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Seriously, Not Literally: About That Trump Statement That Republican Voters Will Stay Home In 2022/24

Seriously, Not Literally: About That Trump Statement That Republican Voters Will Stay Home In 2022/24

“If we don’t solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in ’22 or ’24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLOURV_HWeU

One of the more profound statements about President Trump was first published in the Atlantic by Salena Zito (archive link):  “the press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.”  Of course this was in September 2016, when no one in the press, but every last one of his supporters, believed he would win in November of that year.

Zito nailed it, though, and as we would find out in the ensuing months and years, the Democrat propagandist press began to take him literally and seriously, as did Democrats in Congress, the entrenched and un-elected executive branch bureaucracy, and every left-leaning to full-blown commie activist group in the nation.

As I noted in December, 2016, “The problem with taking Trump literally and seriously is the same as it is when you take anything figurative, illustrative, or hyperbolic seriously . . . you beclown yourself . . . .”

Meanwhile, Trump’s voters continued to “get” him, taking him seriously, but not literally.  This is why his “mean tweets” didn’t break through, why all the ‘he’s a RAAACIST/fascist/blah blah blah’ clothes-rending and countless fainting couch plunges failed, and why, ultimately, President Trump won (at least) seven million more actual votes in 2020 than any sitting president in history.

This disconnect between Dems/#NeverTrumpers  and Trump voters manifested again this week, much—I suspect—to Trump’s delight.

Oh noes! Screeched the headlines, that dastardly Democracy-subverting Trump is at it again!  He’s threatening to personally withhold his voters’ votes in 2022 and 2024 if his concerns about the 2020 election aren’t addressed by elected Republicans.

The Business Insider reports:

On Thursday, Trump published a statement to his political action committee website, Save America, conveying the threat.

“If we don’t solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in ’22 or ’24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do,” the statement said.

Personally, I wish that Trump would stop with the stolen 2020 election drill. However wrong and unfair (and I believe it was both), it’s over, it’s done. Republicans were out-played by “a cabal of powerful people” who secretly conspired to defeat Trump. You don’t learn how to combat that cabal by re-litigating a lost election that will never be over-turned; you combat it by understanding what happened and how so that you are better placed to stop the next onslaught. Picking scabs until your blood is gushing all over the place is not a good way to do that. In fact, it’s counter-productive.

There is absolutely nothing that will change the 2020 presidential election outcome now, though I do agree that if there were election result-changing shenanigans, they need to be brought into the light of day, not to unseat Biden (who, at this point in his already-failed presidency, might be relieved to be ousted) but to ensure that this uncertainty and distrust never happens again.

So what is Trump up to with his “voter suppression” threat about 2022 and 2024? Well, on a personal level, he is picking scabs. He’s upset that, as he and many tens of millions of Americans understand it, the presidency was stolen from him. It may well have been, but there is no remedy.

I believe Trump gets this on some level. I also believe that he understands his domination of the GOP means that he can’t be simultaneously endorsing Republican candidates and threatening to withhold his voters’ engagement in elections. But he’s doing just that, right?

This is where taking Trump seriously but not literally comes into play. Trump is sending one message to voters with his endorsements (he wants #NeverTrumper Liz ‘let’s find a country to bomb’ Cheney gone) and another to Republican leadership (do something about the injustice I suffered).

My guess is that leadership will ignore him and that he hopes his base will support the ousting of those who voted for his impeachment and for the reelection of those he’s endorsed. Clearly, Trump voters can’t do that if they don’t vote, and Trump knows that he loses political capital with every loss of his endorsed candidates.

No Trump voter, in other words, should be staying home in either 2022 or 2024. Trump voters should continue to take Trump seriously, not literally.

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Comments

He’s not wrong. I know several people who see no point in engaging in this corrupt system where the outcome is already determined.

    Olinser in reply to Ironclaw. | October 15, 2021 at 7:36 pm

    I’m one of them.

    I’ve said this for months, and more and more people are agreeing with me.

    I will not vote for any RINO that plans to put Bitch McConnell or McCarthy back in power.

    They have not only done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to secure the vote, they’ve actively fought any attempts to do it. They fought Trump harder than they’ve fought Biden or Obama. They did NOTHING to address the rampant FISA abuse. They couldn’t bring themselves to even consider removing trash like Cheney from her LEADERSHIP position until people started calling for ALL of them to get tossed. And McCarthy still hasn’t made good on his pathetic weak threat to remove her and Kizinger from committees for supporting Piglosi’s ridiculous witch hunt.

    We WILL NOT WIN with those RINO losers in charge continuing to put other RINO trash like Grassley, Grahamnesty, and their ilk as committee chairmen.

    There are plenty of different actual conservatives that would do a much better job. Cruz, Cotton, plenty of others worth giving a shot (and if they screw it up, REPLACE THEM TOO). But either of those McJackasses as ‘leaders’ is a complete non-starter.

      Danny in reply to Olinser. | October 15, 2021 at 9:40 pm

      The Democrats appreciate your backing them for the 2022 and 2024 election cycle.

        Olinser in reply to Danny. | October 15, 2021 at 10:19 pm

        The Democrats appreciate your constant moronic shilling for idiot RINOs that are hideously unpopular with actual conservative voters. A glance at the relative ratio of your latest posts should be a big clue to you that we’re sick of this ‘MUST VOTE RINOS BECAUSE NOT DEMOCRATS’ crap.

