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Republican 2024 Presidential Preferences (Reader Poll)

Republican 2024 Presidential Preferences (Reader Poll)

Who can beat Biden, Kamala, and/or Newsom?

Now that Donald Trump has announced his candidacy for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination and thus kicked off the 2024 festivities, we decided to poll our readers on whom you would like to see run against Team America Last in 2024.

Biden claimed that his unlikely move to the White House meant that “America is back,” but so far all we’ve seen is America’s back. Everything Biden touches turns to ash for Americans, with the poor, working, and middle classes feeling the impact most acutely.

So LI readers, whom do you want to win the 2024 GOP nomination for president? And why? Tell us in comments.

POLL IS OPEN UNTIL MIDNIGHT EASTERN TIME ON WEDNESDAY EVENING NOVEMBER 30

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    Olinser in reply to Q. | November 27, 2022 at 4:16 pm

    I think he’s simply too smart to engage in a primary against Trump.

    CellarDoor in reply to Q. | November 28, 2022 at 9:11 am

    More proof that it’s about Trump and his ego not America. If trump cares about the US he would NOT run in 2024. #EgoManiac

      Sally MJ in reply to CellarDoor. | November 28, 2022 at 2:13 pm

      I think DeSantis is too smart not to do what’s best for America. And I think he could help Trump decide to serve in a different capacity that will also help America.

    Frances1605 in reply to Q. | November 28, 2022 at 1:03 pm

    I voted for DeSantis as my governor and Trump in the Presidential election. Both men have pros and cons in my opinion. DeSantis benefitted from pro-Trump patriots in Florida but not sure he can win outside of Florida. The Dems will most likely have a billion or more in spending, and right now, DeSantis only has roughly 300 million $$$. How will he make up the differences? I also don’t like that Paul Ryan, employed at Teneo, prefers him. DeSantis voted for the Cures Act and military spending as a Congressman. He also likes red flag laws and gave Florida hospitals immunity after COVID. I am not convinced DeSantis is an outsider at this point. I would love to see Trump/DeSantis ticket if possible. Or have Trump pick a conservative Spanish man as VP who could win as President. It would be lovely to see Trump’s and DeSantis’ strong, beautiful, feminine wives on stage with their husbands. A welcome change from the women at the View. To me, the View is like the Housewives series without alcohol. LOL!

There are so many good candidates on that list. There are also some ones that seem horrible, but in 2016 I learned my lesson about ruling people out. When the race started with 17 candidates I thought that while there were some I didn’t like, I would vote for whoever won the nomination except Trump. I couldn’t accept Trump because his entire record showed that he was no better than a Democrat and unfit to hold public office. Well, despite all that he turned out to be a good president. So now I will vote for whomever the GOP nominates, even if it’s Hogan or Cheney. But I will not support them in the primary, or Christie.

Cotton, Haley, Hawley, Noem, Pence, Pompeo, and both Scotts have great points for them. I’d be happy voting for any of them.

I don’t think Youngkin or Desantis ought to run. Their states need them more than the nation does, and they should put in full terms for their states before considering other offices. There are others capable of being president, but there doesn’t seem to be anyone who could step into their shoes as governor, at least in the next two years. If they continue to do well, their times will come.

Overall, though, my vote is for Pence. He’s responsible for almost every success of the Trump administration, and he had an impressive record even before that. Nobody’s perfect, but he’s as close to perfect as any of the others, and miles closer than Trump ever was.

    gonzotx in reply to Milhouse. | November 26, 2022 at 9:35 pm

    Pence? Traitor Pence lol.

    Wait a minute, I think that’s God calling

    Oh sorry , when Pence got on the line, he hung up?

      healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | November 26, 2022 at 11:33 pm

      It’s not traitorous to do your Constitutional duty, even if it is unpopular with factions of your party.

      It pissed Trump off because like you, he is a loon that thinks the rules can be rewritten at a whim as long as the “good guys” do it.

      You have no principles on which to stand for the defense of the 1A, the 2A, or anything following if you stand with Trump on Jan 6th.

      The Election was a shitshow….Trump’s Jan 6 shitshow gave cover to the very fraud he was screaming about because he can’t be bothered to follow the law.

        So now according to
        Harp here I have no standing on 1A or 2A because I stand with President Trump on Jan 6

        Good to know

        Where in the constitution, that you apparently have some mystical magical interpretation of, did you find that little convoluted non reasoning bit of connection?

          Danny in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 11:25 am

          What he said was clear which is if you sell out principles you don’t like when inconvenient you have no leg to stand on to defend the principles you like.

          The idea of protesting peaceful transfer of power to the winner and demanding the VP do something illegal to stop it is highly unprincipled,

          Calling Mike Pence a traitor for doing the legally obligatory thing is absurd; and doing so is unprincipled.

          This is coming from someone who thinks the 21st century Republican Party adopted a wide variety of moronic ideas as principles and that we have reaped a terrible punishment for it. The principle of agreeing to peaceful transfer of power to the winner is sacrosanct however.

          Milhouse in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 3:08 pm

          Danny, that’s going a tad too far. I mean, Gonzo probably does think that Pence would be a traitor for refusing to break the law in order to steal the election back. But that’s not the view of Trump and most of his supporters. They don’t agree that Pence would have been breaking the law. On the contrary, they accept Eastman’s legal advice that he would have been doing the right thing. Certainly Trump was within his rights to accept his lawyer’s advice, and to urge it upon Pence.

          However Pence, quite properly, consulted his own lawyer, who advised him that he had no legal authority to do as Eastman advised; and it should be very obvious to everyone except an utter narcissist and ignoramus like Trump, or an unprincipled person, that Pence’s duty was to follow his lawyer’s opinion, not that of someone else’s lawyer.

          The thing is, Eastman’s view is not obviously wrong. But it’s also not obviously correct. It’s got a major flaw — the very same flaw that the mainstream view that dismisses his view has. The problem is in the drafting of the 12th amendment, and it can’t be fixed without another amendment. The people who drew up and adopted the amendment in the first place seem not to have been thinking at all, and they left this giant ambiguity that needs to be resolved.

          MosesZD in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 11:49 pm

          No, what he’s saying is you don’t have a right to bitch since you have no principles. Pence did his Constitutionally mandated duty. End of Story!

          Trump tried to subborn that with his temper-tantrum. He lost. He’s damaged goods.

          And in this last election he HURT the Republicans who barely made any headway despite a massive polling advantage because dummies voted for his losers in the primaries and got them in the general..

          Dr.Dave in reply to gonzotx. | November 28, 2022 at 8:59 am

          Can’t be bothered to follow what law?

          jdfreivald in reply to gonzotx. | November 28, 2022 at 10:42 am

          The assumption here is that it was Pence’s duty to say that the vote was good. But that’s not what it means to certify a vote. In fact, if it looks like there might be problems with a vote, it’s the duty of the certifier _not_ to certify the vote.

        Whether you think he’s a ‘traitor’ or not, the simple fact is that Pence has absolutely ZERO chance of being elected, and anybody that says with a straight face that he has any shot, is an completely moron utterly disconnected from actual reality.

        Whether you like him or not, Pence simply pissed off too many conservatives first with his unbelievable lack of leadership when ‘leading’ the ‘rona team, and then with his cowardice over the election. And no, I don’t necessarily mean he’s a coward for not overturning the election.

        I mean he was a complete coward for hiding absolutely as long as humanely possible hoping somebody else was going to make the decision for him, and then claiming his decision was ‘required’.

        He’s a coward because he couldn’t even stand by the decision he made and acting like it was out of his hands. You can certainly justify the decision, but he acted like he wasn’t making the call at all – and he was.

        Pence has NO BASE OF POLITICAL SUPPORT, and a huge amount of conservatives that actively hate him.

        That’s simple reality. Trump can be beaten, but acting like Pence has a shot is a JOKE.

          healthguyfsu in reply to Olinser. | November 27, 2022 at 4:08 pm

          I agree with you 100% that Pence has no shot. I didn’t say he was a good candidate, just that he’s not a traitor as Trump supporters would brand him just for following the law.

