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Will the Feds flip Julie Swetnick against Michael Avenatti?

Will the Feds flip Julie Swetnick against Michael Avenatti?

From what we know about flimflam mam Julie Swetnick, is there a doubt that if offered the right deal, she would flip on Avenatti as to allegedly perjurious sworn statements against Kavanaugh?

Here’s a thought experiment.

If you were a federal prosecutor, and given the choice, would you prioritize prosecuting:

(a) a clearly disturbed woman with a long history of flimflam, but who in herself has no important societal role but for her outlandish and possibly perjurious sworn statements against a Supreme Court nominee, or

(b) the high-profile lawyer who helped her and a second woman submit possibly perjurious sworn statements, who is a fixture on cable TV, and who has presidential ambitions.

If you say, ‘get the lawyer’ — come on down.

But if you wanted go after the lawyer, what would you need to prove criminal culpability? After all, if you can’t prove the lawyer knew of the falsity of the sworn statements, and took no steps to suborn the perjury, you would need more for a prosecution. Whether it’s a perjury or conspiracy prosecution, what you would need, barring some documentary smoking gun, is for the witness accused of perjury to flip on the lawyer.

“He made me do it” might be enough. It would be in the jury’s hands.

Fast forward to the real world.

Julie Swetnick submitted a sworn statement, through Michael Avenatti, that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh participated in arranging gang rape parties in high school.

Swetnick’s story, dropped just before Kavanaugh and accuser Christine Blasey Ford were to testify, fell apart during Swetnick’s interview with NBC News, Julie Swetnick’s rape train claims against Kavanaugh crash and burn in NBC Interview:

Julie Swetnick, Michael Avenatti’s client, has the most incredible of all the accusations against Brett Kavanaugh — that he participated in organizing and running rape train parties in which girls were given spiked drinks then gang raped.

Her original declaration is here.

Both Kavanaugh and Mark Judge, who Swetnick also implicated, denied the accusations:

Previous attempts to corroborate any part of her story proved fruitless. Yet Avenatti has been taunting Senate Republicans that her story would be proven.

NBC News interviewed Swetnick, and her story collapses to such a degree that NBC cautioned viewers that her story was not corroborated and contradicted, in important details, her sworn affidavit submitted by Avenatti.

Swetnick and Avenatti recently were referred by the Chuck Grassley, Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, to the DOJ and FBI for criminal investigation with regard to sworn statements submitted by Swetnick. The referral is not limited to perjury, but to any possible crime the evidence might show.

We covered the story previously, Senate Judiciary refers Julie Swetnick and Michael Avenatti for criminal investigation. From the referral announcement:

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley today referred Julie Swetnick and her attorney Michael Avenatti to the Justice Department for criminal investigation relating to a potential conspiracy to provide materially false statements to Congress and obstruct a congressional committee investigation, three separate crimes, in the course of considering Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court of the United States.

While the Committee was in the middle of its extensive investigation of the late-breaking sexual-assault allegations made by Dr. Christine Blasey Ford against Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh, Avenatti publicized his client’s allegations of drug- and alcohol-fueled gang rapes in the 1980s. The obvious, subsequent contradictions along with the suspicious timing of the allegations necessitate a criminal investigation by the Justice Department….

The referral methodically details the issues with Swetnick’s allegations as relayed by Avenatti, the immediate diversion of committee resources to investigate those allegations, the subsequent contradictions by both Swetnick and Avenatti, the lack of substantiating or corroborating evidence, and the overarching and serious credibility problems pervading the presentation of these allegations.

There was a second criminal referral, this time just of Avenatti. The second referral concern a sworn statement from a second woman purporting to back up Swetnick’s claims, and submitted by Avenatti. NBC News just recently disclosed, for the first time, that it knew no later than October 3, 2018, three days before that Senate floor vote, that the second sworn statement had been disavowed by the woman making it.

The second referral read, in part:

Yesterday, I wrote to you referring Mr. Michael Avenatti and Ms. Julie Swetnick for investigation of potential violations of 18 U.S.C. §§ 371, 1001, and 1505, for materially false statements they made to the Senate Judiciary Committee during the course of the Committee’s investigation into allegations against Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh. I write today because of important additional information regarding Mr. Avenatti that has since come to the Committee’s attention. In light of this new information, I am now referring Mr. Avenatti for investigation of additional potential violations of those same laws, stemming from a second declaration he submitted to the Committee that also appears to contain materially false statements. As explained below, according to NBC News, the purported declarant of that sworn statement has disavowed its key allegations and claimed that Mr. Avenatti “twisted [her] words.”