        You want to win an election cycle? Junk the McJackass losers and present an actual plan for the next few years.

        But you won’t do that. Because you know goddamn well that Bitch McConnell doesn’t HAVE a plan to present, because he doesn’t WANT to accomplish anything conservative. Not on big tech blatant censorship, not on vote security, not on the border, not on the $1.5 trillion boondoggle that he already voted for personally.

        Literally the only thing you pathetic RINO shills have is ‘BUT NOT DEMOCRATSSSSSS, YOU MUST VOTE THEM OR DEMOCRATS WIIIIIIIIIIIN’.

        Voting Bitch McConnell back as ‘leader’ is simply making the Democrats win slower, but they still win.

          Sorry, but if not voting for Trump in 2016 was the same as voting for Hillary, staying home in 2022 is the same as endorsing what Biden, Pelosi and the rest have been doing.

          Them’s the rules now.

      This is a prime example of the thinking (?) that kneecaps any chance of holding the line against the commie onslaught.

      The 2020 election was, to my mind, totally stolen. But the steal took place in Democrat strongholds in key states. The right’s reaction to this reality is “all elections are fixed, rigged,” and we are hapless victims.

      That’s a dumb reaction, it’s embracing victimhood and playing right into the commie left’s hands. I don’t get why this simple fact is so hard. Democrats WANT you to stay home. Why do Democrats’ bidding? That helps who how? Oh, right the commie Democrats. Sigh.

    Idonttweet in reply to Ironclaw. | October 15, 2021 at 10:53 pm

    I took the statement to mean that the party couldn’t count on lockstep voting if they don’t vigorously address the rampant flaws in the election systems across the country being uncovered by audits and investigations. Republican voters might not back party candidates, but might instead support independent or third-party candidates if they were considered more conservative and reliable than candidates just because they’re backed by the party. I won’t vote for a Democrat but that doesn’t mean I’ll necessarily vote for a Never-Trump RINO, either.

      I think you got it.

      The GOP may be able to win in 2022 playing the same old “We’re not Democrats” game — assuming the Dems cannot steal/rig enough state level elections. But if they do not deliver that will be the end of the GOP.

      Trump is explaining the reality of the situation to the GOPe.

      I have little hope the GOPe will do anything other than ignore it. They cannot defeat an enemy they do not understand who is using weapons they refuse to recognize exist.

      And the dirty little not-so-secret secret is maybe they don’t really want to stop the Dems. Spouting phony opposition rhetoric and getting a thin majority every few election cycles keeps the cash rolling in for them, their family, and their friends. And maybe that’s all they really care about.

        Idonttweet in reply to JHogan. | October 16, 2021 at 12:33 pm

        I think it goes without saying that Republicans are going to have to be extra vigilant to detect and combat fraud going forward. They also need to do their best to attract legitimate votes in excess of the margin of fraud the Democrats for going to bring.

      Dr.Dave in reply to Idonttweet. | October 16, 2021 at 12:47 pm

      Your are correct so I will still vote, but I know lots of conservatives that if nothing significant is done about election fraud they have decided not to vote and let what ever happen.

    wendybar in reply to Ironclaw. | October 16, 2021 at 8:06 am

    I am one of them I live in New Jersey, and my “mail in” vote did not count. I brought it to a drop box myself. Now New Jersey wants to continue voting this way. I refuse. I won’t waste my time, when Progressives cheat…and don’t count our votes. I was NOT the only one this happened to.

    Ohio Historian in reply to Ironclaw. | October 16, 2021 at 9:14 pm

    He’s absolutely wrong. Unless you happen to like the current Federal government. Do YOU have a way to fix the problem by not voting? Please get together with Trump and tell the rest of us all about your fixing the system by not having an election. We are all waiting…

    And if your approach is some sort of civil unrest or other, please tell us how you expect to accomplish replacing a corrupt government with the non-corrupt one, and please be specific.

    I think the author here is totally correct that we need to quit picking scabs and proceed with the audits and the fixes. Keeping the corrupt “For the Democrats Act” (HR1) and “John R Lewis Voting Leftist Act” (HR4) from being enacted are ABSOLUTE priorities. Keeping the states in power and getting non-corrupt votes in states is essential.

      Good post. It’s also worth pointing out that it is Democrats who are standing in the way of Bernie’s Soviet socialist dream. Not one Republican has signed on.

      There is a huge opportunity here, an historic chance to save America and make her Great Again, but that happens only with a forward-looking leader, one who proves he is ready to go on Day One. Not one who is nursing personal grudges and who’s butt-hurt trumps America First.

We’re not going to fix what is wrong with this country by voting. We still have to vote, but be prepared for “other” as well.

“it’s over, it’s done”

Until the next time. You are MUCH too complacent.

    Absolutely not. Do you think this is the first election that was ever stolen? See JFK, Nixon, Obama’s second “win,” and the list goes on. Even the Bush win was “deemed” as stolen, just as we deem the 2020 election as stolen.

    There is a reason that Gore and Romney conceded, even though they probably won. And it’s bigger than some guy’s ego.

    Ohio Historian in reply to irv. | October 16, 2021 at 9:15 pm

    I read him to say “fix it”. Did you miss that part of the writing?

An election was stolen and there is no remedy? Well, then we are already under full authoritarian rule. If an election can be stolen with no remedy, then the only choice is violent revolution or serfdom.

    gonzotx in reply to Dathurtz. | October 15, 2021 at 9:30 pm

    1000^, appallingly to say just move on
    Appalling

      Okay, show me the realistic way that Trump suddenly becomes president during Biden’s term. I’m serious, I would love that but . . . how do you imagine that happens? Ever?