          Milhouse in reply to Olinser. | November 29, 2022 at 1:44 am

          Olinser, the mainstream reading of the constitution, and also the legal advice Pence received, is that it was out of his hands. The constitution does not explicitly give the vice president any say whatsoever in the electoral count, so the mainstream view is that he has no role, and thus no call to make.

          The problem is that the 12th amendment does not say who should count the votes. It does not give that job to the vice president or to Congress. It describes both as merely passive witnesses to the count, and thus with no authority to raise or resolve any questions about it.

          Eastman seems correct that the Electoral Count Act giving such a power to Congress is probably unconstitutional; but his view that the power belongs instead to the vice president suffers the exact same problem.

        The “shitshow” that pisses me off to this day is Trump and the Republicans deciding, “We will show them, do not go out and vote in the Georgia Senate race runoffs.” Republicans would have won at least one. The Legislative “shitshow” we have seen since should have written on every piece of legislation, “Brought to you by Donny and the Republicans.”

      Frances1605 in reply to gonzotx. | November 28, 2022 at 1:08 pm

      Pence is a loser. Pompeo is CIA, and his presidency would be like Bush Sr.. Nikki is the Republican version of Kamala. I would not vote for any of them. I also would not like to see Tulsi Gabbard as a VP pick. I like her stance on the wars, but she is a CFR member or was. She is a globalist.

        WindyHill in reply to Frances1605. | November 28, 2022 at 4:42 pm

        Why do you compare Nikki Hakey to Kamala Harris?

          It does seem a bit odd, but I’ll venture a guess (not speaking for Frances, of course): both are weak, wishy-washy, finger-to-the-wind political weather vanes with no clear principles or ethics.

          Other than that, though, no real comparison. Haley isn’t socially-awkward to the point of being painful to watch, she can speak in complete sentences that make actual sense, and she doesn’t come across as condescending and kind of crazy like the cackling Kamala does.

          Both are minorities, so maybe that’s part of it? I mean who would look twice at either one for any national political office if they were white men?

    TPHobbit in reply to Milhouse. | November 27, 2022 at 12:30 am

    Don’t see Brian Kemp on the list.

    bobguzzardi48 in reply to Milhouse. | November 28, 2022 at 8:36 am

    ONLY Donald Trump can LIKE NO OTHER can Donald Trump wash the Augean Stables of corruption.

    LIKE NO OTHER Donald Trump has exposed a UniParty that has failed many of us. Donald Trump did what no one else had done. No one else could, or can, do what he did and I expect will do. Gov. DeSantis would NOT have been elected governor in 2018 had it not been for Trump 2016 and all that followed.

    I think Pres. Trump learned what Ronald Reagan so succinctly stated ” PERSONNEL IS POLICY”.
    Pres Trump appointed Christopher Wray and Bill Barr as well as HR McMasters and so many others. I think he relied a bit too much on VP Pence and Rona McDaniel and Kevin McCarthy and Sen. McConnell. and others of their ilk. He won’t make that mistake again.

      A few things: one, yes, Trump helped DeSantis in 2018, but it was then-Rep. DeSantis who first helped Trump in 2016, calling for the GOP to unite behind his candidacy. Favor granted, favor repaid. The end.

      Two, and how on earth do you imagine he will do anything with McCarthy as House Majority Leader (or Speaker, ENDORSED by Trump, by the way) and McConnell as Senate Majority Leader (he will stay in the post for as long as he wants it. Not a huge McConnell fan–though I do like that he protects the filibuster, but that’s the reality.).

      Three, without the support of Congress (see above re: your suggestion he not “rely” on GOP Congressional Leaders–an astounding statement given that any WH needs Congress to pass legislation), the deep state, pretty much any executive agency, how do you imagine he drains the swamp? He didn’t do it the first time, and he has far more enemies entrenched in the federal government now than he did even then. Again, reality.

      Four, all of that presupposes he actually wins the ’24 election. I don’t see a path to that for him (things could change, it’s two years away, but he’s really toxic to a huge number of Indies and centrists . . . and a growing number of conservatives. That I do not see changing because he cannot change.).

        Frances1605 in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | November 28, 2022 at 1:19 pm

        FYI-West Palm Beach, FL has the largest Club 45 pr0-Trump organization in America. I heard both Trump and DeSantis speak there. DeSantis didn’t build up those Florida patriots, but he benefitted from it. The Spanish in FL were already turning towards Republicans, and it wasn’t because they loved the party. It was a vote against communism they saw in the Democrat party. They are very concerned. Trump had already gotten them on board when President, but DeSantis benefitted from that.
        Regarding COVID policies in FL mothers organized and got in DeSantis’ face about COVID and CRT in schools. They never let up, and DeSantis went along with it. Mrs. DeSantis started Mamas for DeSantis after that, but DeSantis’ never built that. DeSantis wisely got an election fraud committee together and passed great election laws, so FL had pretty honest elections. He did build that!! I voted for DeSantis, but the Florida swamp is much different than the DC swamp. Trump can always self-fund his election if needed. How will DeSantis raise the millions needed to run against a Dem and NOT be beholden to donors? Both men have pros and cons to them. I voted for both men as well, but I can see how both will be exploited if possible.

    I don’t think Youngkin or Desantis ought to run. Their states need them more than the nation does, and they should put in full terms for their states before considering other offices.
    The thing they need to be doing is actually grooming a replacement.
    The one thing that Trump and other “saviors” keep failing to do is look beyond themselves toward the state’s and nation’s future. They should be bringing up young politicians behind themselves, building their character, training their fighting skills, and educating them in sound Constitutional doctrine.

    Show me the “conservative leader” doing that and you will show me the next leader I can get behind fully.

Oops, I omitted Cruz. I didn’t think he should be president in 2016, and I still don’t think he should be president. I think he’s more suited to shine in the senate for a while, and then get an appointment to a circuit court or the supreme court.

    txvet2 in reply to Milhouse. | November 26, 2022 at 10:21 pm

    I supported Cruz in 2016 due to lack of other options after Scott dropped out, but I agree that I’d rather have him as Senate Majority Leader or SCOTUS.

      txvet2 in reply to txvet2. | November 26, 2022 at 10:34 pm

      Scott Walker. I should never rely on memory anymore.

        gonzotx in reply to txvet2. | November 27, 2022 at 12:31 am

        Walker couldn’t handle anything after the first debate and dropped out.
        So
        Show he lost his state Governorship also

        Wisc is well
        Known for its cheating , that’s why Milwaukee and Madison always find those few extra votes , late at night, that always falls to the Democrats .
        Funny how that works, yet here we are and if you claim there is cheating well, you’re just a whiny bytch.
        I think that’s what I was called…

          Please stop posting copied and pasted articles from other sites here, particularly without attribution (a link) or even acknowledging that you are doing so. Thank you.

          gonzotx in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 1:28 pm

          That’s not a copy and paste, a few sentences, Every-time I give credit you scream that I can’t do that so what is it cause I’m confused.
          Personally I think it’s cause we disagree on pretty much everything

          Sorry for the confusion, I had to use a comment that was published to let you know to stop doing that. The copy and pastes from other sites hit the trash, so I couldn’t reply to one of them as an example. Hope this clears it up for you.

          healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 4:19 pm

          Two things, gonzo

          1. lay off the enter key

          2. my post was removed for ad hominem….your turn

Lol you
Put DeSantis first and dumped President Trump way down.

I
Never knew this was a Rino site. I just can’t believe you dont see through DeSantis, his backers and money handlers, and yes he is being handled
Brilliantly I must say , but guess you can fool a lot of people.
Trump Is the only one on any list that will fight for us. If you think that crocodile will eat you
Last by picking Saint DeSantis, the jokes on you

Unfortunately we will all suffer because of it.

    William A. Jacobson in reply to gonzotx. | November 26, 2022 at 9:40 pm

    The polling software randomizes the order. So it will appear differently for each person. No conspiracy here. No rigging the election.

