secret Service and still doesn’t. DeSantis doesn’t appear to be doing the same. Does he trusts them. Why? Because he’s UNIPARTY and they know it?
“Trump let it happen and didn’t do a thing about it”
NONSENSE. He fought … fought hard. But he was surrounded by enemies he didn’t know were enemies, some of them giving him advice that we know NOW was tainted … was designed to destroy him. Because of that experience, I don’t think he’ll make that mistake again, should he win. But Santis is “letting” the UNIPARTY into his campaign right NOW. Given that, I don’t see him firing them all should he win. He’ll bring them right into the White House. He hasn’t learned a thing.
“Trump could have opened the country by Easter 2020, when he said he would, but he deferred to Fauci.”
Again, Trump was surrounded by advisors that were UNIPARTY. He was outright lied to by them, and he was no more an expert on viruses than you. He now knows that and is under tremendous pressure to keep the UNIPARTY out of his new campaign and rid the government of it. We are watching with every intent to prevent him from doing otherwise.
You DeSantis supporters, however, are apparently ok with DeSantis having UNIPARTY members currently working for him and funding his campaign. That doesn’t give me much confidence that he learned ANYTHING from Trump’s experience. That just makes me think that his ambition to be President now, instead of waiting four years (when he would have been a shoe-in) has led him to sell out to the UNIPARTY. He’s the wolf in sheep’s clothing the Fabian Party idolizes.
“Trump lost 2020 because of Trump.”
You’re like Danny. You refuse to acknowledge that the UNIPARTY stole the 2020 election by cheating. They generated millions of votes out thin are and even switched votes that Trump got to Biden. You apparently believe that Biden actually got 81.5 million votes. Which is LUDICROUS. Which makes me very suspicious that you are what you say your are, FS. Just saying ….
Damn, Phil, take a breath!
Heh, yeah, as with Phil’s long screeds, I can’t get through the new Phil’s, either. Shrug. Pretty sure I’m not missing anything. 😛
You don’t believe a single thing you said.
To quote Andrew Klavan “What are you doing here if you have given up go watch some cat videos”.
Seriously if you weren’t lying in that screed you wouldn’t be here, you wouldn’t desperately want Trump as nominee (you would want us with egg on our face learning nobody could win) and you would be doing something apolitical with your time if you believed that for even a second.
Seriously if you have given up just go away and let us win with someone who isn’t capped at 46% of the population as a best case scenario.
I know I can’t reply to you directly but I am talking to a liar named BeAChooser
“Danny – “You are a liar sir.”
LOL! This from a poster who says that 2020 and 2022 were “honest” elections. Who do you think you’re fooling Danny? No one who is really MAGA, that’s for sure. Like I said folks, it amazing how many UNIPARTY supporters there are on this forum.”
That is not an answer to the question, it is not a refutation, nor is there any kind of coherent thought to that. I generally reply but if a response is bad in a league of it’s own (like that one) I see nothing wrong with leaving it.
You actually are crazy and a liar.
If you believed the bullshit you are spouting you wouldn’t waste your finite time with politics you know are unwinnable, you would actually want DeSantis to prove that nobody win and prove you right, and you would be enjoying yourself.
Instead you are here with empty rhetoric but uniparties that don’t exist, refusing to accept the result of any election past 2016………
Either your wild an insane rants are lies and you know they are lies, or you are utterly moronic wasting your time here when you know Biden will win 2024, and that politics is over and Democrats will win every battle.
If you have given up get out. The fact that you are here at all shows you haven’t given up which makes your insane rants lies.
You guys need to tone down the name calling. Both of you. This is getting out of hand, and this type of ad hominem is not permitted here. When your future comments of this type are removed, you know why.
And “BeAChooser,” I don’t know what you think your “job” here is, but it will be short-lived if you continue in this vein.
“He’s hit Hillary-level hate among a huge swath of the American electorate”
The difference is that Trump-hatred was manufactured by lying progressives, while Hillary-hatred resulted organically from Hillary’s own behavior. That still makes a difference to me. However, I don’t discount the effect it has on the hoi polloi.
Mostly that’s fair as applied to the screaming leftists weirdos. There is some genuine concern among the more honest voters in the center and on the right which doesn’t derive from ‘orange man bad’ media narratives but instead from his own actions since elected POTUS.