      And because it cannot and will not happen, what is wrong with moving on? What is wrong with focusing on what can be done vs. what is a crazy pipe dream. Trump will not be restored to office, you get that, right? There is no way that happens. None. The only way Trump regains the presidency is if he WINS it again in 2024. And he has my vote.

    Dr.Dave in reply to Dathurtz. | October 16, 2021 at 12:56 pm

    Unfortunately, with enough time, only violence may be the remedy. That’s why we need to do every and anything possible now. I really do not want my grand children in a bloody and brutal civil war.

JUST REVEALED

Marc Zuckerberg put over $400 million into tipping the election to Biden.
+ Media bias for Biden / against Trump
+ Media censorship of Hunter
—–
= Election interference

No need to even argue about “voting machines”. There is enough PROVABLE election interference with considering voting machines.

There were 4 key states that were each decided by less than 25,000 votes – less than 0.7% of the votes in those states made the difference.

Given all the media interference and Zuckerberg funding – it’s actually surprising the election was this close. Yes, it was rigged. Anyone who looks at 2020 objectively knows it was not a straight-up election.

    Danny in reply to Ben Kent. | October 15, 2021 at 9:39 pm

    I agree

    There wasn’t any fraud, voter machines did not flip anything (Gritey Powell has a lot to answer for on that front) but the election wasn’t fair.

    The way to deal with it is instead of pretending fraud talk about the ways it wasn’t fair. Talk about the way billionaires tipped the scale, talk about big tech censorship and media bias. The truth has a power of its own it doesn’t need to be garnished with lies.

      Barry in reply to Danny. | October 15, 2021 at 11:02 pm

      “There wasn’t any fraud…”

      No, of course not. No one would ever cheat,

      And Danny always tells the truth.

      Dr.Dave in reply to Danny. | October 16, 2021 at 12:57 pm

      What about harvested ballots?

        Milhouse in reply to Dr.Dave. | October 16, 2021 at 11:42 pm

        What about them? There’s nothing dishonest or fraudulent about ballot harvesting, in those states where it is legal. The problem with them is that they make fraud easier to commit and harder to catch, so it’s likely that some harvested ballots were fraudulent. There’s no actual evidence of this, and there’s never likely to be, because the Dems made sure there wouldn’t be.

      Milhouse in reply to Danny. | October 16, 2021 at 11:53 pm

      Danny, there definitely was fraud. It’s just not reasonable to claim that there wasn’t any, or that it wasn’t significant. It makes no sense for the Dems to have put so much effort into making fraud easy to commit and hard to detect, if they didn’t believe there were a whole lot of people out there who would take advantage of it. It doesn’t even make sense to suppose that they went to all that effort without taking any advantage of it themselves. So there must have been massive fraud, possibly enough to swing the result all on its own, but we will never know that.

      Now this is in addition to all the non-fraudulent ways in which the Dems “stole” the election, such as the Zuckerberg operation that’s just come to light. There was nothing illegal or fraudulent about it, but it was clearly significant, and may very well have tipped the result all on its own.

      Then there was the news industry’s conspiracy against Trump, which all by itself must have been worth at least 15-20 points for Biden. Just the coverup of the Hunter scandal must have been worth at least 5 points.

      The point is that all these together pushed Biden over the top, and you can’t rule out the role fraud played in that outcome. We will never know whether it made the difference, but we can’t definitely say it didn’t.

      The one thing you’re right about is that there is no evidence at all of machines being rigged, and Trump being misled into thinking there was such evidence fatally wounded him in the post-election mess. Had he had proper advice he would not have behaved the way he did, and we would probably not have lost those two senate seats in Georgia, which has had such a devastating impact.

        So let’s ask the real question: why didn’t Trump get proper advice? Why did he reject proper advice and go with crazy Kraken nutso crap? This is a real problem with Trump and his ability to make key personnel decisions. He kind of sucks at it.

        The 2020 election was totally stolen in my opinion. It wasn’t the first presidential election stolen, and it (sadly) won’t be the last. But it is crazy and self-defeating to pretend Trump will be reinstated as president during Biden’s term. I mean seriously crazy. It. Will. Not. Happen.

        Period. Yes, get over it. Move on, ensure it never happens again. But spending your time on crazy pipe-dreams is nonsensical and useless. Trump may become our president again, but it will ONLY happen if he wins in 2024.

    JHogan in reply to Ben Kent. | October 15, 2021 at 11:31 pm

    So, either …

    A) Zucker is so smart he knew he all needed to do was spend $400 million in a handful of counties to ‘get out the vote’ and barely eke out a legitimate victory by a total of less than 50,000 votes.

    Or…

    B) Zucker knew he bought a guaranteed victory, by whatever means necessary. when he gave the ‘right people’ $400 million.

    I’ll go with B. Who spends $400 million of their own money without a guarantee? The DNC knew how much a guaranteed victory would cost. They knew how to do it. They have many, many decades of experience fixing elections in Dem run cities across the country. But they knew their fingerprints couldn’t be on the money.

    It amazes me that people who will accept decades of vote fraud in Chicago as a fact will refuse to accept the possibility the same thing could be coordinated in a handful of key counties in the US to produce a ‘victory’ in a national election. Dems fix elections and they have been doing it for a very, very long time.