      I know you mean well
      Professor, but I would check
      My Chinese connection with your software

      I do t think it was random

        txvet2 in reply to gonzotx. | November 26, 2022 at 10:14 pm

        Well, since your version put DeSantis first and Trump well down, it appears that the professor is right. For me, DeSantis is listed directly above Trump and they’re both in the middle of the pack.

          Close The Fed in reply to txvet2. | November 27, 2022 at 9:08 am

          It’s random for EVERY SINGLE VISITOR to the site? Whoa!

          Milhouse in reply to txvet2. | November 27, 2022 at 9:21 am

          It’s random for EVERY SINGLE VISITOR to the site? Whoa!

          Yes, that’s pretty standard practice for polling software.

          There’s at least one place — Tasmania — that attempts to do this in actual elections. They print batches of ballots with the candidates in different orders, and mix them up, so that each voter gets a random ballot. I don’t think they actually print every possible permutation, but they get close. (With modern tech they could actually do every possible permutation; my information is from before that was practical.)

        4rdm2 in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 4:29 am

        Oh go dry up Gonzo, and stop acting like a lefty.

        TrickyRicky in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 12:40 pm

        I voted for Trump reluctantly in 2016.
        I voted for Trump enthusiasically in 2020.
        I believe Trump is the best president of my lifetime.
        I would obviously vote Trump or DeSantis in 2024.

        That being said, you, madam, have become oh so tiresome.

          gonzotx in reply to TrickyRicky. | November 27, 2022 at 1:25 pm

          Of that’s what it takes, so be it

          Interesting response. So what exactly do you think you are accomplishing with your constant shrieking about Trump as some kind of Christ figure and sniping at anyone who doesn’t share that view with the same fawning devotion? I ask because I’m pretty sure you’re accomplishing the exact opposite of what you hope/intend.

          Valerie in reply to TrickyRicky. | November 27, 2022 at 5:56 pm

          I would place it a little differently. Trump was so far down on my list in 2015, I couldn’t see him. I wanted to vote for Walker, in part because I thought he was tough enough to handle the shenanigans from the Democrats. He never got any traction. I watched all my favorites wash out, and I also watched the slander machine go berserk, which he turned to his advantage. I watched a few speeches, and knew it was slander.

          Then I saw the wikileaks conspiracy emails. The whole election was a campaign of slander.

          I saw the Washington Post write up his inaugural speech as if it were “dark” for promising a more level playing field for black families.

          Then, I saw that man work like hell to deliver on his promises to us, with wonderful results. I saw that he kept track of his promises.

          I saw the campaign of slander continue, with riots by the Democrats’ pet disorganizations, and multiple kangaroo courts, to the point that I have lost all confidence in the ethics of the Democrats at the national level, and a few of the top Republicans.

          I don’t know any other politician at the national level that can survive the torrent of unethical nonsense the Democrats deliver. If we decide to dump Trump (and that is how it will be seen) they will be emboldened, and engage in ever-worsening behavior.

          That’s why I call Trump our snowplow. If we get Trump, then we get DeSantis, and Lake and a whole new crop of capable people. Otherwise, we (all the voters) are done.

          That’s my call. I can readily see why others would not want to take on that baggage, but to me, it’s what we have.

      Ty… Interesting.. and good to know.

      Prof. Jacobson, I hope you and your family, and the staff at LI, had a happy Thanksgiving. Thanks for all you(se) do.

    Frances1605 in reply to gonzotx. | November 28, 2022 at 1:23 pm

    Trump is the only one talking about Term Limits which is a big plus for me! Anyone who talks about Term Limits has my attention.

      Milhouse in reply to Frances1605. | November 29, 2022 at 2:00 am

      Term limits on whom? Congress?! That would take a constitutional amendment, and the president has no role whatsoever in amending the constitution. He doesn’t get a say in the matter, and is not even consulted. (My reading of the presentment clause says that’s unconstitutional, but the supreme court long ago considered the question and disagreed. The reasoning in that decision is contradicted by the reasoning in the Adam Clayton Powell decision, but in practical terms that doesn’t mean anything.)

Paul
Ryan, the DeSantis acolyte….

THIS.IS.WHAT.YOU.WILL.GET.GOOD.AND. HARD!!!!!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/26/paul-ryans-anti-trump-agenda-new-taxes-more-migrants-spending-cuts/

    GravityOpera in reply to gonzotx. | November 26, 2022 at 10:58 pm

    I did not know that DeSantis and Ryan were the same person! Or maybe Ryan is smart enough to see who has the best shot in 204 and is hooking his wagon to DeSantis.

    Convince me that deficit spending is better than raising taxes. Right now we’re paying for Trump’s 2020 policy of welfare spending and reduced tax revenue (due to said welfare spending.) (I am not excusing Biden. The damaged he has done is built on top of the foundation built by Trump’s constant budget deficit increases.)

      Really, you think Paul Ryan just wants to hook his “wagon” to a rising star?
      Well tickle me
      Pink!
      Ryan
      Hangs with the masters of the universe and They have paid, last count, almost 300,000,000 $ to this “rising star”

      Griffin had already said what he expects for the money, and it ain’t “America First”

      Dang!!!!

      Right cause all of the 18 trillion before Trump was his fault

        GravityOpera in reply to gonzotx. | November 28, 2022 at 6:44 am

        I said that Ryan was “smart enough” to hitch his wagon to a rising star. That is not the same thing as saying he wants to hitch his wagon to DeSantis. There are plenty of things I don’t want to do in life, but I’m smart enough to do anyway.

        The federal debt exploded by ~40% during Trump’s presidency according to FRED data. This is despite claiming before the 2016 election that he knew how to handle debt and would pay off the federal debt in eight years.

    Frances1605 in reply to gonzotx. | November 28, 2022 at 1:27 pm

    Paul Ryan’s other job.
    https://www.teneo.com/speaker-paul-ryan-appointed-teneo-vice-chairman/

    To achieve that, Teneo hires influential political and corporate figures to advise clients. Last month it added its latest superstar, William J. Bratton, the former top police official in New York, Los Angeles and Boston, who will head a new security unit.

    Other prominent employees have included former President Bill Clinton and Huma Abedin, who, starting in 2012, briefly worked at Teneo while employed at the State Department under Secretary Hillary Clinton. At the same time, Ms. Abedin held a paid position at the Clinton Foundation, the family-founded charitable organization. Last year, Teneo declined to answer questions from the Senate Judiciary Committee regarding Ms. Abedin’s employment.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/23/business/a-constellation-of-influencers-behind-the-curtain-at-teneo.html

I didn’t vote as I am not sure.
I think Trump can be his own worst enemy too often, even though he already has plenty of enemies who are the right ones to have.
From what I saw, Pence went wobbly as gov. of Indiana and I thought he did a poor job navigating the 2020 election concerns, even if he didn’t think he had a role that was anything but ceremonial in essence, don’t plan to vote for him.
I don’t know if DeSantis is getting all of the GOPe support because he is one of them, or because they think he can defeat Trump even if he isn’t one of them, so undecided. I think he did a lot in standing against CRT, sexualization of children, Covid hysteria, all high marks.
I like some of what I saw of Pompeo.
I am not sure how much it matters, not sure if a perfect candidate for our time could rally enough of the gop to actually be of help, could overcome enough of the deep state, and maintain his own sanity, let alone put his family (if he has one, which most if not all do, I think)
through the he__.

    DeSantis is getting a lot of broad support because he can appeal to both moderate suburbanites and hard right rural voters, and everyone in between. Even people who aren’t sold on DeSantis see him as the necessary, and acceptable, transitional figure to move on from Trump.