We covered this development, and NBC News’ complicity in concealing important information, in NBC News turns on Michael Avenatti over Julie Swetnick, but it concealed problem.

So let’s get back to our thought experiment, in the Swetnick/Avenatti scenario.

It’s not like Avenatti doesn’t understand the pressures the Feds can put on a witness to flip on a lawyer. Avenatti brags that he was the first to predict that Michael Cohen, Donald Trump’s former lawyer, would flip on Trump:

Having seen Julie Swetnick in action on TV, is there a doubt in your mind that if offered the right deal, she would turn on Avenatti in a heartbeat?

How would Avenatti defend himself? Would he call his former client a liar about her claim to have lied in her sworn statement? The same client he repeatedly said was not a liar.

I don’t know what the feds will do. Or how much they care. But if they did flip Swetnick against Avenatti, it would be a fitting closing act in this drama.

There’s a word for this, that Avenatti loves to use: #Basta.


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She’s a grifter, and a lame one at that. A silver tongued talker could get her on the promise of riches that equates to a meal at Sizzler.

The question is… Why go after Avenetti? He’s the gift that keeps on giving. He’s the guy who single handedly saved the Kavanaugh nomination IMO. Hell, I’m even considering getting the guy a go-fund-me account to stay on the news and continue to embarrass the left.

    Colonel Travis in reply to Andy. | October 28, 2018 at 8:32 pm

    Understand wanting him to be out there making a fool of himself and the (D) party. However, if he perjured himself (or did anything else illegal), the stronger message will be to punish him rather than let him continue to languish in the public sphere.

    Lewfarge in reply to Andy. | October 28, 2018 at 8:36 pm

    I don’t disagree but ave-nuto really deserves an orange jumpsuit for this and a WHOLE SLEW of previous transgressions.

      I really have a hard time digesting the contest of stupidity between q-ball and the media as real. I know the media is full of souless dumb-dumbs with the brains and instincts of TWD zombies, but seriously- I’d put a 5% chance that Ave’s secretly on Trump’s payroll with the express purpose of outflanking his detractors to be an even worse caricature of themselves than they already are.

      …and check the polling at midterms as a result of this clown.

      It’s damn near staged.

    Jackie in reply to Andy. | October 29, 2018 at 7:30 am

    He’s an officer of the court and has a responsibility not to present cases or affidavits that he knows are fictitious, just to get a political enemy. I don’t think his pals in the democrat party that probably were edging him on will back him in the end. He is in trouble.

      Tom Servo in reply to Jackie. | October 29, 2018 at 2:00 pm

      as soon as I saw Swetnick’s interview, where her story fell apart and she couldn’t back up what she had said before, I had the distinct impression that she had been heavily coached all the way as to what to say to make a maximum impact – and that as soon as her coach wasn’t at her side, feeding her lines, she fell apart.

      That’s why I don’t pay much attention to her, or care much whether she is punished or not – to me she’s just a talking parrot, no more. I’m interested in the one who put so much effort into training the talking parrot into causing trouble.

The Feds need to go after Avenetti, if for no other reason to put him out of our misery in the practice of law. He NEEDS to be disbarred. Badly. As I’ve said elsewhere, Avenetti is a glorified ambulance chaser, that has profited by being in the right place at the right time to extract settlements from key public figures.

He THOUGHT that he could leverage Stephanie Clifford (aka Stormy Daniels) into a platform that would get him onto TV and then tried to be the “giant killer” that took down Supreme Court Nominee Kavanaugh” so he could claim he “saved the Republic from a far-right conservative nominee.” But, he wasn’t counting on Susan Collins actually voting for Kavanaugh. Avenetti thought that if he raised enough smoke that Kavanaugh would be defeated, and as soon as the confirmation fight was over, Sen. Grassley would shift to other priorities, and Avenetti would be safe.

BUT Sen. Grassley has had other ideas. Now it’s up to the FBI to do THEIR job and find the perjury (and for President Trump to FIRE Jeff Sessions and replace him with somebody who is ACTUALLY going to bring the full weight of the FBI to investigate and the Justice Department to Prosecute. It’s time to start BRINGING THE PAIN to those who are committing perjury for the sole purpose of trying to derail the agenda. ALL the leaks have to be plugged, with the leakers GOING TO PRISON for enough time to send a message. ALL the personnel in revolt need to be cleaned out, and the DEEP STATE needs to be pulled up by its roots (and civil servants need to be FIRED for insubordination in failure to follow the administration directives).

    What Chuck said.