    There is no way Biden received 81 million legitimate votes. No F’n way. Historical statistics alone reveal that. And if was all legitimate why the opposition to and panic at the prospect of auditing the votes? Etc.

    If the GOP refuses to recognize this and instead accepts Biden as legitimate there’s no point in voting GOP. No reason to take the GOP seriously. Ultimately it will only result in another election cycle or two delay in the Dem’s long march to turn the country in to a Marxist fascist socialist nightmare. More of the same thing we’ve been seeing since 1988.

    If it’s inevitable because the GOP refuses to even recognize, much less understand, how the enemy operates, then the sooner it is allowed to happen the sooner everyone can get on with doing what will be necessary to take back the Republic, our freedom, and our liberty. With or without the GOP.

      Milhouse in reply to JHogan. | October 17, 2021 at 12:00 am

      It’s indeed likely that some of what that money paid for was getting out fraudulent votes rather than legitimate ones, but it’s impossible to prove that.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to Ben Kent. | October 16, 2021 at 10:49 am

    Which brings up Citizens United, which in hindsight has been disastrous.

      It’s the ****ing constitution, which is the entire ****ing point of having Republican politics in the first place. If the only way we can win is by trashing people’s fundamental inalienable rights then what’s the point of winning?

Also, Trump didn’t threaten anything. He mentioned a likely outcome of events. That’s not a threat!

The people who call it a threat are the ones being “hyperbolic.”

TDS lives.

How many just-smart-enough conservatives are needed to understand the nuances in Trump’s stupid remarks? Has Trump then joined the dour cabal that complains that we can never win, so let’s give up? I had thought that Trump was about winning.

Of course the voting in California is hopelessly corrupt. New York and Illinois also. But we can win a majority of the conservative states where voting integrity is taken seriously. We probably would have won the Georgia senate races too, if only Trump knew when to shutter his pie-hole.

There are other conservative Republicans who have Trump’s courage and his persistence, but who lack his shambolic need to make it all about Trump. All of them are also more articulate and intelligent. Also he is too old to be president again.

Let’s move on.

    henrybowman in reply to [email protected]. | October 16, 2021 at 5:55 am

    I understood his remarks perfectly. You have to understand who he was talking TO, as well as what he was talking ABOUT.

    Trump was delivering a message to the RINOs in Congress: if you don’t get off your asses and do something about election integrity, Republican voters are just going to stop showing up, and that means YOUR seats are toast. Don’t expect your gravy train just to go on running forever, the bridge out ahead is now visible.

    Did Trump miscalculate how his words would resound with voters, who were not the people he was addressing? Sure… just as he miscalculated (or just didn’t care) how his “mean tweets” would appear to people outside the US. But that’s Trump being Trump.

    As is his prediction (not his threat) that conservatives would stay home. The rest of the chattering classes considered that a veiled threat, because that’s the way they themselves would have delivered it. But they just never learned that nothing Trump does is “veiled.” If Trump intends to shoot you, he’ll freely tell you beforehand how many holes and what caliber.

Lucifer Morningstar | October 15, 2021 at 7:32 pm

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. . . un-elected executive branch bureaucracy . . .

We call them the “Administrative Branch” and call them the Fourth Branch of government. Of course, they’re neither legal or constitutional but there you go and here we are.

    They are both legal and constitutional (which are the same thing). But yes, they have undermined our whole system of government from within, and the next Republican administration should finally do something about them. Taking them down completely will require legislation and therefore a compliant congress, but even without that there was much the Trump administration could have done if it had come in knowing what it was up against. The next one will have no such excuse.

To all Republicans, Libertarians, conservatives, and anti-Socialists:

Don’t let anyone tell you not to vote!!

That’s the worst thing you can possibly do. Then the other side can say they won by a landslide and have a “mandate” to enact anything they want. Forfeiting the election is a horrible thing to do.

Whenever an election comes up, VOTE!! And if you’re in California, or any state that allows vote harvesting, go harvest votes at every old folks home and apartment house that’s within driving distance.

I remember a southern politician whose motto was “Vote early and often!” That’s common in any state that doesn’t require voter ID, and they often depend on the “dead vote” to win elections. My mother voted in FL after she was dead, but they won’t tell me who she voted for, which would show whether it was the Reps or the Dems harvesting votes.

    Dathurtz in reply to OldProf2. | October 15, 2021 at 8:09 pm

    I plan to vote every chance I get. I just don’t think it will make a difference.

      Danny in reply to Dathurtz. | October 15, 2021 at 9:35 pm

      Perhaps you should stop telling other people not to vote (there is no other way to say the 2020 election was stolen by voter fraud).

        Dathurtz in reply to Danny. | October 15, 2021 at 10:24 pm

        Quiet down, Liz. Nobody with their eyes open had anything but pity for you.

        Milhouse in reply to Danny. | October 17, 2021 at 12:05 am

        Perhaps you should stop telling other people not to vote (there is no other way to say the 2020 election was stolen by voter fraud).

        Sure there is. The 2020 election quite possibly was stolen by voter fraud. I don’t know that it wasn’t, and neither do you. That is not a reason to stop voting.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to OldProf2. | October 16, 2021 at 11:23 am

    “they won by a landslide and have a “mandate” to enact anything they want”

    They committed fraud to win by a narrow margin, and then made the same claim and have pretty much enacted what they want.

    We still need to vote, while giving them a very strong dose of their own+ underhanded tactics.

    AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to OldProf2. | October 17, 2021 at 11:35 pm

    Oh, I plan to vote. Against all Democrats and against all Republicans who fail to support the voter.

    So, I will vote in November. But it will not be for the incumbent Republican for representative, or the Republican Senate candidate.

    Neither have done anything that warrants my vote. So, either the libertarian candidate, Green Party candidate or Mr “Nonuv Theabove” will get my vote.

IDK, if not now, when? What does moving on get any of us, especially Trump? I’m fine with him mimicking Hillary. I want 2 full years of fury and outbursts. Make life in DC unlivable for the spinless that stabbed Trump voters in the back and decided to just move on and let the establishment cement their steal. nah.. ramp it up. Make them uncomfortable and send the message, there is no getting back to pre-Trump/ pre 2015 GOP BS. Nope. It’s over.

    Danny in reply to RobM. | October 15, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    For her election lies Hillary had

    1. Mainstream media

    2. Academia

    3. The Deep State

    4. Big Tech backing

    5. The entertainment industry

    Which of those is pushing the Trump election lies?

    Furthermore did pretending voter fraud stole the election empower us or the Democrats?

If only Trump knew how to get everybody thinking and talking about election integrity.

    Danny in reply to gibbie. | October 15, 2021 at 9:33 pm

    Yes make people talk about something that isn’t a problem instead of something like CRT, or Big Tech censorship, or the destruction of the American Heartland, or the Opioid Epidemic, or Chinese economic domination of planet Earth lets all go into delusions that are sure to reduce Republican turnout (as happened Jan 5th).

      AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to Danny. | October 16, 2021 at 5:59 am

      Sure Danny. Let’s just “talk about” something like CRT, or Big Tech censorship, or the destruction of the American Heartland, or the Opioid Epidemic, or Chinese economic domination.

      But let’s NOT talk about suspicious election activities in Arizona, where it’s been proven that ballots were reproduced or counterfeit.

      But let’s NOT talk about vote counting behind closed doors, where cardboard was placed over windows, and poll watchers and legally authorized poll observers were not permitted in the rooms – but Democrat operatives were.

      But let’s NOT talk about suitcases of ballots being pulled from under a covered table when only Democratic Party shills were left in the room in Georgia. Those ballots were run through the voting machines multiple times.

      But let’s NOT talk about every attempt to investigate 19 people who dumped hundreds of ballots into insecure voting boxes throughout town being suppressed.

      But let’s NOT talk about every law suit for state’s violations of the Constitution being ignored due to “standing.”

      If there’s smoke, there’s fire. But you don’t want to talk about the rampant illegalities. The very same illegalities that led to a usurper president being installed.

      We are not looking for the election to be overturned. We merely demand that the Republicans, for once, just simply support their voters and make sure the next election isn’t rife with criminal activities.

      But we can’t TALK about THAT can we?

      The US got raped in the last election, and as long as the dîck wasn’t shoved into you, you are A OK with that.

      What a complete shill you are.

      I would rather sit this election out, and hope the Democrats win BIG so they can continue to destroy the economy, have millions of illegal aliens invade our country, create Venezuelan level inflation, poverty, rampant violence in the streets, and all of the other destruction that this puppet in the White House has created in such a short time.

      Let it all fall apart for all I care.

      But I refuse to vote for a party that held me down while I was being raped , and then demand I vote for them because “Well, it wasn’t my dïck that got shoved into you when you were raped!”

        1. Ok lets talk lets talk about how in Europe after the election results are in that is it there is no transition period the new Prime Minister or President is sworn in.

        2. Lets talk about how Oceania and Asian Democracies like Japan and South Korea also have 0 days for transition the new president/pm is sworn in after the election

        3, Lets move on to talk about how our multi-month transition period literally gives the losing side an ample opportunity to take whatever concerns they have INTO COURT

        4. Lets discuss how Donald Trump never took voter fraud claims INTO COURT

        5. Lets talk about how every single one of Trump’s lawsuits was the definition of frivolous

        6. Lets talk about how Clarence Thomas noted that no proof of voter fraud has ever been brought to light

        7. Lets talk about the many LIES Trump has been peddling. Lets talk about how Trump and “Giuliani” (in quotes because like many lawyers he was very clearly just saying what the client told him to say) OUTSIDE of court lied to claim more ballots were received then sent out by comparing the number of ballots sent out for the primary to number received back for general election instead of number of ballots sent out for general election to number received back during general election.

        8. Lets talk about how most of your claims have already been answered

        9. I am fine strengthening ballot integrity, better safe than sorry I am not ok with people like you lying our way into losing elections that we need to win to win on serious issues like CRT

        10. If you want to obsess over PA doing vote by mail blame the man who signed it into law that all 50 states will vote by mail in 2020 and that man was Donald J Trump, and it happened way over the heads of any PA state official or house member. What was PA supposed to do arrest Trump for signing the covid relief bill? Be the only state to not receive any federal dollars?

        11. Finally lets talk about how in a court of law (perjury penalty) Giuliani conceded there wasn’t any fraud.

        12. Be honest for once. You don’t give a damn about any issue.

        13. Lets also talk about how Trump lawsuits conceded that the person in the swing states he tried to disqualified won a majority of legitimate votes. Once you concede that the election is over by definition. You need fraud to overturn an election and that wasn’t even alleged by Trump in court.

        I give more credence to what a man tells a federal judge than what he tells me because I can’t throw him in jail for lying to me.