Part II
Tom Cotton I would consider, maybe Hawley or Abbot but don’t know enough. No to Cheney, Haley, Noem, Christie, Scotts, and Hogan. Don’t know about Youngkin being ready for president, like lots of things about Cruz but not sure he would be the best candidate.
God told Jeremiah that He would make him as an iron pillar and bronze walls to stand against all who opposed him….that’s about what us needed.

    gonzotx in reply to MDP. | November 26, 2022 at 10:45 pm

    MDP…

    I’m from Texas and I can tell
    You Abbott is Rino through and through as are most of all The people you
    Name
    Unfortunately we live in times we NEED a Patton, not a McClellan
    Our Patton is Trump,
    No one, an I mean no one Could
    Withstand the 6 years he has stood and he keeps taking the arrows for us all. The reason they all are coming at him is because they know, he is the only
    One that can defeat them, but if we don’t do Something about mail in ballots and
    Harvesting of ballots, nothing will ever matter again.
    If our vote meant something , they wouldn’t let us do it and they are pretty close to accomplishing that.
    We should be kissing the ground he walks on, not Blaming him for his tweets and enemies

    He is the only one standing between them
    And us

I’m feelin’ bad for Liz ….. PSYCH! Is there any way to cast an anti-vote so she starts polling in negative numbers?

    healthguyfsu in reply to MrE. | November 26, 2022 at 11:36 pm

    She’s one of maybe three people on the list where I’d definitely vote for Trump if she was the only other option.

    I’m surprised they didn’t decide to troll us for a good laugh with Romney on there, too.

      I’d vote for Romney’s magic underwear before I voted for Romney.

      Have you any idea who the twirpy troll is who romps through the comments giving down-thumbs? Someone sure get’s their panties in a knot easily …

        healthguyfsu in reply to MrE. | November 27, 2022 at 4:12 pm

        Don’t even worry about it. Haters gonna hate.

        Gonzo is one of them she deems unworthy of pointing out Trump’s flaws, but there are others who just lurk and do it for the heck of it.

Would be interesting to see second choice for President and choice for VP. Tulsi Gabbard should be included in VP list.

    gonzotx in reply to Lexman. | November 27, 2022 at 12:23 am

    She a lefty of the highest accord. Do you even understand what she campaigned on? Just because she sees some of the crap they are pulling and pulled on her , she is far left in most everything.
    Jesus
    Is it her youth and good looks or are peole here just too lazy to do their own research

Would be interesting to see second choice for President poll and poll for VP. Tulsi Gabbard should be included in VP list.

    The top contender to be DeSantis’ running mate is Rep. Garcia from California. He’d help double-down on Hispanic support for the GOP, provide racial balance, and most importantly the regional balance that could help stop the entire Southwest (and West in general) from continuing to be handed over to the Democrats.

Personally, I think I’ll wait to see a poll of people who are actually running, which should exclude pretty much everybody but a handful of people on this one.

DeSantis and Trump right now seem the only two choices, but things can change. I would support and vote for either. The rest are not yet proven or have proven themselves not worthy. Cruz is fine in the Senate, he has no chance in the primary or general. I don’t trust Noem, Pence, Haley and a number of others on the list.

I don’t buy the DeSantis is a tool of globalists spiel. I do believe that opponents of conservatives want to see the party split and weakened, but I think he would do an awesome job.

Anyone who doesn’t like Trump because of fatigue from all the negative press – it doesn’t make any difference who gets nominated. All the candidates will suffer from the same issues. The corrupt elements of the DoJ/FBI/press will try to stop anyone who runs. Fake indictments for fake classified document scandals should not dictate who our candidate is.

    I am not tired of the negative coverage of Trump, I am tired of him doing stupid mistakes like picking fights with DeSantis and Youngkin that hurt him and show his lack of impulse control. Hey

      gonzotx in reply to MDP. | November 27, 2022 at 12:18 am

      You have to take the “bad with the good. You still looking for me perfect?
      Men like Trump and Patton,, probably Grant, they shoot from the hip
      Because they are fighters, you don’t beat monsters with measured polite society.
      The Lion must protect his turf, it’s the law of the jungle and if you dont think it’s a jungle out there, where the he’ll have you been.
      Youngkin is weak, DeSantis is already bought and sold
      I’m standing
      With the Lion

        4rdm2 in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 4:32 am

        What do you get out of making stuff up?

          gonzotx in reply to 4rdm2. | November 27, 2022 at 2:11 pm

          I have made nothing up, but I do do
          My research
          Have a nice day

          Milhouse in reply to 4rdm2. | November 27, 2022 at 3:12 pm

          Gonzo, what you call “research” consists of consulting tarot cards, your tea leaves, and some lunatics who are even less reliable than those. You make stuff up, and all of your sources make stuff up. Not one of them has even a shred of credibility.

        Lion? Lion?? Have you taken a good look at your hero lately? He looked orange, puffy, and ready to pass out during his candidacy speech and he’s hanging out with goofballs like Kanye West and that Fuentes kid. Next he’ll be riding a mobility scooter into his ‘rallies’. We need someone young and vigorous who can serve more than one term to pull us out of this mess. And that ain’t Trump, who reminds me more and more of one of those candy marshmallow circus peanuts.

    healthguyfsu in reply to PrincetonAl. | November 26, 2022 at 11:39 pm

    It makes a huge difference actually. The more material available to damage the nominee, the worse it will be. While it’s true that all of Trump’s material is probably out there, the damage is done. He’s unelectable. You might as well not even try if Trump is the nominee. All of these delusional cultists don’t seem to realize that Trump is finished in DC.

      You might as well not even try if Trump is the nominee.
      Now that is a silly position, IMO. While there are some I wouldn’t even bother with on that list, Trump would at least have a chance if he were the nominee. LOTS of people (including me) would vote for him – as to whether it is enough (to overcome the margin of fraud) is where the work of a campaign comes in.

    If you
    Don’t buy the DeSantis billionaire , Paul Ryan connections, do your own research, follow the freaking money. I’ve posted endless li ls here for you to read and do your due diligence.

Trump is finished when he says he’s finished

And if you continue to sit by while the left globalists, RINOs, media, Courts and DOJ try to put OUR President in jail, then you deserve the shit storm they will rain down in you

Trump Always said, they are really coming after us, he’s just standing in their way, and he’s right. Already 5 million more illegal aliens have run across our borders… and we did nothing…they are going to replace you, there are probably over 40
Million illegals in this country and counting. They care nothing of our culture, they only want.. want out money, out lands, our everything and they don’t want to wait in line or pay for anything.

But orange man bad.. he wanted to stop it, build a wall, protect America..

Hell, Slimy Schmidt and the RINOs are planning a quick
Path to Citizenship for them All.

We have lost our country you just don’t know it yet.

They stole elections in 2018,2020, and 2022 and what as a people did we do?

Pretty much nothing after Jan 6. Made that yellow stripe even wider

Now we are all meek buffoons
The people of Venezuela have more courage than we will ever.

Their courts are now declaring if they don’t stop protesting the illegal election they will take their children away from them

They fight, we hide from tweets

We don’t deserve President Trump

    Close The Fed in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 9:29 am

    This ^^^^^, x 340,000,000.

    Danny in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 11:29 am

    His winning is finished and as a result our making him our standard bearer must also be finished.

    “Trump is finished when he says he’s finished”

    He was finished when he lost in November 2020. He was finished when he and his gullible core supporters handed the Democrats the Senate in January 2021. He was finished when his hand picked candidates blew the 2022 election.

    The majority of the country never liked him, and he only eked out a slim win in 2016 because Hillary was a uniquely bad candidate who happened to be pure concentrated evil… who nonetheless received more of the popular vote than Trump did.

      He won, they cheated End of story.

      healthguyfsu in reply to The Political Hat. | November 27, 2022 at 4:17 pm

      Trump’s supporters also underestimate the lack of turnout in 2016 that led to Trump’s win.

      The entire media machine posted polls that told everyone Trump had zero chance. Many people didn’t even bother to vote because of it. They have since corrected that mistake.

    healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 4:15 pm

    No, Trump is finished when the voters say he’s finished. That’s something neither you nor Trump seem to understand.

      They said he was “finished” in 2016, laughed at him,
      Hmm

        healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 7:47 pm

        And he’s gone O fer since then.