    Interesting scenario and plausible except for the part about Collins flipping to vote “for”. The Dem game plan all along was for either Trump to withdraw the nomination or for Kavanaugh to drop out. Once both made it clear that neither would happen, it became a game of delay, delay, delay in hopes that the mid-terms would deliver Congress to the Dems. That back-fired too. And now Avenatti finds himself fighting for his life. Liars gonna lie so he just keeps doubling down.

    I’m hoping we learn that the extended FBI investigations had more to do with solidifying the case against Avenatti & Co. than about Kavanaugh. That might set the stage for going after Feinstein and others who collaborated with this fraud.

    Important people, and lots of them, need to go to prison for this as a strong deterrent for what we know is going to be standard procedure if nothing happens. At some point, there have to be serious consequences for treason. It has to start somewhere and this doesn’t risk national security so let it start here.

      BTW, isn’t it odd that Hillary is choosing now to bring attention to herself as a 2020 POTUS candidate? Could it be that she is feeling the noose getting tight and her hopes of escape have dwindled down to political immunity for being a candidate? The sense of panic is undeniable across the board for the globalist establishment and their Deep State machine. With Obama ineligible and no other serious candidates visible, it’s her last hope. Wouldn’t this explain why everything has gone haywire on such a grand scale? This is the most desperate behavior by a most desperate people. Why are they suddenly desperate?

      Let’s add that as a major narrative. A legal countdown clock for when she can legally be declared fair game for prosecution? Whereas many of her crimes have outlasted the statute of limitations already, that doesn’t apply to treason.

    You just insulted all ambulance chasers.

Avenatti is a well respected lawyer according to a certain LI commenter.

But hey, horseface is a fine actress and producer according to the same commenter.

    Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | October 28, 2018 at 9:11 pm

    And you are a damned liar. As proven many times over.

      Somebody call your name?

      Shall I put up your comments regarding Avenatti?

      You throw out the word liar and can never point out a single lie.

      You’re deranged. You made up the “Avenatti respect” simply because he is opposed to Trump. You align yourself with the most despicable characters.

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | October 29, 2018 at 9:06 am

        Yes, you stinking POS. Put up a LINK. Not your lying distortion.

        What I DID say is that Avennati is an effective trial advocate. I’ve also told you several times that John O’Quinn was one of the most effective Texas lawyers in history, and a person I despised. One can recognize a talented litigator and still deplore them. Just like I can recognize that Duh Donald has certain talents while still recognizing that he’s a pig.

        What I DID say about Daniels is that she has had a successful career acting, writing, directing and producing pron. That’s just a simple fact.

        So, your stupid lies are…again…laid bare.

        And for what? Just to lie in service of your cult leader to troll me.


          “He is guilty as charged.
          You know it.
          She has a VERY good lawyer, as you’re about to discover.
          She lives in Texas. Texas is a “debtor state”, which means that any judgment he takes against her is pretty much subject to exemptions under the Texas Constitution.
          T-rump, on the other hand, has LOTS of exposure to judgment debt.
          I’ll bet on the Stormy.”

          As I was saying…
          Oh, I do love that last part “I’ll bet on the Stormy”. You’d lose as bad as the porno queen and her creepy porn lawyer.

          Clifford is a successful writer (!), producer (!), and director (!) of porn. Which, it seems, lots of people consume on a disturbingly regular basis.
          She lives in a nice suburb in North Texas where she has her horses and her family.”

          Notice the enthusiasm!!!

          Just a nice family girl, eh?

          Lessee, at 300K plus, $5 per BJ, at 100 BJ’s per day, she should have Trump paid off in, oh, about 2 years.


          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | October 30, 2018 at 11:53 am

          Yep. Just as I said. You are a stinking liar.

          “She has a VERY good lawyer, as you’re about to discover.”

          Deranged. As anyone can see. Also, “So, your stupid lies are…again…laid bare” and “you stinking POS”.

          Betting on a creepy porn lawyer is always a bad idea.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | October 30, 2018 at 12:57 pm

          The man’s been a very effective trial advocate.

          And you’re a stinking liar.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | October 30, 2018 at 12:59 pm

          BTW, lying POS, that thread you cited from was NOT about a court case.

          BTW, lying POS, that thread I cited from was all about your admiration for the creepy porn lawyer and the porno queen.

          “The man’s been a very effective trial advocate.”

          LOL, we’re all noticing just how effective the creepy porn lawyer really is. Under federal investigation, firm getting booted for non payment of rent, feds after him for back taxes, partner after him for money owed, appears broke. And then, porno queens case getting booted and SHE has to pay the legal costs. Yep, highly effective.

