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Wayne County GOP Rescind Votes Certifying Results, Claims Democrats Bullied Them To Vote Yes

Wayne County GOP Rescind Votes Certifying Results, Claims Democrats Bullied Them To Vote Yes

“After the vote, the public comment period began and dozens of people made personal remarks against me and Mr. Hartmann. The comments made accusations of racism and threatened me and members of my family.”

Michigan’s Wayne County Board of Canvassers Republican members Monica Palmer and William C. Hartmann signed affidavits to rescind their votes to certify results.

They claimed the Democrats bullied them into voting yes.

Palmer and Hartmann have to know that Wayne County is a Democrat Party county.

Trump won Michigan in 2016, but Hillary Clinton demolished him in Wayne County. She got 66% of the votes while Trump took in 30%.

No matter what the outcome will not change, but that does not mean Palmer and Hartmann should just accept the irregularities in the votes.

From The Detroit News:

Two Republican Wayne County canvassers have signed affidavits saying they regret their votes Tuesday to certify the Nov. 3 election, arguing that “intense bullying and coercion” plus bad legal advice forced them to agree to certify the election after they had voted no.

Canvassers Monica Palmer and William Hartmann have claimed the promises made to them of a “comprehensive audit” of the Nov. 3 election should they certify “will not be fulfilled.”

“I rescind my prior vote to certify Wayne County elections,” Palmer said in an affidavit signed Wednesday night. “I fully believe the Wayne County vote should not be certified.”

The counties have 14 days after the election to certify the votes.

Palmer and Hartmann do not think the votes should be certified “until serious irregularities in Detroit votes are resolved.” From Just the News:

“I voted not to certify, and I still believe this vote should not be certified,” Hartmann said in his affidavits. “Until these questions are addressed, I remain opposed to certification of the Wayne County results.”

Added Palmer in her affidavit: “I rescind my prior vote to certify Wayne County elections.”

Both GOP board members said their concerns included discrepancies in nearly three quarters of Detroit’s precinct poll books where ballots are supposed to be matched to qualified voters.

“The Wayne County election had serious process flaws which deserve investigation. I continue to ask for information to assure Wayne County voters that these elections were conducted fairly and accurately. Despite repeated requests I have not received the requisite information and believe an additional 10 days of canvas by the State Board of canvassers will help provide the information necessary,” Palmer explained.

Palmer said that people accused her of racism and threatened her family:

“After the vote, my Democratic colleagues chided me and Mr. Hartmann for voting not to certify,” she said, according to the affidavit obtained by Fox News. “After the vote, the public comment period began and dozens of people made personal remarks against me and Mr. Hartmann. The comments made accusations of racism and threatened me and members of my family. The public comment continued for over two hours and I felt pressured to continue the meeting without a break.”

Palmer and Hartmann are not making up the accusations and threats. Reports and video from a Zoom call showed everyone the abuse thrown at the two of them:

“Your children will be disgusted, and I am sad that you have influence over them,” said Pastor Edward Pruitt.

“Monica, your daughter is gonna look at you in disgust because she’s going to know,” said Trische Duckworth. “And this is going to affect her because people will ask her, ‘Is your mother a racist?'”

“I’m sorry for your descendants, who will be so ashamed of you,” said poll worker Liza Bielby.

“You’re up there with George Wallace and Bull Connor and all those people. And your QAnon crap, that’s all gonna come out,” said Kim Hunter. “Get ready for the racism that you unleash.”

“I hope that your name lives in infamy of being — disenfranchising voters, and racist, and continuing Jim Crow laws, and the attitude of Jim Crow into 2020,” said Detroit Charter Revision Commissioner Denzel McCampbell.

Palmer said only canvassing results influenced her decision to vote no since it showed her they “lacked complete and accurate documentation.” Wayne County had the same problems earlier with the primary. Palmer said that officials did not do enough between the August primary and presidential election to fix the problem.

It is not uncommon for a county to have out-of-balance poll books. But look at these numbers (emphasis mine):

But Detroit has had a higher instance of it occurring in part because of the large volumes of ballots it processes.