        He’s finished.

          Frances1605 in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 28, 2022 at 1:53 pm

          Sorry, Trump has and will always tremendously influence our country. Without his presidency, most would still be sleeping. He is much like Ron Paul, who is an excellent educator. Many have learned much about the inner workings of our country through both. Love him or hate him, Trump will never go away. That is good for America. Even the raid of Mar a Lago concerned the masses. You will not shut this guy up unless something terrible happens. God forbid!! Even if that does happen, the America First movement will keep going!

          healthguyfsu in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 29, 2022 at 12:25 am

          Like Ron Paul, Trump is unelectable. If surrender is not an option, you need to go to war with an army that can win.

Anyone got some George Washington DNA we can clone?

None of them, so long as the Democrat fraud machine is allowed to run. Fix Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia and maybe they have a shot.

I would like this broken into 2 questions:
1.. Assuming you could choose not just the nominee, but actually choose who would be sworn in as president in January 2025, who would you pick?
2. Factoring in electability, who would you pick as the Republican nominee?

My answers are these:
1. Trump. He was a great president and, with his 1st term experience under his belt, he would be an even better president starting in 2025.
2. As things stand today, DeSantis. He’s as MAGA as anyone else, he’s been a successful governor of a big state for just shy of 4 years, and he’s turned Florida Republican.

    henrybowman in reply to Ira. | November 27, 2022 at 5:02 am

    If my single vote decided the presidency immediately, I’d do Trump, no question… if only because it would give the Rs a deeper future bench. Factor in electability, and I’m afraid the Trump name has been too poisoned. Of course, if the nominee isn’t Trump, the poison firehose just moves to the winner.

Elections mean less and less each year. If the AZ election is certified then I don’t see any reason to continue the tradition of voting. Please send my Social Security checks and keep my ballot for the biannual Harvest Festival.

Donald Trump is about Main Street, and like it or not,, he was right about a lot of stuff. Would Ron do a good job? Probably.. Would Donald do a good job? No, he would be great. People argue that he cannot win.. Well, unless something happens, no GOP candidate can win. That is the sad truth we must face. The candidate doesn’t matter when the election has.. ummmm, issues. Ron has Florida.. they love him… Donald Trump has a strong and passionate base. Fuzzy asked to hear reasons for one or the other, there was never a choice in my mind, but I know people here are pretty well split..

FWIW, I am beginning to see ad hominem attacks come back…Rags is gone,,, VF is… well.. she is not here. I thought that was pretty much over.

    We’re working on removing ad hominem attacks on other LI readers. It’s not acceptable here, and I would urge everyone to review their comments before posting because we remove otherwise great comments/points for ad hominem.

      Close The Fed in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | November 27, 2022 at 9:32 am

      Didn’t know this. Didn’t know anyone’s comments were removed.

      Yeah, Rags was a drag.

        healthguyfsu in reply to Close The Fed. | November 27, 2022 at 4:25 pm

        I had one removed and it was justified. I let my frustration with the craziness being spewed get the better of me.

        I apologize to the board but not the poster. Nothing redeeming comes from their posts anymore, and they make the entire place look crazy.

No matter who the gop chooses, the commie left will smear them as the worst thing since the worst thing. Doesn’t matter who is chosen.

Noem, Pence, Tim Scott, Haley — all too soft all too establishment, not pro-American enough.

Youngkin, don’t know enough. But he’s close to D.C. which is a plus. I think the school problems got him elected. Unsure what else he’s accomplished.

Trump, I normally agree with Gonzo, but Trump – though a frequent litigant – is not a lawyer, and he listened to Bob Barr Loblaw too much. You CAN ignore the courts. Sure we have a constitution, but it has a LOT of gray areas and Barr kept telling him, no, it’s black and white. No the hell it is not.

Also, he got rolled by Ryan, he endorsed McConnell — MCCONNELL THE CHINAMAN!!! My gosh. Sometimes you have to make a man walk the plank.

Also, Kushner criticized DeSantis for flying the illegal aliens to Martha’s Vineyard. Did Trump sanction that sentiment? Would Kushner be in the loop again? I think Kushner loves being that proximate to power and uses that proximity to get what he wants — which evidently, is to treat Martha’s Vineyard and illegal aliens with kid gloves. Forget that.

DeSantis. Anyone not worried about Paul Ryan – a Fox board member as well as everything else he is/was – backing DeSantis, is naive.

DeSantis has very favorable winds in Florida. He’s got a legislature that will give him what he wants. He won’t have that in D.C.

DeSantis is very, very promising. But we have to be clear-eyed about what the facts are.

In short, I prefer DeSantis FOR NOW, barring new information. If I get new info, I would chuck him and go to the next best choice, which for now, is Trump.

    Also, Kushner criticized DeSantis for flying the illegal aliens to Martha’s Vineyard

    You’re kidding right? It was a dog amd pony show, he actually sent a scouting party into Texas to
    “Select” illegals, ONCE, to get some street creed. ONCE. Amd when he got some
    Black lash for the funds he used he pulled his “people “, got scared, didn’t want bad publicity.
    He’s a coward. For God sakes even Abbott has sent about a hundred buses, nothing really, but “Ron” sent “One” and got scared. but mission accomplished. He fooled you.

    “Trump, I normally agree with Gonzo, but Trump – though a frequent litigant – is not a lawyer, and he listened to Bob Barr Loblaw too much.”

    He had no one to listen to for God sakes, he had snakes everywhere, including Pence. He just fired Sessions, way too late , but he was constantly being threatened and given awful advice.
    Yes, Ruby Ridge and Waco should have told President Trump something, but how
    Many arrows did he have in his back, front, head at that point?

    Give me a break

      txvet2 in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 5:24 pm

      “”He had no one to listen to for God sakes “”

      He’s the one who said that his two closest advisors were his daughter and her hubby – two leftists. It’s not that he didn’t have anybody to listen to, he didn’t know how to pick the right people to listen to. I don’t suppose it will ever dawn on cultists that his biggest flaw was the thing that got him the nomination – his selection of the right people for the right job turned out to be just a script, not a skill.

    healthguyfsu in reply to Close The Fed. | November 27, 2022 at 4:43 pm

    FYI on Youngkin, he hasn’t done much because of the legislative stalemate with Dems.

    They won’t budge on abortion, but he has helped business in the Commonwealth.

While I like Trump…he’s been to the puppet show and seen the strings so knows the system better this time around, he’ll be 80. It’s past due clearing out the ancients who have been in those seats for far too long, gaming everything to fill their off-shore accounts with ill-gotten gains. Time to start electing younger folks to take the helm.

DeSantis is the only choice for me.

    gonzotx in reply to Camperfixer. | November 27, 2022 at 1:11 pm

    You get folks? That’s your criteria? Cause that’s kind of ridiculous.
    No one has President Trumps stamina, and ability to Grasp World issues and gravitas to make the difference and difficult decisions.

I think it highly unlikely DeSantis will challenge Trump.

I am a member of the Palm Beach County Republican party as a rank and file member of the Republican Executive Committee and a Regional Director District 7>

Gov. DeSantis cannot defeat Pres. Trump in a primary without Palm Beach County Republican Votes and there is little, if any, support for such a divisive primary.

Ron DeSantis is Governor 2018 because of Trump 2016. No Trump; No DeSantis and everyone in the Palm Beach County Republican Party knows that.

“I will support the man who started the movement” Gail Olsen Republican Activist in Palm Beach County. Gail Olsen is a long time Republican activist and managed a recent campaign for House District 88. Her comments represent the thinking of many.

In the Palm Beach County Republican Party, there is overwhelming support for Trump 2024. NOT DeSantis 2024. I am not aware of anyone active in Palm Beach County Republican politics that supports a DeSantis challenge to Trump.
Such a challenge would split Palm Beach County Republican activists, both in leadership, and rank and file.
I

DeSantis was just re-elected to a FOUR year term. We, in Florida, need him.