          But hey, he’s a liar, you both have that in common.

          Creepy porn lawyer is a conman, just like “Ragspierre”.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | October 31, 2018 at 10:07 am

          Butt-hurt Barri, you know…as always…that you are filthy liar.

          It’s just who you are.

          It’s all you have.

          “The man’s been a very effective trial advocate.”

          Sure. Pull the other one. So, your either lying or your an idiot. Most likely both.

        “Horseface is a fine actress…”

        We should ask to see his VHS collection.

      Ratbert in reply to Ragspierre. | October 29, 2018 at 9:32 am

      Triggered by the truth!

        Tom Servo in reply to Ratbert. | October 29, 2018 at 2:18 pm

        It’s always fun when the person who’s been expertly trolled instantly jumps in to the thread with both feet, instantly making sure that everyone knows beyond a doubt who’s being talked about, and simultaneously showing that he has been completely pwned by the original poster. Ah, that’s what makes these message boards constantly amusing!

    Horseeface is a proper noun. Please capitize it when you refer to the ho.

I’d flip the priorities on that. Avenati is going down with or without this particular indictment. Swetnik on the other hand, is an over privileged grifter who seems to be setting up to pull the helpless woman defense. Letting that run is a bad precedent.

She understands what she’s doing, perhaps by instinct more than words. This time she pulled a bigger, loudeer con than her previous capers and it’s finally fixing to blow up on her.. let her do 3 to 10 in club fed, anything less and she won’t learn the lesson.. Make it a facility with no telephone or Internet access, and heavily restricted visitation so as to prevent her from pulling a celebrity publicity grift out of it. After a complete and balanced trial, of course.

She has nice hair. He has no hair. Take a pair of baseball bats, like that scene in Good Guys, and let them have a shared experience.

Forget ‘deals.’ Nail them both.

. . . the purported declarant of that sworn statement has disavowed its key allegations and claimed that Mr. Avenatti “twisted [her] words.”

If the words are on a signed written statement, it will be hard to blame Avenatti for them, unless he forged the document.

It’s not clear that any of this is enough to sink a slippery weasel like Avenatti. And I can’t see anything from a ridiculous witness like Swetnick being very convincing in court.

    Considering how many pages are on a statement, and the process of making one, I can see how easily a forgery can be done.

    -Print a statement with an obvious typo on the front page.
    -Print a second statement the way you want it to be, and no typo.
    -Go through the first statement with the witness. Mark the typo and any corrections.
    -‘Print’ a corrected copy (i.e. the second statement) and have them sign it. Keep the original. Don’t make copies. Like like a rug.

Neither of them is going to face the slightest consequence as long as Sessionzzzzz the coward is in charge.

Rosenstein and his puppet Sessions will do nothing. Rosenstein tried to bring Kavanaugh down for Schumer but realized it was too dangerous a move with impeachment pending.

They ought to be referring that Ford woman to DOJ for prosecution. Along with her lawyer, and Diane Feinstein.

No point in flipping Swetnick. It is hard to find a less credible witness.

I’m jaded. After seeing decades of crimes and misdeeds go unpunished, I don’t believe anyone involved in the attempted destruction of Brett Kavenaugh will be punished in any way. The Ruling Class has learned that they can get away with anything. Our AG is asleep at the wheel and the professional associations protect their own. Ambrose Bierce summed up our situation well:

Once Law was sitting on the bench,
And Mercy knelt a-weeping.
“Clear out!” he cried, “disordered wench!
Nor come before me creeping.
Upon your knees if you appear,
‘Tis plain your have no standing here.”

Then Justice came. His Honor cried:
Your status?— devil seize you!”
Amica curiae,” she replied—
“Friend of the court, so please you.”
“Begone!” he shouted— “there’s the door—
I never saw your face before!”

great unknown | October 29, 2018 at 8:58 am

Why in the world would the Feds go after Avenatti? There were probably people in the DOJ working hand-in-hand with him.

The only scenario I can conceive of is if the Dems realize what an albatross he is around their necks and must therefore be removed.

But “justice”? Fuhggedahboutit.

She reminds me of Predator in the cover/top image.

No and the feds won’t try to flip her. For goodness sake does no one remember the last ten years? Everything from the Tea Party IRS scandal to well…last month. Nobody’s going after anybody. The institutions are in on it.

If she’s smart she’ll flip. Then she can get a GoFundMe started and make a million dollars like Ford

Nail both of them … For the simple reason the last act of that whole confirmation insanity the public will have is a couple of perjury convictions … On democrats … Reinforcing their public display of insanity