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Wuhan Virus Watch: Now Fauci says staying closed for too long may cause ‘irreparable damage’

Wuhan Virus Watch: Now Fauci says staying closed for too long may cause ‘irreparable damage’

Over 4,500 virus patients sent to NY nursing home. CMS administrator Verma responds to NY Gov. Cuomo accusing Trump of causing the nursing home deaths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CFVgUmaHpo

Today’s update begins with a statement from one of the leading voices behind the nationwide lockdown: Coronavirus Task Force member Dr. Anthony Fauci.

Yesterday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield told The Hill he thinks the U.S. can reopen. Now, Fauci is saying that staying closed to long may be harmful to the nation’s economic health.

Stay-at-home orders intended to curb the spread of the coronavirus could end up causing “irreparable damage” if imposed for too long, White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNBC on Friday.

“I don’t want people to think that any of us feel that staying locked down for a prolonged period of time is the way to go,” Fauci said during an interview with CNBC’s Meg Tirrell on “Halftime Report.”

He said the U.S. had to institute severe measures because Covid-19 cases were exploding then. “But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”

It appears that the entire administration is lining up for a full reopening of the economy.

Over 4,500 virus patients sent to NY nursing homes

When the responses to the pandemic are reviewed, the decisions that led officials to press sending elderly and chronically ill individuals who were infected with the coronavirus back into facilities where other vulnerable elderly and chronically ill patients were being cared for will need to be carefully reviewed. Special attention will need to be given if these facilities were forced to take in patients after they indicated they did not have the resources to handle the infected.

More than 4,500 recovering coronavirus patients were sent to New York’s already vulnerable nursing homes under a controversial state directive that was ultimately scrapped amid criticisms it was accelerating the nation’s deadliest outbreaks, according to a count by The Associated Press.

AP compiled its own tally to find out how many COVID-19 patients were discharged from hospitals to nursing homes under the March 25 directive after New York’s Health Department declined to release its internal survey conducted two weeks ago. It says it is still verifying data that was incomplete.

Whatever the full number, nursing home administrators, residents’ advocates and relatives say it has added up to a big and indefensible problem for facilities that even Gov. Andrew Cuomo — the main proponent of the policy — called “the optimum feeding ground for this virus.”

CMS administrator Verma responds to NY Gov. Cuomo, outlines renewed effort to protect nursing home residents from COVID-19

Recently, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo tried to blame President Donald Trump for the staggering number of deaths at the state’s nursing homes.

First Gov. Andrew Cuomo blamed nursing homes for a widely criticized directive from his Health Department barring the facilities from turning away coronavirus-positive people — now he’s pawning it off on the White House.

Critics should “ask President Trump” about it, the governor said Wednesday, arguing that the federal government actually cooked up the mandate — and that New York was just following Washington’s lead.

Coronavirus Task Force member and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) administrator Seema Verma responded with a robust plan that would have saved lives if it has been implemented.

Verma also recently outlined renewed efforts to protect nursing home residents from infection.

“When doctors and hospitals are discharging patients from hospitals, they have to make sure that we are discharging the patient to a place that can accommodate their needs,” Verma said. “And if that person is still testing positive, they need to be isolated and … [medical professionals must] make sure that isolation and care can continue in the most appropriate setting.”

..”One of the things we did on the federal level was to increase reimbursement for testing and actually, for the first time, pay for labs to go out to nursing homes to collect samples,” said Verma, who insisted that “more and more nursing homes” are now being tested.

Earlier Monday, the CDC issued guidelines on reopening nursing homes, outlining parameters around testing, but stopped short of federally mandating them, host Martha MacCallum observed.

Verma said the administration is open to moving “towards a requirement” if “we felt like there wasn’t compliance … but at this time we feel like the recommendation around testing is a baseline, so we not only want to test the residents, but we also want to make sure that the health care staff and that nursing facility is also tested as well.”