The Palm Beach County Chairman Michael Barnett has said, publicly, that he will, personally, support Donald Trump for President.

Typically, the PBC Executive Committee does NOT make endorsements in the primary but I think Chairman Barnett’s views are widely shared as far as I know. I know other activists, who both work and who contribute significant amounts of money and time, are supporting Trump 2024

Club 45 is the largest Trump organization in the country and will draw a 1000 people to its monthly meetings and the organization and its Board are solidly Trump 2024. ( Larry and Sue Snowden and Joe Budd as well as Linda Stoch are accessible .

Club 45 USA, Inc is a non-profit corporation formed to support the agenda of our 45th President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.

Our club is the largest “Trump Club” in the nation with meeting attendance often exceeding 2,000 people. We meet monthly with an agenda that strives to provide top notch speakers, educational events & programs for our membership. Our goals include keeping Donald Trump supporters in our county connected and engaged and to support current and future endeavors of Donald J. Trump.

Additionally, our club is very active in our support of the re-election efforts of Ron DeSantis as Governor of Florida.
http://club45usa.com/

    Thank you sir! Sound reasoning!

    But DeSantis is waiting for President Trumps “indictment”, trust me on this

    It will be well orchestrated, he will be doing it “for the Country, as much as he is sadden he will need to abandon his Gov office”

    I heard the Florida legislature is trying to pass a bill that Ron can remain Gov while running for President, so if he loses, he has a job to go Back to
    $ 300,000,000 and growing, that’s not chicken fed money.

      txvet2 in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 5:37 pm

      “”$ 300,000,000 and growing””

      Source? Last reliable report I saw was that he had raised around 200MM for this election and had spent almost half. I do understand, though, your frustration at seeing all of those former Trump supporters dropping him like a hot rock.

        gonzotx in reply to txvet2. | November 27, 2022 at 6:45 pm

        He did not spend 100,000,000, . He acquired 250,000,000 prior to the election, by the way both Noem and DeWine won their governorships by a much bigger percentage than Desantis.

        So why not the love for them?

        Hmmm
        Guess they need to get “one” bus of illegals and send it to Biden’s house.

          txvet2 in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 7:33 pm

          He apparently spent about 90 mil. I said “about half”, which is close enough of the actual 190 million reported. You still haven’t sourced your claim of 300 million, and every time one of you “reports” his contributions, it jumps by 25-30 million. The rest of your comment is, of course, an off-topic deflection to hide the fact that you still haven’t sourced your claims.

          Yes, actually, he did spend approximately $100m, and it’s been widely reported that he did so.

          “DeSantis has more than $90 million remaining in the bank after spending about $100 million total this election cycle on his reelection bid via his aligned committee and campaign.”

        gonzotx in reply to txvet2. | November 27, 2022 at 8:05 pm

        First of all
        You are not including the PAC money
        Contributions made by a nonconnected PAC can,
        As committees, solicit and accept unlimited contributions from individuals, corporations, labor organizations and other political committees, Super PACs and Hybrid PACs do not make contributions to candidates.

        DeSantis doesn’t have to report them, but of course you k ew that

        Love this one…

        ‘Ron to the Rescue’ PAC,

        The PAC was reportedly founded by GOP strategist John Thomas, who serves as founder and president of the political advertising and strategy group Thomas Partners Strategies.

        Robert Bigelow, a Las Vegas hotel executive who went on to found Bigelow Aerospace with the goal of building the first commercial space station, donated a record $10 million to a political action committee supporting DeSantis’ reelection campaign in what was the state’s single largest political donation ever made by an individual, according to campaign filings.

        The donation, which was Bigelow’s first major contribution to a Florida candidate, made him DeSantis’ single biggest individual benefactor over the last two years

        Griffin was the second largest individual donor, after Bigelow, to a pro-DeSantis PAC, donating $5 million early in the election cycle. He later gave another $5 million to the Republican Party of Florida, which was a major supporter of DeSantis’ campaign.

        Well I could go on and it’s just simple math, but got to go

    Spoiler: The broader Republican primary electorate is over Trump, and even a lot of people who are more involved and supported Trump will say in private that they support DeSantis now. A lot of people acquired power within the GOP under Trump and will support Trump, no matter how badly he hurts the GOP at the ballot box, because their own intraparty positions of power are dependent on it. The Trumpian GOP is the actual “GOPe”.

    Can you get DeSantis to start grooming a really good replacement? That sort of activity would be a great use of the energies of our growing crop of decent governors.
    Also, make sure he doesn’t believe his own press releases. A swelled head is the biggest obstacle to a great governor or great president.

The question is not which candidate can beat this candidate or that of The Screaming D’s, or anyone else. Even less is it the perfection or anticipated behavior of any once in office, beyond doing what we chartered them to do by electing them. The question is whether The Feckless R’s can do their job as a party enough to stand a chance with any candidate or nominee.

Whatever his flaws, The One delivered on his promises, literal and metaphorical — vapid, shallow, and performative though his results were. That’s what he promised, what he delivered, and what he demonstrated in a campaign of gestures. But, I digress…

I am for a government holding space for the kaleidoscope of humans doing things. In this, for me, The Screaming D’s have become completely unacceptable: for their principles — which are bad and wrong, for their policies — which are destructive and self-dealing, and personally — they are just horrible people. Aesthetically too — they’re distasteful in every possible way.

Life, the world, and the futures of both are diminished by these people’s doing, impulsive, unconscious, willful, and designed. I do not forgive them for their orchestrated chaos driving fear for my safety into my friends, more than once. I do not forgive them for similar affronts I dare not inventory.

Neither am I “for” The Feckless R’s, except only that they are more controllable than The Party Unbound of the other guys. The question is whether The Feckless R’s can do their job as a party enough to stand a chance with any candidate or nominee.

    healthguyfsu in reply to BierceAmbrose. | November 27, 2022 at 4:34 pm

    Trump delivered on about 50% of his promises, which is admittedly a better track record than most politicians.

    He didn’t build the wall. He didn’t get another country to pay for it

    He didn’t drain the swamp…instead, he created a revolving door of “yes men” who he burned through at an alarming pace. He also stabbed them in the back often, then wondered why they stabbed him in the back later.

    He didn’t end Obamacare

    He didn’t lock up Hillary

    On the other hand…

    He did lower taxes

    He did improve the SCOTUS dramatically

    He did create Space Force (part of a promise to improve STEM)

    Other than that, I can’t think of anything he promised that he kept.

      So President Trump delivered 50% of his promises DESPITE being stabbed in the. Back by the RINOs, Paul Ryan, McConnell, Democrats, Media, Military, Academics, most Courts…globalists, China….

      Damn just imagine what he could do with a real
      a Republican Party?

      Damn….

      BierceAmbrose in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 27, 2022 at 9:13 pm

      There are folks who keep far more precise lists than I.

      We should add at least out of Paris Climate Accords, avoiding Trans Pacific Partnership, renegotiate NAFTA, getting Europe to meet their commitments to NATO, “fixing” trade with China, no more payments to Iran.

      Reducing regulation — executive order removing regulations for every new one.

        healthguyfsu in reply to BierceAmbrose. | November 27, 2022 at 11:40 pm

        We could add more broken promises, too. I just picked the major highlights from each group. At least, the ones I cared about the most.

        I also don’t consider starting trade wars as “fixing” trade. Remember, he started those with Europe too, not just China.

Trump should be in the primaries. He will call out the deep State, Administrative State and all the BS corruption of the DOJ. He can get the meaningful issues on the table and we can glimpse the true metal of the other candidates. If they can’t explain what a woman is because they aren’t biologists we don’t want them. AND . . . If they call out Trump for calling Carly Fiorina “Horse Face”., let’s have that on the table.

We know that this is war and we have to have someone who will take it to the Left. The Left will do anything. We have seen enough.