In August, 72% of Detroit’s poll books were found to be out of balance, a condition that precluded many of the precincts from being used if a recount were requested. The issues prompted the state to send in additional help ahead of the general election, including veteran state elections official Chris Thomas.

Detroit had problems with precinct count mismatches in the November 2016 election. Election officials couldn’t reconcile vote totals for 59% of precincts in the city during a countywide canvass of vote results with most of the issues involving too many votes.

In both cases, the Wayne County Board of Canvassers still voted to certify the election results despite those unbalanced books.

Get your act together. I thought Chicago was bad.


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We are at a watershed moment in our history. Dark forces have used the cover of racism and lately the pandemic to try and bully, maim and threaten law abiding and fair people into submission. Western values based on the ten commandments are falling prey to a deranged political theology without any moral foundation.
The Machiavellian subversion of our Republic has to be stood up to with every legal and if necessary physical force. It seems surreal but it is here and now.
I believe the 2nd Civil War is already here and it won’t be the Henry Rifle or the Mini ball that wins this war. It will be the adherence to the Constitution ,the contribution of non violent heroes across the country revealing truth and clamoring for justice that wins this .

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to sabrose2. | November 19, 2020 at 12:39 pm

    As I commented below one thing normal citizens can do is start thousands and thousands and thousands of million-dollar lawsuits against everything Democrat Party.

    There’s an interesting insight and comment from around the web about the selection.


    …. the betting odds on election night went up to better than 3 to 1 in Trump’s favor. At that point, all of a sudden, all the funny business started. Crooked areas stopped counting votes simultaneously, hundreds of thousands of phony ballots for Biden started arriving, there was a radical shift in the betting odds back in Biden’s favor. If that doesn’t spell FIX, best not to get involved in sports betting 🙂

    Hieronymous Machine in reply to sabrose2. | November 19, 2020 at 1:26 pm

    Scott-Heron was right: “The Revolution will *not* be televised,” just not for the reasons he supposed. He didn’t consider that legacy media would in fact be the *enemy* of light (who knew that WaPo was declaring not a warning but the goal?) and, further, that “television” (selfies, livestream, etc.) would be a primary reason for revolution (or at least violence).

    Yes, Civil War II is likely already underway, but just like Jesus was rejected because he wasn’t the warrior king expected, so too is this war unlike what we thought it would be.

    I look forward to some better analogies.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | November 19, 2020 at 12:11 pm

It is high time that normal citizens start hundreds of thousands of million-dollar lawsuit against Democrats and Democrat Party apparatus including their media.

Is this description of the Democrat Party or of Barbarians it’s almost impossible to tell the difference. Read it and see for yourself.


In reading the article, I started to wonder about how the Romans used to perceive the barbarians of their time.
I came across the following, which describes only too well what we in the 1st world are dealing with today:

[…selections from historian Herwig Wolfram’s famous description of barbarians from the perspective of a 3rd century Roman:

“They remain outside the civilized world. They are barbarians; their language does not sound human, more like stammering and mere noise… Under the assault of their horrible songs the classical meter of the ancient poet goes to pieces… For barbarians can neither think nor act rationally… [T]hey are dominated by a horrible death wish: they actually look forward to dying. Even their women take part in battle. Barbarians are driven by evil spirts; ‘they are possessed by demons’ who force them to commit the most terrible acts. Barbarians simply resemble animals more than they do human beings, concluded contemporaries, wondering whether barbarians shared in human nature at all… As ‘two-legged animals’ the barbarians were viewed as incapable of living according to written laws and only reluctantly tolerating kings…

Their lust for gold is immense, their love of drink boundless. Barbarians are without restraint… The reproductive energy of the barbarians is inexhaustible.”]

It’s in the code: Trump won Michigan and Wisconsin
By Nick Chase

Here is an example of one of the losers that was threatening. He is associate with one of the Squad.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to MarkSmith. | November 19, 2020 at 12:41 pm


    Derek (“Out Of Likes”)
    Nov 18
    His name is Abraham Aiyash. I wonder if he’s ready for national celebrity? The Dem local yokels don’t seem to have yet realized that this is not a local issue.
    Quote Tweet
    Miss Michigan
    · Nov 18

    The exact moment Democrat Abraham Aiyash threatened Monica Palmer’s children on zoom. This extortion attempt directly influenced the decision to agree to certify the election fraud in #WayneCounty.