It doesn’t matter how it came to be or how unfair it is, though, if it still guides people’s votes. I think it’s unfair, as well, and that there are plenty of real reasons to be over Trump. Add up the people who hate him viscerally and those who have moved on, and it’s not a pretty picture for the general.
The joke is on Trump, MAGA nuts and Sundance, too. Does anyone truly believe that CNN would invite Trump for an exclusive town hall session if they were concerned about him winning the election?
CNN is playing for a huge ratings capture, destroying Fox News and humiliating Trump in front of a live audience—a televised Pickett’s charge.
Please tell me Trump knows the risks and has a plan and will outperform expectations. Otherwise he’s toast.
“Please tell me Trump knows the risks and has a plan and will outperform expectations. Otherwise he’s toast.”
You sound like all those media types and political pundits that insulted and discounted Trump in the year before his election. They were certain proved wrong.
In any case, though, no non-UNIPARTY member will win as things now stand because the election system is rigged. We all know it. Trump, like most every other conservative I see, seems to be spouting hopium about winning.
Now I understand that Trump is not in a position to call on us to do what needs to be done. That would just give his enemies more ammunition to attack him. But nothing is stopping us from discussing it. Yet we don’t.
I’ve tried to start a discussion about that on several conservative forums and so far few respond. On some the forum owners are running scared. Mostly I get called names or it’s suggested I’m a Fed … even by their moderators.
If you really want to talk about “a plan”, however, we need to plan how we’ll insure the next election is honest? Because if we don’t, we’re all just shouting into the wind, wasting our time. We’d be better off prepping for what comes after the UNIPARTY wins in 2024. Because it’s not going to be pretty. Just saying …
Clean up the voter registration rolls in the County and State you reside. Push for voter ID if you don’t already have it. Push for simple but effective ballot security and voter integrity measures.
That’s the way to fix it. Some places have done so and some haven’t. Trump was perfectly positioned after the shenanigans of 2020 to create a nationwide push for these actions. Using his money and brand to lend support to local efforts of ordinary people already doing Yoeman service on these issues with little to no assistance.
We don’t hold National elections. We hold elections in each State under the laws and procedures adopted by the Legislature of each State making manifest the will of the voters in each State.
There have been multiple States where folks got off their asses and pushed for and achieved significant reform of greater election integrity, ballot security and yes voter ID. They did so without the assistance of Trump.
You claim it’s unfair to suggest that the individual most impacted by the various electoral shenanigans of 2020 had the perfect position to rally the folks, use his significant voice to raise funds in support of those ordinary Citizens on the ground doing the difficult work of attempting to reform the political machinery of their State and County.
If Trump and his supporters wanted to use the ‘we wuz robbed’ narrative it would be a stronger argument had he and they stopped whining and moaning, rolled up their sleeves and gotten to work to at least assist the grassroots efforts. But he didn’t as you admit.
IMO, Trump squandered the opportunity. Had he used his massive influence to do so he would have not only helped achieve greater, more widespread success but also built an County by County network of folks who would also serve his future political aspirations as volunteers, supporters and local influencers in their Counties. It was a wasted opportunity on his part.
No one is gonna save you on election reform issues. Not Trump not any other individual politician. You gotta be willing to work to save yourself and you might get a little outside help in doing so.
The analogy I like goes like this. You are carrying heavy ass boxes to a building which then gotta tote upstairs. The most you can expect in the way of help is someone opens and holds the door for you, maybe they trap the top box to help but you still gotta tote 90% of the load all the way upstairs to the destination.
Lead, follow or get out of the way. Trump had an opportunity to provide leadership but declined to do so. Now he can follow the leadership of others or get out of the way. In any event the bitching and moaning about 2020 grows tiresome from a guy who didn’t choose to use his post Presidential years to work to enact reforms to the systems he is bitching about.
As Stugill Simpson sang: ‘That’s the way it is, life ain’t fair and the world is mean’.
In response to my challenge, “Our side has had over 2 and a half years to do that and we’re no closer to having a honest national election than we were right after Biden stole the last one. And I can prove it. Name ONE state that Biden won that he would not win now?”, CommoChief writes:
“We don’t hold National elections. We hold elections in each State under the laws and procedures adopted by the Legislature of each State making manifest the will of the voters in each State.”