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Cuomo was just doing the work of the DNC to rid the world of elderly people where he could get away with it. Just another cradle to grave final solution for the leftists.

On a different front, I never got Fauci… I swear he is in the same mental progression as Biden is in.

texansamurai | May 23, 2020 at 10:19 am

probably a microaggression but fauci definitely has one of those ” punch me ” faces–could not listen to him for very long before the urge to walk away or deck him took over

I thought he was a doctor, not an economist. Actually, he’s a bureaucrat, not a doctor. Or I guess you could consider him a doctor without a clue. Regardless, why are we still listening to this fool?

amatuerwrangler | May 23, 2020 at 11:00 am

This whole episode is an illustration of the fact that a large number of people who are placed in positions of authority have neither the desire or ability to wield that authority effectively.

For three years, maybe longer, we have been hearing the “no political experience” attack on PDJT but when things heat up those with political experience (governors, career bureaucrats, etc) demonstrate that their job is too big for them. Those with experience at actually getting things done, not “working hard” or “doing a study” are the ones who end up moving the ball forward.

Prediction: Voters will continue to vote in the same idiots.

harleycowboy | May 23, 2020 at 11:30 am

This clown is suffering from Joe Biden disease.

PrincetonAl | May 23, 2020 at 11:33 am

“Never trust a man who blows hot and cold with the same breath” – Aesop

All I need to know in one sentence about him.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | May 23, 2020 at 11:41 am

Comrade Whitmer Extends Stay-Home Order to June 12th – Michigan Now Focused on Eliminating Non-Existent “Second Wave”…

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/05/22/comrade-whitmer-extends-stay-home-order-to-june-12th-michigan-now-focused-on-eliminating-non-existent-second-wave/

2smartforlibs | May 23, 2020 at 11:43 am

Listing to Fauci is like playing a board game. Is there space he hasn’t Occupied? Why do we listen to him?

“Now, Fauci is saying that staying closed to long may be harmful to the nation’s economic health”

Straight from the No-Kidding-Sherlock-File drawer.

buckeyeminuteman | May 23, 2020 at 11:54 am

1. Kill all the elderly
2. “Mail” the ballots claiming you didn’t know they died
3. Actually keep the ballot at the election office
4. Fill it out for them, voting D down the line
5. Claim Trump lost and point to the numbers
6. By the time anybody looks into it, Michelle is already President.

    Michigan and Maryland intend to do exactly that, as well as have ballot factories for people who haven’t voted in years…like Broward County in Florida has. Work rooms devoted to filling out ballots for people who haven’t voted in years. In PA, they have votes for people over 120 years old…and it remains unexplained. But as a long time chair of the Elections Registration Commission I will tell you it is easy. You just identify the registered who have not voted for 3 elections or so, hand the ballots over to a voter fraud ring, they fill out and wait for the vote results. As the names on the ballots do not show up, they are dumped in a precinct box at the elections office.>>>Broward County.

I haven’t seen anyone mention the relevant economic issues. I believe the following statements are correct.

Health insurance companies will pay for hospitalization only as long as the hospital can show that being in a hospital is providing benefit to the patient. This is normally determined by inflexible bureaucratic rules.

Therefore, hospitals normally try to send patients to nursing facilities as soon as possible.

Health insurance does not cover nursing facility costs.

Medicaid covers nursing facility costs for patients who have exhausted their own resources.

Medicaid is primarily funded by states. The federal government provides block grants.

    buckeyeminuteman in reply to gibbie. | May 23, 2020 at 12:55 pm

    So what you’re saying is; kill everyone in the nursing homes and it frees up room in the state budget…

      “So what you’re saying is; kill everyone in the nursing homes and it frees up room in the state budget…”

      Mind reading without a license, and assuming the worst of people.

      I’m suggesting that these considerations have been factored into decision making long before Wuhan pandemic. I experienced this type of thinking on the part of hospitals when my father was in bad shape 20 years ago.