Giuliani, Powell etal just released the Kraken! What a press conference!

ScottTheEngineer | November 19, 2020 at 1:38 pm

If you ever get the feeling that things look bad. Just remember theres a little girl in a Ronald McDonald house with leukemia.
Then remember that a scumbag from antifa threw a brick through the window. Democrats are supporting them.
There is no low low enough.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | November 19, 2020 at 1:51 pm

‘The Nation’ Writes Piece Cheering On Eugenics And The Ultimate Extermination Of Down Syndrome Through It…

Weasel Zippers

So Professor, we could use a post on the constitutional steps to ignore these fraudulent and uncheckable vote totals and have another entity or entities determine the next president.

Such as the state legislatures or Congress itself. Mo Brooks mentioned this.

Rush Limbaugh shut down a lawyer yesterday that called in and noted that SCOTUS has recently stated individuals have no “right” to vote for prez. Rush should not have done that.

Half the voters chose Trump. This is not a novel proposition that when elections officers keep GOP watchers out of the vote counting, that that election count might be set aside.

Enough tiptoeing through the tulips. Let’s just write it out: the Constitution allows state legislators and Congress to determine the next prez.

The powers that be need to step up, The GOPers need to step up, and say it loud and proud.

“No matter what the outcome will not change, but that does not mean Palmer and Hartmann should just accept the irregularities in the votes.” This is not accurate. The State of Michigan awards electoral votes, for President, based upon the statewide vote totals for each candidate, with winner taking all. So, it does not matter whether Biden wins the Detroit Metro Area or not. If Trump garners the most popular votes, statewide, the HE wins Michigan’s electoral college votes. In this case, it appears that significant election fraud took place in Detroit. The extent of this fraud may never be accurately known, simply because there is no way to differentiate individual votes once they have been scanned into the system. And, that is where things get sticky. How do you accurately determine which ballots are legal and which not? So, howw to adjust the vote tally to eliminate the tainted ballots.

There are two ways. One is to find the point where a massive dump of possible illegal ballots occurred or is most likely to have occurred and disallow all ballot tallies from that point forward. This, of course, will be greeted by complaints that it is not fair to Biden as it will disenfranchise some legitimate voters who vote for him. The other method is to simply disallow all votes tallied in that jurisdiction as being part of the tainted vote pool. While fairer to both candidates, there will still be complaints from the Biden camp. As the ballot dumps, which pushed Biden into the lead, were apparently mail-in ballots, either method would essentially make Trump the winner. The same thing thing could be done in WI, PA, GA and, to a lesser extent, in NV. This is why this is all going to end up in court. The states will not take the necessary action on their own.

    Barry in reply to Mac45. | November 19, 2020 at 6:02 pm

    “This is not accurate.”

    Correct. I was going to say the same and you already have. The state total is all that matters, and taking away votes from corrupt Wayne county will do it for Trump. Hiden is a bit over 150K votes ahead of Trump and there are easily that many fraudulent votes in just Wayne county.

    By the way, Trump received almost 400K more votes in 2020 than he got in 2016, and that doesn’t count the ones switched from Trump to Corruptbiden.

In almost every state in the Union, members of official government boards are considered public officials. And every state has laws which make it illegal to threaten public officials, especially to coerce those officials into taking a particular course of action, with regard to their jobs. People making these threats should be prosecuted.

Michigan’s sec of state said the commish dudes can’t rescind their votes.
Nice to see soros minions being out front about the communists they really are.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to 4fun. | November 19, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    They will also be out front and first in line for the “Traitor’s Treat.”

    Soros is already dead……

Palmer & Hartmann may want to rescind their votes, but there isn’t a legal mechanism in Michigan for them to do so. Michigan results are certified.
This is all bad kabuki theater. No grand conspiracy, no hundreds of thousands of votes that will change the result of the election.

Trump doesn’t care about the country, he cares about himself.

    randian in reply to BAB. | November 20, 2020 at 2:09 pm

    There is a legal mechanism. It’s called “duress”. Whether a Michigan court will be honest enough to accept a claim of duress is another matter entirely.