          Milhouse in reply to Danny. | October 17, 2021 at 12:28 am

          3, Lets move on to talk about how our multi-month transition period literally gives the losing side an ample opportunity to take whatever concerns they have INTO COURT

          What we just saw is that no, it doesn’t. Identifying fraud with sufficient specificity to take to court takes months, and there aren’t months before the lists of electors have to be in.

          Incidentally I don’t think it’s common for a country to have no transition period. Orderly transitions take time, and as far as I know in most if not all countries that time is allowed. In the 1972 election in Australia the incoming prime minister flew to Canberra the day after the election and had himself and his deputy sworn in as a two-man government, and that was generally seen as unbecoming and inappropriate. Usually Australian transitions take about a week.

          Also, I don’t believe Trump’s lawyers ever conceded in court that there was no fraud. I think that’s a Democrat distortion of what they said, which was that they didn’t have the sort of evidence necessary to prove the fraud there and then to a court’s standards.

        By the way lets discuss how you don’t give a damn that Hawaii did exactly the same thing PA did because you can’t pretend we won Hawaii.

“No Trump voter, in other words, should be staying home in either 2022 or 2024. Trump voters should continue to take Trump seriously, not literally.”

Problem is if you believe the narrative that elections are rigged by voter fraud (they very clearly aren’t) you shouldn’t vote. Venezuelan opposition recommends boycotting elections.

There are a lot of ways the election was rigged and was unfair but none of those include voter fraud which I just don’t think happened.

If you believe that we are living in an election system as corrupt as Venezuela the natural impulse is to not vote (which is how we lost the senate to the Democrats).

At this point pushing Republicans towards regulating big tech would be helpful to helping ensure a fairer future election.

The narrative that the 2020 election was stolen isn’t going to work. The Democrats had backing of every powerful institution for their 2016 election lies, we have none of the above for institutions pushing Biden stole the elections.

    I agree. Focusing on 2020 as campaign fodder is a loser for Republicans. Period. Trump needs to drop the butt-hurt and focus on Making America Great Again. People want positive messaging, not some whiny crap about stolen elections. It’s a huge turn off. Huge.

      AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | October 17, 2021 at 4:55 pm

      I generally agree with your take on many topics. But not this time.

      There were too many late night shenanigans that were ignored.

      To me this wasn’t about Trump. It was about 5 or so states that had suspicious activities that have been completely ignored.

      I will not vote for any party or person who allows that level of questionable activity go unchallenged.

      Yet, Republicans were happy to let Trump go away.

      I am not like Democrat voters who vote lock step with Party, all day every day.

      I am not a political party whore where Republicans can expect and demand my vote, “because, after all, we aren’t Democrats.”

      I expect that voters will make their own choices in their own local elections.

      As I will. None of my Republican elected representatives and Senators made any attempt at questioning what went on.

      Therefore, they don’t get my vote. I don’t buy into the nonsense that if I don’t vote Republican, I am allowing a Democrat to win. I will simply vote for another candidate. Not Democrat. Not Republican.

        I have repeatedly stated that I believe the 2020 election was sketchy, that I don’t for one minute believe Biden won more votes than Obama (let alone Trump). There is just no way. None. No one is a Biden fan; he has no base. Never has, never will.

        But here’s the reality: there is zero recourse now. Once states certify results and those results are accepted, it’s over. Trump needs to let this go. Hammering it just makes him look petty and selfish and crazy. It’s a huge turn-off to a lot of people (including, obviously, me).

      Thank you

Subotai Bahadur | October 15, 2021 at 10:05 pm

1) Was the 2020 election stolen by concerted fraud between the Democrats and the GOPe? Absolutely, yes.
2) Is there any serious effort, especially by the Republicans, to remedy the fraud and return integrity to the elections? Absolutely, no.
3) Do a lot of people have what I call the “end of dynasty” feel, as it seems that the Constitution and all it stands for has been rendered moot? Absolutely, yes.
4) Is there any political way remaining under the Social Contract and the Constitution to return to keeping the Social Contract? Broadly, there is one, but it is Clausewitzian. [ Der Krieg ist eine bloße Fortsetzung der Politik mit anderen Mitteln.] And most untidy.

There is a saying attributed to James Otis Jr [look him up] that describes Americans well and truly: “We give all we have, lives, property, safety, skill…we fight, we die, for a simple thing. Only that a man can stand up.”

Now, returning to the matter of voting in 2022 and 2024. I have grave doubts about there being something that will be recognizable as semi-legitimate elections then. For if there are, a lot of our Nomenklatura of both theoretical parties will be in terminally deep kimchee. That said, if there are what could be a legitimate election in 2022, I will vote. Because that way later I will be able to say that I tried.

Subotai Bahadur

Don’t be so sure. His supporters might take him seriously. Trump managed to blow the two Senate seats in Georgia when the GOP needed to win just one in order to keep a majority in the Senate. He put himself above party and country–both would have been better off with keeping the Senate majority–and could do it again.

    Barry in reply to nisquire. | October 15, 2021 at 11:05 pm

    A whole lot of lyin in this thread.

    Olinser in reply to nisquire. | October 15, 2021 at 11:55 pm

    Bitch McConnell blew 2 Senate seats in Georgia when he

    A) refused to even consider any investigation into the blatant Atlanta fraud, and then they did EXACTLY THE SAME THING to steal both seats (stopping counting for hours late, waiting for the conservative precincts to finish, then dumping a huge vote total that put the Democrats over the top for good when they knew how many votes they needed)

    and

    B) Refused to increase the $600 stimulus before the election AND THEN VOTED TO INCREASE IT LATER AFTER THEY LOST, just because he didn’t want to admit Trump was right

      Danny in reply to Olinser. | October 16, 2021 at 12:49 pm

      Liar Olinser is trying to cover for his idol because he knows his idol empowered the Democrats.