Can’t wait to see how those who think Fauci’s word is gospel twist themselves in knots trying to explain this one.

The national media has been asking Trump why he hasn’t taken personal responsibility for the Wuhan Virus for months, where is the same media when it comes to Cuomo taking responsibility?
I think we all know why.

Albigensian | May 23, 2020 at 1:01 pm

“It stated that a nursing home can accept a resident diagnosed with COVID-19, as long as the facility can follow CDC guidance for Transmission-Based Precautions.”

The statement does not seem unreasonable. The problems are (1) very few nursing homes are actually able to provide the required isolation between contagious and non-contagious residents, and (2) nursing homes are businesses, and few can stand the loss of revenue if many of their residents are re-located to other facilities.

So, someone surely dropped the ball here. Using “able to follow CDC guidelines” as a default assumption is wrong, as the nursing homes have a strong interest in saying they can do so and therefore likely will do so, absent independent evaluation.

Finally, there is the ever-present possibility of nursing home staff becoming infected, either within or outside the facility, and no one realizing this until it is too late.

Nursing home work does not pay well, and the job of R.N. in a nursing home is primarily one of supervising the nurses’ aides and not that of delivering nursing services. Yet it’s become apparent that public transit (subways and buses) have served as a disease vector here, yet many nurses aides have no other way to get to/from work.

I realize there’s a lot to think about here, but, isn’t it the duty of public health authorities to ensure that the necessary thinking (evaluation of expected consequences, risk vs benefit calculations) are performed and used to make well-informed decisions?

    Mac45 in reply to Albigensian. | May 23, 2020 at 1:48 pm

    There is now considerable evidence that some, if not many ACLFs, nursing homes and long-term care facilities told NY and NJ public health officials that they could not house people who were infected with COVID-19. They public health officials apparently told them that they could not simply turn these people out on the street, while at the same time refusing to continue hospitalization and quarantine. These officials abrogated their responsibilities and dumped the problem onto the elderly care facilities. As noted in the quote you used, these facilities have to be able to meet the CDC guidelines for possible COVID infection, as well as infectious disease guidelines in order to house infectious patients. And, it is the responsibility of the state, which licenses such facilities, to make sure that the facility can meet or exceed those guidelines before allowing them to house infectious residents.

    healthguyfsu in reply to Albigensian. | May 23, 2020 at 3:03 pm

    tl; dr

    It’s actually quite simple:
    States were to read CDC guidelines, which did not say anything about “forcing” patients into nursing homes.

    Cuomo didn’t read it, did what he wanted to do (force them in), and is trying to assign retroactive blame.

Fauci is a clown. He’s a bad joke.

Worse, he’s a useful idiot of the left.

Dump his ass.

Doctor Anthony Mengele von Strangelove needs to be shown the door. The sooner the better.

Fauci is a doctor not an economist. We shouldn’t put much emphasis on anything he says regarding the economy.

On the readmission/post-hospital CMS-regulated, multi-state-executed elderly care scandal/debacle, it seems increasingly plain and clear (from my, an increasingly cynical perspective) that the NY version, among others, was just another tactical advance in the Dem-Left disdain for the established, Constitutional arrangement of both the idea and the practice of ordered liberty, and, under law, equal justice for all.

The CMS-issued Revised Guidance of March 13, 2020, is, apparently, in these illegal insurrectionists’ strategic view, mere political hackery, rather than sound and sensible — ie, a revolutionary revision of — guidance on already-promulgated federal-agency (HHS/CMS) regulation — which itself, they’d say self-evidently, lacks the correct, revolutionary letter and spirit.

Such disregard and distortion of good regulatory authority and bounded action in substantive federalism during a national crisis is, being beyond poetic, tantamount to blatant and egregious revolt if not taken to court to protest civilly and under law. Might it be fair to call it a prelude to Civil War II — coming close to or maybe already being a metaphor for a shot on Fort Sumter? I think so.