Gee you think I didn’t know that? Are you so obtuse that you didn’t understand that by “national” I meant “general”? You couldn’t tell that I understood the election system from the rest of my statement about winning states?
You going to use that as the excuse for not naming ONE state that Biden won in 2020 which he would lose now? You hide behind vagueness. But you’re not alone. I have made that challenge over and over and not one person, DeSantis supporter or otherwisem has answered the question.
They’ve all run … proving my point, I think. For all the talk about fixing the election process, nothing has changed. Biden would still become President if the election were held today.
CommoChief writes “There have been multiple States where folks got off their asses and pushed for and achieved significant reform of greater election integrity, ballot security and yes voter ID.”
Don’t hide behind vagueness. Name a state where the GOP thinks Biden wouldn’t have won had those changes been in place in 2020. I don’t think you can. In fact, I would claim there are states today where the GOP is worse off than they were in 2020 … where the cheating will be even easier. Biden would win more states.
CommoChief writes “You claim it’s unfair to suggest that the individual most impacted by the various electoral shenanigans of 2020 had the perfect position to rally the folks, use his significant voice to raise funds in support of those ordinary Citizens on the ground doing the difficult work of attempting to reform the political machinery of their State and County.”
That’s true. And you apparently won’t admit that Trump had a lot on his plate at the time to be doing that. The last 3 years he’s been attacked from all sides, by efforts threatening serious jail time if he didn’t deal with them properly. And we, his base, did very little to come to his aid, as I pointed out. You didn’t deny it.
As I also pointed out, Trump lost a significant portion of his fortune in his efforts to save his base and all Americans from the direction the UNIPARTY has this country going. In fact, do you know that Forbes says he was worth $4.5 BILLION dollars in 2016 and now he’s worth only $2.5 billion? I’d say he’s made quite a sacrifice to try and save us from where this country is headed. Do you want to deny that?
And now you demand more of him? As I pointed out, the conservative base has far more than $2.5 billion dollars in assets. Surely they don’t need Trump’s voice (which many of you are saying most people now hate anyway) to get the needed funds.
Surely your side can express yourself well enough base to make your case without his voice *detracting* from it.. Isn’t it enough that through his actions we now know the election system is utterly corrupt. If that’s not enough to motivate his base to fix it, then I say that’s on us, not him. And now you want to dump him for who? A guy who is getting paid by the UNIPARTY to run against him? Wake up!
CommoChief writes “No one is gonna save you on election reform issues. Not Trump not any other individual politician. You gotta be willing to work to save yourself and you might get a little outside help in doing so.”
That’s exactly my point. I would add that the system is so rigged against us now that what you suggest isn’t going to work anyway. They tried and tried in Arizona and failed. And you’ve less than a year and a half to fix it. You are not going to succeed by thinking inside the box … which is what you’re doing.
That’s why I proposed something outside the box, that none of you want to discuss. I can’t help but notice then even after I explained my proposal to you in detail, you didn’t say one word about it in your response. You ignored it.
The truth is that you have resigned yourself to losing and now you’re just trying to feel good about yourself by dumping on Trump. As if he’s the cause. I assume you’re going to vote for DeSantis. Well good luck with that. I think you’d be better off prepping for the 1984 hell that’s likely to result after the UNIPARTY wins again. Because then the GOP is kaput and MAGA is dead.
Trump is a showman. It does not surprise me in the least that he would make an appearance on an international television and legacy media network in order to promote himself to a wide audience….at no cost.
The incongruity of Trump’s appearance on CNN is ridiculous. Trump accepts an invitation to the very network he loved to hate, How does he reconcile a CNN Town Hall media hit with the network he ardently opposed and the one who sued him over removing Jim Acosta’s credentials? Has his advisors signed a peace agreement with the network?
Donald Trump is changing and not for the better, The Donald is now best friends with the woke media he used to call ‘fake news.’
He tells us CNN is “the enemy of the people,” and what happens now to the chant “CNN sucks” at his rallies. I guess that’s all over with. Right?
Donald Trump won’t let animosity get in the way of good polling data. Trump’s campaign advisers are saying the reason they accepted the invitation is network executives “made a compelling pitch.”
If he thought CBS and Leslie Stahl didn’t “treat him fairly” over the Hunter Biden laptop matter, watch as Trump, the grandmaster of media, gets played once again by CNN and loses in what will become his ultimate blunder: political checkmate.