Ah the joys of aging and scattered thoughts … this comment thread reminds me it’s been awhile since I last saw the Blazing Saddles campfire scene …

https://youtu.be/VPIP9KXdmO0

Lots can change in 2 years, but as things stand now, nobody on this list can beat the dem machine. Please keep Gov Desantis here in FL where he can do the most good. WTH, put Trump out there, he’ll lose….bigly! Hope we still have a country by 2028!

    gonzotx in reply to budmania. | November 27, 2022 at 6:36 pm

    He only loses if the cheating of mail in ballots and harvesting continues

    Just like last time he won in 2020

      healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 7:57 pm

      Someone in the exact mold of Trump….

      …Already has a built-in excuse if he loses before it even happens.

      Do you not understand how incredibly stupid you and HE look by claiming cheating before the fact?

      Hell, he claimed “rigged” in 2016 the night before the election and won. That was clue number one that he had no idea what he was spewing about.

      Is it possible that there was still cheating? Yes…is there any real evidence? Nope, not on a scale that tips an election.

      You look like a close-minded, child-like simpleton by refusing to acknowledge any other possibility beyond your temper tantrum, foot-stamping, warped view of reality.

      Republicans don’t seem to agree on Trump, but you can damn sure believe Democrats do! That’s a ridiculously bad combination for his chances of ever winning anything again. Any neutral and objective observer could see even if they were legally blind!

        BierceAmbrose in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 28, 2022 at 1:26 pm

        Interesting combination. Reply 1 of 3…

        “Rigged” doesn’t mean “cheating”, necessarily “Real evidence” exists including testimony, records and sometimes video. Does any of that end up air-tight? No. Were the investigations vigorous and comprehensive, also no.

        As for shenanigans, if we’re changing the word as we go, Zuck-bucks injected into polling administration (BTW, 822 new counts — asserted by a court, with named penalties — this time round in Washington State), funded outreach that happens to skew by party affiliation, search-result prioritizations projected to skew votes by over the margin of victory nationally — guy was Stanford, AIR, adverse information suppression, widely-publicized raids on administration members and other “associates” — let’s note last month’s back page “resolution” of the pre-election Rudy Juliani matter from before the election, pre-election “emergency” voting rule changes and procedures pushed through without time to adjudicate them through the courts before the ballots come in. Etc.

        So, what’s the claim, what’s the standard of evidence, what constitutes sufficient proof?

        BierceAmbrose in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 28, 2022 at 1:31 pm

        This is bang-on (3 of 3)

        “Republicans don’t seem to agree on Trump, but you can damn sure believe Democrats do! That’s a ridiculously bad combination for his chances of ever winning anything again. ”

        Maybe The Feckless R’s will stop playing Washington Generals to The Screaming D’s Harlem Globetrotters before they end up Mensheviks to the D’s Bolsheviks, and drag the rest of us with them.

The question was, “whom do you want to win the 2024 GOP nomination for president? And why?”

I have three criteria, all of which must be met: (1) very substantial executive experience; (2) can unify the country or, at least, relegate the fringe to where it belongs; and (3) can win. IMO among, Trump, Pence, DeSantis, and Christie, DeSantis is the only one to meet all of my criteria.

I think the last election told us a bit. Trump chooses poorly, to paraphrase the Harrison Ford movie. However, we knew that already, with guys like Sessions, Rosenstein, Wray and Barr, the choices of whom arguably cost him reelection. He also has no coattails, especially versus DeSantis’ unique and stunning victory. Although, Pence and Christie are qualified and could be unifying – CC did a decent job running a heavily Dem state for 8 years and won reelection by a much bigger margin than DeSantis did – neither can win in 2024.

Not on my criteria list is my strong belief that 2024 should be for the next generation; and that the party that wakes up to this first will have an advantage. That is neither Trump nor Biden.

    gonzotx in reply to jb4. | November 27, 2022 at 6:35 pm

    There is so much wrong with what you wrote it’s hard to start…

    Pence- traitor, maybe 500 votes at best

    Christie- sold
    His soul to the RINOs a long time ago, not even 500 votes

    DeSantis- already sold his soul early , will
    Be allowed to continue his MAGA lite for the upcoming election

    President Trump- The only “One”

    There, I fixed it for you…

      healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 8:04 pm

      Literally, none of what you wrote in there is true sans Christie (who Trump was best buddies with AFTER he was declared a RINO circa 2014 in Obama regime)

        henrybowman in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 28, 2022 at 1:32 am

        Christie fails for me out of the gate because his record on guns sucks, NJ or no NJ.

        People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single-issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn’t true. What I’ve chosen, in a world where there’s never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician — or political philosophy — is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.

        Make no mistake: all politicians — even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership — hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it’s an X-ray machine. It’s a Vulcan mind-meld. It’s the ultimate test to which any politician — or political philosophy — can be put.

        If a politician isn’t perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash — for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything — without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn’t your friend no matter what he tells you.

        –L NEIL SMITH

    healthguyfsu in reply to jb4. | November 27, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    If that last one is a criterion for the next election, then we are screwed because it will just be who can give away the most loan forgiveness and free goodie bags to the moochers.

    You can’t even appeal to them about how it will cost their children later on because so many of them don’t want to have kids.

      healthguyfsu in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 27, 2022 at 8:13 pm

      Our best hope is:

      1. Finally grow up all of these children to think like adults. Some might still be redeemable.

      2. Fix the next generation by curbing all of this propaganda brainwashing that’s been occurring over the last 2 decades.

        2. Fix the next generation by curbing all of this propaganda brainwashing that’s been occurring over the last 2 decades.
        This is the only real solution, anyway. Relying upon human “saviors” to pull our Republic out of the fire will just continue the slide away from freedom. We have to evangelize and indoctrinate our neighbors back to Christian morals and American ideals.
        My only argument with your statement is that it’s been going on a lot longer than 2 decades. Progressivism in education has been working on our populace for at least 50 years, if not 120. Progressivism in culture has been creeping boldly striding in for at least 30 years.

Perhaps we should pay attention to the way Democrats treat ALL Republicans.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/11/exsurgeon_general_jerome_adams_reveals_his_struggles_while_seeking_employment_after_leaving_trumps_white_house.html

When a former surgeon general of the US can’t get a job because of prejudice in academia, we need to pay attention to what is really happening.

    gonzotx in reply to Valerie. | November 27, 2022 at 7:50 pm

    Everyone here should read that article, some
    Here claim
    President Trump surrounded himself with the lowest of the lowest, yet they refuse to acknowledge that he was forced to make choices he really didn’t want to because, just Like Musk, clearly on a smaller level, but as an example, had to make do because people chose their future career over serving the Country under President Trump. It didn’t matter if they believed in “America First”, the left, which is unfortunately HUGE and engrained in every facet of this county, threatened their well being and that of their families.

    It’s only gotten worse and instead of standing strong, they take the knee, we have seen a lot of taking the knee around these parts instead of supporting “President Trump and America first and always.

    You know President Trump didn’t send our children to War, as all the previous Presidents did, and that alone should earn him the respect to fight another day….

    This is but a small excerpt from the above article…hope that gives credit , where credit is due…

    “But the primary purpose of this piece is to send a warning message to all those who are aspiring to work for the Trump campaign or the Trump administration of 2025. They are telling these aspirants, “Don’t do it or you too will face hardships.”

    “This is another sign of the erosion of democracy within the US.

    The media and the Democrats attempt to stigmatize working for Trump to such an extent that Trump has limited choices and perhaps has to settle for swamp dwellers who will eventually work with nefarious external saboteurs to disrupt Trump’s agenda or place impediments before it.

    What blackens this darkness is the lack of outrage over this systemic discrimination.

    This is another way that D.C. Establishment ensure a permanent hold on power in D.C.

    The question is will order every be restored?“

      healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 8:00 pm

      Assuming it was 100% true, that means there’s even less chance of Trump succeeding even if he was electable.

        Between Valerie’s profound post, your response and Trump’s poor choices first time around, Trump would be even less effective second time around.

        Emerson: “When you strike at a king, you must kill him.” Trump did almost nothing about King Swamp and IMO he is “toast”. Any Republican WHO CAN WIN is better for the country than any Democrat.