What the Dem-Left Rebellion tends to do these days more and more:

Misread and misconstrue, distort; twist and turn inside-out responsible federal guidance language, then issue immoral, indeed evil, predictably harmful, if not murderous edicts unrelated to the plan and purpose of any valid state — the protection of its citizens, let alone one in union with the United States.

And, lest that not be enough on the road to so-called equality and equity, go on to take no responsibility for the easily calculable and foreseen, most dire consequences of this official criminal negligence.

But there’s more to not teach your kids: to inaccurately, dishonestly, and most irresponsibly blame the original, federal, guiding regulators, whose original, referenced document during the current Covidian crisis was certainly clear enough in its intent for state agencies to do other than what the revolting, executing states — led by the regularly seen image and voice, the trying tenor and tone of the unfree-press-humored-and-passed Frer (Andrew) du Fredocon (Chris) — did in fact promulgate and enforce.

This was, I cannot help but conclude, whether artfully or not, designed, calculated, and intentional. There it is, I’m postulating: guilty minds (specific agency heads and CEO-governors) as the sure and necessary complement for guilty acts (to be laid out, perhaps), constituting a real crime and its blameworthy agents of wrongdoing — the most cynical possible, general observation, irrespective of underlying motive. I may be wrong, but the overall direction of present and recent, like and similarly counter-constitutional events arguably warrant the view’s acceptance. Anyway, I believe the theory to be true.

A federal investigation, sought by Rep Stefanik et al is certainly in good order, and truly needed — if want pretty much the same country we grew up in (forget about our parents in this regard) and we wish to bequeath to our legacy.

As an afterword, the ongoing revolt found its clarion call to arms in The Declaration of Dependence, as it were, which, on October 30, 2008, in Columbia, Missouri, summoned Hope & Change in earnest, “from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California” with the express aim of ” . . . fundamentally transforming the United States of America . . .”

— Barry O
(As the shiny-toothed and “clean,” Dem-Left
candidate for the Office of POTUS, before a
massive crowd of swooning future serfs —
those who, you know, had awaited themselves, and
whose ongoing, strengthening, socially just
activism will come to achieve, finally, forever
and for all, the calming of the upset seas, etc)

Governor Cuomo et al’s present revolt against all things constitutional, legal, and customary, ie, the bourgeois-based establishment, they would decry — made, however, to preserve and protect the unalienable freedoms belonging to our citizens, and ensure, whether by the doctrine of the Separation of Powers or of Federalism, etc, civil and just relations between us all — are not only ill-gotten and reprehensible, no; they are, moreover, indicative of smaller than satisfactory-sized, just mediocre-quality souls attempting, and succeeding, to fill the actual leadership roles of individuals much friendlier and far more supportive of the gifts, ambitions, aims, dreams, determination, and hard, hard work attaching by definition to responsible and competent individuals. Get a real job, crooked and cracked state agency heads and governors. Quit faking at yours. We’d prefer that.

But not only that, it doesn’t teach America’s kids, learning and growing up much more quickly and deftly than arrogant idiots like Cuomo et al would believe the right, critically important lessons on what’s really right and wrong, good and bad, even civil and uncivil.

“So, crush the infamy!” and “let justice de done, though the heavens may fall,” as it were.

Put down the injurious and murderous revolt by the illegal, immoral edicts issued maliciously by the presently insurrectionist states and governors.

Investigate, find good cause and reason to and, if found, do indict; prosecute; convict; and, if done, sentence. Find further good and reason to and do punish these heinous, inhuman, civilly treacherous acts.

These bastards must see out from behind cell bars, and for quite a while.

Respectfully put, Elise, (NY-21 CD), “Git ‘er done”; lead the way as you do so uniquely well, and with sure impact. Make ’em pay!

We trust that you and others (it might be necessary or close to that these days to add dutifully) will ensure the continued, but increasingly threatened, “survival and success of liberty”.

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