      He was also working to pre-empt Herschel Walker’s candidacy for Georgia Senator earlier. Now that Herschel has declared, he looks like a sure win. You can bet that the Cocaine Turtle is doing everything he can to block Trump but all he can offer is dirty money. Trump defeats that by merely endorsing his choice of candidate.

    The last group of Trump supporters who made the mistake of taking him literally are being detained, beaten, and disfigured by prison guards. Everyone else should take note.

    Trump’s conflicting messages are causing a whole lot of crazy (don’t vote because elections are rigged and we need to teach the establishment a lesson AND do vote AGAINST people who pissed me off). Dude. At some point, you have to look at this and make decisions as an American, not a Trump acolyte. After all, if you listen to Trump, you need to both vote AND not vote. You need to give Dems the majority to defend his honor AND vote for his candidates to defend his honor. Yikes. No wonder his supporters are confused and lashing out at his other supporters.

    The only way to clean this up is to stop the butt hurt over 2020, stop picking the scab, stop the bleeding. As long as he refuses to do that, he is losing support. Not because he was a bad president (he was an awesome president) but because he seems to be putting Trump, instead of America, first. And that is a huge turnoff to all but the most devout Trump supporters.

    Let me repeat, there is NO REMEDY for the 2020 election steal. Period. Even if there were evidence of sufficient fraud, the most that would happen is that the Brandon and Brandonette would be removed, making Pelosi president. Trump will never be reinstalled as president, period. And he is hurting this country by demanding the impossible and thus riling up his supporters to believe otherwise. Make no mistake, Trump himself KNOWS he won’t be reinstated, he knows this because it’s not freaking possible. Don’t be played.

    /just my two cents

      Even if there were evidence of sufficient fraud, the most that would happen is that the Brandon and Brandonette would be removed, making Pelosi president.

      Not even that. The key point is that the presidential election didn’t happen on November 3rd last year. It happened on December 14th, and there was no fraud there. Once that happened, the Nov 3 election, to choose the electors for Dec 14, was no longer relevant. Proving fraud in it won’t change anything.

    This is correct. Trump supporters know that he puts Trump first, so it’s not a surprise that his butt-hurt over losing 2020 resulted in the split Senate. At some point people are going to wonder how Trump’s personal grudges actually help Make America Great Again. I’m pretty sure a Dem. senate majority is the opposite of what we need to accomplish a Make America Great Again agenda. But oooh, the power of the Trump! Sorry, but he does put himself above country far too often. And this was a prime example.

“…it’s over, it’s done.”

Said the rapist. Move on.

Another win for the marxists. Just.Move.On

I’ll vote as I have for 30 years, if it’s not fixed from 2020 it won’t count or at least not matter if universalmail voting and possibly vote count tampering.

The vote is fixed in places and the Democrats are cheaters. But I’ll keep voting and they will keep cheating. As for GOPe I’ll skip a candidate if I want to because it’s my vote to give. I apply term limits to my Congressman. It doesn’t matter. he wins easily but I do it anyway.

The Laird of Hilltucky | October 16, 2021 at 8:09 am

It is statistically impossible for Biden to have won the election. He won neither Florida nor Ohio. He won only one of 19 bellwether counties.

Those who say don’t vote are stupid!! The decisions are to be made in the primaries. But, in the primaries, we should be mindful of who can actually win. Always vote and vote Republican in the general! Any Republican is better than any Democrat! Don’t let the perfect become the enemy of the good. We need for Republicans to control both House and Senate!

If a Republican that you don’t like gets elected, then we’ll try to do better next time! Like I said: Any Republican is better than any Democrat!

Our republic is at stake! Ben Franklin told us to try to keep it!

    “Any Republican is better than any Democrat!”
    Oh, I dunno. I’m rather enjoying Joe. He’s the right guy at the right time.
    LBJ was heard to say, as he signed the “Great Society” legislation, that it would keep the n***s voting Democrat for the next 200 years.
    I watch the dog’s bed that Joe Biden has made out of American in the space of just nine months, and I suspect he’s on track to ensure that the bulk of Americans refuse to vote for anybody with a D after their name for the next 10 elections.

    How many times does the side that fails to win a majority of votes win the white house?

    Rarely yes?

    Ohio and Florida are not bellweathers by the way. Ohio is a red state and Florida is a swing state that is trending red.

    It is statistically impossible for Biden to have won the election. He won neither Florida nor Ohio. He won only one of 19 bellwether counties.

    That’s nonsense. There is no “statistical law” that says the last election’s bellwethers will be so this election too. As they say in the investment ads, past performance is not an indicator of future results.

Bottom line — I will not vote for a GOP candidate who believes the current occupant of the WH was legitimately elected. I will not contribute money to a GOP candidate who believes the current occupant of the WH was elected ‘fair and square’. Also, I will not give the GOP a dime until it, as a party, acknowledges and addresses fraud in the 2020 election.

And that’s what Trump is trying to tell the spineless surrender monkey GOP ‘leadership’, such as it is.