        As to mail-in voting, my biggest disappointment in the past election is that Republicans have done ZERO comparable and have had two years to do it. That is gross incompetence … and I live in a key swing district and Republicans did nothing. If you do not play the election on the ground the way the game is played, but by yesterday’s rules, you deserve to lose.

          gonzotx in reply to jb4. | November 27, 2022 at 9:03 pm

          You didnt read the article, the dark swamp was in Full metal
          Jacket. They had traitors and spies at every freaking corner, every phone line, probably in his commode.
          He did more with less support than any other Republican President including Reagan

          Just imagine if he had real support and not the entire intelligence apparatus and Military war machine, RINOs and Knee benders (cough) against him

          gonzotx in reply to jb4. | November 27, 2022 at 9:10 pm

          Well the RNC was in charge of that and guess what, they did such a splendid job they are getting to do it again?
          That swamp won’t help
          Any Republican that isn’t part of the globalist/RINO agenda

          They abandoned Az, and mostly NV, at least 5 counties in Az, I believe, are refusing to
          Certify the vote, maybe there is a twinkle of hope there , but if your a registered Republican, your fooling yourself

          It’s a party that doesn’t want you and will actually fight against you, they gained up against MAGA candidates, knew there was Huge cheating going on and actually funded democrats against their own party members.

          Do you se them helping Kari or any other of the Republicans that had their votes stolen?

          Evil people, evil party..

        That’s only true if we all refuse to collectively stop the steal, these ridiculous voting machines, mail in votes and harvesting. Unfortunately we have to win state houses to do this and they stole a few of those too, evil never rests, never and WE the People are the only ones that can stop them. We have the power, but we have the will and courage?

        It will take massive massive protests like Venezuela and it will be bloody and ugly

        Otherwise we will lose the last threads of the Constitution

        And they will grind us into the insect meal they plan on force feeding the masses.

        I say, let’s roll…

          healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | November 27, 2022 at 11:43 pm

          You’re mixing up your replies. I was assuming that, like you said, he had no one he could trust.

          How do you expect someone to get anything done with no one to trust?

          Again, this was assuming he was electable…he’s not. That’s what your response seemed to be geared towards.

          This seems to be a rather common flaw in current Trump supporters’ logic: IF everything were completely different (different DOJ, different Republicans, different FBI/CIA, different swamp/deep state, different voting laws in almost every state, different support from all Republicans and most centrists/indies, different staff/advisors, different appointments, different. . . everything), Trump would not just be elected but would get things done.

          The problem, of course, is that everything is not completely different. Not even close, if anything all these factors are worse for Trump now than in 2016 or 2020.

        He’s the only one that can…

        He’s the only one they fear, because he can…

Desantis
Cruz
Trump
Pompeo
Rick Scott
Hawley
Cotton
Youngkin
Abbott
Noem

That’s my order of preference, based on policy and character, disregarding electability. I could support any of those.

The rest are worse than Democrats. Pence, especially. I would either stay home or actually vote D if Pence, Cheney, Hogan or Christie were the R nominee.

Fortunately, 0% chance of any of them getting the nomination.

Dream ticket? DeSantis / Kari Lake. And the first open SCOTUS seat goes to Ted Cruz.

    Aarradin in reply to Aarradin. | November 27, 2022 at 7:50 pm

    Nice, DEEP, bench we have.

    Very encouraging.

    The D’s are talking about Biden, Hillary and Kamala. Two walking dead and a non-citizen.

    gonzotx in reply to Aarradin. | November 27, 2022 at 7:51 pm

    Sighs….

    healthguyfsu in reply to Aarradin. | November 27, 2022 at 8:01 pm

    Can we do ranked voting so we can end up with Murkowski?

    Sultan in reply to Aarradin. | November 28, 2022 at 9:43 am

    You forgot Nikki. She is the most electable of the bunch. Note I said “Electable”.

      Aarradin in reply to Sultan. | November 29, 2022 at 12:05 am

      You’re right, I did forget Nikki. I could support her.

      Wouldn’t say she’s particularly “electable” though. She’s certainly alienated a substantial % of R’s.

      I think DeSantis would be the strongest candidate for us in the general election. Nice to see, finally for once in my life, my preferred candidate on policy also being the most electable.

      Still a huge fan of Ted Cruz, but I think he’d get trounced by most D’s in a national election.

Scoreboard check:

Over 1000 votes in from right-leaning, conservative voters that read this site.

2:1 for DeSantis over Trump

Are you cultists going to claim that was stolen/rigged/fraudulent, too?

We’ve already had someone try to baselessly blame China for the randomization of the poll software. Any other tin foil enthusiasts?

    How about a poll about Maricopa county for those of us wearing tin foil hats. Was the Maricopa county election in 2020 a fair election Yes or No? Second question. Did Maricopa county election cost Kari Lake the Governorship Yes or No?

      healthguyfsu in reply to r2468. | November 28, 2022 at 9:26 am

      It could have….but what does that have to do with the scoreboard in THIS reader poll?

        #1 I thought another poll would be interesting.
        #2 Plus you said “Are you cultists going to claim that was stolen/rigged/fraudulent too.” Are you saying the elections are fair and people that disagree wear tinfoil hats because that is how it reads?

          healthguyfsu in reply to r2468. | November 29, 2022 at 12:34 am

          #1….it wasn’t a poll, it was an election and it’s unrelated to the point being made about theses results on this site

          #2 see #1. I was referring to this poll. I didn’t mention any other elections, so why would that be how it reads?

    Oops I mean 2022.

    Heh … your comment reminds me of a clever Java script anim of a ballot – that offered the choice between Obama and McCain (?) – when you hovered your mouse pointer over McCain to vote, it switched to Obama – then back again as soon as you moved your pointer … the poll order above changes for me every time I refresh the page. ..

Great poll, and I particularly enjoyed scrolling through the reader comments. I hope you intend to run this poll on a regular periodic basis for the next number of months or years as the R nomination process takes shape. It will be particularly notable to watch how any of these initial poll results evolve over time with events—and even possibly additional potential R candidates.

I have a question. Why is Liz Cheney on the list? I almost fell off my chair laughing.

DeSantis would be my first choice, with Pence my second.

My main concern is whether any nominee will be:
1) Constitutionally-minded,
2) a fighter,
3) a salesman/evangelist for those Constitutional principles, and
4) not with such a big ego it will sabotage everything else,

We need someone who will not only fight but will (or will ally with others who can) explain and evangelize why the Constitution and its principles (including Common Law and the DoI) matter to us. Because only by “selling” those things can we gather the votes necessary to steamroll the margin of fraud, and to overturn all of those things that help enable the fraud.

Also, it would be a huge boon if said nominee was also invested in bringing up others behind him/her to be the next set of leaders. (See #4)

As I said above, my choice is Nikki Haley because she has appeal to many of the nation’s constituencies. She’s female, BIPOC, very experienced in all areas that matter, shows great judgment, is a fantastic speaker, has guts and won’t shy from a confrontation, and is genuinely successful on her own and a wonderful human being. But nobody’s perfect. Give her a running mate like Glenn Youngkin and the election is in the bag.

Veterans For America First (VFAF.org), aka Veterans for Trump, has issued an endorsement for Donald J Trump as 47th President of the United States.

Team Trump invited Admiral Charles Kubic VFAF national spokesman, Donna and Stan Fitzgerald VFAF chief political advisor, and Angie Wong VFAF national media rep from the organization to Mar-A-Lago on Nov. 16 for the presidential campaign announcement. The organization will be part of the Trump collation’s team for the campaign.

The Veterans group formed as Veterans For Trump during 2015, supporting Donald J. Trump, and is now the largest partisan vets and first responders group operating as VFAF, reaching millions on their combined social media.

https://insiderpaper.com/trump-endorsed-by-national-veterans-group-for-2024-presidential-run/

I may wait until the last moment to vote. I might be Influenced by one of the smarter comments.