How about instead of arguing on the r side among ourselves we agree to;

1. Register and vote
2. Volunteer and train as poll watchers
3. Focus efforts at local and State offices like Sheriff, County Clerk, County Commission, School BD
4. Push State Legislature to adopt and enforce ballot security and election integrity safeguards
5. Make informed votes for Gov and other Statewide offices, like Sec of State, which have power or influence over elections
6. Vote for the most MAGA candidate in the primary who actually has a legitimate chance of winning in the general
7. Vote for the winner of the primary, even if your favored candidate isn’t on the general election ballot
8. Volunteer time and if possible $ to help MAGA candidates in other States during primary and general elections

Casting a ballot isn’t enough. Withholding your vote isn’t a recipe for success. If you don’t like the slate running in the primary then recruit a challenger and work to elect them. Hell, you could run yourself. That’s hard work though. Much harder than spouting off on line and staying home on election day because you don’t like the choices but are unwilling to do the heavy lifting to provide an alternative.

    AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to CommoChief. | October 17, 2021 at 11:42 pm

    Chief. My vote this year will not be for the Republican incumbent in my district, not the Republican Senator candidate. Neither have earned my vote.

    I will vote. But it won’t be a “D” or and “R.”

    We’ll see if a Republican earns my vote in 2024. Especially for President. DeSantis is an odds on favorite for my support. But only if he stands up for the voters.

    He’s got 2 years not to fück things up.

    Otherwise, Mr “Nunov Theabove” gets my vote.

I think a lot of people are completely missing the plain text reading of what Trump said.

1. Election fraud tipped the 2020 election to the Democrats (Stolen election)
2. We must have integrity in elections
3. If we don’t have integrity in our elections REPUBLICAN votes will be eliminated.

So a plain reading would be:

If we continue to ignore that the 2020 election was stolen the democrats will continue to fix elections and no matter how many republicans vote, their vote will not count.

    Yeah, no. We know exactly what happened in 2020, and the only remedy is to fix it. Fixed elections in Democrats’ favor can’t be “fixed” if we don’t let them. The Trump team failed to address the leftist infiltration of elections due to WuFlu. He let and his DOJ never challenged states, including red states, that illegally changed voting rules under the aegis of Covid.

    Trump was and is not a politician, and he got played. Hard. Out of the presidency he almost certainly won. But a competent WH would have stopped it, and that’s just fact. An “outsider” is great, but Trump made a LOT mistakes in choosing his team, in monitoring elections, and ultimately, in not understanding the true, deep, and evil intent of the “resistance.” It was spelled out in Time, and even after that, Trump keeps hammering the 2020 election. It makes no sense to me.

      AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | October 17, 2021 at 11:45 pm

      Wrong. My Republican Senator and Representative failed to hold my state accountable for the failure to follow election laws.

      This should never have gone to court. It should never have been Trump’s effort to fix this. It should have been handled by my star legislature and my Representatives.

amatuerwrangler | October 16, 2021 at 1:55 pm

Here’s your shot from left field:

I don’t think Trump said “don’t vote”. He said vote, but said it in his patented clumsy way. If I were called upon to proofread that prepublication, I would have recommended that the final “it” (a pronoun) be replaced by the noun it subbed for: “voting”…. Using the pronoun left the sentence ambiguous and open to misinterpretation.

It should have read: “Voting is the most important thing for Republicans to do”

I cannot see him recommend not voting, as there is no other way to flip either the House or the Senate without R votes. Not flipping at least one means an open field for the Dems to destroy our way of life.

    And you put your finger on the problem with taking Trump literally instead of seriously. As we are seeing in comments, there are plenty of Trump supporters who think not voting does . . . um, something. (?)

      AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | October 17, 2021 at 11:47 pm

      Correct. It does something. It tells my elected officials that they cannot expect to get my vote for turning a blind eye to election malfeasance.

      I don’t vote for flaccid officials.

Thank you Fuzzy! It helps to see that someone’s political election narrative includes “The Colossus” himself. I will never understand why McConnell and Grahamnesty get more kudos around here than Trump. There are more of us Trumpers today than ever and to ignore the reality that no Republican wields the power and influence over voters than Trump is inexplicable.

The only endorsement that carries any weight in either party is Trump and he is already playing that card. So let’s get him back in the conversation and keep him there. Maybe that will cure a certain founder of his chronic manic depression. A winning narrative is essential and without Trump, there will be no victory.

Antifundamentalist | October 16, 2021 at 9:23 pm

Republicans (and any non-democrat) will not be voting, not because they won’t be casting a ballot, but because their ballot will be fraudulently mishandled.

    You do know this is just silly UNLESS you happen to live in a handful of red/purple states with huge urban (i.e. Dem) voters and poll managers who will do whatever it takes to ensure a Dem win.

    That’s where the fraud happened, not in deep blue or deep red districts. It was swing states with questionable tactics (cancelled vote count, resumed vote count once GOP election watchers were removed, and etc.).

    The solution is not to give up on voting, on your fundamental Constitutional rights, but to ensure such dirty dealing is never again permitted. What can YOU do to secure our elections? (And gee, I’m just not going to vote since it’s rigged anyway is not an acceptable or viable answer.)

      AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | October 17, 2021 at 11:50 pm

      “The solution is not to give up on voting, on your fundamental Constitutional rights, but to ensure such dirty dealing is never again permitted.”

      That time has passed.

      I won’t give up on voting. I just won’t give my vote to someone who turned a blind eye to malfeasance. Republican or Democrat.

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